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Economy / Gambling / Re: Impossible KYC Requirements - Stake.com - Withholding $6000 USD
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on: July 01, 2023, 04:14:21 AM
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What a nightmare! I didn't even know you needed all this stuff for an online casino. To combat money laundering, I suppose? How much is the minimum? If you bet 10 and win 1000, do you still have to make a kyc?
Yes, these are AML Compliance measures, and measures to combat the "financing of terrorism" in general. In general, you also have minimum wages, and you can't withdraw money immediately after a deposit. Often, for online casinos, you need to have gambled between 15% and 30% of your deposit for your withdrawal to be accepted without concern. KYC depends more on the regulators (ANJ in France - as you are French, but it could be BGC in Belgium for example, no matter), and the laws they apply. A casino regulated in the Cayman Islands will not have the same KYC / POA / EDD policy as one regulated in the UK. Unregulated casinos sometimes ask for documents too, on a case-by-case basis. As regulators and local laws become increasingly complex to avoid, and the penalties incurred are very heavy for casinos that don't comply, it doesn't surprise me that we've seen a general tightening of these measures in recent years. When a casino asks for endless KYC it's rarely(never actually) because of AML compliance measures. If they had concerned about that, they would have asked him to complete KYC once he had deposited his funds, not when he wants to withdraw them. Weirdly we never see them asking KYC++ to losers, they never need more documents to take our money when we lose...  Sadly Willowbitcoin seems to be a winner, and has been flagged as good bettor(sport bettor I guess), so they will find the most ridiculous excuses to not pay him. It is a legitimate account so I was more worried about account sustainability and getting limited rather than having my balance "stolen". I never considered it a possibility. The annoying this is, I had plenty of opportunities to withdraw as that figure represents a grind over time from a $750 deposit to $6000 ( helped by bitcoin appreciation )
Im sure the OP bet on sports and he was a winner. .. Actually i dont think it has anything to do with AML. i noticed when someone bet on spoelrts large amounts or won large amounts in sports then they start a lot of KYC things. I dont know what nature of deal a casino or stake specially habe with the sports odds provider probably its a revenue share deal so this KYC comes from the sports provider same as Rollbit a lot of issue with Rollbit banning custumers and most of that customers bet on sports and winners . it makes me believe its the sports odd provider who flag the accounts. While some guys who bet on inhouse games rarely get a KYC triggered. Same as in Primedice its also owned by Stake but they never required any KYC even for large amounts and its also a curacao regulated. So you guys stop talking about AML. This is a very sharp post. I don't think this case has to do with AML. |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: Bet999.io
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on: June 28, 2023, 01:35:19 AM
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This thread looks funny to me because it seems more of a joke than something serious because I see no reason why someone just hops into the forumwith an Ann thread that looks jovial and then disappears right away, that is disheartening and one thing I know for sure is that the forum has helped my gambling life so well that I have to look up every casino I wish to try first in the forum to know if they have an active team or a representative over here because I wouldn't want to fall victim of any form of scam out of my personal ignorance.
Whatever the case might be, this thread has been dormant for a long time and im sorry you're having this issue and I hope.you get it resolved soon.
You can find books that are safe here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0 |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS since 2014 : KYC Rankings, Bonuses, Support
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on: June 27, 2023, 02:10:25 AM
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bit555.io seems to be gone with player funds...website does not load anymore. Edit: Same goes for mysticbets.io and bitgame.com
Regarding betplay.io I must submit excellent feedback: very friendly in livechat, super quick payouts and zero KYC despite fairly big winnings for me so far.
Congrats on the winnings at betplay.io. Thanks for the updates on the 4 books. Really appreciate the input. Hate to see 3 more books gone. It seems two got away with money while one paid. Bit555.io (2022) downgraded from "D" to "F" mysticbets.io (2022)downgraded from "D" to "F" bitgame.com (2015) downgraded from "D-" to "F" Note to all: Only "A" and "B" books are recommended. Stay away from "D" books. |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: Which are best stake alternatives
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on: June 23, 2023, 01:23:48 AM
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its not clear list, here aren't fortunejack, betzus, and simmilar casinos. Fortune Jack is B- and Betzus isn't rated but listed as NR. 48 crypto books are rated, 10 aren't rated (most opened in 2023), 44 listed as F that have either closed or are scam books. Two posts were needed because of the size of the table. If you see a book not listed please post in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0 |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS since 2014 : KYC Rankings, Bonuses, Support
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on: June 19, 2023, 07:16:47 PM
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Coingambling has reported to a moderator here at bitcointalk that I'm lying about him in calling him a Professional Gambler. Here are his words: Hello,
I would like to inform you that my Piwi247 account got blocked today as their game provider are currently investigating my account.
Had a deposit last Saturday of around 10k€ and ran really hot on the exchange on multiple tennis players backing/laying them in consecutive matches.
All the markets I had won big had a decent liquidity on Betfair between 100k€-1 mio. € and all bets got graded by Betfair.
I was transparent right from the start with Piwi247 and I was not scared of hiding the fact that I am a professional gambler.
I also offered them that I will explain my thought process behind each bet in detail to show my support on the investigation - so far no response on this offer.
I will keep you guys updated about the progress. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5169089.msg61883270#msg61883270How do you know my situation has not changed since then? Do you have a proof that as of June I was still a professional gambler? you are a very dishonest person whether it be a complete lie or lie by omission. I really don't care what you have to say or who you report me to. edit 1 : It wasn't my intent to post back to back within 24 hours but Coingambler deleted his post "How do you know my situation has not changed since then? Do you have a proof that as of June I was still a professional gambler?" |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS since 2014 : KYC Rankings, Bonuses, Support
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on: June 19, 2023, 07:11:33 PM
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Coingambling has reported to a moderator here at bitcointalk that I'm lying about him in calling him a Professional Gambler. Here are his words: Hello,
I would like to inform you that my Piwi247 account got blocked today as their game provider are currently investigating my account.
Had a deposit last Saturday of around 10k€ and ran really hot on the exchange on multiple tennis players backing/laying them in consecutive matches.
All the markets I had won big had a decent liquidity on Betfair between 100k€-1 mio. € and all bets got graded by Betfair.
I was transparent right from the start with Piwi247 and I was not scared of hiding the fact that I am a professional gambler.
I also offered them that I will explain my thought process behind each bet in detail to show my support on the investigation - so far no response on this offer.
I will keep you guys updated about the progress. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5169089.msg61883270#msg61883270 |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS since 2014 : KYC Rankings, Bonuses, Support
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on: June 18, 2023, 06:08:27 PM
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Coingambling, thanks for bringing this to the attention of the thread. Betcoin says that it's just under review at this point. No decision has been made. I wouldn't worry too much. Betcoin is a strong book. So a strong book is confiscating a 7,xk USD balance stating it is clear that the player has violated the Terms of use and does not provide any proof behind the accusation despite multiple people asking for it? If this is a strong book then what is a weak book? I was in contact with Betcoin. Nothing has been confiscated. As I said in your thread, your case is still under review. As I also said in your thread, all rating guides here at BCT have Betcoin and Nitrobetting as #1 or #2. That’s a strong book. It’s not just my opinion. Post number 2 here under other resources shows other guides. I’ve just been made aware of this and this seems reasonable. Edit - I just read your thread, got my answer so made an edit here. Edit 2 - case going to mediation. I wish you would have waited since you were going to get your deposit back and now it's all or nothing. You are a professional gambler that was going to get his deposit back at worst pending review. That scenario is no longer possible. Everything that we have said prior about you getting the deposit back, as long as there are not multiple accounts will be null and void. https://i.imgur.com/L6ZNlmL.jpg |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD balance
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on: June 18, 2023, 02:56:18 PM
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In the meantime, our reputation as one of the most trusted bitcoin sportsbooks speaks for itself
I would like to comment on this aswell. I have taken myself the time now and checked the last six scam accusation pages on Bitcointalk. On these six pages, the name of your company came across five times. With the amount of bookmakers out there, this is quite a major percentage. So you are in no position anymore to say you have a reputation "as one of the most trusted bitcoin sportsbooks". I am not able to speak on these other cases of course, I am sure people do wrong staff. But I can speak for myself and I have never violated your Terms of Services, your accusations are simply lies and by now, no proof was shown from your side what could have valid leave the impression that I am using any software. Coingambling - The only reason that I'm jumping in here is that you linked this thread from mine. I rarely stray from my thread. It looks like your account is just under review right now. I'm not taking a side either way at this point but will mention what other guides say about Betcoin. If you look at the bottom of the 2nd page here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0 , you'll find other resources. I'll post it below. All the guides are pretty much in agreement that Nitrobetting and Betcoin are rated #1 or #2. Emotions understandably run high in these types of disputes but I wouldn't worry too much at this point. Other sources: Current rating guide by 100bookies https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5158369.0 https://100bookies.com/cryptocurrency-sportsbooks-eng/Current rating guide by cryptogamingrevu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419723.0 https://cryptogamingrevu.com/Ratings by Bitedge https://bitedge.com/crypto-sportsbook-reviews/#top-crypto-sportsbooksOld rating thread by RyanK https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577102.0Old rating thread by Frue Greeds https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1820529.0This includes all rating sportsbook guides here at bitcointalk. It's not selective. |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: What is the name of this bookie ?
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on: June 15, 2023, 08:14:13 PM
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ralle probably right but my other guess would have been Fortune Jack although I haven't made a bet there in a little while so not sure since I haven't looked at a bet slip in some time. Just going from memory.
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Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS since 2014 : KYC Rankings, Bonuses, Support
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on: June 14, 2023, 06:34:30 AM
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I'm glad that you mentioned Fortunejack because that is one of the books that I've been debating on their KYC ranking. That may be changed. Anonibet hasn't done any KYC that I know of and their rating is 1, the lowest degree of KYC.
FortuneJack should have at least 2 ratings in the KYC part. Their KYC policy isn’t limited to the restricted jurisdiction only, they also apply this to new users who take the deposit, free spin or reload bonuses. Anonibet team had confirmed it to me that they don't request for any kind of personal documents. '1' in the KYC part stands for a little chance while the KYC requirement is 'zero' on Anonibet. For your Betcoin question ~snip~
I had positive experience on Betcoin.ag partner casino (Playbetr). I also have good experience of playing at Betcoin. But you can't deny that they reserves the right to ask the user to complete the KYC verification at any time, and for any reason. Anyway, you can link my thread under the resources if you wish. I don't have any problem with that. You look like some kind of a commissioner. Anonibet doesn't pay at all, they shouldn't have a rating at all. Read my posts about them, and read other users' posts as well. You are on the forum for so long and you have so many posts and do not know this about this office, you are exactly the same as Anonibet, you are a scammer. They were downgraded based upon your case. "C-" is appropriate as "C" books aren't recommended. This goes back to 2014. They were once the top rated book and slowly declined. They were the only "A" rated book at one time. "A" rated books
Anonibet A (2011) : Earn up to 10% of your losses each month.
"B"rated books
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Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS since 2014 : KYC Rankings, Bonuses, Support
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on: June 13, 2023, 09:12:07 PM
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I'm glad that you mentioned Fortunejack because that is one of the books that I've been debating on their KYC ranking. That may be changed. Anonibet hasn't done any KYC that I know of and their rating is 1, the lowest degree of KYC.
FortuneJack should have at least 2 ratings in the KYC part. Their KYC policy isn’t limited to the restricted jurisdiction only, they also apply this to new users who take the deposit, free spin or reload bonuses. Anonibet team had confirmed it to me that they don't request for any kind of personal documents. '1' in the KYC part stands for a little chance while the KYC requirement is 'zero' on Anonibet. For your Betcoin question ~snip~
I had positive experience on Betcoin.ag partner casino (Playbetr). I also have good experience of playing at Betcoin. But you can't deny that they reserves the right to ask the user to complete the KYC verification at any time, and for any reason. Anyway, you can link my thread under the resources if you wish. I don't have any problem with that. You make valid points on FJ and Anonibet. I changed KYC ratings accordingly. As far as Betcoin, they do not do it for any reason. They do it for abuse for multi-accounting only and they have been correct every time they went to arbitration. This is why I pointed out that written rules do not equal what actually happens and you have to do research instead of just looking at ToS. You can go back 7 years when that wasn’t the case but that’s their current policy. Do not use a VPN at Betcoin and you won’t have any problems. Take their bonuses and don’t use a VPN. |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: Information of Crypto Casinos License and KYC requirements
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on: June 13, 2023, 06:19:26 PM
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@Peeps Place, I was following the discussion between you and 'Darker45' about my KYC related topic. You have said this in your last post Some of the information in KYC details is incorrect. I'm not sure if he got the information from the terms of service but what is written down and what actually happens isn't always the same.
I haven't updated the 'KYC details' column for a long time, but those were the requirements when I added the casinos in the list. Now the casinos are asking for different kind of documents to verify the source of funds of the users, and I'm aware of it. Even some casinos are requesting the user to complete the identity verification by making a video call if they suspect that the user has submitted fake or edited documents. I will try to adjust those informations on my next update. Apart from these, is there more incorrect details in the 'KYC details' column? Hi Mahdirakib - thanks for the post in my thread. I also said that your licenses were correct and that your thread is a great resource. In fact, I was going to ask if you minded if I linked your thread to my other resource section. As far as the KYC details being somewhat off, I'll mention the top two books I have rated Betcoin and Nitrobetting since they are heavily vetted because of their ratings. Also, you mentioned Betcoin in my thread. In your thread here Nitrobetting is omitted. The only real concern of your thread here is that books such as Betcoin are in the same category as the others "if needed" although their KYC is different. They only KYC if you use multiple accounts. They don't punish people based on guessed jurisdiction unless they use multiple accounts to abuse bonuses or circumvent limits. In fact, Betcoin agrees to third party arbitration and has never lost a case. I would put Nitrobetting in that same category. Other casinos seem to target winners and then punish using jurisdiction. They confiscate winnings or both deposit and winnings. Losers are left alone. It's crooked in my book and I'm not going to put any book using those tactics in the "A" category. Your thread is excellent. The best here as far as licenses and I'd like to link it if fine with you. I'll link under other resources https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0I think that a lot is changing in the casino policy in terms of establishing requirements for passing KYC identity verification. This policy, in particular due to recent events with lawsuits against Binance and Coinbase, will certainly tighten. And while the anonymity of a player in a casino where payments are made in cryptocurrencies is the main advantage of such casinos and a much needed feature for millions of players who require anonymity, KYC requirements are increasingly being used in a real game. Including in the casino, where the administration of the casino did not set this requirement before. Almost all casinos have become afraid of violating the requirements of local regulators, who only do what they see what else American regulators come up with. Alas, for objectivity, you need to periodically review the TOS of the casino in the part of the introduction of KYC and OP will be very good if you follow the changes and mark it in your table. To keep the data in the table up to date. And the table is generally excellent and useful to many. You may be right on Coinbase and Binance but I feel a little differently since they were sued by the United States. My feeling is that the US doesn't dictate anything in CR or Curacao. People may be sued when they enter the US but that doesn't change anything in CR or Curacao. There are a couple of books in Costa Rica, Nitrobetting and Betcrypto. They are pretty easy going with KYC unless you use multiple accounts or bet from the country of CR. |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS since 2014 : KYC Rankings, Bonuses, Support
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on: June 13, 2023, 06:01:12 AM
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Your thread looks pretty good now with the new updates, but I can't agree with the KYC rating of Betcoin and FortuneJack. The KYC verification requirement is common (at least medium requirement) on every Curacao licensed casino, while you have given '1' rating for those two casinos. Where the '1' stands for very little chance. I'm wondering why you have given '1' rating for Anonibet! Has Anonibet ever asked for any kind of personal documents from anyone? BTW, don't forget to give me a reply here. I'm glad that you mentioned Fortunejack because that is one of the books that I've been debating on their KYC ranking. That may be changed. Anonibet hasn't done any KYC that I know of and their rating is 1, the lowest degree of KYC. For your Betcoin question, I'll post the same reply as was given in your thread: Hi Mahdirakib - thanks for the post in my thread. I also said that your licenses were correct and that your thread is a great resource. In fact, I was going to ask if you minded if I linked your thread to my other resource section. As far as the KYC details being somewhat off, I'll mention the top two books I have rated Betcoin and Nitrobetting A+ since they are heavily vetted because of their ratings. Also, you mentioned Betcoin in my thread. In your thread here Nitrobetting is omitted. The only real concern of your thread here is that books such as Betcoin are in the same category as the others "if needed" although their KYC is different. They only KYC if you use multiple accounts. They don't punish people based on guessed jurisdiction unless they use multiple accounts to abuse bonuses or circumvent limits. In fact, Betcoin agrees to third party arbitration and has never lost a case. I would put Nitrobetting in that same category. Other casinos seem to target winners and then punish using jurisdiction. They confiscate winnings or both deposit and winnings. Losers are left alone. It's crooked in my book and I'm not going to put any book using those tactics in the "A" category. Your thread is excellent. The best here as far as licenses and I'd like to link it if fine with you. I'll link under other resources https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0To add a little not in your thread, if you ever have a concern about jurisdiction or KYC, contact the book and ask if it's ok to play there. Do this in confidence as sometimes it's best to do that way for the individual case. Ask about VPN use since both those books don't like it. They know you aren't using multiple accounts if you aren't using a VPN. If you contact the book and get the ok to play there, you have recourse if they decide to use jurisdiction to confiscate your money. |
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