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61  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Biblepay BBP Community Discussion Thread on: March 31, 2019, 01:28:15 PM
Actually, you don't have to use the Chrome install they have. You can use the other clients. Once our Cure/folding coin accounts are set up, you just fold however you need as long as you are attached to their team. I won't switch teams, so will only receive Curecoin. I also don't give Folding@home much attention as I don't like how it has been ran over the years. They treat their donors like crap.

Neummanium appears dead. I've not received anything from them since probably November 2018. Nothing from the Devs for months in their thread here (well I haven't checked recently anyways). The only way you got rewards from SETI and Einstein is if you bought their hardware. Otherwise, you had to run WCG. I converted mine to WAVES and think it amounted to like 1 Wave token. At least that has real value. https://hardforum.com/threads/earn-neummanium-with-distributed-computing.1971444/

DCC (SPARC) is no longer rewarding for BOINC. So, you have to run their work to get rewarded.

I will have to look into Uplexa.

Are you already getting Electroneum on your phone? https://hardforum.com/threads/how-to-earn-electroneum-on-an-android-device-simulated-mining.1960821/#post-1043637926 That setup guide is a bit old but should be pretty simple still. They changed their mobile miner a bit. Instead of "simulated mining" on your phone, they now do the "simulated mining" on their servers. Basically, now you just check in once a week to "extend mining" and maybe do a selfy. Don't even need the app running the whole time. It isn't a lot but it is "free".
62  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Biblepay BBP Community Discussion Thread on: March 27, 2019, 12:03:17 AM
Yeah...I found that today. The sure aren't making things simple by murking the waters are they? I think what I was using was from bittube.me which I still have an account for. However, that does not use the same login for the bittubeapp. So, I will give this a shot and see how it goes.

Any idea why they have bittube.me and bittubeapp.com still? Different logins. Are they the same people or competing offerings?

Can we at least try to keep the discussion on BiblePay Community?

This is the Chrome extension I'm using: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bittube-airtime-donations/cnogbbmciffpibmkphohpebghmomaemi?hl=en

We're just talking about alternatives especially if we have computers we used for PoDC (defunct Proof of Distributed Computing), but now want to seek new ways to use the computers. PoBH is certainly a possibility, but without anti-botnet features currently, its kind of a moot point. I read they have ABN which they are experimenting with now in 14.0.1 in testnet, so it might be coming. You will need coin age like you did with Proof of Giving (PoG).

I don't know, at this point, I may just stay quiet, hope for a moon, and dump BBP when it is makes financial. I'm seriously sick of Rob's BS.

You can support charity directly without complication and dealing with a paranoid crypto dev.

Thanks Sunk, that is what I'm using now. It certainly works more like it should to be appealing.

I too got tired of the hypocrisy that came from the Dev of this coin. I've seen how he treats everyone, lies and manipulates. The reason investors are leaving are because of him. Not because of the "negativity" that a few forum members bring. People don't trust a Dev that censors the truth and makes up his own version of things. They also don't like it when they are called Satanists just for having a different opinion on technology. What he doesn't understand is that every one of the people he pushed away or out of his thread are indeed investors in some way and he is the one hurting them. He hurts the support he is offered and he hurts any positive word of mouth that the project would normally have.
63  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Biblepay BBP Community Discussion Thread on: March 25, 2019, 11:35:52 PM
Yeah...I found that today. The sure aren't making things simple by murking the waters are they? I think what I was using was from bittube.me which I still have an account for. However, that does not use the same login for the bittubeapp. So, I will give this a shot and see how it goes.

Any idea why they have bittube.me and bittubeapp.com still? Different logins. Are they the same people or competing offerings?
64  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Biblepay BBP Community Discussion Thread on: March 24, 2019, 01:40:01 AM
Yeah...I found that today. The sure aren't making things simple by murking the waters are they? I think what I was using was from bittube.me which I still have an account for. However, that does not use the same login for the bittubeapp. So, I will give this a shot and see how it goes.
65  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Biblepay BBP Community Discussion Thread on: March 23, 2019, 02:30:17 PM
How well does bit.tube work with the search and such? Using the extension for youtube works but it is very tedious to use for earning as you have to do videos one link at a time.

And don't forget to use people's referrals. :p
66  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay | 10% Charity | POW/POBH CPU Mining *novel* | Sanctuaries on: March 21, 2019, 05:20:06 AM
Just a curiosity, would the tithes that we make count as a charitable tax donation like any other donation or offering to a church/non-profit? If so, are there any plans to make a tool that easily lists out all of your tithes for the year in the event that someone wanted to make the write off? I know people can go back through the blockchain looking for these but wondered if there is a way to do a simple printout with the click of a button.
67  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Biblepay BBP Community Discussion Thread on: March 19, 2019, 06:44:47 PM
I thought DCC awards from the SPARC Alpha was over. Now to earn DCC you have to run their work which is outside of BOINC IIRC. Is there another that awards DCC?
68  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Biblepay BBP Community Discussion Thread on: March 15, 2019, 06:34:21 PM
Are you getting OByte now by contributing to WCG?

https://hardforum.com/threads/how-to-earn-byteball-running-wcg-distributed-computing.1959820/#post-1043613449
69  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay | 10% Charity | POW/PODC | CPU/Cancer Mining | Sanctuaries on: March 13, 2019, 12:56:16 PM
My wallet was crashing a couple nights back only on one system. Multiple reinstalls and deleting contents failed. I had to pull a wallet backup from another system just to get the wallet to not crash. Then it wouldn't find peers. I had to copy my peers.dat file from the other system as well. After that, my client was working fine. Since Microsoft pushed out updates last night, both my wallets were down for applying the updates. No idea if they are happy today yet. Will find out after work.
70  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay | 10% Charity | POW/PODC | CPU/Cancer Mining | Sanctuaries on: February 17, 2019, 03:30:46 PM
One of my 2 boxes finished syncing over night and indeed does not crash now. The other box is still 8 days behind.
71  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay | 10% Charity | POW/PODC | CPU/Cancer Mining | Sanctuaries on: February 17, 2019, 03:17:50 AM
I'm not setting up an account with Github to report so either look into or don't. However, tonight I restarted my VM with my wallet running 1.1.8.8. After doing so, it said out of sync and said it was over a year out of sync. Odd but ok. However, the "bug" I'm finding is if I click the link for the POG leaderboards before it is done syncing, it will crashed the wallet. I'm assuming it is because we didn't have PoG back then. I also notice that my "tithes" awards aren't currently showing up as tithes in the list yet. I will report back after it finishes syncing.

Edit: I can also reproduce this on a different system I have as well if I'm resyncing from the beginning.  

Windows 10 Pro x64 with latest updates.
72  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay | 10% Charity | POW/PODC | CPU/Cancer Mining | Sanctuaries on: February 08, 2019, 11:18:57 PM
Maybe Australia or some island have bandwidth usage issue. But it is unlimited where I live. I don't push more than 500gb a month either way for  total monthly usage. And that includes Netflix streaming.. I don't really see the bandwidth argument as a stumbling block.



Just to be clear... even in the USA there are a lot of internet providers going to tiered data limits. Mediacom for example started doing it probably 5 or so years ago. Their entry level cable plan only allows for 400GB of data each month. Just a year or 2 back that was as little as 250GB. My in-laws that only use it to stream netflix and pay bills used to come close to tapping out their 250GB limits. So, if BBP wallet is responsible for 45GB+ each month, it is no laughing matter. That kind of bandwidth could go to running "beermoney" applications and earn more with less power depending on the app and month. I'm hoping that the data isn't really that much but rather factoring in their contribution to DC. Rosetta tends to have work units that require more disk space than a lot of projects. So, if people are contributing to that project currently, they should feel a pinch on the data traffic. I'm curious to see the results people find.
73  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay✟CPU✟Governance✟Help Orphans✟PODC Cancer Mining✟Deflationary✟Masternodes on: November 26, 2018, 05:34:46 PM
I would also just like to point out that based on my experience with the communities, DC'ers tend to be much more up for "giving" than most crypto enthusiasts. If you are pulling PODC because of slow adoption and thinking there is a larger "giving crowd" within the crypto communities, then I think you will find it an even slower adoption. Especially if you aren't able to show the Proof of Profit side of things. The DC community has been pretty well giving away their resources for decades. I don't see many crypto people walking into a project saying "here take my money". Just some food for thought.
74  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay✟CPU✟Governance✟Help Orphans✟PODC Cancer Mining✟Deflationary✟Masternodes on: November 23, 2018, 03:34:19 AM
Congrats to BiblePay on finishing in 4th place. https://www.seti-germany.de/wcg/stats_team_all.php?proj=wcg&lang=en
75  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay✟CPU✟Governance✟Help Orphans✟PODC Cancer Mining✟Deflationary✟Masternodes on: November 22, 2018, 03:59:12 PM
Except you are still confusing people to no end when you start discussing different tiers of rewards for tithing. My first gut jerk reaction is to say "why not just mine and give a percentage straight to the orphans account", but that doesn't solve botnets. Proof-of-giving is still confusing for people. It isn't quite the "dumbing down" that is needed in my opinion.
76  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay✟CPU✟Governance✟Help Orphans✟PODC Cancer Mining✟Deflationary✟Masternodes on: November 22, 2018, 02:48:48 PM
If the goal is to dumb it down for the average person on the street to be able to set up, use, and heaven forbid actually understand, then I think continuing to add gimmicks or "features" like POG is the wrong way to go. POG still throws in confusing complication that absolutely Nobody is going to want to have to go through. You are still going to be limited by a hand full of people willing to jump through the hoops. If you want it simple then you need to take steps back and cut the fat off the coin. Heat mining and staking. Staking is a headache for newcomers as well. It may be "good for the coin". It may be a "good concept". But in reality, it is a royal pain in the butt for newbs to set up and support. Exchanges are probably the biggest hurdle. NOBODY (outside crypto elitists) in their right minds would give their details to a no-name unregulated entity to handle their money. Especially when the average person hasn't a small bit of clue how to use an exchange. The reason Coinbase is so popular is that it runs a legit business with a very dumbed down interface. I work in IT and I wouldn't touch the exchanges that Biblepay has been traded on and I think the coin is terribly difficult for even the casual miners to set up. So, you are right that we need to change direction. We should focus on simplicity to gain adoption. We should appeal to the set and forgetters. The one click setups will support the Grandma's and Grandpa's. If I went into any church and started talking crypto even with a positive spin like supporting orphans, every last eye would glaze over. The average person does NOT understand blockchain or what even a Bitcoin is. So, please for the sake of the project just focus on making it simpler before adding "features".
77  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay✟CPU✟Governance✟Help Orphans✟PODC Cancer Mining✟Deflationary✟Masternodes on: November 21, 2018, 03:43:53 AM
I agree with the comment about opening up an account with Exchanges. I personally don't trust my info going out to them. Especially the smaller unknown ones. Would it be possible to implement a similar service like Byteball did where you can exchange the currency from within the wallet to something like BTC and then have it send it to an address you already have? Byteball's option for that is a much higher fee than sending it to an exchange first, but for the sake of protecting my information, I think it is sometimes worth that fee. I honestly don't know if there would be an easy way of doing the reverse effect. Perhaps worth the consideration?

Edit: Also, BiblePayFaucet.com has been down for a while. Perhaps updating this page https://www.biblepay.org/freebbp/#faucets to reflect that?
78  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay✟CPU✟Governance✟Help Orphans✟PODC Cancer Mining✟Deflationary✟Masternodes on: November 19, 2018, 09:04:34 PM
Byteball pushed this notice in the client

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Dear WCG cruncher,

First of all, thank you for donating your computing power for good! We recently won the THOR challenge because of all of your hard work, you deserve a big compliment for that.

Perhaps partly because of this challenge, we have recently observed some users who have connected a very large number of devices. While awesome for WCG this does defeat part of the purpose of why we’re giving away Bytes through this initiative. We want to introduce as many people as possible to Byteball, not distribute a large part of the undistributed funds to professional computing power aggregators.

To balance it out a little bit we are going to introduce diminishing returns to the reward schedule. Starting Nov 20, anyone who has more than 40 devices connected will see a drop off in Bytes rewarded for the devices above 40. You’ll still get rewarded full WCG points for all devices.

Thanks for your understanding and continuous support of this initiative. Together we have donated more than 2000 years of computing time!

Happy crunching

The Byteball Team

So, be careful running virtual machines, multi-client setups (especially this), or having a ton of Android devices (like I have).
79  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay✟CPU✟Governance✟Help Orphans✟PODC Cancer Mining✟Deflationary✟Masternodes on: November 16, 2018, 08:12:24 PM
If it isn't the pending work, then it is possible that the large amounts of people focusing on the WCG Birthday Challenge may be a case where the credits are adjusting based on other hardware being brought online. WCG uses a form of the Credit New credit system with a few modification the last I knew. Which means over time the points will adjust based on everyone else.

Interesting, are you saying the overall rewards could go down based on the earnings of the "crowd"? 



That is what I'm implying yes.

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How are points calculated?
Points are calculated in a two-step process which attempts to give a consistent number of points for similar amounts of research computation. First, the computational power/speed of the computer is determined by periodically running a benchmark calculation. Then, based on the central processing unit (CPU) time spent computing the research result for a work unit, the benchmark result is used to convert the time spent on a work unit into points. This adjusts the point value so that a slow computer or a fast computer would produce about the same number of points for calculating the research result for the same work unit. This value is the number of point credits "claimed" by the client. More information about that formula is available here.

Second, research results returned to the servers are validated in a manner which depends on the research project. Then the claimed points for valid results are examined for anomalous (excessively high or low compared to other machines computing the same or equivalent work unit) values and adjusted accordingly. The servers assign the resulting adjusted point values to the member (and team) for each of the returned work units. This process eliminates the ability for malicious users to tamper with results and artificially claim higher points for their work.

The system tries to average things out on its own but it isn't quick. People have dabbled with the system and have had varying results. I do not have the posts linked. However, new hosts added will sometimes score better than long term hosts. But over time it levels out. This may be what people are seeing. It may be something else. A lot of details are unknown.
80  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay✟CPU✟Governance✟Help Orphans✟PODC Cancer Mining✟Deflationary✟Masternodes on: November 16, 2018, 06:49:18 PM
Are/have you been running MCM exclusively? And have you seen a slow down in the validation of work units? MCM require what is referred to as a wingman to validate the work units. Leading up to challenges, you will see numerous people deploying a tactic called bunkering where they load up their machines with a ton of work and then sit on the finished results waiting for the event to start so that they can dump all of the extra results during the challenge time frame. So, it is very possible a lot of your work was getting validated at a later time. Another possibility is that the points for work shifts slightly over time as part of the credit system used. You will find that for one person one type of work unit may pay better than for another person. The next day another work unit type may pay slightly better. In the end they kind of evens out.

not exclisively, there are few other tasks like:
11791 boinc     39  19   77004  36764   2372 R 106.2  0.0  14:28.92 wcgrid_mcm1_map
12779 boinc     39  19   77004  36676   2312 R 106.2  0.0   3:29.29 wcgrid_mcm1_map
  415 boinc     39  19   77136  36916   2320 R 100.0  0.0 139:33.93 wcgrid_mcm1_map
 1283 boinc     39  19   77136  36956   2380 R 100.0  0.0 130:30.20 wcgrid_mcm1_map
 1514 boinc     39  19   77136  36880   2320 R 100.0  0.0 128:17.18 wcgrid_mcm1_map
 1522 boinc     39  19   77136  36952   2380 R 100.0  0.0 128:08.43 wcgrid_mcm1_map
 3015 boinc     39  19   77136  36856   2320 R 100.0  0.0 111:57.51 wcgrid_mcm1_map
 3701 boinc     39  19   77136  36924   2380 R 100.0  0.0 104:22.62 wcgrid_mcm1_map
 4085 boinc     39  19   77140  36908   2380 R 100.0  0.0 100:06.13 wcgrid_mcm1_map
 4822 boinc     39  19   77140  36904   2380 R 100.0  0.0  91:31.32 wcgrid_mcm1_map
 5533 boinc     39  19   77136  36892   2380 R 100.0  0.0  83:47.70 wcgrid_mcm1_map
 6267 boinc     39  19   77136  36880   2380 R 100.0  0.0  75:32.74 wcgrid_mcm1_map
10016 boinc     39  19   77004  36744   2320 R 100.0  0.0  34:08.22 wcgrid_mcm1_map
11130 boinc     39  19   77004  36764   2320 R 100.0  0.0  21:42.24 wcgrid_mcm1_map
12005 boinc     39  19   77004  36700   2312 R 100.0  0.0  12:06.78 wcgrid_mcm1_map
23870 boinc     39  19  337244 272312  48300 R 100.0  0.2 238:54.78 wcgrid_mip1_ros
23879 boinc     39  19  437288 362752  54036 R 100.0  0.3 238:55.29 wcgrid_mip1_ros
25413 boinc     39  19  407968 333420  53936 R 100.0  0.3 222:01.77 wcgrid_mip1_ros
25990 boinc     39  19   77268  37024   2380 R 100.0  0.0 215:37.21 wcgrid_mcm1_map
26771 boinc     39  19   77268  37016   2380 R 100.0  0.0 206:55.13 wcgrid_mcm1_map
26909 boinc     39  19   77272  37032   2380 R 100.0  0.0 205:26.09 wcgrid_mcm1_map
27058 boinc     39  19   77268  36968   2320 R 100.0  0.0 203:46.33 wcgrid_mcm1_map
28532 boinc     39  19   77136  37008   2380 R 100.0  0.0 187:26.61 wcgrid_mcm1_map
28944 boinc     39  19   77136  36992   2380 R 100.0  0.0 182:51.89 wcgrid_mcm1_map
30477 boinc     39  19   77140  36992   2380 R 100.0  0.0 165:53.40 wcgrid_mcm1_map
31516 boinc     39  19   77136  36972   2380 R 100.0  0.0 154:22.63 wcgrid_mcm1_map
31525 boinc     39  19   77136  36972   2380 R 100.0  0.0 154:17.46 wcgrid_mcm1_map
31554 boinc     39  19   77136  36976   2380 R 100.0  0.0 154:01.24 wcgrid_mcm1_map
31640 boinc     39  19   77136  36968   2380 R 100.0  0.0 153:03.18 wcgrid_mcm1_map
32117 boinc     39  19   77136  36968   2380 R 100.0  0.0 147:42.83 wcgrid_mcm1_map
 1043 boinc     39  19   77136  36880   2320 R  93.8  0.0 133:00.77 wcgrid_mcm1_map
 2198 boinc     39  19   77136  36928   2380 R  93.8  0.0 120:52.40 wcgrid_mcm1_map

but i was not using bunkering and i have big tasks queue, about 1000 tasks/machine so i'm not suffering from not having tasks
we will see during next days



Just to be clear, I'm not implying that you are having trouble getting tasks. I'm saying the MCM tasks that you complete require a second person to also complete that work unit to verify it. No points are awarded until the work unit is returned AND verified. So, if someone else is bunkering, they may not return their work until their 10 day deadline approaches. Thus you may not have credit for your completed work units until they return theirs. IF they didn't complete on time, then someone else will be sent work units (typically a 4 day deadline) and then you have to wait for them to complete it and return it. So, in some instances you may have to wait up to 2 weeks or more to get the credit. When someone bunkers thousands of work units all at once, there is a possibility that several of your work units are not verified until they turn theirs in. That is why I was asking. If you look at each work unit on the WCG website, you can sort your work units by what is pending verification and pending validation (different scenarios). If your pendings have grown, it is probably from bunkering this large challenge.

If it isn't the pending work, then it is possible that the large amounts of people focusing on the WCG Birthday Challenge may be a case where the credits are adjusting based on other hardware being brought online. WCG uses a form of the Credit New credit system with a few modification the last I knew. Which means over time the points will adjust based on everyone else.
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