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661  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: List of court cases, complaints, regulatory actions, etc. on: May 26, 2013, 09:36:17 PM
+1 this is nice Smiley keep up the good work!

It's a forum thread, anyone with updates is free (and encouraged) to post!
662  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: List of court cases, complaints, regulatory actions, etc. on: May 26, 2013, 09:34:20 PM
Seizure Warrant - Funds in Dwolla account of Mutum Sigillum, LLC [Mt. Gox]
May 14, 2013
Location: USA

Abstract: The U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security (DHS) has seized funds in the accounts used by Mt. Gox at Dwolla and Wells Fargo.

 - (pdf viewer on Google Docs)

Further discussion here:

MtGox account in the USA has been seized by the DHS?

Feds reveal the search warrant used to seize Mt. Gox account
663  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Physical BTC. How does it work? on: May 26, 2013, 09:17:19 PM
I know this is old but trying to understand. so each physical coin is it's own wallet? Someone had to transfer the coin from a computer wallet at some point onto the coin, right? I guess my question is where does the bitcoin come from that is put on the coin?

Are you asking how bitcoins enter the system?   All bitcoins are issued first as the block reward subsidy issued to miners.  

As far as how Casascius transfers funds to the addresses for the physical coins it can differ based on how they are shipped.   The coins shipped domestically are manufactured, funded and then shipped.  The coins shipped internationally are manufactured and shipped but because of VAT (taxes), they are not funded until after they've been received by the customer.    If the coins never arrive, they are still funded as otherwise that would mean there are unfunded Casascius coins potentially circulating and that would be bad.

Since Casascius receives payment in bitcoins, those funds might also be used to load value to the physical coins, or more coins might be purchased from an exchange on an as-needed basis.
664  Economy / Economics / Re: Billionaires hate Bitcoin. on: May 26, 2013, 09:05:02 PM
Those that went out and earned it, probably would like bitcoin.

Not necessarily.  Even if you look at the philanthropy by these billionaires you'll notice often that the use of public funds is either a contingency or ultimate goal.  Again, billionaires benefit from the status quo.    Bitcoin disrupts that and the power they hold.
665  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Unauthorized Payments / Electronic Fund Transfer Chargebacks on: May 26, 2013, 08:44:12 PM
virwox allow credit card and paypal to buy bit coins.

It is a minor technicality but that's not actually what happens.  VirWoX sells Second Life Lindens (SLLs) and accepts PayPal as payment.  You are then free to trade those SLLs for BTCs through them and withdraw the BTCs.   

Why not create a system where if they want to use CC/PayPal they have to have 'cash' or bitcoin balance equal to the amount they want to use.

Credit card chargebacks can occur months after the charge occurred (up to 6 months in most situations), so how long would the funds be parked in this bond before being returned to the customer?
666  Economy / Economics / Re: Hmm... is it time to crash BTC exchange rates yet? on: May 26, 2013, 08:19:12 PM
So, if the accounting books are never opened to record new transactions, no additional value hits the books empty rows remain as empty rows.

Please treat the above only as a hint, and not as an explanation of what goes behind the curtain.

We're obviously both blindfolded, touching an elephant and describing entirely different animals.

If you want to describe the Bitcoin ledger as having rows and each row represents a unit of value, then Bitcoin has 2,100,000,000,000,000 "rows" to work with.    (21M BTC, and 1 BTC = 100,000,000 rows (each equal to 1 Satoshi).

Most transactions cover millions of "rows" at a time.  (e.g., a 0.123 BTC payment covers 12.300,000 "rows").

So even if 99.9% of those rows are locked up with no activity, there are plenty of rows remaining with which commerce can occur through  (though yes, that would occur at a higher exchange rate due to supply being restricted to 0.1% of the coins issued).

so not to cause a panic prematurely


People understand supply and demand.   As the price rises, supply increases from those who previously were hoarding and then have attained the purchasing power that they were targeting.   At the same time demand by others decreases as plans to acquire coins at the higher exchange rate due to sticker shock.

Bitcoin is not the first commodity or form of money with a limited supply.

So, be bold and describe to us how this panic you fear will emerge.
667  Economy / Economics / Re: Hmm... is it time to crash BTC exchange rates yet? on: May 26, 2013, 05:50:55 AM
BTC is meant to be spent, not hoarded!

If I am a speculator wishing to bet that the future exchange rate will rise, then BTCs to me are meant for saving (hoarding, if you prefer that term).  That's what their value is to me, if I'm solely a speculator.

But that doesn't mean my saving bitcoins prevents someone else from spending theirs.   Yes, I do understand that as Bitcoin gains traction as a currency then the current exchange rate value of a bitcoin is more justified but it isn't like everyone holding bitcoins today is preventing that traction from occurring.
668  Economy / Economics / Re: If you are being paid interest on your money, why would you spend it? on: May 26, 2013, 03:12:14 AM
If nobody spends their money fiat will become useless.

Why do you believe that introducing artificial incentives (e.g., "penalizing money that has been sitting in the bank too long") is preferable to just letting fiat money becoming worthless (if that truly is the outcome due to a decline of spending)?   Better yet, who elected you (or anyone else) to decide for me what I should be doing with my money?

Keep yer grubby mitts off of other people's property.
669  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Trading with Non-License Money Transmitters (aka lending BTC to ANYONE) on: May 25, 2013, 11:48:41 PM
he said bitcoin may be a commodity

Is bitcoin a commodity?

Using the word "may be" means that person isn't even sure.


Now if you notice, DHS didn't seize Mt. Gox's Dwolla funds until after FinCEN released its guidance.

If the State believes bitcoins are a commodity then let them declare it.  Until then, bitcoins are baseball cards.

670  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Bitcoin in Hawaii! on: May 25, 2013, 09:56:39 PM
we decided that we could no longer sit out here in the pacific all by ourselves.

Looks like the Bitcoin community there is growing.  Holton Gallery in Kula, Maui:
671  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Can I run a purely bitcoin gaming site? on: May 25, 2013, 07:07:10 AM
If I run a gaming site purely using bitcoin, will I be required to pay taxes?

Taxes on profits from operating the site?  

Certainly there could be differences between jurisdictions but generally for most jurisdictions, yes -- a business would be required to pay taxes on profits regardless of the form the income occurs through.    At a minimum, profits from barter income are one example of this already being addressed:
672  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Unauthorized Payments / Electronic Fund Transfer Chargebacks on: May 24, 2013, 10:56:54 PM
For example, if you had someone designate a long-term Bitcoin address, that would serve as their only destination point for funds, and you as a vendor would accept transferring their funds to that address, I believe you could begin to find the outline of a secure payment system.

If you are trying to find a way to let a buyer prove that payment was sent to the seller, then you might want to know about the payment protocol being built into the Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind client.
673  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Fund US on: May 24, 2013, 10:14:01 PM
Investment is restricted to Accredited Investors

Slight correction, .... restricted to Qualified Purchasers.


It's a big club and you aint in it. 
  - George Carlin

674  Economy / Gambling / Re: [BITLOTTO] Mar 1 draw over $2000 or 50BTC! Tickets now 0.1 BTC for Apr 5 on: May 24, 2013, 12:16:38 AM
It appears the site is no longer online, which is good since there were still people happening across it (and sending new wagers, not knowing it was not paying out).

I was going to make an update to the archive of the site that I've maintained on github so that all Bitcoin addresses used were available later if needed.  Does anyone remember if the Bitcoin address after BitLotto turned to scam mode was still from the last lottery (that Goat had won), or was it a new address?
675  Bitcoin / Technical Support / Re: Someone forgot to add a fee to a payment they sent me. Is there anyway to speed? on: May 23, 2013, 11:02:48 PM
Are my funds going to be locked in limbo forever?

There is no reason other clients wouldn't relay your transaction so the miners should have gotten it.  There's no reason a miner wouldn't include your transaction other than since it has no fee it isn't the first to get included.  

If you had sent the payment using Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind it would get re-broadcast periodically (e.g., hourly or more) until it gets included in a block.  However, there is no guarantee that this is happening from and it appears that is the client you had used.  With your transaction now aged more than a full day, it is possible that it simply is no longer being re-broadcast and relayed and the mining pools no longer even know of your transaction.

If eventually drops your transaction (and all your spend transactions since that used those funds from your 6.5 BTC coin) then your funds will re-appear and you can send the funds once again.   But there's also a chance a miner does include your transaction and it will confirm at some point ... like in the next 24 hours.

There's no way to add a fee after a transaction has been sent.  An approach to allowing that (child pays for parent) is something that has been addressed and had already been coded (pull #1647) but is not part of the Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind client today and is not used by many (or any?) miners.

So a workaround today ... without any guarantee of it fixing your problem, is to just import the private key for your 13BXjmv6PCP361wKda63KfqH2kkCgv3Z8B adddress into Bitcoin-Qt and try to spend the funds from there.  Another approach is to "redeem" (import the private key) into Mt. Gox and let it try to sweep the funds to your Mt. Gox account.  Or wait another few hours or a day and see what happens with the transaction (i.e, either confirms or disappears).
676  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: now adds ability to purchase gift cards from its website using Bitcoins on: May 23, 2013, 06:24:08 PM
It looks like purchasing of gift cards is not limited to Android phone users any more.

Gyft has now added the ability to purchase gift cards using Bitcoins directly from it's website:
(Click the link reading "NEW! Buy cards with Bitcoin")

Direct link:

I can buy using their web site, but can I spend (in which I first need to get the gift card number, using the reveal process) using the web or do I need an Android for that?
677  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 22, 2013, 09:17:27 AM
I also still need to transfer my sterling into something else before I can use them, so I am no better off!

You mean you have GBP and want to purchase bitcoins?

How about sending them to CurrencyFair and then withdrawing EUR to your BITSTAMP account?  (Just like you could do with TransferWise before TransferWise went away).
678  Other / Off-topic / Re: Sorry, y'all: Game Over. I'm about to buy all the bitcoin. on: May 22, 2013, 09:12:53 AM
Gotta give this scammer points for persistence!  I wonder when PayPal will figure out who this really is.

Update, latest incarnation:

The e-mail address for that PayPal account:

This dude is like the Energizer Bunny of scammers.

Update, latest incarnation:

The e-mail address for that PayPal account:

Previous scams (in chronological order) likely by the same scammer:


Please report this scammer as badware:

679  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Payments are not processed? on: May 21, 2013, 08:40:00 PM
But this transaction is nowehere to be found, and needless to say, the bitcoins did not reach the recipient.

That transaction doesn't show up in so it is safe to say it hasn't been sent.

You probably don't want to use 50BTC as an E-Wallet for sending payments to others.  When you request a withdrawal from an E-Wallet, you are simply submitting  a request for withdrawal and that request has to be processed by the E-Wallet operator.

If you had used a wallet that you control (e.g., Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind, Bitcoin Wallet mobile app, etc.) then the transaction gets broadcast immediately.
680  Bitcoin / Press / Re: NEW articles in Press Forum on: May 21, 2013, 05:28:26 PM
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