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381  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if dev-team is compromised? on: September 03, 2013, 06:01:30 PM
Probably fork right, but what fork?

Well, let's take the unintentional change to the Bitcoin protocol that happened with the Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind v0.8 release.

It caused a hard fork.

It took less than an hour for a sufficient amount of hashing capacity to conclude that coins mined using v0.8 blocks would become worthless and thus abandon it to go back to the protocol as it exists in v0.7 and prior (or use a v0.8 patch that fixed the incompatability).

That's because the economic majority favored the v0.7 side.  


And that's for a change that introduced that unwanted behavior had slipped through undiscovered.  An intentional change to alter the protocol would likely not go unnoticed as there are many eyes on every change to the source that is released:
382  Bitcoin / Technical Support / Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back? on: September 03, 2013, 07:17:46 AM
Bitcoin payments are irreversible, just hope that satoshi read this and send your coin back to you

Sending a large chunk there and claiming it was an accident would be a nice attempt to see if Satoshi is monitoring this forum!
383  Economy / Economics / Re: $-100,000 a day could some one explain how this runs on: September 02, 2013, 02:51:56 AM
There will always be seigniorage in the bitcoin world as the transaction fees will support the miners

But that isn't seigniorage.   That's simply fees paying the freight.
384  Economy / Speculation / Re: How to explain google trends vs BTC/USD ratio? on: September 01, 2013, 09:48:15 PM
How could we explain this spread between btc price and google trends.

The first time I learned about the word twerking I did what many others did and googled it.  

I've heard the word twerking hundreds of times since and occasionally have seen it occur but I've not once done a search on it in ever since.

So even though there is (presumably) more twerking occuring today than there was yesterday, the frequency of Google searching for twerking is down today versus yesterday.

So similarly, for Bitcoin, Google trends will spike when there is an influx of those who are becoming aware of bitcoin for the first time, but Google trends can drop even though the actual subject of the term is seeing an increase in activity.

But because financial speculation discussion (due to a rising exchange rate) is the primary reason people are learning of the term "bitcoin", the google trends will lag, not lead, the exchange rate.  Thus Google searching for the term bitcoin can drop significantly without the exchange rate falling as well.
385  Bitcoin / Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin QT Asking For Passphrase to Receive BTC on: August 31, 2013, 07:16:40 PM
I only thought "passphrase" was needed to send not receive BTC.

The logic for that is that you don't want a key added to your wallet without your explicit permission.
386  Economy / Economics / Re: Investment on: August 31, 2013, 05:25:16 PM
startıng a dıscussıon about general ınvestment.

Nope, you are starting a discussion about speculation.

ı can say for sure the prıce of sılver ıs goıng to double perhaps even trıple ın the next 12 months.

Ooohhh, me next!

I can say for sure the exchange rate for Bitcoin is going to double perhaps even triple in the next 12 months.

Of course, I can't really say that as I have no idea which way the Bitcoin exchange rate will head.  Just as you have no idea for silver.

What we do agree on is that fiat is going to be the loser over the long run.  It always has.

As far as bullion, what I would like to see is something like the DYM issue on Ripple become commonplace:
387  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Can I make direct transaction? on: August 31, 2013, 02:50:30 AM
I think I can make direct transfer, but I want to be sure.

Technically it will work.

The main problem in keeping your funds with a hosted (shared) E-Wallet (like how most pool accounts and exchange accounts operate as) is that when you request a withdraw, you are at that service's mercy.   If they have an empty hot wallet and need to transfer more funds from their cold wallet, you have no options other than to wait.

Instead, if you have the funds in your own wallet -- your transaction goes out immediately.

Additionally, let's say you were withdrawing to an address someone else gave you.  If that other person happens to use the same E-Wallet service, then that transaction may not get broadcast to the network (i.e., is handled internally within the wallet as an account-to-account transfer).   So you wouldn't have the blockchain as proof that you had sent payment.

So generally, you don't want to get in the habit of using your pool's withdraw feature as the method for sending bitcoins to other people.
388  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Foundation Board Election Details Announced on: August 29, 2013, 02:17:53 AM
Edit: Updated list. This should be the final candidate list.

There are three more names for the individual seat:

Individual Candidate: Joerg Platzer 
Individual Candidate: Ryan Deming 
Individual Candidate: Pedro Fernandes 

389  Economy / Economics / Re: Billionaires hate Bitcoin. on: August 28, 2013, 09:10:54 PM
That's probably the closest thing Bill Gates has said (to-date) that can be deemed as being in favor of Bitcoin [Edit: digital currency]:

Someone who’s interested in finance can help drive innovations such as digital currency that reduce transaction costs so that poor people can borrow at five percent a year instead of 15 percent.

[Update: He could be among those who consider any electronic transaction to be a "digital currency" transaction, it isn't evident from this.]
390  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading with Bitcoin on: August 28, 2013, 06:01:30 PM
It would sure be nice to have oil (WTI/Brent) as a tradeable product on one of these brokers...

ICBit had it at one time.

There were few contracts traded so after expiration no new contract issue was offered.   The spread was regularly pretty wide but due to volatility there were times when using that contract as a hedge against crude was affordable.
391  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: IDEA: MediaWallet on: August 28, 2013, 04:00:26 PM
As long as Bitcoin distinguishes itself by allowing 2fa or some other wallet control, then it makes an ideal wallet for subscription based content.

There is some 2FA approach for use with P2SH as Gavin describes:, but that's is likely way overkill to make it work with a micropayments subscription type of of application.   

Coinbase's subscriptions service probably could provide greater ease-of-use, and since it is already offered today by Coinbase that could be implemented more easily.   But the problem with Coinbase's subscriptions is that the customer is pre-authorizing the "merchant" to withdraw.  With the Open MediaWallet concept as I understand it, the content creators would each be merchants and thus that Coinbase subscription model doesn't work.  If there was a single Coinbase account for all MediaWallet content creators, about the only protection from abuse (e.g., payment drawn without approval by a scammer acting as content creator) comes from the amount being limited (i.e., $X per-week limit).

Rather than subscriptions, the micropayments channel (which  BitcoinJ has now implemented) would be a better fit:
392  Economy / Speculation / Re: Lets talk BTC price over the next few months (downward move imminent?) on: August 26, 2013, 08:39:41 PM
Why do so many people assume miners HAVE to sell bitcoins right away to "pay bills"?

Why not assume the have other resources and can horde?

That's likely due to the situation when mining was for GPUs and the Bitcoin revenues dropped to where they barely matched the increase in the electricity bill.    There was a high level of whinging (e.g., October and November 2011) by those who felt they "got suckered" into buying hardware (which is kind of true, since much press from May, June and July 2011 touted how miners were making huge bank.  These were not crypto-currency enthusiasts, they were techies who saw their friends getting "free hardware" and they jumped in -- oftentimes maxing out the credit card to do so.   So many of them truly were selling most every coin they mined and used the proceeds for paying off the purchase of the hardware and for the electric bill.  So then, of course, when difficulty rose it took more and more bitcoins, which collectively pushed the exchange rate lower ... incenting further spending, and spiraling on and on further down it went.

The miners who bought ASICs had to pay the cost up front so there's little additional cost to operating ASIC hardware yet (relative to BTCs earned), and thus more miners are today saving their coins than when comparing to 2011 when that sell-everything-you-earn behavior was prevalent.
393  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Donating bitcoins - tax implications & deductions on: August 25, 2013, 10:44:20 PM
Assuming you are worried about the write-off, I see two issues. BTC is more anonymous than the government would prefer.

Charities accept cash and Bitcoin should actually be more desirable as it is a payment method that offers a form of triple entry accounting.  Triple entry is the most transparent method for bookeeping that other ledger systems for charities should emulate!

394  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: List of court cases, complaints, regulatory actions, etc. on: August 25, 2013, 10:22:40 PM
SEC v. Trendon T. Shavers, et al  CASE NO. 4:13-CV-416
July 23, 2013
Location: Sherman, TX, USA

Further development with this case.

 - <-- Browser friendly (PDF Viewer)

Each of the defendants named below has failed to plead or defend herein
395  Bitcoin / Technical Support / Re: No Confirm Transactions on: August 25, 2013, 06:35:22 PM
it, but there isn't a way for you to get the peers to drop the transaction faster.

I suppose this conversation wouldn't be complete without mention of the "replace by fee" patch, which essentially allows double spending of an unconfirmed transaction.   While the replace by fee patch is real and exists today, there are few (if any) miners using it so the chances of successfully double spending to recover the funds for your own unconfirmed transaction are very low.

Initial replace-by-fee implementation is now available on testnet
396  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-08-22 - Additional $2.1M Seized from Mt. Gox Account on: August 23, 2013, 02:19:07 PM
This is the seizure from Mt. Gox (Mutum Sigillum LLC)'s Wells Fargo account.  Additionally, funds from an account under the name of Mt. Gox's CEO were seized from another account.
In addition to the funds seized

The PDFs in that article require a plugin.  Here are the PDFs:

 - (Affidavit In Support Of Seizure Warrant)
 - (Seizure Warrant)

(The PDFs available at CoinUploads require bitcoins to read.  Those earn commission but I left the payout address blank which means the payout goes to Bitcoin Foundation.    If someone else has a file hosting with free access PM me with the link after and I'll replace the URLs where I used CoinUploads above.)
397  Bitcoin / Press / 2013-08-22 - Additional $2.1M Seized from Mt. Gox Account on: August 23, 2013, 02:18:59 PM
Additional $2.1M Seized from Mt. Gox Accounts – Now Over $5M Total
By Greg Schvey

398  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: List of court cases, complaints, regulatory actions, etc. on: August 23, 2013, 02:15:24 PM
Seizure Warrant - Funds in Dwolla account of Mutum Sigillum, LLC [Mt. Gox]
May 14, 2013
Location: USA

Abstract: The U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security (DHS) has seized funds in the accounts used by Mt. Gox at Dwolla and Wells Fargo.

And here's the other shoe that we knew had been dropped.

$2.1 million from the Wells Fargo account, seized in June frm both a Mt. Gox (Mutum Sigillum LLC) account as well as an account in Mark Karpeles' own name.

U.S. District Court (District of Maryland) Case Number: 13-1085SAG

Additional $2.1M Seized from Mt. Gox Accounts – Now Over $5M Total

 - (Affidavit In Support Of Seizure Warrant)
 - (Seizure Warrant)
399  Bitcoin / Press / 2013-08-21 - Five surprising facts about Bitcoin on: August 21, 2013, 04:52:43 PM
Five surprising facts about Bitcoin
by Timothy B. Lee (@BinaryBits)

  • Bitcoin isn’t exactly anonymous
  • Bitcoin regulations are as clear as mud
  • Bitcoin is big in Argentina
  • Volatility isn’t necessarily a big deal for Bitcoin
  • International Bitcoin transfers could be a big business

400  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold to Bitcoin Ratio in dollars historical chart on: August 21, 2013, 04:30:32 PM
Does anyone know a website that tracks gold to bitcoin ration priced in dollars? Historical charts would be helpful.

One year chart.

When I provided a monthly update I needed this data so I published the spreadsheet here:

With chart:

But I've not updated that in over half a year.

At the bottom it lists the data sources.  For gold:

So the non-automated process of pulling the data from that involved copying from the HTML page then massaging it in a spreadsheet to get just the daily price data.
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