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1  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Primary vs Secondary Oncor Texas service on: March 29, 2023, 05:15:15 PM
Had 2 customers do it here in NY/NJ and someone else in FL. Not mining related, just manufacturing

Saved them a lot.
BUT:

1) Everything is 'your fault' not the fault of the power company until you can prove otherwise when it comes to low power issues. 3 states, 3 different power companies, same BS.
2) If you do have issues they will not even test TO the transformer without your electrician being there.
3) If you do need parts / repair you can be down for a while. Unless you have a spare $50k transformer sitting around like the power company does.

For my customer that had a lot of issues it was stressful and annoying, but they could function on a limited bases.
A mining facility is going to be off....

-Dave

#1: What do you mean by "low power issues" ?
#2, who won't test the transformer?

thanks for the advice
2  Bitcoin / Mining / Primary vs Secondary Oncor Texas service on: March 29, 2023, 04:02:31 PM
I am setting up a 400 kW farm and just want to sanity check if anyone has experience with primary power from oncor. (The deal is, own and manage your own transformer and get a reduced delivery cost.)

I want to know if I am missing something here because it seems like it is worth it. Savings ~ $0.004 / kwh.

A lot of utility people have never even done primary power so I want to get opinions from other miners if this makes sense.
3  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Sales Tax on Hashrate / Timeshare Selling on: April 15, 2022, 06:31:41 PM
I don't think services are taxable in most U.S. states. You're probably providing a service, not a good. If not, then try structuring your business so it's obviously a service.

Think of it like a cloud hosting provider. I've never paid sales tax on VPS hosting even from providers based in the U.S., even though both parties live in states with a sales tax.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/texas-saas-cloud-computing-taxable-josh-alballero/


Personally my business model will not be to sell hashrate or mining contracts. I would set up a new corporation for the customer so the full tax benefits of depreciation pass through to them. The customer would be a non-voting 100% owner of that corp. My parent company would charge the mini-corp a fixed $/kWh rent rate or something + a setup fee. Whatever profit is left is paid out to them as a distribution every month or so. Still need to talk to a lawyer to make sure this is a sound idea.


So is this sub-corporation issuing securities?
4  Bitcoin / Mining / Sales Tax on Hashrate / Timeshare Selling on: April 15, 2022, 01:48:23 PM
I would like to offer the ability for customers to purchase hashrate or a block of hashes and I'm wondering if there is a way to offer this WITHOUT incurring sales tax... is this possible?
5  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Experienced GPU miner thinking about starting an ASIC farm; what should I know? on: April 12, 2022, 02:40:03 AM

Sales tax on electricity: This is much harder and you need to be larger-scale, but some states (like Texas) have exemptions to the 6.25% sales tax for datacenters and other companies like that. Oklahoma has a similar bill coming up.


This one in particular is interesting, I have noticed it before, I believe the exemptions is for manufacturing business and was not sure if mining could fit in that category. As far as the "larger-scale" requirement, I do not remember seeing anywhere a size / scale requirement, any more info on that or what exactly constitutes large enough to get that exemption?
6  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Experienced GPU miner thinking about starting an ASIC farm; what should I know? on: April 05, 2022, 06:10:15 PM
... I have the financial stuff, like how to avoid income tax & sales tax, under control thanks to my accountant.

by the way, mind sharing how to avoid those US taxes?
7  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Experienced GPU miner thinking about starting an ASIC farm; what should I know? on: April 04, 2022, 05:30:01 PM
I would think that an experienced GPU miner might be a little turned off to ASIC mining for a few reasons.  ASICs tend to devalue faster than GPUs in my opinion, so while their volatile prices might give you more opportunities for profit scenarios, you have to be quick to act because you can be left holding worthless bricks in the end if you aren't nimble.  There is also more dependency on a single currency, whereas GPU mining gives you added flexibility if one coin's price dips or something.  You're also left with less usability for your equipment, so if regulation or market conditions causes ASICs to become worthless, GPUs will still have buyers in gamers and graphic artists.  Personally, I think GPU miners will be a bit disappointed moving into ASIC mining, but if you pick the right entry and exit points, it can be massively profitable.

8  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Experienced GPU miner thinking about starting an ASIC farm; what should I know? on: April 01, 2022, 05:35:46 AM

It looks like you are trying to go with index power rate? you gotta be real careful with that, if prices spike and you don't manage the miners in time (can happen overnight), your energy bill will basically ruin a years worth of profitability
I wanted to go with the day-ahead index, where I always know what the rate will be in 24h and it's not subject to instant spikes like the real-time LMP. I'm not worried about the spikes because I will write custom, automated software to cut off the Internet to the ASICs to power them down. Maybe other farms will want the software.


This day-ahead index is a specific agreement with the energy seller, not oncor, right?
9  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Experienced GPU miner thinking about starting an ASIC farm; what should I know? on: April 01, 2022, 03:01:31 AM
I don't think GPU mining is guna "die" any time soon, eth or not there will always be something to mine with them, not to mention they are versatile and you can run all sorts of other algorithms (AI, chemical modelling, etc) as well if you ever need to pivot.

I'm curious why you want to go with s9's? they are quite old at this point, might get better ROI with something newer.

It looks like you are trying to go with index power rate? you gotta be real careful with that, if prices spike and you don't manage the miners in time (can happen overnight), your energy bill will basically ruin a years worth of profitability

Does your location already have power available? If you need to have oncor install more power, they are guna charge you potentially a lot ($40k+) and they *might* refund you a minimum of 4 years later.
10  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Possible to Mine Over Radio? on: March 04, 2022, 03:35:14 PM
Can you elaborate why and what is your use case?

To mine in remote locations without the need to pay for satellite internet or any other internet provider.

I think it can be done via some sort of packet over radio protocol, you probably need to setup a receiving station that is connected to internet, such as a home network.
11  Bitcoin / Mining / Possible to Mine Over Radio? on: March 04, 2022, 05:27:24 AM
Is there any way to mine bitcoin over radio? Such as with a HAM radio connected to a mining computer?
12  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: new electric setup: 1-phase vs 3-phase on: December 07, 2021, 03:23:38 AM
150kw is getting into 3-phase territory but still very practical for single phase service. It comes down to cost of the panel (size and amount of copper in it) and if the power company needs to supply you with a different service transformer to feed the building. As Mikey said, go with what is cheaper.

I am scaling up to around 400kW and actually still on the phase conundrum, so now I'm asking why 150kW was "getting into 3-phase territory" and so this implies I should be getting 3-phase for 400kW facility?
13  Bitcoin / Mining support / How to estimate fan requirements for a warehouse? on: November 30, 2021, 03:09:25 PM
I'm curious how to estimate the cooling requirements, specifically air cooling, for an asic farm in a standalone warehouse. Is it as simple as have the equivalent CFM of all miners each on opposing walls? Or is that overkill and how do you estimate?

thanks, any links to resources also appreciated.
14  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: new electric setup: 1-phase vs 3-phase on: April 13, 2021, 03:03:56 PM
You're over-thinking things....
Unless you are pulling mega-watts of power, load balance on the utilities transmission lines is not your concern. If you have 3-phase power you only have to reasonably balance power from your distribution panel. If you have single-phase power it is still the utilities concern - not yours. Of course this also assumes that you are in a fairly well developed country with stable & modern power grids.

In most countries 3-phase is typically delivered to a building as a wye connection with a center Neutral connection - not delta. However, that also depends on the local power loads. Wild leg or high leg grounded delta is usually only found where most area loads are single phase and only a few select customers need 3-phase. Unless it is your only choice, due to the voltage imbalance between the wild leg and Neutral I do not recommend grounded delta.

What country is this in? How power is distributed varies between countries and even between regions within a country.
What voltage is your typical wall outlet at home or business? 110v or 220v?
ref https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power

If you want 208-240v 3-phase power, and if the location also needs a lower voltage for wall plugs & lighting just tell the utility that. They will decide on the type of transformer used as it all depends on how they distribute power in the area where you are.

I'm in the US. Do miners such as antminers run more efficiently on higher voltage? (this is why I was aiming for 240v) as well as the increased effiency gain from higher voltage (less current).
For larger setups I keep seeing that a 415/240 volt transformer is ideal, so I figured 240 delta was similar.

What specifically do you mean "voltage imbalance" between the high leg and neutral? As long as you ignore the 208V between it, everything is fine right? you have 120v and 240v available no?

15  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: new electric setup: 1-phase vs 3-phase on: April 13, 2021, 12:59:15 AM
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If you are in North America, depending on what kind of power is needed for other businesses nearby, their '3-phase' may not exactly true 3-phase but rather 3-phase created by using a 'wild leg' as referenced to Neutral. Voltage across all 3 or any 2 lines is the same. Voltage from either L1 or L2 referenced to Neutral is balanced to 1/2 the L1-L2 voltage. For 208 VAC that is 110V for L1 or L2 to Neutral. Voltage on the 3rd or Wild leg referenced to Neutral is much because it is is NOT reference to Neutral. The 3rd leg is supplied only to places needing 3-phase to run motors, refrigeration, and other application requiring it that are powered by all three phases. If that is the case the utility is already supplying single phase power over very heavy lines feeding several other locations nearby.
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Are you just saying that the TDU should be able to balance things on their side easier than I make it seem?

Also, you're not referring to "high-leg delta" voltage are you? I am considering requesting 240 3 phase in the delta config:


This setup is as true of 3 phase as 120/208 right?
16  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: new electric setup: 1-phase vs 3-phase on: April 12, 2021, 04:17:15 PM
150kw is getting into 3-phase territory but still very practical for single phase service. It comes down to cost of the panel (size and amount of copper in it) and if the power company needs to supply you with a different service transformer to feed the building. As Mikey said, go with what is cheaper.

Is drawing 150kw on a single phase an issue for the TDU since it is extremely unbalanced on the transmission lines, right?
17  Bitcoin / Mining / new electric setup: 1-phase vs 3-phase on: April 11, 2021, 07:20:44 PM
This question has been asked a couple times with variations and I haven't quite got an answer so I'm posting this here.

I found a small shop to use for mining, aiming for about 150kw total 24/7 power draw. I'm discussing with TDU and electrician about setup but neither of them are very helpful in giving advice for what I need. Their attitude is mostly just like "just tell us what you need and we'll do it". The shop has a small 1 phase 200 amp panel, but they are willing to make the upgrades.

From my research, it seems the question of 3-phase vs 1-phase delivery just comes down to cost. All mining hardware uses 1 phase but still many people seem to recommend to go with 3 phase because of reduced delivery costs. I'm not 100% sure the reason for this, so that is part of my question. Secondly, I might be able to take the panel and any other electrical equipment from the shop with me to later expand, so if 3 phase isn't strictly neccesary, maybe it is a good investment anyways?

Anyway my main question here is, should I give the TDU a load sheet requesting 3-phase power or just 1-phase? Any advice on this is appreciated because I am really unsure.

Thanks.
18  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Texas Storm to affect electricity prices? on: February 25, 2021, 09:00:51 PM
Yes the wholesale cost went to $9 / kWh for a couple times. My question is regarding any policiy change or perhaps additional riders to the delivery costs to recoup from losses.
19  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Texas Storm to affect electricity prices? on: February 25, 2021, 07:20:02 PM
Anyone in Texas have an idea if the fallout from the winter storm is going to raise rates for industrial consumers here?
Any talk or news about such a thing?
thanks
20  Bitcoin / Legal / Best USA business structure for mining operation? on: February 21, 2021, 06:17:33 PM
C corp has lower corp tax of 21% but has burden of formalities and double taxation, LLC as S corp seems easier but slightly higher tax?
I'm not sure, any advice is appreciated. Goal is obviously reduce tax burden on mined coins as much as possible. Thanks
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