I doubt if they held the 750 BTC escrow funds in a separate wallet.  Not likely as BTC are fungible.

Do you have any other info from Bter on the account holders, such as BTC account money was sent from?

Looking at Bter, they have suspended trading on half the coins.  The left hand window shows 0.00% change in price for them.

Also Qora seems to be rising.  Must be the NXT sellers moving there.

You have a list of XCR holders?  What is the key for listing each owner, as we dont have XCR wallets yet.  Does it list by Bter account number?  If that is the case, every one needs to copy down their account number.  If Bter goes dark, that may be lost.

Look at the situation if you were the hacker.  You would have NXT that you cannot spend.  To deposit any of it in other exchanges would expose your identity.  The other exchange would then embargo the account and notify Bter.  The blockchain will also expose any transfer of the NXT.

Any purchase made with the stolen NXT would be traceable to the hacker as well.

He is stuck.  He can only stall for time and hope Bter pays.

Frankly, I dont think the hacker should be rewarded for his crime.  They should reset the blockchain and then offer a reward for his head, or fingers.

But THEY DON'T HAVE A WEEK.  



I am confident they will get their money back from the "hacker".

Having lived in Asia for several years and another experience with the chinese in San Fran (see Norman Hsu on Wiki, pay special attention to Raymond Kwok Chow), I am intimately familiar with their methods of collection.  

We only need Bter to stay in business for a week.  That will give us all time to get our personal wallets and withdraw our XCR, and for the devs to get their 750BTC, minus the escrow fee of 1%.

After that.... who cares.

If the devs just pull out from Bter, demanding the BTC and the genesis block, they would not have the current list of XCR owners.

The devs could then only refund the BTC to the pre-sale investors, as they would have the BTC addresses.  This would likely double pay some who sold XCR and ran.

It would not be practical to fund the investors with XCR, as many have sold their XCR and withdrawn the BTC from Bter.  

The devs can only sit and wait......... just like us.

CRYPTI, also known as XCR is available on Bter, right above NXT on your balance page.  Links are in the INFO tab

CRYPTI is the new and better NXT.  Best to buy it now on Bter while your money is still there. 

Not in a formal way, like going to Stanford.  

Twenty some years ago I realized that by watching TV, I was allowing others to do my thinking for me.  I got rid of the damn thing and spent more time on the net.   Surprising how one article of interest can link to others and still others that can occupy my free time for weeks, but coming away with increased knowledge and insight and a lot to ponder.

That of course leads to more research, more links and leads, and some drift into other areas.  

As soon as the XCR wallet is released, the price of XCR will be 4-5000 sats. 

So just hang in there.  Buy more, sit, wait, and enjoy.

The hardest part of any prediction is timing.  There are too many factors and players and agendas in the game to know the exact timing.

History does not repeat, but it does rhyme.  American Revolution, War of 1812, American Civil war, Spanish/American war of 1898, WWI, WW2 all started the same way:

First there was a currency war, then a trade war, then a shooting war.  All the above conflicts were started and ended by the banksters.  The next war is no different.  There has been a currency war going on since 2008.  Now you can see the trade war starting with Russia/EU/Ukraine/USA.  Next is the shooting war.  

American revolution started when England refused to let the American Colonies use their own bank and currency.  War ended with a treaty establishing the First bank of the United States (owned by the bankers in the City of London) with a 30 year charter.

War of 1812 started when the charter expired and was not renewed.  War ended with treaty establishing the Second Bank of the US in 1814, 30 year charter.

1834, bank charter ended, President Andrew Jackson refused to grant an extension of the charter, was nearly assassinated.

1860, US Civil war started over tariffs imposed by northern states on the cotton from the south, but northern goods were not subject to tariffs.  Banks demanded 30% interest from Pres Lincoln to fund the war.  Lincoln issued his own currency, and was rewarded with a bullet in the head.

There will be a severe financial crisis soon, resulting in the death of many Currencies, including the Euro.  If the infrastructure for mobile money transfer with XCR is on place when that happens, then XCR will see the same kind of overnight explosion that AOL saw after Xmas 1997 when 5 million people got cheap ($800) computers for Xmas with a AOL CD Rom.  

When all hell breaks loose, people flock to safety.  Have the sanctuary ready, and they will come.  

And oh yeah.... there is that little factor of PRICE & DEMAND.   50 XCR for a new BMW?

Yes, BTC will eventually be pushed into the shadows.  It happens to all the barrier breakers in any field, not just the net.  Look what happened to the video rental stores: replaced with NetFlix.  Bookstores have been replaced by Cosco and eBooks.  

BTC has serious flaws and is without any additional feature implementation.  New coins have been developed that offer solutions to these flaws, and implement features that make cybercash user friendly.  Cybercash use will not catch on to the general public until it is idiot proof.

If you were on the net in the late 80s or very early 90s, you would remember how difficult it was to get online.  You had to configure a modem, with dip switch settings, and write a script for your dial-up modem.  Then you needed to load Netscape 1 or Mozilla from a floppy disk.  You had to run Archie for a search engine.  For the UseNet you needed a program to divide and combine posts into 15000 lines max.  Complicated enough to keep anyone not a geek away.  

But once computers dropped to below $800 in price, and Grandma could get on the net by loading an AOL CD Rom, everything changed.  

Simplicity of use results in rapid adoption.


The same is true of cybercash.  BTC is too complex for simple transactions.  It still serves as the benchmark, as all altcoin values are set in satoshis.  But the vast non-geek public will not see cybercash as a useable system until it is as simple to use as a credit card swipe at Walmart.  

The main market for cybercash will be the 80% of the world population that is unbanked.  High fees are charged by Forex dealers to send funds from the US to Mexico and Philippines (10-20%), which are then hand delivered to the receiver by couriers.  Most of these people have a smartphone.

Mobile Apps to transfer XCR and BTC to smartphones will break the back of the Forex dealers.  This is a 2 billion dollar a month market.  Imagine the transaction fees earned by a POS coin like XCR at that level!!.  


In the mid 90s, I told many people that the phone, computer and TV were going to merge into one appliance.  I was laughed at.  Then the cable companies started offering internet connections.  Later, video came to computers.  Now we have smartphones.  The future is here.

Words of encouragement from another newby that did not get in on the pre-sale.  

If the devs had only used maxmint for escrow, there would not have been any early trading.  Also, maxmint is not an exchange, so the devs would have had to find an exchange to host XCR.  

If everything had gone that way, this blog would be full of complaints of investors wanting their BTC back from maxmint.  We would still have had the delay in the launch due to the same problem with the POS.  And the devs would still be searching for an exchange to host XCR>

Bter served both as an escrow service and an exchange.  They provided an essential service and were well paid for it.  

I'm betting it was an inside job and they sent over the tong gangsters to break his fingers.  

The devs still have all the XCR, and 15million for themselves.  They can still fund further development of XCR, only at a much slower rate.

The price already collapsed from 2500 to 1500. I am not saying that it won't go back to 2500 but it will be extremelly hard to go any higher, since many people are waiting for opportuinty to just sell because of recent failed launches and BTER issues. I was thinking about this coin and about xcloud - picked this one and I guess I made a mistake. No point to invest in xcloud at this point but really looking to get out of this one without too much loss.

I was stupid enough to buy at 2400.

Sorry to be the party pooper, but didn't expect this to go that horribly wrong. Anyway, maybe I will get surprised nicely.
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Calm down.  XCR will be over 6000 satoshi soon.  NXT is similar to XCR, but has 10 times the coins, and is at 6000 sats.  XCR could reach 60000 sats to be par with NXT.

If you invested non-essential funds in XCR, then you have nothing to lose by waiting, and everything to gain.  If yo invested money that you need for bills, then you are violating one of the rules of successful investing:  Never invest funds that you cannot afford to lose.

Sit back and enjoy the ride.