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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 18, 2014, 09:11:00 AM
Now let's hope the history repeats itself from 2 months ago. If so, in 12 days it will be back to 0.02 Tongue

Still a good opportunity to buy some if you can afford it. Should be heading for LTC parity anyway in the coming days...
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Uncensored XC thread on: May 31, 2014, 10:36:27 PM

The testnet block explorer was up for hours and verified by comm members:
http://www.reddit.com/r/XCofficialreddit/comments/26yubh/block_explorer_for_yesterdays_test/

The only reason it was taken down is because testing is now over for the new wallet release tomorrow.  

So by reading the timestamps in the reddit thread, the block explorer was active for around an hour then taken down? Hard to verify anything within an hour. What's the use of it if it was just active for an hour or perhaps not even up at all since everyone complains in that thread that it didn't work.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 31, 2014, 10:15:53 PM

Can I download the wallet software used in the video? No, it's been provided only to "trusted" xc community members
Can I use that wallet software with my own coins? No, only on testnet according to the video.
Can I use the block explorer you've linked to? No, it's down.
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC][OFFICIAL] >> Mandatory Wallet Update - The first POS ANON on: May 30, 2014, 07:01:38 PM
Let me guess the outcome. "Trusted" community members are going to conclude that the implementation works remarkably well, followed by a bunch of screenshots, tweets and blog posts. Regular Joe however won't get access to any instructions or wallet to verify that himself.

So to prove that this is sketchy let's take evtrmm's screenshot as reference:

one more per ATC


launch wallet in testnet
> qtx11coin-qt.exe -testnet

launch debug window after syncing

type

> gettransaction f7fabf4bad77f39ecf833cf4b45eb371d41bf57f49c3ef05113ebf2f268ce73a

it's going to list the transaction info in json

{
  "txid": "f7fabf4bad77f39ecf833cf4b45eb371d41bf57f49c3ef05113ebf2f268ce73a",
  "version": 1,
  "time": 1401474653,
  "locktime": 0,
  "vin": [
    {
      "txid": "d9b24d42f453c360ca48a81903f870eebaacf7e1e8250c10a58b67ea6a39ed5d",
      "vout": 0,
      "scriptSig": {
        "asm": "3046022100bad59b019c4c608b035f1981ee77f2412f897358a505e298754178995518225f02210 0b5d9f86172846052ebd6e554fb5eb66b08ea3ca38a6dac5be6f991adf0a5590501 02b63c16b0e918c690c218494511866c560ba66ed227199334ccac9534e3740706",
        "hex": "493046022100bad59b019c4c608b035f1981ee77f2412f897358a505e298754178995518225f022 100b5d9f86172846052ebd6e554fb5eb66b08ea3ca38a6dac5be6f991adf0a55905012102b63c16 b0e918c690c218494511866c560ba66ed227199334ccac9534e3740706"
      },
      "sequence": 4294967295
    }
  ],
  "vout": [
    {
      "value": 789.170554,
      "n": 0,
      "scriptPubKey": {
        "asm": "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 b0921e5ffc3ff824b3e572af580e7e7cc7ee5d9a OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG",
        "hex": "76a914b0921e5ffc3ff824b3e572af580e7e7cc7ee5d9a88ac",
        "reqSigs": 1,
        "type": "pubkeyhash",
        "addresses": [
          "mwcaGKQNeJGuaan2m1YQHfSoYJQV3ykiu5"
        ]
      }
    },
    {
      "value": 10.508227,
      "n": 1,
      "scriptPubKey": {
        "asm": "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 56c688c361d217cb62729f4d5131ce0e712cf2b6 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG",
        "hex": "76a91456c688c361d217cb62729f4d5131ce0e712cf2b688ac",
        "reqSigs": 1,
        "type": "pubkeyhash",
        "addresses": [
          "moRnEx9drbUXfzmpWUTj2woMkv1mSTbAYD"
        ]
      }
    }
  ],
  "blockhash": "000004f7a1466d9d84b7a9c4ff76b5f02cb4dc1474070ba8c5159e8ea64ebdf1",
  "confirmations": 75,
  "txntime": 1401474619
}

As you can see you can clearly see the values and addresses, so all the wallet does is replacing the sent from text field as 'unknown' in the GUI ... genius really.
With a proper block explorer one could hop around, otherwise it's inconvinient so most people won't even verify it in the wallet.
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Uncensored XC thread on: May 30, 2014, 03:17:50 PM
Did I understand it correctly, coin code (x11 + pos) was coded by a contractor, and "xcode" is coded by atcsecure?

Hiring a contractor to start your coin is ok in itself I guess, but what happens when you run into problems with the coin code and the contractor is fully booked for a week?

Do you seriously believe you need a "contractor" (how silly it sounds in this context) so that you can build on top of that your own implementation? It's money that is at stake, you need to control and understand the whole stack, you don't need anyone to do the ground work for you, if you do you are not capable of doing the rest yourself.
After all you want to be the first anonymous coin. With such a bold goal you should be able more than enough experienced to do everything yourself. No need for a "contractor".
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Uncensored XC thread on: May 30, 2014, 03:03:44 PM
Honestly it's already busted. Scam coin in the making.

http://www.reddit.com/r/XCofficialreddit/comments/26uf4g/dev_update_290514/churhky

You would think that a capable developer, who claims to implement such cutting edge features, as a decentralized anonymous transactions would not need to buy a coin.
A normal developer would fork an existing coin and start from there, at least this gives you ways to familiarize yourself with the codebase on the way along. The XC coin developer doesn't even know how to use Git (or uses it deliberately to hide things), there's no history of his commits, no information where the repository was forked from, etc. It's not surprising since he wants to hide the fact that the coin was bought which is embarassing so he pushes a new repository everytime there's a change. This makes it also difficult to see what changes (or any) been commited at all. So far there's zero code responsible for any anonymous transactions in the codebase. It's been three weeks since he bought the coin, if he was making any progress we would have seen some evidence in the repository.

What's worse is that things like Zerocoin are a year in the making and still not yet ready, these things are extremely difficult, but a guy who bought an entire coin claims to finish things which are competetive in a few weeks time. Such world class developer would not need to buy a coin implementation, why waste precious bitcoins. It's ridiciolous.

All the announcements like the peer reviews and his explainations were extremely vague and disappointing to say the least. Heck, there's no white paper, no outline whatsoever how his implementation is supposed to work. "It works" it's what we keep hearing.

"Anon" is hot these days, so no doubt that his 0.7 BTC investment in buying the coin implementation is going to pay off once he runs with the premine stash. That's the only loglcal conclusion from all this mess. Building hype is easy, delivering is hard. So far we've only seen hype and nothing else.

7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Uncensored XC thread on: May 30, 2014, 11:19:30 AM
So I am pasting this here since a legitimate question such as this cannot be asked in the XC thread and got immediatelly deleted by the moderators.

Here's a recent statement by the XC developer. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=630547.msg7027543#msg7027543

Quote
This completely decentralized solution is the objective of the REV2 release - each week, we will be releasing an update that improves on the previous release. I am looking forward to bringing this solution to the community and in parallel to this effort I am continuing to push into the other solutions previously mentioned. These other ideas and concepts require a business like mindset to be accomplished and bring to market. Those pieces will slowly come together over the next several months.

100% of my time & energy is focused into this vision, and making it a success. This is the reason why I have been less active online recently and I don't want to end up divorced over this as my wife says she hasn't seen me in over a month.

A lot has been accomplished in a very, very short amount of time, and its been an interesting adventure so far. I want to thank all of those who have helped make that happen. Rome wasn't built in a day but I'm confident in the solution and vision.

Thank You,

ATCSECURE

Why was the initial statement about working anonymous transactions and xnodes changed from three weeks time to "Those pieces will slowly come together over the next several months".

Wasn't the excitement about the coin and big price surge mainly due to the fact that the implementation was supposed to be in an advanced state already and ready to be released in just a few weeks?

Isn't the sudden change of the timeframe admitting to lying to the community and inverstors about the state the coin is?
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 30, 2014, 10:18:11 AM
I am going to make this statement one time, and one time only with no responses to any follow-up comments. Having worked for a major IT consulting/software development company in the Federal sector for over 15 years, and having in addition contributed to interview and hiring decision making processes, I can confidently say that "that other coin's" developer's resume does not have the necessary background to support cryptocurrency development. In other words, "that other developer" does not have the programming skill set, academic or professional, to develop a cryptocurrency. He may be a developer having worked on/completed multiple engagements over an extended period of time. But he is not a cryptocurrency developer. Now you go and make whatever conclusions you wish to make from this.

But does it matter if he gets help from someone who develops cryptos? Apparently he is collaborating / has collaborated with someone who does:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=249302


Cryptocoin expert loljosh appears to have a lot of coin development experience, and he could take care of the currency development, and atcsecure could concentrate on creating services, infrastructure, and marketing.

Lol if only this came out sooner you would have saved a lot of people money. So basically check loljosh's reviews every time a new alt comes out. Got it. OMFG this is bad. LOL

Sorry if I'm dumb, but would you mind explaining what you are implying?

atcsecure claims to be a skilled coder yet he needs to hire loljosh to dev his coin. He's a phony.

I guess this explains why the github repository has been deleted 3 times already. Every time there's an update pushed it's created from scratch. It's done to remove all commit history so it doesn't show the creators. So embarassing.

https://github.com/atcsecure/X11COIN
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC][OFFICIAL] >> Mandatory Wallet Update - The first POS ANON on: May 30, 2014, 12:21:04 AM
true

Yep, DRK is a good coin, but I dont think they realise the masternodes could be its biggest weakness not strength.. If the coin gets a very high value a masternode will need to be like fort knox.. One on Amazon has already been hacked... Owner lost 1000 DRK, so its not a laughing matter.

All you need is an encrypted wallet.dat with a reasonably long password. Doesn't matter if they copy it, they won't be able to decrypt it. In the case of the guy who lost his coins, he had left his password in bash history. The point is that he lost his coins the way people lose Bitcoins, there was nothing specific to masternodes.
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Uncensored XC thread on: May 30, 2014, 12:06:10 AM
Boy, I don't know how this puerile war will end, but this whole drama is even more entertaining than the Wolong Pandacoin scam. Shit is glorious!

I see similarities. Should have renamed XC to PandaCoin X11. Coincidentally the number woud perfectly reflect the 11th iteration of PandaCoin as there have been so many.
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Uncensored XC thread on: May 29, 2014, 11:48:48 PM
I think this thread needs to be retitled the DRK bashing XC thread....


Also With all the XC bashing going on claiming its all copied from DRK, and since there are so many DRK guys in here maybe you can answer these:

Is DRK's Anonymity 100% NSA proof and fully decentralized?

Has any independent review of the code been done to prove its Anonymity is free from vulnerabilities?

How is the Masternode Situation being fixed and what is the timeframe? ie in regards to securing from hacking as well as addressing the networking issues with denial of service attacks and anonymity when participation is either high or low?

If these issues haven't been proven or fixed yet, when both coins are working with a goal of creating 100%NSA proof Anonymity how can one be entirely copied?

That's it from me but why not just go back to supporting whatever coin you support in a Positive way, instead of bashing each others coins (Especially because I hold both)!
 

The thread was created to funnel xc discussions from the drk thread and drk discussions from the xc thread. No surprise it results in a lot of bashing.
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC][OFFICIAL] >> Mandatory Wallet Update - The first POS ANON on: May 29, 2014, 10:35:30 PM
All it takes to witness the professionalism and expertise of the "peer reviewer" of the code is to take a glance on his main page and read a few paragraphs.
http://cryptopump.info/
If that's a trusted and respectable source that can do such judgments as declaring anything secure then I am madonna. I won't even mention the article and conclusion of the review, because that has to be the vaguest thing I have read in a long time.

With a premine IPO one could at least expect that those funds get spent properly. Guess not.
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC] >> Mandatory Update to new Wallet - The first POS ANON on: May 29, 2014, 05:48:24 PM
As I holder of a moderate amount of coins I would like to know if there will be a working Linux wallet being released?

Right now I am trying to compile the qt wallet using the modified qt script pro file provided in the last thread. But I am missing a whole bunch of include files e.g.

#include <QMainWindow>
#include <QSystemTrayIcon>

They just dont seem to exist.

I am definitely a long time supporter of X11 Coin and believe we have a bright future, I have never been very rich and I invested the last of my savings ($5k) leftover from a riser cable selling business which was killed by asics. This coin will probably save me from a life of hardship so I owe a lot to it and I really like the anonymous tech that this coin will bring but right now I am really worried about having my coins kept on a Windows wallet in case I get a virus which my Anti-virus software doesn’t spot.

I would appreciate it if someone can point me in the right direction with regards to how I can successfully compile this wallet. Or am I better off just compiling the Windows one and running it on Cygwin? I bought a whole new laptop to run on Linux especially to keep my precious coins.

You are lucky to have cloned the source of the wallet, as it seems it's been entirely removed now and is not accessible.
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC] >> Mandatory Update to new Wallet - The first POS ANON on: May 29, 2014, 05:40:07 PM
The community manager is named Dan... The developer is supposedly named Dan too... Coincidence?

So I was going to setup the X11Coin wallet on my linux box, I go visit the github repo and what I see? Entire repository was deleted. Can't get the source of the wallet.

https://github.com/atcsecure/X11COIN

Either dev has problems with using a DVCS or I don't know...
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC] >> Mandatory Update to new Wallet - The first POS X11 anonymous wallet on: May 29, 2014, 04:18:43 PM
So dev is citing publicly available sources claiming that it's him. Ok... But there's no need to defend accusations...
All it takes is to publish the source code as he promised, otherwise It's nothing but marketing gimmicks.
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC] >> Mandatory Update to new Wallet - The first POS X11 anonymous wallet on: May 29, 2014, 03:06:25 PM
Dev didn't work for homeland security, he worked for Homeland Security Wireless Inc. which is a communications technology company.

Seems like people know the devs' entire biography by heart. Cute. For all we know the dev could be Wolong unless there's real proof.
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC] >> Mandatory Update to new Wallet - The first POS X11 anonymous wallet on: May 29, 2014, 01:58:19 PM
I never said XC was a direct copy of Fedoracoin, just that both use a very similar mixing service.


This isn't true at all... XC code for the mixer was written from the ground up

So why is there no wallet available with the centralized mixing service? I understand that decentralization is still only in the plans via XNodes. Having at least part of the implementation available to testing would be a godsend.
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC] >> Mandatory Update to new Wallet - The first POS X11 anonymous wallet on: May 29, 2014, 01:43:08 PM
- How long has the coin been in development?

Is the start of the bitcointalk any indication of it's age? That would be very young, unless there's been ongoing development in the past. But there are no such hints in the github repository.

- When if is going to be code responsible for anonymising transaction released?

Currently the repository contains no traces of any code responsible for such features.

I've heard vague claims that the XNodes features are ought to be implemented in 3 weeks of time. That's a bold claim considering there's not even a binary release of a wallet containing such functionality.

There's not even an ongoing or planned testing phase announced by the developer or community. That's pretty crucial because lots of money is at stake. Do people really want to risk their assets in the near future? What if the implementation does not reach expectations? What if the implementation is flawed or exploitable? What if the implementation is not working? What happens when it's realesed (as claimed in 3 weeks) into the wild, to a 10$ million market. There's a reason why the likes of Zerocoin take months and are still not ready. 3 weeks is not even enough to write a moderately complex iPhone app.
Who is appointed to test and audit the code? Who is appointed to verify it?


 

Ifs can be said about all coins, including BTC.  Yes, there are risks.  Who says the dev has only been working on this for 3 weeks?

You are correct, but people put faith in currencies like BTC because they are established, well known and more importantly have been around for a long time. Had the developer been working on the coin longer than 3 weeks this would have reasurred me and many others that thing is legit. There's no indication of it though in the repository, though. I'd like to be proven wrong.

What I am worried is that as of today the coin is realistically speaking no different than the other PoS coins we've had in the recent months. Yes, planned functionality sets it apart, but it's just planned functionality without a concrete backing.

If nothing else, we actually know who the developer is.  He owns his own company and is putting his reputation at risk.  I think this alone sets it apart.

Can you link me a post, thread or twitter message or anything where the dev is revealing his identity?

What exactly are you trying to achieve? Ah, let me guess... you want to save people from losing their precious BTC. You are such a noble soul. Can you link me a post, thread or twitter message where you are revealing your identity?

Seems to be common knowledge who the developer is. Wouldn't it be good publicity to do an interview with him or something? So how come I can't find him mentioning anywhere his identity?
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC] >> Mandatory Update to new Wallet - The first POS X11 anonymous wallet on: May 29, 2014, 01:28:18 PM
- How long has the coin been in development?

Is the start of the bitcointalk any indication of it's age? That would be very young, unless there's been ongoing development in the past. But there are no such hints in the github repository.

- When if is going to be code responsible for anonymising transaction released?

Currently the repository contains no traces of any code responsible for such features.

I've heard vague claims that the XNodes features are ought to be implemented in 3 weeks of time. That's a bold claim considering there's not even a binary release of a wallet containing such functionality.

There's not even an ongoing or planned testing phase announced by the developer or community. That's pretty crucial because lots of money is at stake. Do people really want to risk their assets in the near future? What if the implementation does not reach expectations? What if the implementation is flawed or exploitable? What if the implementation is not working? What happens when it's realesed (as claimed in 3 weeks) into the wild, to a 10$ million market. There's a reason why the likes of Zerocoin take months and are still not ready. 3 weeks is not even enough to write a moderately complex iPhone app.
Who is appointed to test and audit the code? Who is appointed to verify it?


 

Ifs can be said about all coins, including BTC.  Yes, there are risks.  Who says the dev has only been working on this for 3 weeks?

You are correct, but people put faith in currencies like BTC because they are established, well known and more importantly have been around for a long time. Had the developer been working on the coin longer than 3 weeks this would have reasurred me and many others that thing is legit. There's no indication of it though in the repository, though. I'd like to be proven wrong.

What I am worried is that as of today the coin is realistically speaking no different than the other PoS coins we've had in the recent months. Yes, planned functionality sets it apart, but it's just planned functionality without a concrete backing.

If nothing else, we actually know who the developer is.  He owns his own company and is putting his reputation at risk.  I think this alone sets it apart.

Can you link me a post, thread or twitter message or anything where the dev is revealing his identity?
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC] >> Mandatory Update to new Wallet - The first POS X11 anonymous wallet on: May 29, 2014, 01:22:05 PM
- How long has the coin been in development?

Is the start of the bitcointalk any indication of it's age? That would be very young, unless there's been ongoing development in the past. But there are no such hints in the github repository.

- When if is going to be code responsible for anonymising transaction released?

Currently the repository contains no traces of any code responsible for such features.

I've heard vague claims that the XNodes features are ought to be implemented in 3 weeks of time. That's a bold claim considering there's not even a binary release of a wallet containing such functionality.

There's not even an ongoing or planned testing phase announced by the developer or community. That's pretty crucial because lots of money is at stake. Do people really want to risk their assets in the near future? What if the implementation does not reach expectations? What if the implementation is flawed or exploitable? What if the implementation is not working? What happens when it's realesed (as claimed in 3 weeks) into the wild, to a 10$ million market. There's a reason why the likes of Zerocoin take months and are still not ready. 3 weeks is not even enough to write a moderately complex iPhone app.
Who is appointed to test and audit the code? Who is appointed to verify it?


 

Ifs can be said about all coins, including BTC.  Yes, there are risks.  Who says the dev has only been working on this for 3 weeks?

You are correct, but people put faith in currencies like BTC because they are established, well known and more importantly have been around for a long time. Had the developer been working on the coin longer than 3 weeks this would have reasurred me and many others that thing is legit. There's no indication of it though in the repository, though. I'd like to be proven wrong.

What I am worried is that as of today the coin is realistically speaking no different than the other PoS coins we've had in the recent months. Yes, planned functionality sets it apart, but it's just planned functionality without a concrete backing.
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