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1221  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: cryptotriplex.COM ||| ROI 150% ||| PAYOUT EVERY 3 HOURS ||| 15 % REFERRAL BONUS on: May 25, 2016, 09:17:43 AM
Hi guys. I'm not interested in this game and also I'm not in. But this section is completely dedicated to gambling (investor based) stuffs and whoever is participating is responsible for her/his own work. Maybe there is no need the warn them by posting large warnings. All the guys here know how things work here.
Jezreel, opmac and cryptodevil I think you should not give negative trust at least for people who participate. They do it on their own and this doesn't crash anything. Some times ago I created a thread for closing this section but you know no one is interested. They want this thread to be alive and participate in it. So leave them alone.

^^^ No.

Ponzi scams need participants and they need to be promoted in order to operate. The 'profit' made by people who participate is that which is taken from later 'investors', which is a pretty shitty way to earn your money and indicative of someone who doesn't care where their profit comes from even if it is tantamount to theft.

They get tagged to stifle the ability of these scam threads to draw in more suckers and they get tagged because their participation and support for these scams proves they are untrustworthy.
1222  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [FRAUD] LEOcoin scam making demonstrably fraudulent claims to con general public on: May 25, 2016, 07:07:26 AM
[updated to include excellent piece from behindmlm.com about the sorry state of this ponzi scam

https://behindmlm.com/companies/leo/leo-withholds-commissions-dan-andersson-confirms-ponzi-scheme/
Quote
LEO withholds commissions, Dan Andersson confirms Ponzi scheme
Aug.09, 2019

LEO owner and CEO Dan Andersson has announced existing commission balances are being held hostage, pending new investment from recruited affiliates.
Andersson’s announcement was made in a “Special Global Associate Meeting”, held yesterday.
Last we heard Andersson was under criminal investigation in Pakistan. To that end authorities had forbidden him from fleeing the country.
In April the Pakistani SEC shut down a shell company related to LEO.
As far as we know Andersson (right) is still prohibited from leaving Pakistan, and the regulatory investigation into LEO continues.
What with LEO’s latest incarnation being an MLM crypto Ponzi scheme, naturally this has been terrible for business.
Or as Andersson puts it, LEO now finds itself in an “almighty cash crunch”.
Rather than come clean about his arrest and status in Pakistan, Andersson dances around the elephant in the room.
The closest he gets to acknowledging LEO’s legal problems, is stating the company has racked up “two million pounds of legal fees on different things”.
LEO began as a personal development pyramid scheme back in 2012. Like many MLM scams, the company pivoted into cryptocurrency in 2014.
This saw the introduction of LEO Coin, which has operated as a Ponzi scheme through an internal exchange since launch.
On or around August 2015 LEO Coin was listed publicly. At launch LEO Coin hovered around five cents.
From 2017 however it’s been in continuous decline, and now trades publicly at 2.2 cents.
Andersson refers to LEO’s sale of LEO Coin internally as a Digital Marketing Service (DMS).
In short LEO generates LEO Coin demand, solicits investment for the coins internally and pays commissions on affiliate investor recruitment.
This is your standard MLM crypto Ponzi model.
Trouble is, with Andersson stuck and new investment plummeting, LEO has (supposedly) run out of money to honor internal exchange withdrawals.
As part of his Special Global Associate Meeting announcement, Andersson inadvertently reveals LEO has been paying internal exchange withdrawal requests with invested funds.
1223  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [FRAUD] LEOcoin scam making demonstrably fraudulent claims to con general public on: May 25, 2016, 07:07:17 AM
LEOcoin, as a clone of Mintcoin, has no discernible features or technical specification which would elevate it over any other digital currency.

When the issue of this fraudulent claim towards it being, "truly anonymous" was first raised in the LEOcoin thread on this forum by user, 'arielbit' it was ignored:
it is a pyramiding scheme brought to crypto currency land, this coin has no innovations and obsolete and no good developer..look at the OP coin features --> "anonymous" haha WTF? the OP does not know shit he/she is a marketeer too

this is just a coin by marketeers to scam people who don't know shit about crypto currency, who will simply think "if i got to bitcoin early i'm already a millionaire so i will invest in leocoin too"

I subsequently brought attention back to this false claim:
Hey, Leocoin Foundation, care to explain how this amazing coin achieves this?
Quote
Through the use of advanced cryptography and encryption methods, we have managed to make LEOcoin a truly anonymous digital currency, in contrast to others which are anonymous only on a superficial level.

Because true anonymity is an awfully difficult thing to achieve and the Leocoin github hasn't been updated in over a year, which would surely mean that hidden in its cut-and-paste code is the holy grail of anonymity?

I'm betting it isn't.

and got this reply:
@cryptodevil
regarding the anonymity level I will speak with the team that programmed LEOcoin and likewise explain the statement or have it adapted. Please understand that the LEOcoin Foundation was started a year after the first LEOcoins were created and that we currently have a lot of WIP to deal with.

Seeing as this project still failed to remove this false claim I raised it again:
Any response yet on why this coin has always been, and is still being, touted as possessing the 'holy-grail' tech of complete anonymity when it clearly does not and never has?

Quote
Described on MyLeoBusiness as the “final piece of the LEO puzzle”, LEOCoin promises anonymity and security that are “nothing short of revolutionary”.

"We studied bitcoin, saw its strengths and weaknesses, and launched LEOCoin on the shoulders of its achievements, while improving on just about every aspect of it," Andersson said, before elaborating on the projects value propositions that include “complete anonymity”
and “state-of-the-art security”.

and got another assurance that it would be looked into:
@cryptodevil

good point, I will look into this. Some level of anonymity will be present, I suppose, but not complete anonymity, after all, the internet is involved ...

Still nothing was done.

Months passed and that fraudulent claim remained as part of the promotional information for this coin.

I again raised the issue with 'LEOcoin Foundation' but all I got in response were repeated and dishonest attempts to redefine the meaning of the word, "anonymous".

I'll not post the huge walls of text he continually resorted to as they are tedious beyond belief but they began around this point:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1289299.msg14913528#msg14913528

I eventually offered 'LEOcoin Foundation' the opportunity to honestly accept that the statement was false and to ensure it was promptly removed from the leocoin.org website, something which should have been done six months ago, and the reply I got was that 'LEOcoin Foundation' and I simply had a difference of opinion on the matter, followed by yet more attempts at redefining the meaning of the word, "anonymous". All the while the leocoin.org website continues to lie about possessing tech which makes it, "truly anonymous".

1224  Economy / Scam Accusations / [FRAUD] LEOcoin scam making demonstrably fraudulent claims to con general public on: May 25, 2016, 07:07:07 AM
The people shilling for the MLM/Pyramid-Scam-based coin, 'LEOcoin' have claimed since the coin's inception that, unlike the pseudo-anonymous nature of the vast majority of digital currencies, they have developed technology which makes it, "truly anonymous".

Their leocoin.org website, the central point of information on the web for the general public to learn of this coin and its features has long (since 2014 according to LEOcoin Foundation) contained this explicit claim:



Anybody who understand the basic principle behind bitcoin knows it is not anonymous, it is pseudo-anonymous. While addresses within the publicly-viewable blockchain are not named and generally do not carry identifiers of the person who possesses the private key to them, the fact is that every single transaction since the genesis block can be tracked to analyse the movement of coins to and from these addresses.

By simply discovering the information of who owns some of the addresses, usually through their having used centralised exchanges which require users to submit their identity, or through using Bitcoin to make online purchases which may involve submitting personal information or a delivery address, it is absolutely possible to uncover a veritable trove of information on that person's coin transactions, their history and even trace their ongoing activities. 

This is why the concept of a "truly anonymous" digital currency is often considered as the 'Holy Grail' of cryptocurrency technology and very few coin projects seek to specialise in achieving this complex and extremely difficult goal.

While many digital currency websites play fast and loose with the use of the word 'anonymous' when listing the features and specification of their coin, usually simply alluding to the lack of address identifiers, only those projects which are claiming to specifically offer total anonymity list in their coin's features that they are, "truly anonymous".

LEOcoin, which is known to market and promote itself through an MLM/Pyramid scheme to the general public, not only claims to possess this valuable technology, but even qualifies that claim further by comparing itself to regular digital currencies which are anonymous "only on a superficial level".

There is no vague, hand-wavy, stretching of the truth here. They do not simply claim it be anonymous, they specifically claim it to be, "truly anonymous" and, therefore, superior to other coins which are only pseudo-anonymous, like Bitcoin for example. LEOcoin is actually claiming that it offers a feature which even the multi-billion-dollar Bitcoin does not have. It is promoting itself to the general public as offering a function that it simply does not possess.

It is doing this in order to make itself seem more advanced a technology than 'other' coins, like Bitcoin.

It is doing this in order to persuade the general public that it is a worthwhile and valuable investment.

It is committing fraud in doing so.
1225  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ANN - LEOcoin - Official announcement regarding LEOcoin from LEOcoin Foundation on: May 25, 2016, 06:14:39 AM
@cryptodevil

you made your point, I made mine. We simply do not agree.

The text you are so focussed upon is about to be altered and LEOcoin will switch to POS next month. I see no reason to discuss the topic any further, particularly, as I have not written that text. And taken at face value, LEOcoin does offer transactions without disclosing names and thus is literally offering anonymity. Yet, this is a thing that most digital currencies do and thus not very exciting, at that time it was however new to the target group of the LEOcoin.org website.


Quote
dishonest wall of text attempting to redefine the meaning of words

First, the meaning of a word is its use in a language. So when we take anonymous (which is Greek for ‘without a name’) literally and state accordingly that when a name is not mentioned in a transaction, such a transaction is literally doing what anonymity is about. As such this is not a lie, but expressing that LEOcoin is doing what it should. This is also not a redefining of the meaning of anonymous, but a referring to its first and original meaning.

Second, many words are ambiguous to the extent that they can have so many meanings that you really need the context in which the word is used in order to determine which of the different meanings it has. Thus it is not me redefining the meaning of anonymous, but you trying to limit its meaning to a definition that suits your purposes. Meanwhile you ignore its literal meaning of ‘nameless’.

Third, definitions are made in order to understand what is being asserted in a particular statement. As it seems, you take your definition for granted, but when I point at the ambiguity of a word, you accuse me of redefining the meaning. The point is, that we have not reached a consensus on what anonymity means. We might agree on a definition, but that would be one that would be valid between us. You cannot simply take a definition from a particular and specific field, like e.g. cryptography, and then expect that whenever this word is being used by an author, this author would employ this word in the same sense as the one that matches your definition. It is for this reason that in science, words are being defined as precisely as possible, in order to avoid misunderstandings.

“In colloquial use, "anonymous" is used to describe situations where the acting person's name is unknown” (source: Wikipedia). You may not like that someone who has written the copy on the LEOcoin.org website does not follow your stance on anonymity, but that is how it works on most websites. These are not legal documents or scientific endeavours, but simply texts to express a particular view or property.


Wow. Just. Wow.

The initial content of the above reply post you made was bad enough, merely dismissing the issue as being that of 'opinion', but then you had to go and double-down with another wall-of-text bullshit edit.

This coin project is now considered as being a demonstrably fraudulent operation. Scam accusation thread is being drafted. I will update this post with a link to it.

[EDIT] Scam accusation thread can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1484410.msg14961523#msg14961523

1226  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: cryptotriplex.COM ||| ROI 150% ||| PAYOUT EVERY 3 HOURS ||| 15 % REFERRAL BONUS on: May 25, 2016, 05:53:57 AM
Deposited: 4.034
Paid: 1.22176405


So you've received 4.035 BTC but only distributed 1.221 BTC?

You're admitting to have received $1803 worth of deposits but you're only returning $545 to users and withholding $1257 dollars worth of bitcoin, while pinky-promising that you'll drip-feed them some more tiny amounts over time? That has to be the largest spread of withheld funds by a ponzi I have seen outside of the ones that simply don't send any back out!

So the more victims you get to send you their money, the larger the amount you'll be withholding at any one time? Hahahahahaha, you are *so* intending on running with their money!

I am also in the profit today from making legit BTC transaction and not having to steal from others.

Feels good, doesn't it?
1227  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk.org supports illegal ponzi schemes on: May 24, 2016, 07:02:41 AM
FFS, you're an idiot. I'm putting you on ignore.

1228  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ANN - LEOcoin - Official announcement regarding LEOcoin from LEOcoin Foundation on: May 24, 2016, 06:58:43 AM
Your utterances with regard to blatantly fraudulent claims being made as selling points to the general public are based on your narrow interpretation of anonymous.../snip for dishonest wall of text attempting to redefine the meaning of words

Quote from: leocoin website
we have managed to make LEOcoin a truly anonymous digital currency

"we have managed to make LEOcoin a. . ." - This explicitly states that the people behind LEOcoin have accomplished something specific, yes?

"truly anonymous" - This explicitly defines not pseudo-anonymous, not merely anonymous, but TRULY anonymous.

LEOcoin possesses no anonymity technology or methodology which separates it from the original coin it was cloned from, correct? So to claim "we have managed to make LEOcoin a truly anonymous digital currency" would still be a lie even if Mintcoin had achieved true anonymity because it wouldn't be your organisation's accomplishment anyway.

But Mintcoin transactions are no more anonymous than Bitcoin. Yet the claim attempts to qualify itself further by putting LEOcoin alongside these 'other' currencies which do not possess the technology to be 'truly anonymous' and states:

"in contrast to others which are anonymous only on a superficial level." - This explicitly compares the, claimed, 'truly anonymous' technology utilised by LEOcoin to that of other digital currencies which do not feature this supposed unique technology, describing them as possessing a 'superficial' degree of anonymity or, as is the usual term employed to describe same, that they are pseudo-anonymous.


Now, I know you're not so dumb as to not be fully aware of the false nature of that claimed 'feature' LEOcoin promotes itself as possessing, so if you continue to try and spin that lie into somehow not being a lie I will have to negatively rate you for knowingly promoting fraud. Likewise if that claim is not removed from the website and promotional material I will negatively rate any LEOcoin branded username as collaborating and colluding with fraudsters.

It's your choice, be honest or have the forum made aware that you and every other 'LEOcoin' username are not to be trusted.

1229  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk.org supports illegal ponzi schemes on: May 24, 2016, 06:07:02 AM
Does bitcointalk.org make the ponzi shemes available to public? YES (promotion)

No they do not. Unless you have evidence to show that this forum is hosting ponzi operations on its server or within its domain stop repeating that incredibly shonky fallacious reasoning.

There are also some ultra-right-wing racist and homophobic threads on this forum. Does that mean this forum supports them? No, it means the community can choose to challenge or ignore the shit that is posted in them.

Same for ponzi threads.

1230  Other / Meta / Re: Trust system abused by caring, overzealous members. on: May 24, 2016, 05:55:29 AM
Lot of these accounts are newbies just starting out so I hate this to be one of their first dealings with the forum.

Lots of these accounts are newbies because they are sock-puppets of existing members who don't want to risk getting their main account's trust torched for supporting and collaborating/colluding with ponzi operators.

Where a user promptly removes their supporting posts the rating is removed also and in most cases they stop posting in ponzi threads. It doesn't actually prevent anybody from doing anything, by the way, it simply adds a degree of consequence to their decision to support scams.

A ponzi *has* to be sufficiently promoted to draw in new victims in order to pay existing 'customers'. Legitimate investment sites do not.

1231  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Westlake Invest - 5% daily LIFETIME/ 25-1000% on: May 23, 2016, 03:49:17 PM
Better go and F*** yourself

Better work on putting more fucking effort into screwing everybody else, dumbass. You can't even be bothered to change the format of your OP from the last scam.

I'm not an admin or owner!


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1232  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: DoubleBot.com - The only one place to double your BTC with a 100% guarantee. on: May 23, 2016, 03:38:04 PM
I do not want to share any proofs, if you do not believe me, it's your opinion. Well, I will not discuss it.

So pretty much as has previously been observed by a number of users, you refuse to provide any proof that these claimed 'trading bots' are providing the profit and simply keep regurgitating the same old nonsense about how you are too busy etc. etc.

But it's ok, you're not like those *other* ponzi operators who use exactly the same kind of excuses as you, because you're totallynotponzi, right?

:epicrolleyes:

LOL.


1233  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: DoubleBot.com - The only one place to double your BTC with a 100% guarantee. on: May 23, 2016, 01:14:52 PM
^^^ Well SNavy? It's all well and good to talk about arbitrage and bot trading but every other wearetotallynotaponzi scam does that, too.

There is a new site, which will send double the amount of your payments back to you. 

DoubleBot.com

I can say that this site is paying and it is a really good one.
All payments proofs you can find on the main page.

Payment proofs are not proof of not being a ponzi as every other wearetotallynotaponzi scam does that, too.

1234  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: cryptotriplex.COM ||| ROI 150% ||| PAYOUT EVERY 3 HOURS ||| 15 % REFERRAL BONUS on: May 23, 2016, 12:54:48 PM
So who cares about your bullshit, just create a new account and post with a newbie account here Wink

Uhuh, sure, great marketing plan. Because potential new 'customers' will certainly trust the posts of newbie accounts with red negative trust ratings.

1235  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: cryptotriplex.COM ||| ROI 150% ||| PAYOUT EVERY 3 HOURS ||| 15 % REFERRAL BONUS on: May 23, 2016, 12:29:22 PM
tell me and we will give you a positive trust

Which won't remove the red trust rating under their username because your 'positive trust' isn't trusted.

1236  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: cryptotriplex.COM ||| ROI 150% ||| PAYOUT EVERY 3 HOURS ||| 15 % REFERRAL BONUS on: May 23, 2016, 12:20:00 PM
Guys, post your bitcoin address and what you think about our service, and we will reward you with 0.001 btc.


And we'll reward you with a negative rating for supporting a ponzi 'doubler' scam.

Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi/Pyramid Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!


1237  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: DoubleBot.com - The only one place to double your BTC with a 100% guarantee. on: May 23, 2016, 12:11:30 PM
Any ponzi site where you do not post this red spam can be yours. In your cryptodevil account you force people not to invest money in my and other sites, and it is because you want them to invest in your site(s). Of course, your cryptodevil alt account does not make a direct promotion of your sites.

Awesome logic there, ponzi-man!

Since I began this community action back in February I don't think I've missed posting my PSA in any of them and where I didn't, someone else kindly did and you'll find that in those cases I still tagged the OP with negative trust rating.

I see you're still avoiding offering evidence that you're not running a ponzi operation here.


1238  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ANN - LEOcoin - Official announcement regarding LEOcoin from LEOcoin Foundation on: May 23, 2016, 12:01:54 PM
don't mind about being anon or not anon

It isn't about whether people mind if it is anonymous or not, it is about blatantly fraudulent claims being made as selling points to the general public. In my experience most people couldn't care less if a coin network is "truly anonymous", but they do care if they are being lied to.

1239  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: DoubleBot.com - The only one place to double your BTC with a 100% guarantee. on: May 23, 2016, 11:44:26 AM
Seems some people need reminding:

Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi/Pyramid Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

+1
be smart guys

Indeed. At least be smarter than the operator of this scam who, instead of posting evidence to prove he isn't operating a ponzi, merely resorts to ad hominem name-calling and absurd accusations that because I'm working to stop these scumbags from getting new victims, I must be running my own ponzi scam. That shows the degree of dishonesty these people live by, they can't comprehend the idea of somebody wanting to prevent fraudulent activity in this community.

Still waiting for that evidence of where my ponzi website is, SNavy.

1240  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: DoubleBot.com - The only one place to double your BTC with a 100% guarantee. on: May 23, 2016, 11:04:58 AM
It's very funny when the Ponzi sites owner (cryptodevil) crying "Do not invest!" here.
I think that my site is bad for your business, right?

Stop your stupid spam and scam.

His site? What's his site? Give the link if you have.

Please do! I would be fucking fascinated to find that I run or own a ponzi site!

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