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1  Economy / Economics / Re: Chinese economic impact of trade war with U.S on: August 22, 2018, 10:07:58 AM

There are many variables and they don't all align. People don't necessarily do what they say they will. We often see those in office consistently doing the opposite of their remarks and not following through on promises.

Here is the difficulty in understanding these kinds of conflicts while we are in the midst of them. What exactly does each side want? Too much confusion because we are getting mixed signals, especially coming from the US.

The problem with US foreign policy is it has many faces, depending on which level you look at. The political system is too dynamic to have one main leader. It's natural to assume the president is responsible for everything and Trump can be blamed for everything, but that just isn't the case in America anymore. There's a lot of powerful interest groups operating behind the scenes in the form of government agencies, corporations, lobby groups, etc. We can never know the motives until after the smoke clears.
2  Economy / Economics / Re: Chinese economic impact of trade war with U.S on: August 21, 2018, 07:12:57 AM
Has the Chinese population seen the impact of the trade war with U.S as much as some of the citizens of the U.S in some of its sectors? State Chairman Xi Jinping has used censorship on media outlets to hide of markets have been fluctuating following new releases of sanctions. But I haven heard about Chinese citizens being impacted by the trade tariffs. anyone have updates?

I think the biggest thing affecting the locals would be the currency. The Yuan is dropping pretty quickly so a lot of Chinese people are probably scrambling to protect their wealth. This happened last year around November-December as well, which partially contributed to the growth of Bitcoin. Chinese were sending their money to Bitcoin so they didn't lose in value.

They've also got capital control measures that limit the amount of foreign currency they can purchase each year. I would imagine that not a lot of it is going into the USD anymore and they are looking for other options. This trade war could drive more people to invest in Bitcoin.

But it wouldn't be good for the world's economy, that's for sure. We're already starting to see cracks because of this strong dollar.
3  Economy / Economics / Re: Invest in BTC vs Invest in Real Estate? on: August 20, 2018, 07:42:35 AM
I've come to realize many have a negative opinion of zerohedge. Having read their articles over the last 10-15 years, I think I have a different perspective from most and know that some of the things zerohedge has published over the years have turned out to be true. Their opinion is often dissenting as they were one of the few independent publications and there were campaigns waged against their credibility in the past.

As this ZH article says, the value of real estate worldwide may be likely to diminish due to wages not growing at a fast enough rate to sustain rapidly accelerating rent or real estate prices. Demand may inevitably decline which could lead to another massive drop in value across the board once government funded home loan programs and foreign demand for real estate dry up.

Real estate may not be a good investment. Who knows for certain?

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London's Property Crash Has Begun

Authored by Damian Reilly via Medium.com,

The average age of a first time mum at London’s Chelsea and Westminster hospital is 37, a statistic that tells you everything you need to know about the choices supposedly affluent city dwellers are being forced to make in the capital. For the middle classes, the cost of living in London — the cost of getting by — long ago went past insane (£17,040: the cost per year of educating a four year-old child at Thomas’s school in Fulham, not including uniform). It’s the incredible price of property, of course, that’s been the engine driving this madness, ratcheting the pressure ever higher on Londoners who don’t own a home while making very wealthy, on paper at least, those who do.

For the last two decades and more, the capital’s property market to all intents and purposes has behaved like a giant Ponzi scheme played on a global scale. Money from all over the world has poured into London bricks, inflating values unrealistically in relation to wages, while the lavish bonuses paid to European bankers working in the City have also stoked momentum responsible for pushing up, for example, the average price of a London semi-detached house by 553 per cent between January 1995 and November 2017, from £133,820 to £873,603.

Over the same period, the average cost of a detached house in the capital went from £257,748 to £1,453,271
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At last, however, the party is over. London property prices, now still flailing cartoonishly in mid-air despite being well over the edge of a cliff, are at the start of what we can call, for want of a better term, a death plunge. Although the carnage is only just beginning in earnest, desperate homeowners looking to sell are already dropping asking prices by tens of thousands of pounds and more. They know the tide is going out quickly.

The reasons you would have to be clinically insane to buy property in London today are blessedly easy to understand. Describing a modern financial disaster normally requires some pretence of understanding, say, derivatives markets or the myriad immensely complex ways international banks package and trade debt. Not this time.

This time the four horsemen of the capital’s property apocalypse  -  Brexit, knackered oil prices, the threat of a socialist government and absolutely astonishing levels of personal debt  -  are so obvious and easy to see coming they might as well be arriving on bright red London buses.

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1. Brexit is the most obvious factor frightening away potential buyers. Why would anyone purchase a property now in the capital when such an enormous and ominous question mark hangs in the sky? International investors keen to use London as a glamorous base from which to access European markets are understandably cautious — despite some misleadingly high profile 2017 Chinese investments into landmark London buildings — while the threat of a banker exodus is very real (property prices in Frankfurt are spiking as I type). According to the latest report by property data experts Molior London, sales of homes in the capital dropped by 20 percent in the last quarter of 2017. The report added some 15,000 recently completed luxury apartments remain unsold. For market watchers this is an amazing departure from the status quo, when London new builds were snapped up by global investors often before a brick had been laid.

2. The sustained low oil price is also very bad news for London property, chiefly because it means wealthy Arabs — traditionally big-time investors in the capital — are no longer so wealthy. Since Saudi Arabia went tonto on American shale producers in 2015, opening all the spigots to flood the market with cheap oil in an effort to drive them out of business, Gulf Arabs have had a lot fewer disposable petrodollars to put into Mayfair and Knightsbridge pied-a-terres. In fact, virtually all Gulf states are currently running heavy budget deficits, meaning there is significantly less cash washing about at the top of the London property market — bad news for property sellers down the ladder.

Dr Eckart Woertz, an expert in Gulf economies and senior researcher at the Barcelona Centre for International Affairs, explains: “The low oil price means there is less money to invest. In fact, most Gulf countries are now repatriating money. Look at Saudi Arabia — they have repatriated $200bn of their foreign reserves. The appetite to invest large-scale in London real estate by the big sovereign wealth funds and wealthy individuals is much reduced, which is unsurprising given the yields that are available.”

He adds the recent Riyadh Ritz sheikhdown by Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler Mohammed bin Salman of 100 or so of the kingdom’s richest men has sent a powerful message to other wealthy Saudis considering investing abroad. “They cannot do it as much now — they cannot wire big amounts. I know someone who has set up a real estate development in a European capital… he has Saudi clients who are telling him they cannot get more than ten million dollars out of the country. Wiring money now raises suspicion.”

3. For those of us who would love to be worried about the difficulty of wiring ten million dollars, the prospect of Jeremy Corbyn waiting in the wings to become Britain’s next Prime Minister is a rather more relatable bad omen for London property values. Corbyn, who at the time of writing was priced at 3–1 to be Britain’s next leader, would head up a socialist government very different in outlook to the nakedly capitalist ones that have presided over the capital’s property boom. Corbyn, for example, has openly advocated large-scale “requisitioning” of homes owned and left empty by wealthy investors in order to give them to the poor. “It cannot be acceptable that in London you have luxury buildings and luxury flats kept as land banking for the future while the homeless and poor look for somewhere to live,” he has said. While undoubtedly a lovely sentiment, Jez, making state confiscation threats out loud isn’t great for shifting houses to minted foreigners.

4. And then there’s perhaps the most overlooked factor affecting the market: after years and years of being squeezed relentlessly, the indigenous London middle class, as it is in the wider UK, is largely skint. According to a recent survey by comparethemarket.com, a person in Britain is on average £8,000 in debt, not including mortgage repayments. Last June, the Bank of England announced UK unsecured consumer credit had gone over £200bn. It’s not all skagheads in tenement blocks running up these debts. Research has repeatedly found that more than a third of people using credit cards on a monthly basis to make ends meet earn between £50k and £70k a year. In London, where living costs are highest, the pain is felt as keenly, if not moreso, as it is anywhere else in the country. With interest rates expected to start rising in earnest this year, that pain can be expected to intensify horribly.
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Over the coming months you will read and hear plenty of commentary from interested parties talking up the prospects for London’s property market. All of it will be bull.

London’s property market has not “plateaued”, nor has growth “cooled”. London property values are right now dropping like a stone and there is little to break the fall. Whisper it: 2018 will be the year smug Londoners finally stopped boring on about basement and loft conversions at smart dinner parties.

By the late summer, these same people will be weeping hot tears into cold gazpacho starters and moaning to anyone who’ll listen about negative equity. At long last, the crash has arrived.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-19/londons-property-crash-has-begun

Yeah actually I think people have a negative perception about zerohedge because they are quite ruthless about their opinion and nearly always bearish. That's not necessarily a bad thing in the modern "this time is different" crash cycles we keep going through as the mainstream media charges blindly into recession after recession.

There are similar symptoms in housing markets around the world right now. Too much money came into it too quickly, and now it's showing signs of faltering. There's not a guarantee anymore and I personally would stay out of it. Maybe a nice holiday home on the coast somewhere quiet might be a good investment, just because there are no other people around there.
4  Economy / Economics / Re: Facebook shares price fell -24% on: August 17, 2018, 09:18:53 PM
Facebook posted shitty gains and much lower than expected new users. People are going elsewhere because it's a dead platform.
I like your attitude. 

Looks like FB rebounded somewhat and is now $180.  As I said in a previous post, I don't watch FB like I did when it first came out and I was surprised when I took a look at it recently--it has a P/E of about 28.  While Warren Buffet might not touch a stock with a multiple that high, it's nowhere near where I thought it was.  Facebook actually has decent earnings, and I own some stocks with higher P/Es than where FB is at.  When you think about how insane the internet stock boom of the 90s and early '00s was, FB isn't in that same category.  Very, very few of those old internet companies had any earnings at all.  Some of them didn't even have any revenue, just a stupid business plan that appealed to the venture capitalists!

That said, there's no way I'd buy FB stock.  I'm not sure they're going to die, because I still see a lot of people who can't pry their eyes away from their smartphones because they're on Facebook.  There's definitely that addictive quality there that you find in products like tobacco, and there's a lot to be said for that.  Plus I think they're expanding the scope of their business through some acquisitions if I'm not mistaken.  The bottom line is that they don't pay a dividend and may never.  Most tech companies don't, which means you don't get any income from owning the stock.  That's distasteful to me.

Yeah if I wanted something that didn't pay dividends I'd buy futures contracts on commodities. It's quite pointless to be spending so much on stocks and not get anything back but speculation.

One other thing I saw today is the government is looking to get Facebook to break their encryption for criminal probes, which got me thinking that a lot of the speculative money behind them is probably coming from government associates. They're probably being propped up as they are the most valuable source of information available these days.

But they have been diversifying, for sure. Instagram is the new social media of choice, which they own. Advertisers prefer it too, so they must be getting lots of revenue from it.
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can you stop calling Bitcoin an investment? on: August 15, 2018, 06:39:15 PM
If Bitcoin had a fixed value the majority wouldn't use it as their investment nor as a currency. Bitcoin could be used for the main reasons it was created for. People in need of an alternate currency for cross-border payments, free from any authority. Unbanking all of us to get a total control over our money. The idea of a cryptocurrency originated from anarchists.

And considering Bitcoin as an investment, sorry but there are better investments with your bank and much fewer risks.
I would rather prefer to earn a 6% per annum than to lose 400% in  2 months.

If Bitcoin was just intended to be a payment system why did Satoshi not just create something like Tether?

I posted in a discussion on this theme recently:

[Discussion]How to decentralize the price of the bitcoin? Self-moderated.

It is my opinion that the decentralisation of money creation and supply is more important to Bitcoin than just being a trustless Visa or Paypal.

PS. This is an interesting subject but it is really difficult to discuss with all this signature spam. It is time to make all threads in Bitcoin Discussion self-moderated.

Yeah I think that the original purpose of bitcoin was not just as a transaction vehicle but also to be a tool for people. That's why there's no reason to be getting upset about calling it an investment, although I would agree that it does make it vulnerable for the wall street vampires to sink their fangs into.

Bitcoin turning into a visa or paypal system would spell the doom for it. Then it'd probably be made into a fractional reserve system so the bankers can wipe their asses with futures contracts written in millions and billions of bitcoins. Bastards.
6  Economy / Economics / Re: Is there manipulation of sharks ? on: August 14, 2018, 05:10:36 PM
HSBC was involved in $100,000,000,000 money laundering in 2015. Price manipulation at the highest level in possible.

Huge amounts of money can be sent for illegal activities.
So in your opinion how it affect Bitcoin and Cryptocurrecy market ?, It make Cryptocurrency price rise or make they are prevented by government ?.
I want to know all of your opinion to gain experience and lesson in this market
Thank you Smiley

I think we already have gotten answer to this one, government dont like people using bitcoin for the illegal activities and they stated to ban it even there was no proof collected about it. However government stayed firm on their decision that bitcoin is being used that way and they banned it in many parts. Then after they gotten the proof that bitcoin was actually being used for the money laundering purpose and thus got involved into the illegal stuff. Not much far, they sooner exposed that its being blacked out in the dark web and being used for worst activities.

So the output of this discussion is, its not just the sharks and whales who are manipulating the market but dark site money driving force is also taking long part in this manipulation because they drive crazy money into them and sell off quickly.

Yeah and those bastards don't need crypto to do their own dirty work, they can just fly planes full of cash over when they need to send black market money somewhere. Then they just print more of the shit and make taxpayer foot the bill. If it's that easy, why would they need to do it with crypto?

Crypto represents more of a threat to their established authority than an opportunity. That's why the market cap is still so small. If it was really a tool they wanted to use for themselves, they would be pumping more money into it. But instead it is a danger, not just because of money laundering but because of subverting the banks.
7  Economy / Economics / Re: Facebook shares price fell -24% on: August 12, 2018, 06:32:15 PM
I do not see FB dying anytime soon.

They are doing major changes to their platform to keep the users engaged. Also, they keep adding acquiring other popular social networks so as to increase their user base. Mark Zucerberg is still young and has lot of energy and passion to keep FB moving forward. However, platforms like Twitter are not going to last long if they do not take some major steps to control spam.

Changes like what? I heard they wanted to roll out a dating platform. Wouldn't that be something! Facebook becoming the new Tinder.

Denying crypto adverts is not a big enough reason to cause a 25% selloff on Wall Street. They could care less if a platform has such ads.

Cambridge Analytica is old news. That happened several months ago.

Facebook posted shitty gains and much lower than expected new users. People are going elsewhere because it's a dead platform.
8  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will BTC reach 10k$ at this time? on: August 11, 2018, 12:21:44 PM
BTC is trying to grow up and I think BTC correction period is over and it is time to break all previous record and finally reach new value. So guya what's your perdition about BTC?! Please explain your perdition.
:'(Well its really disappointing if we observe the movement of bitcoin Cry . Btc is falling down day by day as it was $6.5k yesterday and today its just $6.1k. Really unsatisfying.  But as per my predictions, btc will hit $10k in 1-2 months and after that ,at the end of the year btc will surpass $20k. Let's see what happens.

Where do you get these numbers from? I certainly hope you're right, but how do you know it will go up this high? What data are you using or what information makes you think this?

It's really hard to predict bitcoin because no one knows what can happen next. It's the most unpredictible thing in the world right now. Too many things can affect it and any time. Overall it is quite optimistic though because it is valued by many investors and is a useful way to send money.
9  Economy / Speculation / Re: ETF postponed creates another dip on: August 10, 2018, 03:43:09 AM
This sensational fuss over the ETF is borderline lunacy. It's just another reason to jerk the price around and stop out everyone who hid under the 7000 level or wherever. I'm getting sick and tired of these 30,000 by Dec / 50,000 by Oct / 100,000,000 by 2020 forecasts. How in the hell can anyone have a true idea of what the coin's value is going to be if there are no fundamental values to base a judgement on? Forecasters have a hard enough time doing it even when the values do exist.

This dip is just another good reason to hang on and chill out. It's not the doom, and the ETF isn't the future.
ETF is crap. Bitcoin was created to be a mainstream currency and not to be a main stream investment(which I am afraid it already has). ETF eliminates the purpose of bitcoin. So fuck that shit.

I think the securitization of Bitcoin is bad news all around. It doesn't eliminate the purpose of Bitcoin, but it distracts from it. The protocol/network keeps chugging along no matter what. You won't see me treating ETF shares as sound money. It's paper based on trust.

But the problem is that society bows so heavily to authority. People will trust (and some Bitcoin folks around here already do trust) that "paper backing" is as good as real bitcoins. But this is inevitable. It's really not much different than counterfeiting coins in the traditional sense. Most people simply trust legal face value.

Re: the currency vs. investment dilemma: I think Bitcoin was created to be sound money. Money is only an investment insofar as Gresham's law ("bad money drives out good"). As long as our economies are dominated by freely printed and debased currencies, people will invest in BTC. There's no way around that.

So I guess we should expect these slimy derivative products to come to market as well. All we can do is preach the difference between real BTC and paper BTC.

Exactly. This is one more distraction serving elite interests that apparently is working very well, as we can see all around this forum. Bitcoin has a higher purpose than to be tied to paper contracts that have no intrinsic value. It is not meant to have institutional investors piling money into it like that. Not that we have any real way to stop it anyway.

But yes, this institutional face value will make it a valid form of investment in the eyes of many. Specifically those that are shy about the "legal ramifications" of bitcoin not being able to be settled in the court of law. So those that previously wouldn't touch bitcoin with a 30 foot pole will be able to sleep at night with an piece of paper to hold onto.
10  Economy / Speculation / Re: ETF postponed creates another dip on: August 08, 2018, 03:30:48 PM
This sensational fuss over the ETF is borderline lunacy. It's just another reason to jerk the price around and stop out everyone who hid under the 7000 level or wherever. I'm getting sick and tired of these 30,000 by Dec / 50,000 by Oct / 100,000,000 by 2020 forecasts. How in the hell can anyone have a true idea of what the coin's value is going to be if there are no fundamental values to base a judgement on? Forecasters have a hard enough time doing it even when the values do exist.

This dip is just another good reason to hang on and chill out. It's not the doom, and the ETF isn't the future.
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to get more profit? on: August 05, 2018, 12:51:01 PM
Do your "homework" to find the "hidden diamonds" nobody else has found yet;) That's the secret sauce... It is simple: the upside potential in good, yet undiscovered new ones is much greater than in the established ones. Upside multiples can be a totally different game. You just need to do your research carefully and don't trust ICO listing sites etc. because ratings can be bought. Careful research is very important to avoid scams and other low quality projects - don't trust anyone but your own research!


There will always be people trying to tell you that one altcoin is the future of money, a one way ticket to the moon, liquid diamond, a license to print money, blah blah blah. rainmonsoon is right, you need to read for yourself and learn. You don't know the truth until you dig, and if you can't find any information, there probably is no truth! Take the time to look at everyone involved and rank their trustworthiness on a piece of paper out of ten. Then you'll have a better understanding of your willingness to get into the risk.

A little bit of research can find you a lot of information. Also be aware that there are always negative spammers around too who like to stain the names of successful people too.
12  Economy / Speculation / Re: The rise of bitcoin continues on: August 04, 2018, 05:12:11 PM
Yeah it pushed past several resistances really quickly. I'm quite surprised at the degree of speed that it spiked through them. The 8500 level is a bit tougher though. If it can break through there, 9000 is the next one that could hold it for a bit.

It looks like consolidation right now though. No major movements up or down, just a faint shudder. The upside trends still hold strong but there looks like it is going to bounce off the 8000 level a few more times before thinking about heading up again.

Like someone mentioned above, it's interesting that the altcoins haven't followed suit.

I agree with you buddy. Bitcoin will definitely go down to 8000 before it will rise to 9000. And I am quite shocked to see the altcoins didn't follow. Im hoping everthing will rise this mid-August. I think when BTC price will go back to 8000, it is the best time to buy and HODL and sell after reaching 9000 as it is possible it will go back to 8500 after reaching 9000.

Now we're bouncing around the 7000 level... didn't quite expect this much of a retrace. I figured that 7500 would be the furthest it could drop because of that downtrend it broke through. Very often an asset will shoot through that trend, bounce off it a couple of times, and the skyrocket back up again.

But bitcoin does tend to pass through lines because it's makes such big movements. It's kind of like a Husky puppy with huge paws, slipping and sliding all over the place as it learns how to run. Hopefully it comes back up again here soon.
13  Economy / Economics / Re: What are the challenges for investment with Small capital? on: August 02, 2018, 02:36:30 PM
I want to know your opinion that what are main challenges for small investors in any type of business now a days, If he/she has nothing after his investment?


What do you mean by "has nothing after his investment"? Like hasn't made a profit yet? In that sense I would say that patience is a virtue, and all good things take some time to roll over. So if you haven't made a profit yet, either you're still in your early days and should wait a bit longer, or you're not doing it correctly and profit doesn't come because people aren't interested in your business, or the wrong choices were in investing, etc.

The main problem in my opinion is a small profit.

Small profit isn't the main problem but rather what we should expect as small capital comes with small profit. And with small capital we can lessen the risk and of course we can loss with just small and actually in investing we should start with this. Start small and just add some to it when you already profited, don't take risk in bigger investment when you know your capabilities and tolerance is just limited.
- Yes, small profits are not a problem, that is fair exchange, small capital will be small profits, many people never accept this, they always live in greed and dissatisfaction, until the end, they end up in a loss that they never thought of. And the biggest challenge that I think is that we will be limited in choosing goals and optimizing profits, we do not have much capital, we need to be more careful, more calculating, rather than reckless, so as you say, using small capital is suitable for newbies, helping them to recognize their scope and abilities

Yeah profit comes down to percentages, not values. So in a small business, if you're making $10 profit on a $2 investment, you're doing exceptionally well. Think about it in terms of how much you put in initially.
14  Economy / Economics / Re: Facebook shares price fell -24% on: July 31, 2018, 03:04:55 PM
This is what happens when you sell nothing and make millions doing it. Zuckerburg has really backed himself into a corner this time. The problem with Facebook is marketers are sick and tired of having to try and outsmart the algorithm. It's such a headache trying to build an organic following on Facebook. And nearly all of Instagram is bots these days.

The average lifespan of a company on the S&P is about 10 years or so. And the NASDAQ? Much worse, I'd imagine. The only reason Facebook has been surviving so long is because they sell the data.
15  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will BTC reach 10k$ at this time? on: July 30, 2018, 05:51:35 PM
I see a pretty firm support around the 8000 level, but I think there's also some heavy resistance at 8500. So a strong move past either of those would validate the next step. Fundamentally, there's every reason in the world to keep moving up. Trade wars, currency devaluation, gold losing value, etc. But it seems like it's really struggling to push up higher.

Even at this moment it's crashing down past 8000. This doesn't mean all is lost and we're crashing back down to 5000--yet. It could be an attempt to loosen up the market by a big player (they often try to swing the value a few points before entering a massive order in the other direction), or a selloff. We'll have to wait a bit and see.
16  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can you stop calling Bitcoin an investment? on: July 29, 2018, 09:10:10 PM
Bitcoin was used as a digital currency since from the start. But this become a failure because there's a problem regarding on mass adoption and government acceptance due to its features. But still bitcoin had achieved an increasing value when some other countries are starting to use it as a mode of payment for commodities, services and some converted it to fiats. Due to its high market value, bitcoin was already considered as an investment and asset. They used as an investment because bitcoin has a huge increase of value every year. Big investors come and buy a lot of bitcoins in the market for the profit they can get from it. Bitcoin with its features made itself as an investment nowadays. And we have nothing to do when crypto community already call bitcoin as an investment.

Yeah well even though it was used quite widely as a currency at the beginning, most of it was through the silk road, as mentioned above. This unfortunately gave it a bad image and that's why there has been no mass adoption. Lawyers aren't too keen on it because of the potential darkside it has. Accountants don't see it as tangible so are a bit wary to call it an asset. Common people believe it could disappear into thin air at any given moment because of the sensationalized press coverage of a few minor hacks. Therefore the people who are using it widely are more in it for investment purposes, perhaps out of greed, perhaps out of desire to support the blockchain concept, perhaps out of a desire to stick it to the man
17  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Why is bitcoin price so stable in 2018? on: July 28, 2018, 10:05:34 PM
I think that the price of crypto currencies is relatively stable now that the crypto currency market needs to recover a bit after a very rapid growth. Starting in the autumn, we are likely to see another wave of price increases.

Yes exactly, that's what I see as well. There's no possible way that a market can shoot up thousands of percentile and keep going unflinching, no matter how fundamentally strong it is. It takes time to recover, and everything that goes up must come down again. Not necessarily all the way down, but far enough down to regain energy for the next move upwards. It's as simple as a wave. We go up for a long period of time until it cannot support itself any longer, then drop down and wait until the time is right for another shot up.
18  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can you stop calling Bitcoin an investment? on: July 27, 2018, 10:13:48 PM
Can you stop calling Bitcoin an investment?

This damages the cryptocurrency. Bitcoin was not created to become an investment. Before Bitcoin, there were some digital currencies years back, the goal was always to be able to create a (digital) currency free from central banks and governments.
Cypherpunks and other anarcho-capitalists are at the origin of this idea, perhaps 20 or 30 years ago. None were intended to make an investment to be rich quickly.
You won't find in the white paper "investing" mentioned, you won't find any post from Satoshi mentioning it

Considering Bitcoin as an investment, this is the reason why we have more and more regulations, G20 summits and others craps, KYC, etc...
The word "Crypto-assets" didn't exist before, why did they create it? Because you even consider it an investment, then why shouldn't they?
Bitcoin could be a lot more accepted and used by now. Why should a merchant agree to be paid in Bitcoin? He wants money, not a piece of your investment.

You're not even investing, you are just gambling with money.
Go to the altcoins board, you will surely find plenty of ICOs where you can say you invested in. I have something for you, ICOs used to raise money are no different than "Crowdfunding". If you want to invest then there are a lot of Crowdfunding websites where you can invest in real startups with fewer risks, (you won't find any project using photos from Pixabay...)

Why don't we see cryptographers anymore? Guess the reasons

Sorry man, but it's just more valuable as a store of wealth right now than a form of instant transactions. While I do agree with you and support your cause, I cannot say that bitcoin is a practical currency at this stage, and therefore is not something that I would see myself going to a merchant with to do business (unless of course it is regarding a service and the merchant can wait patiently for the coins to come through).

But in terms of daily services, the network that is fundamental to bitcoin cannot actually function to the level of other competitors, namely visa and mastercard. Myself, I'd much rather put cash on the table because I see it as the instant transaction of value. When I can put bitcoin on the table in the same manner, I will adopt it unrelentingly.
19  Economy / Speculation / Re: The rise of bitcoin continues on: July 26, 2018, 11:54:58 AM
Yeah it pushed past several resistances really quickly. I'm quite surprised at the degree of speed that it spiked through them. The 8500 level is a bit tougher though. If it can break through there, 9000 is the next one that could hold it for a bit.

It looks like consolidation right now though. No major movements up or down, just a faint shudder. The upside trends still hold strong but there looks like it is going to bounce off the 8000 level a few more times before thinking about heading up again.

Like someone mentioned above, it's interesting that the altcoins haven't followed suit.
20  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you approve this strategy: sell alts buy btc? on: July 25, 2018, 07:13:28 PM
Personal opinion, I don't think this strategy must be followed. There are coins which is good in many aspect if compared to Bitcoin. And if we see this for long run, those and many altcoins have greater chance to flourish. I don't want to enter the speculation about surpassing Bitcoin, nobody can guarantee that, but I believe these coins will give a good return, and if you compare the percentage of return with Bitcoin, you will see a good difference.

Yeah true enough. It's hard to speculate on these things, but I wouldn't be putting all of my bets on the Bitcoin and ignoring the rest. There are lots of other good things on the go out there too. Altcoins are hard to sift through because there are so many, but if you take care and look through them enough, there are bound to be many worth investing in. Especially ones that are linked to real world purposes or causes.

No investment strategy should follow an "all-in-one" approach. That's just dangerous.
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