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I agree, but I think a fork is coming anyway. "Bitcoin" is tainted and unless something dramatic happens, well on it's way to being the Lawn Dart and Ford Pinto of 2011. I think as far as I and most merchants are concerned at this point the Politicals are welcome to it.
Crypto-Currency is here to stay, it's not like losing one version of it will matter much in the long run. Call it a prototype- lessons learned. Honestly I feel ofended by your tone here. Tainted? Tainted by what? A ship of unfriendly passengers that is taking on water? Bitcoin is at the moment the most succesful alternative currency of the last 100 or 200 years. That might have something to do with the ideas that founded it (and its ok that you dont understand them, I was a social-democrat until I was 27). Now, it is true that we need more merchants on board and it is true that its going to take some time and efforts. But it is not the politics behind the community that is creating the problem, its the very same nature of the currency. Its the part that you dont really understand about monetary policy (and this is ok, Im ignorant about a lot of stuff, life is short) that is making Bitcoin successful while at the same time is worrying a lot of people at the top. Both things are unseparable. Dont take this the wrong way, but I feel you dont undertand how a currency system works, specially regarding the nature of Bitcoin. A decentralized and pseudo-anonymous fork will have the same problems with the politicians and other critics that Bitcoin has, no matter the political ideas of the people behind it. And if the "fork" is not decentralized (it wont really be a fork then) it will just be another Paypal system, and I dont think there is much market for another competitor. How are you going to make a fork with the characteristics that make Bitcoin great, but at the same time without those same characteristics because it worries some people? At the end, p2p file sharing also worried a lot of people at the top, they fought it, but it is here to stay. Because of its decentralized nature, nobody could fight it. Now everybody listens to more music and the bands have seen more interest for them playing live. But at the begginning a lot of people said it would not work because nobody would go with it. Bitcoin is the same and has the potential to bring a new era of trade and welfare for everybody. Exactly, Even before I knew anything about bit-coin. I realized if bitcoin could exist then many such currencies could exist....and that's a very good thing! Bitcoin is revolutionary, and you can't separate the "politics" from it for that reason. I want to support something that sets money free. If it survives, there will be multitudes of money making opportunities arising from it, but the battle will have to be fought first. If the U.S. outlaws the use of bitcoins, then some other country will embrace them, or something like them, and the U. S. will lose.. This is the future and it is very exciting. The existing financial system is on the rocks and this is the medicine. |
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Wow, Karmicads. Thank you.
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Your gauche attempt at ad-hominem aside, BDSM is legal in most jurisdictions (and pretty awesome, lol  ) while tax evasion and subversion of government is not legal in any jurisdiction I am aware of, not even in Somalia (and AFAIK, Somalian authorities, the ones often derisively referred to as "warlords", take tax collection very very seriously)quote Prostitution is legal in in most jurisdictions? I feel like I should be humming an Alanis Morissette tune here. Isn't ironic? Yeah, I really do think. |
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Typical left-liberal that thinks anything inside the bedroom between two consenting adults is acceptable but as soon as they leave the bedroom, all bets are off.
Are you referring to me or her? |
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I just posted this in the meta form. You might want to check out the "kill the politics forum" thread there. I found it very interesting. And no, I am not trolling. The thread is not about sex at all, although if you click on her website Icon you'll get as much sex as you want. I'm not calling her names. Actually, according to her post, she wants to be labeled as the "Whorish Oriental Despot" of the forum
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Re: Kill the Politics forum
Today at 09:03:55 pm
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Ok, let me try to get what's going on in this thread. OP Jessy Kang, the Madam whore who runs an SM and Bondage business(check out her website) with several "ladies" in NY is concerned that respectable businessmen will be scared away from using bitcoin because of libertarian extremist wackos on the politics forum. And that respectable and completely legal business's like hers wouldn't be caught dead using bitcoin. She is now no longer accepting bit coin for this reason. Am I getting this right so far?
Don't get me wrong, I found many of her posts excellent, and this is one of the best threads I've ever come across. She truly is an"intellectual whore". Even though I am a life long libertarian, I for one am in favor of at least moderating the politics board because other unmoderated libertarian boards I've been on have degenerated into Neo-Nazi, racist, and antisemitic playgrounds.
That being said, I first heard of bitcoin on the Max Keiser show. And really got interested when I heard about the Silk Road thing. I'm into bitcoin because it is about Freedom (I hope) and is revolutionary. That's the attraction for me and probably lots of other people who come to bitcoin. I wonder what attracted Ms Kang to bitcoin. Perhaps she's looking to get some of those presumably rich bitcoin administrators as clients? Just wondering. I can't really see her trying to get her existing clients to use bitcoin that much although maybe the (supposed) anonymity would be an attraction in some cases. Those clients would have to be patient and into bitcoin though because it takes some effort at this point to locate the amount of coins Ms Kang would demand for her services. Perhaps she could enlighten me.
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Ok, let me try to get what's going on in this thread. OP Jessy Kang, the Madam whore who runs an SM and Bondage business(check out her website) with several "ladies" in NY is concerned that respectable businessmen will be scared away from using bitcoin because of libertarian extremist wackos on the politics forum. And that respectable and completely legal business's like hers wouldn't be caught dead using bitcoin. She is now no longer accepting bit coin for this reason. Am I getting this right so far?
Don't get me wrong, I found many of her posts excellent, and this is one of the best threads I've ever come across. She truly is an"intellectual whore". Even though I am a life long libertarian, I for one am in favor of at least moderating the politics board because other unmoderated libertarian boards I've been on have degenerated into Neo-Nazi, racist, and antisemitic playgrounds.
That being said, I first heard of bitcoin on the Max Keiser show. And really got interested when I heard about the Silk Road thing. I'm into bitcoin because it is about Freedom (I hope) and is revolutionary. That's the attraction for me and probably lots of other people who come to bitcoin. I wonder what attracted Ms Kang to bitcoin. Perhaps she's looking to get some of those presumably rich bitcoin administrators as clients? Just wondering. I can't really see her trying to get her existing clients to use bitcoin that much although maybe the (supposed) anonymity would be an attraction in some cases. Those clients would have to be patient and into bitcoin though because it takes some effort at this point to locate the amount of coins Ms Kang would demand for her services. Perhaps she could enlighten me.
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I came very close to being arrested a month ago for simply walking my dog. I kid you not. Two local Officer friendly's came up in their car and claimed my dog which I've walked in the neighborhood for four years was a pit bull which are illegal in the county where I live. I told him she was a mix and came out of the PG county animal shelter to no avail. My neighbors came out and I yelled at them: Please witness this, they're arresting me for walking my dog. I mean they were slamming cuffs on the hood of the car and asking me to turn around. I talked my way out of it, but just barely. I wonder what would have happened to my dog if they arrested me. Nothing good I'm sure. This country is seriously losing it.
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are you sure that was gavin andresen
didnt look like him, not even kevin anderson
looked like some guy named jeff garzik that I would not trust with my bitcoins
I might of gotten my names mixed up, If that's the case, Sorry! |
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Though, with effort it indeed can approach pretty impenetrable levels of anonymity...
So I've heard. |
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You should blame the people who told you that bitcoin is anonymous. It isn't and it never was.
Wow, You guys sure are defensive. I'm not blaming anyone. |
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Watch this interview with Gavin Anderson bit coin programmer/administrator. It's eye opening, especially what he says about working with the government, using bitcoin is not anonymous, the exchanges are registered with the government and complying with all laws. This guy also gave a talk to the CIA this week. You can find the link for that yourself. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7368784n |
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Watch this interview with Gavin Anderson bit coin programmer/administrator. It's eye opening, especially what he says about working with the government, using bitcoin is not anonymous, the exchanges are registered with the government and complying with all laws. This guy also gave a talk to the CIA this week. You can find the link for that yourself. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7368784nWas this written to scare someone? If it was, you failed. No. I'm just stating what he said and did. Something happening this week is old news only in cyber land. |
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Watch this interview with Gavin Anderson bit coin programmer/administrator. It's eye opening, especially what he says about working with the government, using bitcoin is not anonymous, the exchanges are registered with the government and complying with all laws. This guy also gave a talk to the CIA this week. You can find the link for that yourself. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7368784n |
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Watch this interview with Gavin Anderson bit coin programmer/administrator. It's eye opening, especially what he says about working with the government, using bitcoin is not anonymous, the exchanges are registered with the government and complying with all laws. This guy also gave a talk to the CIA this week. You can find the link for that yourself. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7368784n |
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Easily be stopped? Hardly. You have to realize that the government is slow to react. Even if the US outlaws bitcoins or another countries does then there are still 200+ other countries where it is legal.
Easily. If there is one persistent fallacy that is repeated over and over again on these forums, that needs to be put to rest it's this "Bitcoin is unstoppable" and "we don't need anyone" foolishness. The Developers don't think it's unstoppable- and they know the code back to front. If Bitcoin is not unstoppable from a technical point of view, then it's already dead in the water. Has anyone really claimed this? Watch this interview with Gavin Anderson bit coin programmer/administrator. It's eye opening, especially what he says about working with the government, using bitcoin is not anonymous, the exchanges are registered with the government and complying with all laws. This guy also gave a talk to the CIA this week. You can find the link for that yourself. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7368784n |
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Yes, Yes! Please let me out of here. You can see by my posts I'm responsible and have no agenda except the betterment of bitcoin. Also I posted about bitcoin here on another thread http://taoeconomics.com/ss/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2046I am worthy! I am worthy! |
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Technically, and legally, bitcoin is a commodity, not a currency. Also, bitcoins aren't really "coined" by anyone, not even virtually. They are discovered.
Good arguments. Some power there I think, but that's not how it's being presented to the public. I listened to the bitcoin video very carefully. |
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Fine fine, I'll be more friendly.
OP, see references to any one of many "substitutes of money/value/transactions", like
Disney Dollars
Gift Cards
Fun Money
Fiat Currency
Monopoly Money
Poker Chips
Casino Credits
XBox Live Points
Ithica Hours
BerkShares
T-Bills
WoW Gold
Debit Cards
And ask yourself, "how many of these have been ruled illegal, and their creators cast into mythical dungeons," and "how does bitcoin differ from these," and "do I Wikipedia objectively?"
Well, Walt Disney maybe in some kinky dungeon, but it was his choice.
There are major differences between all these things and bitcoin. Even if there wasn't, it wouldn't matter. If the Feds perceive bitcoin as a threat they will come after it. All they need is the facade of legality and the Federal courts will back them up. You can make arguments until you howl at the moon, and they might be good ones too, but it won't matter. Unless you have a really good lawyer, political connections and a sizable amount of public opinion on your side forget it. Maybe you could get a really, really good lawyer like Tom Cryer but that's about it. You would need a jury trial though because they would put the screws on the Federal judge that would hear the case and he would not be impartial to say the least. |
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It's already been stated multiple times here, but there are far too many "acceptable" examples of currency substitutes being employed by various parties in the US. The US Government finds fault only with the Bitcoin because it is often used in underground trades for black market merchandise.
I will forecast that, although they will try to shut down .onion sites such as The Silk Road (which might've already been accomplished, given the look of it), they won't attempt to touch the Bitcoin.
I think you're wrong. I think Bitcoin is the real deal, and it will be a big concern to them, and they will attempt to "touch it" if not more. |
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Something to consider...unless you have an Austrian (real) economic background, you may just think bitcoin will fail or is not a threat. You won't see it as the most magnificently beautiful and elegant monetary solution man has seen thus far. So even though the CIA was given a presented about bitcoin, they probably won't understand the full potential. People in general won't understand the potential either. People will probably come out with conspiracy theories claiming the bitcoin technology was handed down by aliens to save humanity. I guess my point is that most people today can't think rationally, so bitcoin should have some time before governments start going hysterical.
Exactly what I am thinking. Well said. |
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