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It is also unclear if this 'final settlement' means you also get no miner.
These people really are utterly ridiculous.
Lay out the terms, dumbshits.
I took 100 from you for a miner. here's 30 and no miner. seems fair to me.
another stunt from Mubashtard, who thinks he's the most clever guy in the room, and really is nothing more than an average scammer. As an engineer/production/development person he clearly sucks.
so he's all puffed up and smart as a whip in his own mind, while in reality he is just an average shitbag. really not even all that good at that either. mommy must be so proud.
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From the Alpha-T forums : apparently some Alpha-T customers received this email today: Hello,
Whilst you are passed our refund period we are able to refund you your full 30% deposit as a gesture of goodwill. Please understand this has been no small undertaking and the vast majority of the funds have now gone into the production of these devices and to expect anything higher this late in the process is not realistic as the funds simply aren't there.
If you paid via a bank transfer/bitcoin please provide your bank details if you agree to this full and final settlement and if you paid via PayPal simply confirm you agree to this full and final settlement. For an international bank we will need an IBAN and/or an account number, a swift code and/or your banks address, your account name and address. Please try to provide all or as much of this information as possible in case we run into any issues to save us from having to email again to ask for it. For a UK bank we will only need your account number, sort code, your account name and address.
Regards,
Alpha Technology
There seems to be some doubt what this means for customers who paid 100%. It reads to me like Alpha-T are in legal damage control mode now. oh I thought was a gesture of goodwill. now it's a "full and final settlement." never saw that coming. \sarcasm These pusbags are as predictable as can be. They know they're up shit's creek with their silly "you're a business" defense. They likely have few if any parts (I haven't seen photos of any) and are likely simply going to fade away. This is a logical step in a scam. Pay back 30% of what you've taken from people, call it a full and final settlement in an attempt to strip them of any rights going forward and then pocket the remainder. I do hope people organize and take these people to court. |
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If I send Mubashtard an e-mail can I have more money back?
Dear Mubashtard,
I have seen your offer of some percent back to some people. Nobody knows when or how much or what the fuck it even means. I did not get such an offer and am kind of pissed that all the rest of these mofos get some moniez while I apparently get nothing.
Based on the nature of your mysterio offer, I am wondering if your dead gay lover was an African king who left you the sum of 1 Billion-kajillion pounds sterling that you now need help transferring to a new account in the US of A. I am eager to help with your financial transactions, so please send me details as soon as you're done sucking off your new gay lover king-boy, or maybe boinking Fiaz.
Respectfully, your bud,
Simon
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^^ wot he said. It seems Alpha are now trying to offer customers who paid in full a 30% refund. They have been trying to do this for months, and have been told to piss off, what makes them think it will work now? I think we can expect some bad news from Alpha in the next few days. Another failed tapeout perhaps? They clearly haven't got the parts to ship in September, otherwise they would have posted photos of hundreds of cases, PCBs, PSUs etc, ready to have the chips dropped in. You would expect them to have all this in place if they truly thought September shipping was remotely possible. Its obvious they are now in full scam mode, whether that was their intention from the beginning is probably irrelevant at this point. They clearly have no intention of producing an asic and are just scheming to try and exit this fiasco with as much money as possible and avoid prison. Although if forum member "Mick" is true to his word they may have some burly Albanians on their tail. Mick
Customer
Re: Developmental Update 9/2/2014
« Reply #71 on: September 18, 2014, 01:29:13 PM »
I had a a few Friends in Manchester go to the Alpha office The place has been abandoned for months (phone disconnected, mail piled up in the doorway). The general consensus from the the local people and businesses is that Alpha are a bunch of crooks and their customers have been scammed.
Mubasher Akram ... if I do not have my order to 2 October
or my money is completely with me again.
then some of my Albanian friends are in England begin to seek you.
consider yourself lucky if you
the police found earlier.
Nuff said yep. the whole thing is feckin' bizzare. some wacky e-mail saying just respond and we'll send you something. no clarification on what, no clarification on when, no clarification on what acceptance of that 'refund' means. have they even ordered anything? even if there was a fookup with the tapeout, again, there should be piles of other shit laying around by now. even the most unmotivated photographer on earth should be able to find something to point a camera at by this point in the supposed development timeline. is there anyone working there but one deranged wack-job? Is he even working there anymore? strange days indeed. |
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I didn't receive a letter for a refund. It appears this is because I only paid the deposit VIA Paypal. I was under the assumption I didn't need to pay in full until the credit card option was operational, which was only for a day or two before it was taken down. Probably because the credit card processor had red flags this was a scam. I guess I am screwed on my deposit money...
My question is should I pursue any recourse through paypal ( if possible ) this late of a stage in the game?
how did you pay through paypal? Credit card, bank transfer? If it's credit card go to the credit card company 1st. |
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I'd have to wonder about this refund and what the strings are.
obviously there is a delay announcement coming and I also wonder how many people still owe the balance of their original order.
does getting this refund negate the ability to sue or going for a chargeback? will they expect the balance, less this "refund"? does this mean you now agree to their terms, whatever the hell they are, now, such as 'you are business'?
there just aren't enough details in the e-mail.
"respond to this and we'll send you something." wuzza-huzzah? did I win a feckin door prize or some sweepstakes or something?
this is weird shit.
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they are bleeding money through chargebacks and lawsuits.
As far as I am aware, they have not lost much [if anything] on legal cases. There is currently only one case on this thread of someone winning (and that was by default) through small claims - but no update as to the status of whether the refund was indeed given. My guess is that it wasn't/hasn't been [yet]. You're correct, I won in small claims but haven't received anything yet I wonder what you have to do have the judgement enforced. Any idea? |
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I have received my full refund, via chargeback from Barclaycard.
I had paid through Paypal who refused to do anything due to being over 45 days. Barclaycard have refunded within a month with no questions asked.
I am so glad this is over.....
Yep, mine was a Barclaycard also. They were good about the whole thing. The rep laughed outright at this whole "you're a business" claim being made by Alpha and said "oh no, they can't do that." They asked me to send supporting docs and bada-bing, bada-boom a few days later the provisional credit showed up. When PayPal pushed back I had to resend some of the same stuff to rebut their "you are a business" tripe, but that was the end of it. The whole thing was pretty painless. Took maybe an hour to put the docs together and maybe 20 minutes on the phone presenting the whole thing to their fraud dept, but I'd say that was worth the amount I had tied up with these people. Congrats on getting your money back from these guys. |
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Any news on this? When it will be delivered? I know we are pushy but still we have paid for that product..
Honestly I don't think it is going to happen at all. they are bleeding money through chargebacks and lawsuits. they have no updates with 2 weeks to supposed delivery and I haven't seen a photo of any component. nothing in terms of a power supply, board, chip, not so much as a damn wingnut. ditto on the assembly line. nothing. the dam has burst, IMO, in terms of customers successfully getting their money back, they are nowhere near shipping anything and they're going under. I think they are busier with their lawyers than their suppliers right now and this one is going to fold without shipping anything. ever. This really is how I see it. not trying to spread FUD. I think they got in way over their heads, were long on arrogance and bullshit, but short on know how or anything that actually mattered, and they've totally flopped. It's game over. |
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Any news on this? When it will be delivered? I know we are pushy but still we have paid for that product..
Their only employee, the owner, was last quoted as saying they are still on track for shipping before the end of the month, and will beat the competition to delivery. Take that with a bag of salt. not a chance in hell. the last update was still of drawings. I haven't seen a picture of a single component. no reports of anything. PayPal tried to fight my chargeback, but couldn't dispute the fact that they were in violation of The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/1277/contents/madethey came with the argument that the DSR's didn't apply because I was a business, as these assholes tried to claim. In my filing and in my response I again asserted that I wasn't a business because they damn well had to tell me I was a business before purchase. Not telling us that is a misleading omission, even if they did intend that, which I don't believe they ever did in the first place. I don't think the wankers even knew what the DSR's were and figured their TOS would be enough. It's not. The chargeback has been finalized and it's all over at this point for me. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/1277/regulation/6/madeAs soon as I mentioned that in an e-mail to Alpha even prior to filing with my CC company for a chargeback Alpha offered a 50% refund, and I mean within minutes I got some hastily clattered out message that they would do it for a good faith gesture or some such shit. instantly gone was the canned response and cocky bullshit attitude I'd dealt with for days about their top shelf legal team and how I could just sod off. all of that was gone in an instant. It's the gaping hole in their argument and totally neutralizes this stupid 'you're a business' claim before they can even make it. don't forget to use that. I think they tried to pull this shit without legal advice and their attorneys have told them that their goose is fucking cooked if people get onto that. I know it scared the piss out of them and stopped PayPal in their tracks when they tried to jam it back to me. |
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Next they'll blame all of the chargebacks and court cases for failing. they just plumb ran out of money and couldn't order a damn thing.
not that they didn't have plenty of chances to get it done, but Mubasher is a low-life pussy-boy who won't be able to blame himself. those that saw this months ago and yanked their money before he could spend it on his whores will be blamed for doing exactly what they should have done in grabbing their money and getting the fuck out of Dodge.
those that haven't, don't wait another second. This is going down in a fireball that makes the Hindenberg look like a damn camera flash.
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Yeah, I realized that long after. Work was a bit wonky yesterday, had my head spinning.
The number is right, the ph was wrong though.
Either way.. Alphatech still at a record-breaking 0!
We will beat everyone to market with our 0 zigametahash machines! and YOU will be investors in our new 0 zigametahash machines! how lucky it is to be you! This whole thing is a giant meltdown. If they ship anything that actually works as it's supposed to I will be genuinely surprised. If anyone hasn't gone for their refund through their CC or the court system, you'd better get moving. |
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Jesus Christ this video was publish by BA!?  Is this a joke? I've never heard of any company telling their customers to remove electrical parts from their products, wtf? This would probably violate so many laws. Do you think Samsung would release a video explaining to their customers how to replace the speakers from their televisions? No joke!!! I found it here: http://ecointalk.net/topic/1397-guide-to-removal-of-1500uf-electrolytic-capacitors/This video on trying to stop your miner catching on fire brought to you by the people that claim your miner cannot catch on fire. |
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Man this thread is still a train wreck....glad that amex saw it my way and I got a full refund....it is credit card protection on purchases
for EVERYTHING from now on...even my puny paypal purchases on ebay......learned my lesson
imho (like I know anything I ordered from these guys..got refunded..but still ordered from them so what do i know)
anyway they will get some kinda half assed hacked together product like BFL did prob middle or end of oct at best ...then
they will simply claim they were 'stupid' and not a scam ...see we shipped product...and then get out of going to jail with
that under their belt and proceed with normal bankruptcy....to tell the truth they are so clueless that likely they would
take a straight we screwed up pay a fine even if it bankrupted the alpha T corp..just to get themselves out of this mess
again my view
but then again I was an alpha customer (refunded ...another thank god needed here)
so I likely am a bad source for future telling ...(all things considered in hindsight!)
Searing
Pretty much how I see it too. they're done. I think they're busy burying as much money in mason jars in the back yard as they can or maybe figuring out how they can try to wiggle out of the Q3 hard delivery date or any personal liability. when they're done they'll fold. they've been too quiet to have anything really going on. if they were serious about building this thing before month end, or at at all, we'd be seeing pictures of components and the facility. Instead it's still drawings and simulations. |
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"According to the 2nd September blog post on the company’s official site, the ASICs are now undergoing thermal tests and simulations. The development team also released diagrams of the updated enclosure, which the company previously said was being reimagined. The team added that it expects to begin shipping the Viper later this month, " they're running simulations. haven't even gone to tapeout yet. my "manufacturing simulation" shows that odds of delivery by month end are zero. good news is that every single customer is good to say 'oh, you're now super-duper even out of your illegal TOS late, give me my money back' these guys are going under. I think they know it too, hence no tapeout, no delivery of components, nothing. why spend the money. shovel as much as you can out the door and declare bankruptcy. |
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from ecointalk:
"Chemek, on 07 Sept 2014 - 5:04 PM, said:
Where the fuck is the warning email? My x3 have been running upp to this very moment, and I accidentally went back to the forum to see what's going on. Are you out of your mind?
In sure there or others customers who received their x3 and are still note informed."
THEY ARE NOT EVEN LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEIR MINERS COULD LITERALLY BURN THEIR HOUSE DOWN.
What the hell is wrong with these people.
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they deleted this for some reason. pretty harmless post. wtf black arrow? well, it means they don't like it, which means I'll post it 1000 times if I have to. fuck these people and their lying, illegal bullshit. could be this: from ecointalk: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/black-arrow-minion-14nm-asic-tape-out-setdecember-2014/#post-41680from the article: "In a world where scam ASIC manufacturers are the norm, how do you show the world that you mean business and will work to release profitable equipment to your customers? We are not aware of any scam ASIC manufacturers so we cannot comment on this. " they're not aware of any scam ASIC manufacturers? good lord. the whole industry is as dirty as a pig stye after a hurricane. |
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