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1081  Economy / Speculation / Re: The bubble has popped, slow decline to $3 on the way on: June 25, 2012, 05:20:27 AM
@ Miscreanity,

Out of curiosity, are those the indicators you use most frequently?  I always use RSI, MACD, and Money Flow Index (and momentum) when I head to Bitcoincharts.com
1082  Other / Off-topic / Re: Buy your BFL bitcoins back from BitPay on: June 25, 2012, 05:13:00 AM
Bit-Pay is a true bro.  I'm very happy to see you're being so responsible about this unique scenario.
1083  Economy / Speculation / Re: The bubble has popped, slow decline to $3 on the way on: June 25, 2012, 05:06:39 AM
Since when is a month-long 20% value increase a bubble?
1084  Economy / Speculation / Re: The bubble has popped, slow decline to $3 on the way on: June 25, 2012, 04:45:03 AM
What bubble?
1085  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If god is a mathmatical formula, is it safe to say that Bitcoin is backed by god on: June 25, 2012, 02:48:21 AM
Also, you can trace back mathematics to something more fundamental, such as language...

All that is needed to constitute a language is syntax, content, and grammar.

Math is just a subset of language.
1086  Economy / Marketplace / Re: ["WAIT LIST"] BFL SC Jalapeno/Single Order Dates / Ship Dates on: June 25, 2012, 01:25:35 AM
Why no SC mini rig tally?
1087  Economy / Marketplace / Re: ["WAIT LIST"] BFL SC Jalapeno/Single Order Dates / Ship Dates on: June 24, 2012, 11:30:30 PM
6/23/2012    1769          N      3      0      -         -      The Joint
1088  Other / Off-topic / Re: BFL Preorders -- What did you get? | Who has the lowest order number? on: June 24, 2012, 09:33:51 PM
4x SC Mini-Rigs and a few Jalapenos for the folks, to keep their coffee's warm while they help me take over Bitcoin.

I want to be the first 4+TH Miner.

Damn bro, I hope you're one of the first to receive these!

If you are, you'll probably make tens of thousands more in the first few months alone compared to if you're near the back of the line.  Good luck with your investment!
1089  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is NOT a decentralize currency on: June 24, 2012, 09:28:45 PM
stupid, or just fudding?

Well, his observation is neither smart, nor rational, so I'm gonna say C: All of the above

C:/user/desktop/stupid/fudding/alloftheabove/findthebadmen...execute!!!

Windows paths use backward slashes lol FAIL \\\

Wow, look at you!   Ya got me.  You're really on top of your game today!

 Roll Eyes
1090  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is NOT a decentralize currency on: June 24, 2012, 09:03:41 PM
stupid, or just fudding?

Well, his observation is neither smart, nor rational, so I'm gonna say C: All of the above

C:/user/desktop/stupid/fudding/alloftheabove/findthebadmen...execute!!!
1091  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: RE: "The root causes of mental illness." on: June 24, 2012, 08:42:59 PM
I want people to be their highest power. That's all I meant, joint.

Now, state your point. I am intrigued.

As you wish.

Quote
My cause...:  It is for every individual...

Every individual includes me, by the way.

Compared with...

Quote

I'm sick of you saying you knows whats best and that you know how to live my life...etc. etc....

You're not god....


Though, to some extent, this is besides the point because the whole intended message of my mental illness thread is that people do, in fact, wield an incredible amount of power and that they have control over their lives.

Guess what I voted for in your poll?
1092  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If god is a mathmatical formula, is it safe to say that Bitcoin is backed by god on: June 24, 2012, 10:15:59 AM
Rene Descartes is the mathematical philosopher who in addition to giving us Cartesian coordinates also wrote:

"I think therefore I am".

Interestingly his view on the validity of the input of his senses actually appealed to the existence of god: (Wikipedia)

"Descartes also wrote a response to skepticism about the existence of the external world. He argues that sensory perceptions come to him involuntarily, and are not willed by him. They are external to his senses, and according to Descartes, this is evidence of the existence of something outside of his mind, and thus, an external world. Descartes goes on to show that the things in the external world are material by arguing that god would not deceive him as to the ideas that are being transmitted, and that God has given him the "propensity" to believe that such ideas are caused by material things."

He basically used god's existence as an axiom and the validity of his senses is inferred as a corollary.

He did live in the early 17th Century, so this might have been to appease the very powerful Roman Catholic church. You can imagine he was quite a radical thinker for his time.


If you were to use Descartes's philosophy, not only are bitcoins backed by god but every image you see, perfume you smell and the texture of everything you touch are also backed by god.


I have a maths degree from Cambridge University and have thus have seen hundreds of mathematical proofs. I can honestly say that not a single one of them started with an axiom:
1) Suppose there is an omnipotent, omniscient being god, which we will call G.




Interesting though that Descartes asserted that there is essentially an absolute chasm between mental and physical reality which leads him to completely contradict himself.
1093  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: RE: "The root causes of mental illness." on: June 24, 2012, 09:52:38 AM


My cause...: It is for every individual...



Interesting.

Dare I clarify the irony/hypocrisy?

There is no contradiction. I selfishly enjoy the liberation of others.

You seriously don't see the irony in what you said?  Really?

Edit:  I'll give you a hint.  It involves something that you accused me of and condemned me for.
1094  Other / Off-topic / Re: The root causes of mental illness on: June 24, 2012, 04:26:55 AM

Thanks for the plus one and I think you do get what I mean but check this out, In my perspective what you just said is flawed(aka Not the Ultimate Truth, fake truth) in my interpretation(even though I know what your really saying I just want to show others my perspective of this type of thinking)

Quote from: Xenlands perspective
I see what you're getting at. I think that's half of it, for true knowledge I believe is still useless without application.  First you need to know what is true and correct, and then you need to act with that knowledge.

Lol.

Yeah, the perspective issue is always the confusing part.

I tried to address this problem earlier in this thread with my explanation of different levels of logic.  We must always try to explain higher levels of logical syntax by first thrusting them into a lower level of logical syntax.  The example I gave for this is how we, as 3rd dimensional beings try to explain the 4th dimension by acting as though it were the 2nd dimension and thus capable of being understood comprehensively by our intellect (e.g. by representing the 4th dimension as a tesseract on a piece of paper).
1095  Other / Off-topic / Re: The root causes of mental illness on: June 24, 2012, 04:06:18 AM
I have boiled down the root causes of mental illness to 3 things; feedback and comments/challenges are encouraged.

1)  Desire (I'll go with the Buddha on this one)
2)  Attempting to control things that are beyond one's control (an offshoot of desire)
3)  Identification with a false concept of identity.

Brief explanations:

1)  Desire:  Whenever a person has any type of desire, it implies that they are dissatisfied with what currently 'is.'  Dissatisfaction implies discontent and a lack of happiness.  If you want something that you don't currently have, this is a problem.

2)  Attempting to control things that are beyond one's control:  This is one of the leading causes of anxiety, anger, etc.  How often do we define our own happiness according to the actions of other people, communities, governments, girlfriends/boyfriends, husbands/wives, etc.?  How often do we become frustrated when our attempts to change these people, communities, governments, etc. fail?

3)  Identification with a false concept of identity:  Who are you?  How did you reach that conclusion?  According to all 11 definitions of identity in Webster's Dictionary, identity implies stability over time.  Yet, how often do we identity/define ourselves conditionally?  For example, let's say that someone says, "I am a teacher."  Ok, great.  Now, if your job is in jeopardy, then your identity is also in jeopardy!  Now, in contrast, how many would have answered this question by saying "I am an observer"?  For, as long as we live, we observe.

Note:  I would expect one of the most common challenges to these assertions would be, "Well, what about chemical imbalances?  What about genetic predispositions?"  To this, I would remind everyone that environment vs. genes (i.e. nature vs. nurture) is a false dichotomy.  It is known scientifically that interactions with our environment has effects on the genome which are then passed down and inherited generation by generation.  Thus, I would assert that any 'genetic predispositions' for a mental illness are the results of the 3 root causes that I listed to begin with, but in previous generations.
Basically ignorance is the root of all mental illness.

The Tibetan (Buddhism) philosophy has it right in my opinion as they acknowledge that their is two truths (but only one is the real truth, just stay with me).
The fake truth is when you watch tv you see a silly cartoon cat chasing a mouse.
The ultimate and real truth is you are viewing tiny dots of light.

So I say ignorance is the root of all mental illness because its ignorant to think one exists at all or even acknowledge an "I", "me" or "you" unless they are talking about the ultimate one "I", the infinite self.


I see what you're getting at.  I think that's half of it, for true knowledge I believe is still useless without application.  First you need to know what is true and correct, and then you need to act with that knowledge.  I think it's kind of like a feedback loop wherein knolwedge --> action -- > more knowledge --> more action etc. with better refinements each time.

I'd still give ya a +1 because I'm pretty sure I know what you mean.
1096  Bitcoin / Hardware / [Archive] BFL trolling museum on: June 24, 2012, 03:58:52 AM
Pre-order options for ASICs went live on the BFL site. If you're into that sort of thing.  Cool

Ohh and I have the lowest order number Cool

Dammit Garr you're making me jelly Tongue

But wasn't OgNasty claiming first spot Smiley?

First jalapeno vs. first single I believe.
1097  Other / Off-topic / Re: The root causes of mental illness on: June 24, 2012, 03:49:42 AM
Interesting, I imagine music would serve as a proxy clock. Each song is about 3 minutes long, etc.

I was going to use songs from various genres that are incredibly long relative to the average song.  I had some pre-selected classical and heavy metal tracks (to name a couple of genres) that run as long as 30 minutes specifically because the average time it would take a normal person to complete the word search was far less than 30 minutes.   
1098  Other / Off-topic / Re: The root causes of mental illness on: June 24, 2012, 03:29:04 AM

I've become a complete convert to the bayesian way of thinking. I believe once there is a critical mass of researchers thinking in that manner it will go a long way towards improving the system. Second point is that researchers need to reduce their reliance on government funding in every way possible. The very basis of the funding is arguably unethical, on top of that it relies on a relatively easily corruptible, centralized authority to distribute funds for reasons other than merit. Science is very, very sick right now and I know I am not alone in this opinion. I don't have time now but once I have finished my current project I plan to spend some time developing a system to crowdsource funding of individual components of research proposals (to supplement government funding..for now) and crowdsource some of the tedious work when possible. I would encourage others to attempt the same in their free time.

I think Christopher Langan said it best about the peer-review system of meritocracy.  First off, unless you have at least a masters degree (and usually only a doctoral degree, depending on the field), nobody in academia really cares about what you have to say.  If I recall, Langan asserted that even those with advanced degrees can only make little "tentative moves" forward, but nobody is really able to do anything too radical to shake things up.

Case in point, I took an undergraduate research and design class for which we had to submit a research proposal to the APA board then then conduct a scientific experiment.  The APA board turned down my initial research proposal.  You know why it was rejected?  It wasn't because it was unethical or ridiculous...it was rejected because nobody had done it yet.

In other words, I was not allowed to conduct an experiment simply because I had nobody to cite.  What a load of bullshit.

Well perhaps they wouldn't give you money because you haven't "shown you could do it" which is legitimate when it comes to novel experiments. The problem is that many people considered capable actually aren't, instead CV's and publications are used as a heuristic.

This wasn't even about funding.  It was a simple research experiment (quasi-experiment) using student participants from the Psychology 101 class.  They didn't need to give a dime to any of us.

In that case... SCIENCE FAIL. There is opportunity cost to everything though. What did you end up doing instead?

My rejected proposal involved testing the effects of different types of music on a person's perception of the passage of time while conducting a simple task (e.g. such as a word search).

My accepted proposal involved testing the effects of the presence of a clock in the room on a person's perception of the passage of time while conducting a simple task (e.g. such as a word search).  One group conducted a word search with a clock present somewhere in the room.  The 2nd group conducted the same word search, but the clock was removed from the room.  Participants then answered a questionnaire about the task they completed, and one of the questions asked them how much time believe had elapsed from the time they began the word search until the time they finished.

Results of the study indicated that participants believed that a longer period of time had elapsed when a clock was present in the room than when the clock was not present.  The clock was actually placed behind them during the task so they could only see the clock upon entering the room, but not while performing the task or completing the questionnaire. 
1099  Other / Off-topic / Re: The root causes of mental illness on: June 24, 2012, 03:12:55 AM

I've become a complete convert to the bayesian way of thinking. I believe once there is a critical mass of researchers thinking in that manner it will go a long way towards improving the system. Second point is that researchers need to reduce their reliance on government funding in every way possible. The very basis of the funding is arguably unethical, on top of that it relies on a relatively easily corruptible, centralized authority to distribute funds for reasons other than merit. Science is very, very sick right now and I know I am not alone in this opinion. I don't have time now but once I have finished my current project I plan to spend some time developing a system to crowdsource funding of individual components of research proposals (to supplement government funding..for now) and crowdsource some of the tedious work when possible. I would encourage others to attempt the same in their free time.

I think Christopher Langan said it best about the peer-review system of meritocracy.  First off, unless you have at least a masters degree (and usually only a doctoral degree, depending on the field), nobody in academia really cares about what you have to say.  If I recall, Langan asserted that even those with advanced degrees can only make little "tentative moves" forward, but nobody is really able to do anything too radical to shake things up.

Case in point, I took an undergraduate research and design class for which we had to submit a research proposal to the APA board then then conduct a scientific experiment.  The APA board turned down my initial research proposal.  You know why it was rejected?  It wasn't because it was unethical or ridiculous...it was rejected because nobody had done it yet.

In other words, I was not allowed to conduct an experiment simply because I had nobody to cite.  What a load of bullshit.

Well perhaps they wouldn't give you money because you haven't "shown you could do it" which is legitimate when it comes to novel experiments. The problem is that many people considered capable actually aren't, instead CV's and publications are used as a heuristic.

This wasn't even about funding.  It was a simple research experiment (quasi-experiment) using student participants from the Psychology 101 class.  They didn't need to give a dime to any of us.
1100  Other / Off-topic / Re: The root causes of mental illness on: June 24, 2012, 03:05:12 AM

I've become a complete convert to the bayesian way of thinking. I believe once there is a critical mass of researchers thinking in that manner it will go a long way towards improving the system. Second point is that researchers need to reduce their reliance on government funding in every way possible. The very basis of the funding is arguably unethical, on top of that it relies on a relatively easily corruptible, centralized authority to distribute funds for reasons other than merit. Science is very, very sick right now and I know I am not alone in this opinion. I don't have time now but once I have finished my current project I plan to spend some time developing a system to crowdsource funding of individual components of research proposals (to supplement government funding..for now) and crowdsource some of the tedious work when possible. I would encourage others to attempt the same in their free time.

I think Christopher Langan said it best about the peer-review system of meritocracy.  First off, unless you have at least a masters degree (and usually only a doctoral degree, depending on the field), nobody in academia really cares about what you have to say.  If I recall, Langan asserted that even those with advanced degrees can only make little "tentative moves" forward, but nobody is really able to do anything too radical to shake things up.

Case in point, I took an undergraduate research design class for which we had to submit a research proposal to the APA board and then conduct a scientific experiment.  The APA board turned down my initial research proposal.  You know why it was rejected?  It wasn't because it was unethical or ridiculous...it was rejected because nobody had done it yet.

In other words, I was not allowed to conduct an experiment simply because I had nobody to cite.  What a load of bullshit.
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