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1481  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: BTC Buy - mobile phone site on: March 18, 2013, 04:24:15 AM
Are you seriously going to be pasting PGP key from your mobile phone,

Or if you too a GPG fingerprint I'ld do that instead.   But now that you offer GPG encryption, that's how I prefer to receive my mobile wireless refill code.  And sometimes I will be placing that order from my mobile.   I might not redeem (after decrypting the message) from my mobile, but I'll likely be placing the order using it.
1482  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Buying 100-200 Bitcoins from Europe on: March 18, 2013, 04:18:03 AM
I am considering a buy of 100-200 BTCs from Denmark. How do I minimize my transaction fees in this purchase? I have previously used Mt. Gox. but I was wondering if other ways were cheaper.

In denmark you can do a domestic DKK transfer through Bitcoin Nordic:
 - sells bitcoins and accepts DKK:

There might be other methods that work for you.  For instance, if you can send SEPA (EUR), then BITSTAMP is one of a half dozen exchanges that you can send SEPA payments to:

You could even try CurrencyFair where you transfer DKK by bank to them, then convert there to different funds and wire from there.  That's another method to go from DKK to EUR to send to BITSTAMP:

1483  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: ICBIT Derivatives Market (USD/BTC futures trading) - LIVE on: March 18, 2013, 03:47:13 AM
The contract was settled at 20:01 UTC, just like the contract says.

I didn't have any BUH3 myself so I don't have a log entry.   At a minimum it settled before 20:29 UTC when the Tweet was sent.  And before 20:39 UTC which is the timestamp when Fireball's forum was posted here.

I did personally see open buys and sells for it right up before 20:00.

So I don't know how externally one could verify the exact millisecond the settlement numbers were reported.  The settlement price though is as-of exactly 20:00 UTC.   There is evidence that this settlement price was obtained between 20:00 UTC (when trading for it was no longer possible) and 20:29 UTC (the time of the tweet), and other traders have reported this timestamp in their logs:

I did and here's the log entry:

2013-03-15 20:00:01   332   Variation margin, last = 47.0764

as well as mutliple traders confirming that at the time of settlement (or minutes after) the 24 hour VWAP price from Mt. Gox was at that 47.0764 level, including:

I can also confirm that I looked at MtGox at the time of settlement, and the price was correct at least to four digits (two decimals after the point).  

[Edit:  OK, maybe I'm overlooking something basic and am missing your point entirely.  Are you instead asking for the link that shows when settlement happens?

Trading sessions
Clearing happens at 20:00 GMT, clearing duration is flexible.
-  ]
1484  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Anonymity vs Trust on: March 18, 2013, 03:14:45 AM
I keep trying to mull this over in my head. The internet thrives on anonymity, and in general, everyone hates filling out their information, especially if they don't know where it's going. I think this lends to the 'try it and see' part of BTC. But in terms of giving/trading with coins, the anonymity has everyone on edge. Sure you have an account here and an account there and reputation gets built on each of these forums separately. But how would one know, say, that when you're dealing with someone who wants you to go first, say, that just because they have a good rep on webby A, they might not on webby B? And what sort of recourse is there? The apparent lack of recourse is what has me wary.

A pattern that repeats is for a person to build up trust and then once enough trust has been reached use that to scam and then abandon that profile.  Anonymity makes that cheap and easy to do.

Even knowing the person's real-life identity isn't protection -- as we know from pirateat40's ponzi scam.

The Bitcoin-OTC Web of Trust (WoT) is also vulnerable to that however it can be longer in duration and can span communities.

When dealing with non-reversible forms of payment, essentially there are no guarantees and limited recourse.  That's the nature of these instruments.

Some effort can be made to make it clear your counterparty is not in it to cut and run.  Here's an article that explains how this is nothing new:

And here are some resources:
1485  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Three months old un-confirmed transaction on: March 18, 2013, 02:55:21 AM
How is that possible?

You are probably describing how in your Bitcoin-Qt client is a spend transaction that still shows 0/unconfirmed.

If so, then what most likely is the situation is that the transaction uses funds that you had received and spent.   The stock Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind client doesn't let you spend any funds until they have at least one confirmation.   So what can happen is that payment you received showed a confirmation, you spent it, and then it reverted back to having no confirmations.

Looking at it now then, your client has an invalid transaction -- it wants to spend funds that you never really had and don't have today.  You have a transaction that is no longer valid.  Worse, if your transaction also attempted to spend any other funds which were valid, it will reserve those for this transaction which will never confirm.

The Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind client doesn't handle these outgoing double spends nicely.    In fact, unless you are technical they become quite a pain.

The easiest resolution for some is to import their wallet into another client that can handle this scenario better, or to export your private keys from your Bitcon-Qt, create a new, empty wallet and import the private keys so that you end up with exactly what you just had, less the offending transaction.

The easiest way for some is to import the wallet.dat to a new and spend the funds from there.

Otherwise, the Bitcoin-Qt client has a Debug console in which you can export your private keys.  The:
command will give you all the addresses in your wallet, and from there you can do a:
 dumpprivkey [BitcoinAddress]
on  each address. 

Then if you are creating a new wallet, then to import the keys:
 importprivkey [PrivateKey]

For more info on importing:
1486  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: MtGox generation of USD redeemable codes will stop at 10 Apr 2013 on: March 17, 2013, 10:20:34 PM
<MagicalTux> as US customer, it will not be possible to have a balance in anything else than BTC/USD/CAD

That's interesting. So how do they know who's a US customer? ID scans for all an sundry? IP geolocation? Simply trusting their customers to be honest?

 - Received Dwolla?  Ding.  U.S.
 - Submitted ID and it says U.S?   Ding.  U.S.  (or submitted Canadian,  CAN)
 - Access via U.S. or Canadian IP address?    Ding.  U.S. or Canada.

It's 80% of Mt. Gox's customer base (not sure if that is by number or by value of accounts).

1487  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Electrum why backup wallet? on: March 17, 2013, 09:31:31 PM
I don't need to restore my wallet from a backup, right?

If you ever import private keys, those won't be able to be recreated from the seeds.
1488  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Hashrate jump, Who can it be ? +60% to 53 Ths on: March 17, 2013, 09:03:11 PM
3 day average say we've gained 11TH+ in the last 3 days

Fast forward 12 months:  Do you remember when we thought a 11 Thash/s spike was something notable?
1489  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: ICBIT Derivatives Market (USD/BTC futures trading) - LIVE on: March 17, 2013, 06:02:23 PM
Clearly you can't determine the settlement price when there are 4 hours left in the settlement day.

A (24 hour) volume weighted adjusted price is just that -- the VWAP for the trailing (24-hour) period.  It can be any 24 hour period of time.  The contract doesn't say 00:00 to 23:59 UTC of settlement day, it says the "volume weighted average price", and the settlement occurs at 20:00 UTC.   So the 24 hour WAP goes from 20:00 on the day prior settlement day through 19:59 of settlement day.   [Update: Since the contract doesn't actually say "24 hour", it could be ambiguous as to which VWAP was intended ...  24 hour, monthly, or what?  Previous BTC/USD contracts were using the 24 hour VWAP.]

Now I suppose a script can be run to check the numbers, but settlement happens in real-time.  There's no ability to go pull the raw trade data to come up with the WAP in real-time.   If that computation is done later and comes up with a different number, then it needs to be analyzed why that is.

I can see the potential for a problem though.  If Mt. Gox exchange were to misreport the weighted average, possibly from a staff member trying to manipulate the ICBIT settlement price, then it would be hard to prove what value was showing.   I can see the need to have a separate computation performed later against the raw trade data for verification purposes.
1490  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: ICBIT Derivatives Market (USD/BTC futures trading) - LIVE on: March 17, 2013, 05:46:39 PM
I find the use of 8pm surprising as the contract says it's the average for the settlement day.

The contract was settled at 20:01 UTC, just like the contract says.

PM means after 12:00.  08:00 hours + 12:00 hours = 20:00 hours.  

The forum post time is 08:39 pm UTC, which is the same as 20:39 pm UTC.    He posted the forum post 39 minutes after settlement occurred.
1491  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [LIST] btc to silver/gold exchange sites on: March 17, 2013, 04:49:05 PM
If there is already a list like this, let me know : P

1492  Local / India / Re: Forum Moderator on: March 17, 2013, 04:17:24 PM
He has requested me to post this and request India forum members for their opinion if everyone is alright with me as the moderator.

Several interactions with Benson.  Pleasant experience on all.

1493  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How can I prove that a bitcoin transfer was made? on: March 17, 2013, 03:57:01 PM
Can I prove that I made a bitcoin transfer to a particular address? Say, for example in case of a legal dispute. I am asking for something more substantial than a screenshot of my wallet. I understand that all transactions somehow ar stored on the network?

Then the question is, how can you prove to the person you paid that the address was one that they gave you to pay?

And the answer to that:

We need a payment protocol with non-repudiation built in.

See for a multisig version (the singlesig version is simpler, but the merchant <-> customer communication will be the same).

And a variation of which is being developed now.  The Development mailing list has a thread on the topic.
1494  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin & download speeds on: March 17, 2013, 03:52:08 PM
How does Bitcoin ever expect to be useful in the mainstream if every time people with slow internet open their wallet, it takes hours and hours to update.

If you are using v0.8, the initial download is about a day or less -- and much less if you have decent hardware and bandwidth.

If you are using v0.7, stop (or stop, if you don't have decent hardware, bandwidth and patience.)

If you are using really old hardware, consider MultiBit, which is an SPV client -- it only downloads block headers and unspent transactions for addresses in the wallet.
1495  Bitcoin / Technical Support / Re: blockchain WTF please please help me understand this on: March 17, 2013, 03:44:50 PM
Even though the total btc in top right hand corner says 3.85 btc it still says everytime (insufficient funds, available balance 0.022774 or there abouts as if the 3.6 btc

Yup, was reporting wrong values.

Here's more info:

Balances bug fixed. All calls to /unspent /multiaddr /address should now be much faster, means faster transaction creation and API calls.

Give it another try and report back.
1496  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin In Israel on: March 17, 2013, 03:09:25 PM
Take a look at to see if you can find anything,

The URL for that:

There's Meni's:

There's also:
 -  <---   Fairly new, perform due diligence, use and escrow maybe?

You can also pay cash to buy either a CashU card or a UKash card, and use that instrument to buy bitcoins through Bitcoin Nordic (either), VirWoX (UKash) or (UKash).

For larger amounts, of course, an International bank transfer to an exchange works.

The more comprehensive list of exchanges:
1497  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitinstant BTC-E on: March 17, 2013, 02:33:25 PM
Does any1 know what happend to bitinstant? There is no more possibility to fund BTC-E

The BitInstant support thread is here:

Official BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support)

That question has been raised, but not answered as far as I can tell:

why cant we deposit to btc-e anymore
1498  Bitcoin / Technical Support / Re: Did wallet.dat files change over time? on: March 17, 2013, 02:28:25 PM
Could it be that the wallet.dat file change over time so that the current client is unable to read it?

The newer clients (v0.7 and higher) are less ignorant of bad data in the wallet.dat.     Are you getting a message unable to open wallet.dat?

You could try joric's pywallet and see if it can get more out of it than Bitcoin-Qt can.
1499  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Unconfirmed Transaction | Installed Python/Pywallet... need help on: March 17, 2013, 02:23:03 PM
Please elaborate...

How to export keys from the Debug console?

Or how to get to the debug console?    The Debug Console option is in the pull-down menu, like Help -> Debug Console maybe?  (I'm not using a machine with Bitcoin-Qt installed at the moment and I can't remember exactly which pull-down.)

The command to get a list of all addresses in your wallet:

Then to get the private key for each:
  dumpprivkey [address]

Then to import the private key for each:
  importprivkey [private key]

You can copy and paste from the Debug Console into an editor, and then create the commands to somewhat automate it.

Here's more on importing:
1500  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Cryptocurrency Strategy on: March 17, 2013, 02:14:13 PM
Actually, I was having a conversation with a friend and the idea that banks might create their own crypto currency.

Sure.   Call it e-gold.   Sell the snot out of it!   Great idea!   Someone should do it!

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