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1081  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Computer Scientists Prove God Exists on: November 02, 2013, 12:23:43 AM
Remember: there has never been a single fact, theory, or model that science has been able to prove beyond all doubt, and as long as the scientific method is utilized, this will remain the case forever.

Science can't prove shit.  Never has, never will.
1082  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: November 02, 2013, 12:17:56 AM
Rassah:

Do you believe there are non-empirical truths or undecideable truths (e.g. "This sentence is false") that are real? 

If so, why do you not include at least minimal consideration of these truths in your model of understanding of the Universe?

If not, then why don't you believe these truths exist when they have been acknowledged by prestigious mathematicians, scientists, and philosophers (and especially when some are self-evidently real)?
1083  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Religion on: November 01, 2013, 01:44:53 PM
iPhone fudged results.  Accidentally submitted polytheist.  Meant to put 'other' as I believe in dual-aspect monism.
1084  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: November 01, 2013, 03:20:14 AM
If you and someone else are at different points on a number line, and you calculate that 0 is 6 numbers away,n while someone else calculates that 0 is 15 numbers away, the 0 is still at the same exact spot. So our calculations of the age of the universe may be earth-centric, but it still tells us when the universe popped into existence. So I'm not sure why you have a problem with the age.

Because the way things age is absolutely mind-fucking!  And then to go ahead and tack a number to it that is presented as concrete does a complete injustice to the utility that can be gained by looking at the forest instead of the trees, or at basically any valid consideration outside a prima facie worldview.
1085  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL calling about discount promotion (lol) on: October 31, 2013, 09:21:52 PM
Could've just been a coincidence, with the sales rep latching onto an existing point of (what she thought was) trust in order to try and get a sale. Did she ever say without prompting what it was she was selling?

Without prompting, she said she was calling because "for this week only" they are offering around 25% off (I actually think she said 24% off, but the accent was thick) on all products.  She didn't specify an exact model, but then again I never really gave her the chance to.  She called my cell phone while I was at work and didn't have time to screw around.
1086  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 31, 2013, 06:04:41 PM
No, I know they take this into account, but that doesn't really mean anything if they continue to ignore the problem this creates.

So are you claiming you understand the problem this creates, and they didn't, and didn't account for it?

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So, you've reached a determination of the static age of the Universe when various objects contained within that Universe age differently.  

Let's assume I'm moving at some velocity V ad that this causes my experience of 1 second to be (relatively) twice the length of a second that is experienced by you.  Now assume I move at this velocity for a billion years. I have thus relatively aged only 500 million years compared to your 1 billion.  Are you saying that after this, the Universe is still some 13.8 billion years old relative to both of us?

No. You would calculate the age of the universe relative to your timeline, and I would calculate it relative to my timeline. We calculated the age of the universe relative to earth's timeline, based on all the movements, accelerations, and decelerations of things we see out there. The age of the universe would be slightly different if we were calculating it from Mars, not the least of which due to the "year" on Mars being different than the year on Earth.

So...where do you disagree with me then?  I agree with these statements.  The whole purpose of my suggestion to take measurements from the event horizon of a black hole is because one would age at a significantly different rate there.
1087  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 31, 2013, 05:19:57 PM
I don't have a problem with the big bang insofar as it explains the expanding Universe, but I have a problem with the purported age of the Universe.

Take your measuring devices near the event horizon of a black hole, look out, and then tell me what the age of the Universe is.  The age of the Universe has been determined upon math, based upon empirical data collected from a relational area of space with unique spatial properties that determine the evidence.  Simply put, you see what you see because of where you are.  Go somewhere else, you might see something different.  If I travel at the speed of light while you remain stationary, we 'age' differently.  Does the age of the Universe therefore change because we aged differently, or does it remain the same?  The answer is "yes."  You need to re-evaluate your idea of time and age.

Are you actually claiming that you are smart enough to realize that this should be taken into account, and astrophysicists were too dumb to take effects of relativity, gravity, speed, and time dialation into account when calculating the age of the universe?
(Yes, you can calculate time near the event horizoon, since you can calculate the mass of the black hole you are orbiting, and adjust for time dialatioon from the nearby gravity well using well established relativity functions).

No, I know they take this into account, but that doesn't really mean anything if they continue to ignore the problem this creates.

So, you've reached a determination of the static age of the Universe when various objects contained within that Universe age differently.  

Let's assume I'm moving at some velocity V ad that this causes my experience of 1 second to be (relatively) twice the length of a second that is experienced by you.  Now assume I move at this velocity for a billion years. I have thus relatively aged only 500 million years compared to your 1 billion.  Are you saying that after this, the Universe is still some 13.8 billion years old relative to both of us?
1088  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL calling about discount promotion (lol) on: October 31, 2013, 12:23:20 AM
Well done OP! Screw Josh!

\m/ \m/
1089  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 30, 2013, 02:08:26 AM
I'm sorry, but I have to point out that the idea that the Universe is 13.8 billion years old is fraught with so many problems that I can't believe it's still asserted by scientists. 

On a somewhat similar note, I also find it funny that the 'Big Bang,' a theory with a name seemingly created by a Neanderthal, is where the explanatory buck stops.

I'd (nearly) stake my life on a bet that in the (probably) not-so-distant future we're going to be looking at the Big Bang in the same context as the flat earth theory.

Flat earth was fairly easy to disprove: just keep traveling, and you'll go beyond the horizon, or built a tower tall enough, and you can see farther, even over the flat ocean. I'd love to see the problems you mention regarding the big bang. I'd also like to hear an alternative explanation to the fact that the universe is expanding, and at a decelerating rate, which also includes all the considerations for time, space, speed, and gravity, and how they play on each other (the farther you go back in time, the closer everything is, the stronger the gravity, and the slower the time moves, so essentially, you can't go back in time without time itself slowing down more and more). So far everything we have observed in the universe keeps confirming this theory.

I don't have a problem with the big bang insofar as it explains the expanding Universe, but I have a problem with the purported age of the Universe.

Take your measuring devices near the event horizon of a black hole, look out, and then tell me what the age of the Universe is.  The age of the Universe has been determined upon math, based upon empirical data collected from a relational area of space with unique spatial properties that determine the evidence.  Simply put, you see what you see because of where you are.  Go somewhere else, you might see something different.  If I travel at the speed of light while you remain stationary, we 'age' differently.  Does the age of the Universe therefore change because we aged differently, or does it remain the same?  The answer is "yes."  You need to re-evaluate your idea of time and age.
1090  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Origin of the Human DNA on: October 30, 2013, 01:43:21 AM
For example: free will. The jury has been out on that one for ages, and they're still arguing about it.
Assuming it doesn't exist, when it comes to sexual reproduction we have no choice in the matter because we're just machines obeying our DNA programming.
Assuming it does exist, our free choices could legimately affect future generations.

Isn't our reproductive drive still controlled by what we find attractive? Thus, we seek out women with big boobs and big hips, and women seek out slim, muscular men? I don't think there's a lot of free will in what we find attractive, eve if cultural biases change.

What I find attractive has morphed continuously over the years, and it's largely because of my choices and my lifestyle.  In times when I've made more reckless choices, I've been attracted to more 'reckless' women with a certain physical appearance.  Over the past few years when I've been trying to become a responsible adult, my tastes have changed.
1091  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Origin of the Human DNA on: October 30, 2013, 12:49:08 AM
If you choose the first answer "Natural evolution", please describe how "random mutations" increase genetic information as opposed to actually destroying it.
I believe the answer to this is philosophical.
Why does anything have to exist at all?
Because, I believe, everything must have an opposite. Including "nothingness".
In order for there to be "nothing" there also has to be "something".
Likewise, in order for there to be darkness, there has to be light.
In order for the opposite of nothingness to exist, there has to be a creating intelligence behind it.  Which is why intelligent life evolves in the universe.
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the big bang, which came from where?
This intelligence, if it reaches the maximum intelligence possible, will be able to create other universes (big bangs) in which life will evolve in order for the perpetual creation of universes to be sustained.

In other words, DNA comes from a process originating from nothing at all.

I mostly agree with these ideas.  But if nothingness and somethingness necessitate each other, then there must be some relational medium binding both nothingness and somethingness...a set containing both, or an archetype for all sets in general.
1092  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Origin of the Human DNA on: October 30, 2013, 12:32:16 AM
I'd like to see a definition of "species" sufficient enough to account for all of life, without exception, before answering this question.

By the way, the best definition I can think of for a human is that "a human has two human parents," but that would be problematic for evolution (i.e. the first human would have to have come from non-human parents).  So...complicated question.

That's because there is not such thing as the first human, every animal or plant is always "between" species...

Yep.  I made reference to this being "problematic for evolution" because speciation is included in modern theories of evolution -- it answers the question, "What do we call this new thing that can no longer get it on with that other thing?"
1093  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Origin of the Human DNA on: October 29, 2013, 10:17:05 PM
I'd like to see a definition of "species" sufficient enough to account for all of life, without exception, before answering this question.

By the way, the best definition I can think of for a human is that "a human has two human parents," but that would be problematic for evolution (i.e. the first human would have to have come from non-human parents).  So...complicated question.
1094  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL calling about discount promotion (lol) on: October 29, 2013, 08:15:39 PM
I'm really wondering where they got my cell number from, though... I transferred my account.

I think you may have answered your own question.

...Transferred to a known and respected community member who has operated (and still operates) a successful bitcoin business for some time.
1095  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL calling about discount promotion (lol) on: October 29, 2013, 07:44:51 PM
Obviously it wasn't BFL if the call came from Oregon...  You should've expressed interest and seen the pathetic scammer attempt to collect the money.  I wonder if she was planning to read you a bitcoin address over the phone to make payment.   Cheesy

That was confusing to me too.  I assumed they were outsourcing their customer service to the famous Indians of Oregon.

And lmao that would've been hilarious.

Edit:  I'm really wondering where they got my cell number from, though.  Not that it wouldn't be hard to obtain knowing who I am, but this makes me think they somehow got access to my BFL account (which isn't really mine anymore since I sold my preorder and transferred my account long ago).  In any case, they knew my name, number, and they knew I was a past BFL customer.
1096  Economy / Service Discussion / BFL calling about discount promotion (lol) on: October 29, 2013, 07:19:32 PM
I just received an unexpected phone call from butterfly labs.  The number was showing up as originating from Oregon.  The number was 971-208-9936.

The lady I spoke with had a thick Indian-like accent.  I thought she kept saying she was a representative from "Butterfly Sales," but I eventually asked if she meant Butterfly Labs, and she confirmed this.

She told me that they are offering, "for this week only," discounts of something like 25% off any purchase.

I told her I would never do business with them again, that they should never call me again, and that I am considering contacting a lawyer about their business practices.

The lady said she "didn't understand."  I told her I didn't care if she understood.  Then I hung up.

Anybody else getting calls like this?

Hey, Josh.  Up yours, buddy.
1097  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 28, 2013, 09:15:15 PM

That doesn't mean you can move energy/matter from one space to another. If I create that lead sphere and take it into the vacuum of space, I didn't destroy energy, air, or photons inside it, I just let them espace into the surrounding areas. Also, if you say that there is no such thing as nothing, that would mean the energy of the universe is infinite, and that either the universe has existed for ever, or that light travels faster than the speed of light. So that no matter how far you go, you will always have energy and matter. But we know that's now true. We know that the universe was created 13.8 billion years ago, and we know that light travels at a limited speed, so we know that there is absolutely nothing farther than 13.8 billion light years away. There is a limit boundary to the universe, and if you travel faster than the speed of light to get past that boundary, eventually you will get to a space where no matter, energy, light, or universe exists.


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What boundaries?  I used to think we lived in a box until I contemplated what was outside of the box.

How does what is outside the box change the fact that inside the box there can still be nothing?

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One cannot stop experiencing, one can only experience nothing.

If you are "experiencing" nothing, then that nothing exists, since you are experiencing it... right?

I'm sorry, but I have to point out that the idea that the Universe is 13.8 billion years old is fraught with so many problems that I can't believe it's still asserted by scientists. 

On a somewhat similar note, I also find it funny that the 'Big Bang,' a theory with a name seemingly created by a Neanderthal, is where the explanatory buck stops.

I'd (nearly) stake my life on a bet that in the (probably) not-so-distant future we're going to be looking at the Big Bang in the same context as the flat earth theory.
1098  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Coinbase Stole My Money on: October 27, 2013, 09:36:17 PM
This has happened to dozens of users, including myself on my first coinbase transaction.

I opened up a support ticket or sent an email (I forget which) and the problem was resolved within 24 hours and I received my coins.

I wouldn't worry about it, and your situation will likely be resolved if you're diligent about following up with it.

Post back if there are continuing issues.  Keep in mind it's also the weekend.
1099  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: How mining demand affects Bitcoin prices. on: October 27, 2013, 08:40:27 PM
Those who think price only affects difficulty as a one way function are logically impaired.
Great contribution. Keep it up.

Nobody said one way connection anyway

Correction:  dozens of people in (probably) dozens of threads have said that it's a one way function.  No need for the snide remark, it's a common misconception on this forum.
1100  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why I bought a mining contract on: October 27, 2013, 04:31:08 PM
I think it is a service.  Where would you classify it?

The services section is typically used to offer a particular service, or to ask for a service that someone else might be able to offer.
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