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1141  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: My new invest game. on: June 20, 2016, 07:24:17 AM
Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi/Pyramid Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
1142  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: InvestexMarkets - Secure Payouts - Signature Campaign on: June 20, 2016, 07:14:17 AM
Pay 0.3146 for 201TH's

So, tell me, how do you get 201TH/s from a 'cloud mining' site which admits it only possesses 17TH/s-worth of miners?

Do I need to spell it out again?

F.r.a.c.t.i.o.n.a.l. M.i.n.i.n.g.

Otherwise known as a ponzi.
1143  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: InvestexMarkets - Secure Payouts - Signature Campaign on: June 17, 2016, 02:36:35 PM
More garbage cloud mining?

Yup, fractional this time.

BTW, OP, it is Libel you're after, not Slander.


1144  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Iznop/ponzi.xyz on: June 17, 2016, 06:40:38 AM
Should I open a new round?

No.

But in case you do, be advised of the new community policy:

Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi/Pyramid Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
1145  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: InvestexMarkets - Secure Payouts - Signature Campaign on: June 17, 2016, 06:09:55 AM
No one will sell their hashing power to you. Your selling rate is extremely low, which means your buying rate will be even lower. No one in their right mind will sell their hash to you, when they could make over 50% more by renting it at NiceHash.

Absolutely, which raises the likelihood of fractional mining and ponzi payments being the only way for them to raise the funds they are talking about needing.

Once you start heading down that road there is little chance of ever coming back from it and it usually escalates once begun. Ask anyone who was a customer of GAW Miners.
1146  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: DoubleBot.com - Always pays,100% guarantee. 195 BTC paid,more than 1 year online on: June 17, 2016, 06:02:20 AM
this is a valid working bot?

No, it is a ponzi.

The operator of this scheme has repeatedly been asked to provide evidence of his claims towards these 'trading bots' generating the payment funds and every single time he has become hostile and refused, usually with some convoluted story involving frequent travels between numerous exotic locations and Minsk, or something like that.

As for the absurd rationalisation that he hasn't run with the funds yet, so fucking what? That doesn't serve to prove anything. Maybe he got greedy when regular deposits were being made and he waited too long before interest waned and they reduced to a trickle. There's a hundred reasons which could be used to explain why he didn't steal the deposits yet.

The fact is he could provide proof of trading being the source of income but he outright refuses to. That is evidence enough that this is a ponzi when considering what is more likely the truth of the situation.
1147  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: InvestexMarkets - Secure Payouts - Signature Campaign on: June 16, 2016, 02:25:05 PM
[/b]I think if you look above there is a mining address we poste

Which shows 17TH/s . . .
=============  Service Update =============
today we dropped to 15th/s but things will pick up again in the next hour or so.
Panel updates & code fixes = GUI bug = Fixed.

I mean 15TH/s of your own hash power, so you can only sell a maximum (when you're actually at 17TH/s) of 0.0272 BTC worth of total hash power before you have to then go and buy it from elsewhere and sell it on while still making it financially viable. Not gonna happen without fractional mining and ponzi payments.




1148  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: InvestexMarkets - Secure Payouts - Signature Campaign on: June 16, 2016, 02:04:36 PM
We are offering real hashing power from our network, There is no gambling involved. Once you select your payment you will recieve back the exact return for that Th/s Value!

So your 'customers' send you a bitcoin and you send them back fractions of a bitcoin over a long period of time. Smells like ponzi to me.

Criteria to help you spot a cloud mining scam/ponzi.

1) No public mining address / no user selectable pool.
A cloud mining company that wont let you direct the hashrate to your pool of choosing and cant prove its actually mining bitcoins itself, is very likely a scam. There is no reason to hide mining address or not sign blocks. None.

2) No endorsement from any asic vendor
Asic vendors will gladly make a simple post to show the company in question is a significant customer of theirs. Its free advertisement for them and it helps their customer grow their business, so there is absolutely no reason they wouldnt. If a (cloud) mining company cant get any asic vendor to post such endorsement, you should assume they dont have any hardware to mine with.

3) No relevant pictures of their hardware and datacenter
There is no reason not to provide such pictures, except of course, if there is nothing to take pictures off. Mind you: pictures can be faked. Picture dont prove current ownership. So like all criteria listed here, by themselves they are by far insufficient proof.

4) Open ended IPO / fractional reverse mining risk
Unless the cloud mining is operated by the asic vendor himself, you can not sell an unlimited amount of hashrate. Hardware takes (usually a long) time to order, arrive and deploy. Any company that doesnt limit sales or make public how much hashrate they sold vs what they have (provably) deployed should be considered  suspicious.

5) Referral programs and social networking
Referral programs, especially ones that pay almost 10%, are a huge red flag. The mining market is cut throat with razor thin margins. No real company can afford to pay 10% referrals on below market cloudmining prices. Referral programs almost always serve only to feed the ponzi and provide financial incentive to posters to lie about the true nature of the company. Never trust anyone with a referral link in their sig.

6) Anonymous operators
If the operators are hiding behind whoisguard, provide no provable identity and especially when, like in some cloudmining cases, they use demonstrably false ID or company registration information, you have to be nuts to trust them with your money.

7) No exit strategy
If you cant sell your position, you cant get your money out. Thats the ideal case for a ponzi and allows it to run for a  long time.

8 ) Bonus point for "guaranteed profit"
So far, Ive only seen bitcoinmaker.ch do this. If anyone guarantees you a bitcoin denominated profit, and especially a 30+% one, you can be sure its a ponzi, all the other criteria become unimportant. There is no such thing as certain profit when it comes to mining, no one knows how the network will evolve, or what btc exchange rate will do. If anyone could somehow be certain of making a 30% profit, they wouldnt need your money (and they wouldnt give the profit to you).



So how do you rate on the above scale, then?

1149  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: InvestexMarkets - Secure Payouts - Signature Campaign on: June 16, 2016, 01:43:30 PM
We have been involved in mining for over 2 years now. Accusing services that are trying to get off the ground solely down to there forum profile creation date is very poor in our eyes.

It isn't your forum profile creation date being highlighted, asshat, it is your fucking domain creation date.

Surely you remember when that was? It was only a little over two weeks ago!

As for your signature campaign:
Quote
To join you must have been a customer and used our service!
All signature payments will be added to balance in user interface.

So you're not even paying people in bitcoin, you're paying them in made-up numbers you simply tap on to their 'account balance', hoping that because they are obviously self-selecting as the kind of suckers who see dollar-signs instead of common-sense they'll do the 'cloud mining' ponzi shuffle and want to 'compound' their 'profit' and 're-invest' it with you.




1150  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: June 16, 2016, 12:16:07 PM
Quote
The attorney fees are determined by the court in such matters, but “typically” are around 30% of the value of the award.
Wouldn't the lawyers simply be billing their clients directly?

Are they doing this through a 'No-win No-fee' arrangement or something?

1151  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: InvestexMarkets - Secure Payouts - Signature Campaign on: June 16, 2016, 05:27:14 AM
Just to add a little clarity to the bullshit:

Quote
Domain Name: INVESTEXMARKETS.COM
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 48
Whois Server: whois.enom.com
Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
Name Server: RS143.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
Name Server: RS43.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
Status: ok https://icann.org/epp#ok
Updated Date: 11-jun-2016
Creation Date: 30-may-2016
Expiration Date: 30-may-2017

GTFO scammer. Anyone who wears your signature will be tagged with red trust.
1152  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: InvestexMarkets - Secure Payouts - Signature Campaign on: June 16, 2016, 05:13:40 AM
Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi/Pyramid Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
1153  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Is Coince.com legit ? on: June 16, 2016, 05:09:45 AM
I'm confused is it scam or not?

It is a criminally fraudulent ponzi scheme.

can I deposit some bucks and expect return?
If I do then my profit is from other's lose?

If you are sent more funds than you deposit then, yes, you would be receiving that extra btc from those stolen from other 'investors' by the ponzi operators.

1154  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: TinderBTC (claims 0.1% profit per hour on btc investment): Scam or Legit? on: June 16, 2016, 05:08:03 AM
I tested it guys.When i saw the ads I deposited 5 dolars btc (i donno why i was just too bored i guess) i dont remember since when im a member there but i withdrew 6 dolars until now so its still in active mode

Don't make encouraging noises about a HYIP ponzi scam, it draws people in to think they might be able to make a profit.

Public Service Announcement -
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Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
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they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
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1155  Other / Meta / Re: Happy Birthday, Theymos! on: June 15, 2016, 01:41:03 PM
25? Seriously?

Or not seriously?

1156  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Double your bitcoins at 2xbitcoin.co.nf on: June 15, 2016, 06:50:06 AM
Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi/Pyramid Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
1157  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: [Bitwinner.win] Be a winner- earn bitcoin every hour [15-06-2016] on: June 15, 2016, 06:49:00 AM
Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi/Pyramid Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
1158  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Is Coince.com legit ? on: June 15, 2016, 06:39:47 AM
I deposit 200$ and ı get 81$ now my roi is %41 Smiley

Says the ponzi scammer.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1510409.msg15192919#msg15192919
1159  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: This interesting website has turned a bitcoin faucet into a microeconomy on: June 15, 2016, 06:08:50 AM
Perhaps changing the thread title might help correct the initial skepticism us jaded inhabitants of IBG had for your topic. It sounds too much like an irrelevant bit of fluff nonsense used to distract from a sketchy service.

If you focused on simply discussing the 'Risk Aversion' nature of the type of wager it is you're more likely to be able to quickly establish to readers that it isn't yet another ponzi/pyramid promotional thread.

There are a few legitimate services in IBG, but literally only a few, as in you can probably count them on the fingers of one hand if you were wearing mittens. This means they have to be adept at quickly asserting the facts which separate them from dodgy schemes and scams and getting straight to the core of the service's details is important.

1160  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: This interesting website has turned a bitcoin faucet into a microeconomy on: June 14, 2016, 01:07:43 PM
Actually I initially did and then after reviewing the details further came to the conclusion that it appears to be simply a betting game.

Assuming, because the code is open-source, that everything is provably fair when it comes to matching up the amounts being wagered, it would make this a legitimate gamble, albeit one where the big fish eat the little fish. Unless anyone can show that it isn't creating the pairs randomly then this doesn't qualify as a scam.

That being said, as with all centralised services, the operators could still leg it with the funds.

@derrend If there are an odd number of deposits made in a round, how does the system handle the one that can't be paired up?


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