I received this response in the Support tab to an inquiry about my withdrawls not working


So they are still there. Not sure if it's a string along, but I'm still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Are there SCAMMER labels anymore. Really, everyone should just use the trust system and individually put in your negative experience, but also remove it if they do pay.

My miners still have 50btc as a third pool in case the first two fail. Could be someone like that.

Reading comprehension, morans.

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I've made a lot of fiat money from BFL and if they deliver monarch and it has a superior hps/$ value to other offerings and I see that the queue is fulfilling well then yeah, I'll buy it. However, at this point in time it is clear to me that BFL has serious engineering gaps and for all I know are bleeding cash directly into Chapter 7 so no I am not going to put my money into a pie in the sky offering. When ASICs were first announced, the bump in hps/$ (4,000%) justified the risk of investment, a risk that paid off huge for me. The move from 65nm to 28nm isn't even a 278% boost. I've made more than that holding coins in the last month.

Josh, be careful where you tread. I've warned you once before about spouting off to the wrong people. I am not PuertoLibre or some other BFL troll. I've spent tens of thousands of dollars with your company and have a solid BitcoinTalk reputation. I have resold and mined both your FPGA and ASIC lines, and have made quite a bit of coin doing so. On top of this, I have over $100,000 on the sidelines right now that I am waiting to put back into mining equipment once the difficulty becomes more predictable and your company is in consideration if you are able to actually deliver your 28nm products with a reasonable price, hashrate, and power consumption.

So watch your fucking "facts" when you attempt to call either me or my friend a liar. The fact of the matter is that I coached 1 family member and 4 friends into buying machines of different sizes from your company and on September 19th sent them an email saying to cancel their orders because we were crossing the point of no return on investment. The family member received their miners early enough to sell them for a good profit. Of the friends, one had no problems at all cancelling, one had a problem where after several weeks of harassing Paypal finally had the reversal approved, only to have the account Paypal was drawing on as empty, and the other two have not been able to get a refund, although they haven't been particularly aggressive with paypal either. As such, two of my friends had some amount of dollars sewn up with your company in an interest free loan for some time, and two of them are going to take a large loss, one of them at a time in his life where he really needs a win.

And I hold you responsible due to the complete and utter fabrications called timelines you've delivered to us in the past 17 months. In your quest to dominate the market, you have sucker punched people who are now literally homeless, causing fights between their spouse and them, and adding astounding stress to their lives. And so, I understand that you can easily sit there and type complete lies that ruin people, and as such you think it must be easy for everyone else to just lie.

But I'll tell you now, Josh, I'm no liar. My friend who had this bounced paypal issue is no liar. So, I would get your "cool story" straight before you respond to me again.

Just as an update to this, sometime last week, the account got money in it and my friend was paid. He said that paypal just kept hitting the account (with the subsequent NSF charges, I'm sure) until there was money there.

It's under $600.

I've been trying to help my friend through this process, and it has hit a problem I haven't seen before. Paypal sided with my friend and said that BFL needed to refund the money. BFL has marked his order as cancelled in their system. Now Paypal tried to get the money back to send to my friend, but there was no money in the account they were drawing on. This is the letter that Paypal sent to my friend.


Anyone have any ideas on where to go from here? He kind of feel like this is like issuing a bad check and thinks that there might be some kind of attorney general he could go to.

Well, yes and no. The default settings give this guy a trust of -5 because trust cascades. You might have set yours to 2, but the default is 3 steps, so it goes DefaultTrust -> Tomatocage -> Vod, putting him at -5.

All sold, I do hope that all of the buyers will do a trust entry. I hadn't seen that feature before, but it's actually pretty neat.

And then there were two.

Give me a PM, but there's only 3 now.

Four available.

The asking price is currently 12BTC

Paypal is not accepted.

One sold, new price, the other 5 arrived just now.

Two are available now.

For some reason the mail seems to be taking longer than it should. I should have gotten the extra 2 today, but it kind of doesn't look like they will be here until Friday now.

In addition, I now have another 5 more coming, for a total of 7. Those should be the last of my orders.

All sold, but I will have 2 units available later this week.

Only one left, but I will have 2 more units coming this week.

11 units available.