Look at this latest on these shitbags' forum, posted by that pool of anal seepage, Nemesidis, aka Alexey:

http://ecointalk.net/topic/1460-regarding-off-topic-posts-flaming-and-agitation/


"Regarding Off topic posts, Flaming and Agitation:
 Agitating other people will not help to resolve the issue in best way, not for customers not for us. People are already upset by the delay and there is no need to push it further. We are well aware of it and trying to provide best way possible to resolve this issue. Cross posting and Flaming are not acceptable on any of the forums that has simple rules, so if topic has been locked, or posts deleted, it's not because of it's contents, but simply because of not following simplest of the rules. Besides, if you already filed information and sent it to someone, there is no need to post it here. This forum not an agitation tool, this kind of behavior will not be tolerated on this forum, as well as any other, except the ones, that are especially made for this kind of agitation. From our side, we are still working on the best way and solutions to compensate our customers in better way than offered before, before making conclusions if you would like to see other options, you will have to wait until they are finished, unfortunately there is no exact time frame, also we offered various ways of compensation options, that our customers can accept or wait for other options.
 
Further unreasonable agitation will lead to forum access removal and restriction of access by IP.
PLEASE NOTE: asking people for personal information is strictly prohibited for security reasons, by providing such information you can as well provide sensitive information for accessing your accounts, email's, payment and bank details.
 
Regarding Fire issue, There has been 3 or 4 units total that had problem with damaged PCB's and that's not enough to start they all burn panic, 1 has been reported having fire. However, people that benefit from all round panic and want to use that panic for their own reasons usually dispensary after they get what they need. That generally considered as abusive and threatening behavior. They just put FIRE in caps to start flaming and encourage other people to follow. Usually it will gather amount of people that has no interest in reason or what the issue actually is. Not even 1% of X-3 units has had that issue, so please stop that unreasonable FIRE, FIRE stuff. We are aware of the issue severity and we have taken steps to prevent any further possible damage, before units are checked and have issues corrected.
 
Would be really thankful if cross posting and starting multiple threads with same content would stop. One is enough to discuss the issue. So please don't wonder if posts or whole threads will get deleted or locked, especially if it's starting same topics that is already in Discussion.
 
Regards!"




Not enough to start that "they all burn panic"

what kind of fucking morons are these people.  1 fire is too many, assholes.  It's a product people bought to run in their homes. 

If they hadn't been such a crappy company in the first place and had actually built all of these, who knows what would have happened.

Now they apparently don't want anyone discussing it any longer or it will deemed "abusive and threatening".  Give me a break. 

Even by BA's standards, that is some seriously thin logic.

Being concerned that your house will burn down is now abusive and threatening as far as they're concerned.  What kind of morons are these people....

See this post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=314402.msg8954774#msg8954774


Good Luck.

People can also e-mail the FTC lawyers on that BFL case.  Their e-mails are on the filing, which is up on Coindesk.  Just like any other situation, if they hear it enough, they'll do something.  Go directly to the people that brought BFL to heel.

I'm not trying to annoy anyone.  You are the one that came in here and started flinging poo around like a crazed monkey.  I'm sorry I'm not wired to simply take shit from some know it all moron whose idea of business is selling products to grow weed.

You're asking me what I'm doing here if I didn't lose money?  If you don't see the irony of that I can't help you.

I'm glad you don't care.  I doubt that the majority of people reading this thread would agree with your assessment that nobody does, given that you've come here to insult literally everyone and I was trying to help people here get their money back before you showed up with your stupid yap-yap-yap.

There is nothing to win.  This is no contest.  You're a troll who can't keep his fucking mouth shut and is being told to keep his fucking mouth shut.  I don't care if you do and I don't care if you don't, but neither I, nor anyone else, is obligated to read your idiotic comments and not point out what a ridiculous lout you are.  Kid.

Exactly.  The majority of components should be in.  A production line should be up.

Photos are easy.  If they had anything they'd be showing it.

I didn't lose a penny. zip. 

your comprehension skills are lacking.  you apparently do not comprehend what you are reading nor the fact that your opinion of any single person here is irrelevant. 

you may think that all of this running commentary makes you look smart, although it really just makes you look like a pathetic ass, as you feel the need to continue to post "neener, neener, neener" and act as if it's the equivalent of Aristotle.

it really is a sad display and, try as you might, it is not accomplishing anything. 

If you'd like to do something useful take this cornucopia of knowledge that you purport to possess and put together a thread on how to avoid scams.  That might actually make you look intelligent.  all of this bellicose bullshit certainly does not.

I did, dumbass. 

as I said, people are using this thread for a different purpose now.  you can keep posting, although most people are simply going to add you to ignore, as everything that comes from your mouth is pointless shite.

back to beating your meat in your echo chamber now.....

like a lab monkey that gets a cookie every time he jerks himself off.  just keeps on going and going and going.  that fuckstick has to be raw by now.

BTW, this thread has turned into an informational source for people to try to get their money back.

I know it's difficult to see with your own goo all over your screen but don't be a lazy monkey.  try to keep up with the thread you're posting on, even if it is just to increase your own hard-on. 

Of course it's not the same.  That is disingenuous clap-trap.  A complete and utter bold-faced lie.  

Your points are true.  In addition:

1.  This expires.  I'd agree that these pukes won't be around in 6 years but a lot can happen, including sale of the company or a host of other things that would normally result in payments of some sort to shareholders.  

2.  The profit sharing is not in any way tied to the current stockholders.  If profit distributions were to be weighted according to their original offer, when they got paid, everyone else got paid.  This is a huge hole in this thing.  

They never intend to pay a dime in dividends.  They're not obligated to do so, so they won't.  This is a total farce intended to string people along.  

It's Bread and Circuses, and quite short on the bread at that.


Why did they go with the loyalty bonus scheme?  They answered it themselves:



" 3. I'm waiting for the credit card processor to go up before paying my balance, however I ordered before 31st August 2014 am I excluded from this scheme?

No, you are not excluded. You can fill in the membership form and send it to our loyalty@alpha-t.net email right now and we will process it, and as soon as we have received the balancing payment from you we will send you confirmation by email that you have been entered into our loyalty scheme."



They set this up so they could try to take more money while fucking their "loyal customers" in the ass.  It's like convincing the whore to pay you for giving her a good stuffing.

They don't even want to discuss their "customer loyalty reward scheme", maybe because it is little more than a thinly veiled attempt to fuck those same loyal customers, and maybe get them to make the rest of those payments, yes?  

Swindler 101.  No talking among the swindle-ees.


and no production update.  where's that Alpha?




Careful, all you "loyal" Alpha customers, there's a dick headed straight for your ass.

only a matter of time before their bot causes their computer to start on fire.

 "Alpha shall consider whether it wishes to declare a dividend for shareholders. There shall be no obligation on Alpha to declare any dividend to shareholders and the decision on whether or not to declare any dividend shall be entirely a matter for Alpha’s discretion."


Well, sure, that makes total sense.



We'll give you money if we decide to give you money. 

I'm sure people will be just fine with that.

pretty much nothing.   they've been deleting posts and banning people that bitch, which they do apparently still have time for.

it's silence from Alpha, aside from some promise to update over the next couple of days.

you've got a few people posting, but it's mainly meaningless.  there are still a couple of useful idiots telling people to be calm, all will be well and they hope Alpha becomes a no 1 player in this market.  If they actually believe there is any chance of any of that they have a fucking brain tumor.

It's useless shit.  you're missing nothing.

Nothing but the usual snide asshattery that comes out of these people.  total bunch of shitbags. 

they all think they're just so much smarter than everyone else.  If that were even half as true as they seem to think they wouldn't be this late, their products wouldn't suck and they probably wouldn't be catching on fire.  the whole company is one giant fireball, but they are the smartest guys on earth.

total joke.

People should be aware of a couple of things

1.  You can file suit in your own state in most cases.  

2.  Even if you've taken delivery of these, if you can document that you have asked for a refund before it shipped to you, you are still eligible to file a claim.


I've got no beef with Minersource, but I hate the fact that these people in general are ignoring the law and jamming this junk on customers.  

I would not be at all surprised if the FTC gives these people a call.  They are in the US and therefore a much easier target than BA and they have been, according to reports I've seen here, shipping to people against their wishes.  

There's no way the FTC does not realize that BFL was not the only bad actor in this space.  Just look at the list of lawyers and justice department people on that BFL filing.  They were using serious assets to build a case against BFL that will be just as applicable to these other companies.  Those people are not stupid and I doubt very much that BFL is the end of this purging of these sorts of businesses that have been flying below the radar to this point.  Why not leverage those spent resources to get the rest of them while they're at it.

Wild West is over mining companies.  

Lock up your daughter, lock up your wife, lock up your back door and run for your life.....

They posted this to their site today

"Thank you for your patience, there will be an update in 1-2 days.

edit: We are sorry we haven't been responsive on this forum, we don't really have the manpower for it at the moment as payments is swamped."



They seem to have had enough manpower to be monitoring the forum, deleting posts and banning people.

What is their total manpower?  At this point, if it's more than 1 deranged narcissistic nut-job posting from his apartment I'll be surprised.



Absolutely cannot wait to see what comes next.

I've put together the following rundown on how I went about getting my money back.  I hope it helps those of you looking to do the same, be that through your CC company, PayPal, or the court system.


*Disclaimer*  **I'm not a lawyer and this is not to be construed as legal advice.  I make no representation as to the accuracy of any of this information, or the likely outcome of any action you decide to pursue.  If you feel you need legal advice and/or representation, you should consult an attorney before proceeding further **



I obviously pointed out the DSR and quoted the following:

“Under the DSRs, a customer’s right to cancel is unconditional.
If customers cancel before they have received the goods, you must refund the total price of the goods, including any delivery charges.
If they cancel, they can refuse to accept delivery of the goods. This cannot be treated as a breach of contract.”
I obviously cited the DSR and quoted the following:  

DSR is here:  http://dshub.tradingstandards.gov.uk/dsrexplained



I stated that Alpha was not denying that this law would apply to consumers, but rather was trying to recategorize their customers as businesses rather than consumers and offered their own e-mail dated July 28 to back that up.

I stated that I was not a business and also that no representation was made by Alpha prior to sale that these sales would be treated as sales to a business.  I had stated this repeatedly to Alpha in e-mails and offered those also as supporting evidence.  Further to that I pointed out that the tax brief they repeatedly cite was issued AFTER my purchase and that it clearly states that it is for tax purposes only:

They site the following link themselves in an e-mail dated July 28:

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/briefs/vat/brief0914.htm


“The tax treatments outlined in this brief are for tax purposes only. They in no way reflect on the treatment of cryptocurrencies for regulatory or other purposes.

Given the evolutionary nature of these cryptocurrencies, HMRC will issue further guidance as appropriate.

Issued 3 March 2014”


What I also cited, which may be new to some people, is the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, which prohibits material omissions of fact, among other things.  This omission of intent to categorize this as a B2B sale prior to sale, IMO, is a material fact that was not disclosed prior to sale.  Alpha T is in violation of several things in this law.  I would recommend anyone trying to get a refund read that entire thing, there is plenty in there that can be used.

It is located here:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2008/9780110811574/regulation/6



Nice job also to whoever has the sites fightalpha.net and http://www.abunchacrap.com/Alpha01052014/atindex.html .  There is a ton of good info on them in terms of statements on delivery dates, some of the notices they sent out etc, that can be used to construct your supporting documentation if you haven't kept the e-mails and other stuff that came out. 




For those that need to file via the courts, even from outside the UK see this site:

https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/web/mcol/welcome
Welcome to Money Claim Online

Money Claim Online (MCOL) is HM Courts & Tribunals Service Internet based service for claimants and defendants.
Money Claim Online is a convenient and secure way of making or responding to a money claim on the internet.


Please note, if you are outside the UK:

for those who are not in the UK and are considering using Money claim online you will need a service address. This is an address in the UK where mail is sent, then forwarded on to you. Here is one such company, I have never used them so check them out yourselves but they do forward mail internationally and accept personal as well as business customers.  There may be other services as well

http://www.cityaddress.co.uk/index.html




So, review the resources above, INDEPENDENTLY VERIFY THEM FOR YOURSELF put together your materials in an organized fashion and file through your CC company, PayPal or the court system, depending on your situation, and if you decide to pursue this further.  For the items you cite, cite their own e-mails to back them up or relevant law from the DSR or  Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008.  Just make sure you offer supporting evidence for any point you make AND THAT YOU HAVE INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED IT.

It is also important, I think, to cite evidence that they were trying to paste this “you are a business” tag on people, as I think it shows bad faith.  They did send this claim out in an e-mail, dated July 28th in which they both state this and cite that tax brief, which was dated after many sales were made.

For people that want to wait until after they miss their Q3 target date, which may be important as initially by credit card company asked what the date was and wanted to wait until after it had passed to start a claim, use the information on the websites people put up to cite that delivery date and possibly this article, in which Mubasher is dancing on the July 31 date, but is citing the end of Q3.  He is also citing these as business purchases in the article and Coindesk is citing the fact that the tax brief was issued after the sale of the devices.  Bottom line, read the article and decide if you want to include it:

 http://www.coindesk.com/alpha-technology-blames-paypal-dispute-bitcoin-asic-delivery-delay/

If it's through a Credit Card company or PayPal and they are giving you a hard time about the timeframe, simply point out that, yes, it's been after 45 days or whatever, however the breach of consumer law happened after that 45 day period and still before delivery.  As far as I know they didn't start making this claim of "these are business purchases" until well after 45 days after purchase time, but I haven't looked up the exact time-frame they started using that argument.

I would also recommend going to your CC company first.  I've run across material on PayPal that they will try to argue for the vendor, with whom their interest lies, so go to the CC company first if possible.  If you have to deal with PayPal, go for it.  I've seen some people argue successfully there also.

You may have to be persistent with the CC company or PayPal, who may want to simply blow this off as outside the 45 day window.   Make sure you are ready for that first phone conversation.  Get your stuff together and be prepared to have a conversation presenting your case before you make that first phone call, as if you're not prepared you might get kicked to the curb and up locked out of those avenues.


Also be aware that this is going out in a public fashion, so our friends at Alpha may well be reading this.  Be ready to offer more if you can, in the event that they are able to fabricate some actual argument to any of this.  I don't see how they can, but that's what lawyers are for and I have not doubt they're talking to their legal people at this point.



*Disclaimer*  **I'm not a lawyer and this is not to be construed as legal advice.  I make no representation as to the accuracy of any of this information, or the likely outcome of any action you decide to pursue.  If you feel you need legal advice and/or representation, you should consult an attorney before proceeding further **



Hope it works out for you if you decide to pursue a refund. 

Good Luck everyone.

Or "How about 99 and some pictures of yo mamma in compromising positions".

I'd agree.  I think they are offering this wacky "30% refund in exchange for ?" as they have to update soon, and they've got nothing. 

when the end of this month rolls around and it's obvious they have nothing or report another 'delay' the run for the exits will explode, if it hasn't already, so they're trying to lock people out of any sort of action.

They offered me 50% as a similar "act of goodwill" when I pointed out that they were in violation of Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008.  I told them to piss off, that I wanted all by money back, and did effect a chargeback of the entire amount, although I did think about simply taking the 50% and cutting my losses.  It seems they're doing the same thing here.  "We know if you push it, you'll get it all, so here's a carrot so we can keep most of it"

who knows when the hell these will be done, of even if they ever will ship.  not a peep out of them on the actual action they were paid to perform, which is build a miner.

"full and final settlement" to me, means they don't have to pay you another dime OR ship a miner.  I've been involved in plenty of lawsuits in the business world and that sort of terminology in the settlement agreement basically means that neither party has any sort of claim against the other going forward, which in this case would include a miner.  That's it. over. done.

people are free to do what they want, although I wouldn't go for this without "full and final" details as to if this means there will be no miner. 

If people haven't filed their chargebacks/complaints yet get on that shit.  this shit is about to get real and you don't want to be the last one to the party on this one.

Anyone wants help on a chargeback/complaint let me know.  I can give you what worked for me and will be happy to help swim as many torpedoes up these guys asses as I can.

The other obvious fact is that end of Q3 is about 8 days from now.  They promised to ship these by end of this quarter worst-case as their own words will easily prove.

When they don't people will be entitled to 100% refund.  Those that went through a CC or paypaal will get it back no question.  those that go to court will also have a stronger position.

As if their illegal "you're a business" claim isn't enough they'll be outside their own window.




and where is the money?  if it was all spent on production where exactly are the parts.

this stinks like a dead animal out in the summer heat.  he's trying to pull some shit here.