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2161  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is there any client-side program of bitcoin exchange transaction? on: February 03, 2013, 02:57:25 AM
I'm not sure what you are asking.  Can you explain?
I mean a program which I can download from somewhere and installed it on my computer, then I can see from it everything related with buying and selling of bitcoins anytime on the Mt.Gox, for example...

Here's something maybe like what you are looking for.

New MtGox trading client for Windows available - BTC-Trader at

Of course, giving any piece of software access to your trading account or wallet is a risk to consider.
2162  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is there any client-side program of bitcoin exchange transaction? on: February 03, 2013, 02:50:56 AM
Hi, everybody, what I want to know is that if there is any client-side program of bitcoin exchange transaction, just like those of the stocks?

Is this the forum equivalent of this reddit post?

Live trading platforms that use Bitcoin?
2163  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: multiple transactions in a block on: February 03, 2013, 01:51:23 AM
Am I right in thinking that a bitcoin can only be used ONCE per block ?


Both the parent and child transactions can be included in the same block.  I'm using the term "child" to refer to one which uses an output of a "parent" transaction which also has not yet been included in any prior block.

If I remember correctly, the client will arrange transactions in the block so that parent's transaction occurs first and child transaction(s) occur later in the block.   I am unsure if a block that has the order reversed would have any problem getting accepted by other nodes if that isn't the case.
2164  Economy / Economics / Re: Capital Gains & Other Income on: February 03, 2013, 01:17:34 AM
So how should I deal with taxes if I did buy them on an exchange and the spent them after they gained value?

[In the U.S] currency gains of $200 or less that arise from personal transactions (not for investment or business) are not taxable.  Any currency gains in excess of $200 per transaction (per trip or per purchase) are treated as a capital gain.

Bitcoin isn't recognized as a foreign currency so there might be many arguments about how it would be treated for tax purposes, with varying methods based on tax jurisdiction.

Here's more info:

Staying Between the Lines: A Survey of U.S. Income Taxation and its Ramifications on Cryptocurrencies
2165  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Constantly paranoid on: February 02, 2013, 09:48:06 AM
How can I create paper wallets when offline? I tried to access the site, but it won't load, because I'm not connected to the interenet

The .html from BitAddress contains all the javascript, images, css, etc., so all you need to do is View Source -> Save As (or whatever method your browser uses to save a copy of the .html to disk) and store it to a flash drive. 

Then when you boot to an offline LIveOS, just open the .html from the flash drive. 

If you are using a Linux-based LiveOS, you can probably do a sha1sum and it should be identical to the sha1sum the latest (to verify that the version on the thumb drive matches the one served by BitAddress):
2166  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coinbase not paying??? on: February 02, 2013, 06:58:20 AM
Do you guys know any other solid exchanges that promise a date and follow through with it.

From another thread:

Pick one.

Oftentimes Dwolla works well for moving funds to the exchanges (Camp BX and Mt. Gox).    A Dwolla transfer from a bank takes several business days, but then to the exchange is for the most part same day.

Sounds like you are trying to provide exchange services without sufficient operating capital (cash).  Other fixed-rate exchanges that have made it through that sucky phase have done so after raising capital so that a couple day delay in moving funds doesn't put them out of business.  They still have periods where they can't serve the entire demand, but it isn't a regular occurrance (nor nearly-fatal to them as a business when it does occur).
2167  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Create a new wallet by importing an existing wallet file on: February 02, 2013, 06:34:42 AM
Any ideas?   Huh Huh Huh

Maybe it is timing out, or perhaps it is encrypted and the import utility can't accommodate wallets that have passphrase encryption enabled.

You might instead look at trying the Desktop Sync method for, where it grabs the keys from the wallet from your running Bitcoin-Qt.

Or you could export the keys from Bitcoin-Qt (right from the Debug window) and import those into
2168  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will there ever be a service that basically is a direct deposit for Bitcoins? on: February 02, 2013, 06:30:05 AM
In the future will we see people who sign up to some service... and they send their payroll paychecks to it.. they get immediately exchanged into bitcoins?

A paycheck sent via Direct Deposit is, in the U.S., using the ACH network.  Oftentimes, an employer or payment distribution service will require that the recipient account must be in the employee's name.      So this bitcoin conversion service would need to provide and individual account number for each customer so the account could be in that person's own name.   That isn't all that difficult but the demand today is probably too low to warrant developing such a service to do that.   Additionally, though paychecks from employers are rarely reversed, that doesn't mean they are non-reversible.  So this service would need to charge a fee sufficient to accommodate fraudulent transactions where it delivered bitcoins and at a later time the funds are clawed back for whatever reason (e.g., fraud where it really wasn't a corporate payroll but someone getting a direct deposit sent through fraudulent means.)

Until that day comes that a service like this exists, a service such as Coinbase (in the U.S.) can draw funds from a bank account using the direct deposit/ACH network.   It takes a few days for the coins to be delivered but it is a way that proceeds from a paycheck can be used to buy bitcoins without having to visit a bank or ATM.    

A bank account might not even be needed.  Some prepaid card providers (e.g., Western Union prepaid card and American Express prepaid cards) provide an unique account number and allow Direct Deposit/ACH debits (for loading) and credits (for drawing form the balance).   AMEX BlueBird and Green Dot Go Bank also might have this service, if I remember correctly.  So presumably you can use the card for direct deposit of pay and then have Coinbase draw from the card just as if it were a bank checking account.
2169  Economy / Services / Re: Nice, now accepting bitcoin... on: February 02, 2013, 05:39:16 AM
Getting closer here I think.

Real close.

So the encrypted paper wallet(s) go to family members.  DeadMansSwitch gets the decryption key, as does the trustee.  From another thread:

I changed the colour to blue for encrypted paper wallets to provide distinction between encrypted/unencrypted paper wallets - a version in the original yellow is included in case you really like yellow, just delete 'note_encrypted.png' and rename 'note_yellow.png' in its place.

This solution (encrypted paper wallets) robably isn't ready for prime time, but give it a few weeks and that will probably become a very good method for offline / long term savings that is secure.
2170  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coinbase not paying??? on: February 02, 2013, 05:10:28 AM
I sold about 3 bitcoins Jan 24th and was told I was going to receive BTC on Jan 29th.

Were you using the Instant account verification or had you previously done the Deposit verification method to link a bank account?

Dont get me wrong Ive liked Coinbase up to this point...and Im extremely disappointed.

You've successfully purchased through them before?]
2171  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: San Francisco Bitcoin Talks + Social (Oct. 2, 2012) on: February 02, 2013, 03:38:48 AM

on the evening of Thursday, February 7 at the HUB San Francisco for Disruption Ahead! Banking, Technology, and Low-Income Consumers

you will have the opportunity to "test drive" several promising technologies, including KivaZip, IndiGoGo, Lendup, Bernal Bucks, Ripple, and GivKwik


7-10pm, February 7, 2013
the HUB San Francisco
925 Mission
San Francisco, CA 94103

The reception is free but space is extremely limited. Register now if you plan to attend. 
2172  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Hello - New here and Im looking for some coins :) Paypal on: February 02, 2013, 03:05:35 AM
I allready mention it, at this time Paypal ist only solution for me.

You can use PayPal to purchase Second Life Lindens (SLLs) at VirWoX.  Then you can trade those SLLs for BTCs on their exchange.
2173  Economy / Economics / Re: Losing coins forever on: February 02, 2013, 02:26:52 AM
Implicitly, this increases the value of all the others because now there are BTC that can never be spent

You must see that as being a problem.  Please explain.
2174  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What items, not readily available, would you like to see offered for Bitcoin? on: February 01, 2013, 11:30:34 PM
Rent and Utilities....  but we're a long way off for that  Cry

Spend Bitcoins acts as an intermediary with an Australian bill payment network allowing certain utilities to be paid using bitcoins.
2175  Economy / Economics / Re: Capital Gains & Other Income on: February 01, 2013, 11:20:02 PM
But the fact remains there are some who can and will do it.  The rich are always looking for tax loopholes.


A tax loophole is a legal method of paying less taxes by eploitating tax law.  This is usually because some "loophole" was either specifically written into the law to cause some behavior or was somehow overlooked, allowing the filer to pay a lower amount of taxes than others who aren't eligible to use the loophole or omit to do so.

Not reporting capital gains is not a "loophole".

What makes you think only the rich consider tax implications when making decisions?
2176  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: First international online pharmacy accepting Bitcoin! on: February 01, 2013, 10:34:19 PM
are there any lists or directories of all types of online merchants who accept btc?

BitPay only publishes a tiny sample (i.e., dozens) of the two thousand plus merchants it serves.

The Trade page on is probably the most complete:
 - has bricks and mortar businesses:

2177  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Beware off OTC. on: February 01, 2013, 09:43:51 PM
Problems with OTC to be aware off.

The #bitcoin-otc is worthless without the #bitcoin-otc Web of Trust (WoT).

Summary statistics on web of trust

3364 users in database
18078 positive ratings sent
1175 negative ratings sent

So negative ratings reflect 6.1% of all ratings.   These don't reflect dollar amounts.  When people are smart and only do trades of higher amounts with trusted counterparties, the ratio of actual losses through #bitcoin-otc should be much less than that number -- perhaps 2% overall, or even less for those who are more risk averse.

Compare that to commercially available exchange methods where PayPal, Dwolla, Moneybookers, MoneyPak, Amazon, etc are instruments used and you'll find they charge much more than 2%.

The difference with -otc is if your 50th trade (assuming of all equal amounts) is the first one you get screwed on then you are at the 2% loss rate.  If it instead happens with your first trade then you are at a 100% loss.

But when you use -otc with the Web of Trust (WoT) and are smart, you'll likely complete trades and not suffer losses.  

Other info:
2178  Economy / Gambling / Re: [BITLOTTO] Jan draw over! Next draw Feb 1! on: February 01, 2013, 04:17:00 AM
it seems to have an invalid Bitcoin address that can't be sent to:

Doh!  Copy pasta problem it appears.  From the "Valid" addresses (signed by GPG) there is no trailing "R":

2179  Other / Meta / Re: Upcoming downtime on: February 01, 2013, 03:59:49 AM
there might be a long period of downtime while I get it working.

Is this now completed, or will there be further adjustments [edit: affecting site availability] made?
2180  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcion rebilling? on: January 31, 2013, 11:55:29 PM
people who will not be able to signed up for re billing.  Is there any way around this concern currently?

Subscription payments are used with pull-based payment methods (e.g., ACH, credit card, etc.)   At the protocol level Bitcoin is a push-based payment technology.

There are no payment processors yet today that support subscription billing.  Eventually some provider will provide this.  It will probably involve the subscriber having to keep funds in a wallet with the payment processor in which the processor draws from at the subscription renewal time.
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