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941  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 18, 2013, 02:16:50 AM
2011 post bubble was one disaster after the next, everyone had to keep reminding themselves what counts is the protocol wasnt hacked, and their was a gr8 deal FUD that bitcoin was only useful for dealing drugs, and it really was just a fad... This scared off a lot of people when bitcoin was still trying to get some reasonable critical mass going (unless to say it really HURT bitcoin)... This time everything is just F'in dandy, so we'll have a U shaped recovery and then continue making new highs, it will pop AGAIN ( at 500? ) and then another U shaped recovery and continue making new highs! thats right people the dash for digital cash get ready... set... GO!  Cool



That was just so obvious. You slam 11k coins, getting 1M in 15 seconds, ask walls go up, you're trying to drive the price down. You're trying to keep it down. You're trying to get panic sellers. There's no other reason on earth you'd coin dump like that and try to hold the drop. People realize that, use it as a chance to buy back in, and it's slowly heading back up. They haven't been watching the buying today, that was a poorly planned attack. Way too much money added to MtGox, itching to get in. Should have let the rally keep going up and just slammed into it when it slowed down.
942  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 18, 2013, 02:04:14 AM
Someone sold thousands of coins and then threw up a 4k ask wall at 88, and the bids would not budge. They started buying into the wall and then it was pulled. Bullish sign.

Yeah why slam into the wall, push it back, then put up a wall to keep it down? Clearly trying to drive the price down, I don't see why else you'd do that. It's not making you more money.

It's amazing to watch. Before it would have created panic and lag. MtGox is handling things much better, and those left with coins seem to be much more content to hold them.

A lot less panic in the market. Way more buying pressure. It will be back to 95 shortly. Thanks for the 11k coins.
943  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 18, 2013, 02:00:39 AM
Someone sold thousands of coins and then threw up a 4k ask wall at 88, and the bids would not budge. They started buying into the wall and then it was pulled. Bullish sign.

Yeah why slam into the wall, push it back, then put up a wall to keep it down? Clearly trying to drive the price down, I don't see why else you'd do that. It's not making you more money.
944  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 18, 2013, 01:51:53 AM
Interesting. The ask wall just decided to slam itself into the bid wall. All at once. Seems like a strange way to dump 4k coins.
945  Economy / Exchanges / Re: bitfloor issues? on: April 18, 2013, 01:46:51 AM
Yes.  We prefer to control the hardware, security, and backup procedures ourselves.  A service agreement can't recover your data.

I should have clarified I didn't believe his IP was in the headers.  I just wanted to correct your statement that only the sender ip was in the headers.

That said, I will now hopefully make you smile so you can just drop the attacks and move on with your life.

fitty, you win the internet

Google apps is free bro, it's more secure then whatever bootleg server you're running in your bedroom.

99.9999% of the planet isn't running a mail server out of their basement. Your IP is not in the headers. You made it seem like it was. 99.9999% of the time it's not. So it's not worth mentioning.
946  Economy / Speculation / Re: They/he/she/it is doing it again on: April 18, 2013, 01:42:44 AM
OK, so it looks like whoever pumped up the currency the first time is going at it again.  This is not a normal recovery.  And I fear Bitcoin's hopes of being a currency may not survive a third major crash.  So here's the thing: we can stop this thing.  In the meantime, buy/trade/sell, I don't care.  But when the ddos'ing starts again soon, and this big entity dumps a whole sack of coins and brings down the price by $40, please, please don't panic sell.  If we don't panic, it will recover and then keep going up.  

The fundamentals are there, merchants right and left are picking up Bitcoin -- it's all over the fuckin' evening news and The Colbert Report, for God's sake.  A $1000 coin is in sight.  But we'll never get there if we let this entity keep dropping our holdings like flies each time he ddos'es the exchanges and dumps a couple of thousand coins.

Just stay calm when the time comes.  You'll know it when you see it this time.  Until then, day trade till your heart's content!

If someone is dumping to crash the price and there's a DDOS, it's because they're buying back in. Otherwise you'd just dump it all and leave. Why the DDOS? Why care how low it goes? If you're forcing it as low as possible, that's so you can buy back in.

Accept the fact people are going to run the price up and they'll run it back down. Then run it back up. That's how they make money. They won't kill the golden goose, they're making too much money. You can't fight the swings. If someone wants to push the price down and they have the coins/money, they will. There's no stopping it. If someone has the cash and wants to jack the price up, they will. This market is mostly supply and demand. If you have the means, you can push BTC whereever you want. Price starts dropping, people sell. Price starts rising, people buy. That isn't going to change.

You can feel good that people are making millions off it, and they're going to make sure it stays around if it's within their power (MtGox is at the top of that list, and they have crazy amounts of influence on the price/market).
947  Economy / Exchanges / Re: bitfloor issues? on: April 18, 2013, 01:26:32 AM
You better remove your personal information from headers.

And please post headers of another know to be legit mail from bitfloor to compare.

Are there any personal details in there aside from email address?

I can confirm that the headers match from an email I received in 2012.

Just your IP address.  Now "they" know what IP to hack to find a bitcoin wallet Tongue.

His IP is not in the headers, that's the sender.

Just the sender eh?

Quote
Received: by 10.112.143.98

Are you trolling or just retarded? When someone sends you an e-mail, your IP doesn't magically jump into the headers. Received ips is referring to the receiving mail server.

No... it's just most people I know run their own mail servers.  As I said above.

ASS U ME

*lol* On their home internet connection? Really? They run a domain, the mail server, from their home net connection. Funny how I don't know ANYONE who does that. I know people who have shared hosting, VPS, dedicated server doing that, but on their home net connection? Really?

He had a gmail address and it's clearly google's mail servers. I didn't have to assume, I knew it wasn't his IP.
948  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 18, 2013, 01:00:14 AM
There's still a million dollar wall at $70. What are the chances that someone will get us past that?

I'd say 100% when it's pulled.

This. The big walls are time and time again just illusions. We approach them and they disappear. How often do they actually get eaten through? I don't have faith right now that the support moving up is real support. Price crashes 81% in less than a week and we are stabilized / on an uptrend like a day later?  Huh  Embarrassed

I'm calling bullshit on the support, if it falls to the wall after any further significant rise, it's going down to the next level which would be the $50 support.

At that point I have to wonder if there will be enough downward momentum to break through it.

I call bullshit on the 10k-15k-20k-25k bitcoions that would have to be sold at $80 and $70 and $60 and $50 to get there. The panic sellers have left the building. If you're not interested in selling your 5k bitcoins at $90-$95, you'll have even less interest on selling them on the way down. There's really one guy with 50k bitcoins who is just going to exit the market and drive it down to $50? Last 12 hours we have highs of 98, lows of 83. If you really were itching to sell, you'd be out now. Any drops now is just a chance to buy back in. Everyone who thinks we're going to $20-$30-$40-$50, they've sold their coins. Those people aren't holding right now at $95.
949  Economy / Exchanges / Re: bitfloor issues? on: April 17, 2013, 09:50:14 PM
Well, anyway... it appears to be orderly and not out of control.

It'll be interesting to see what they post here.  One assumes they will.

I've had this happen with an American business account. Risk management sends you a letter saying they are shutting down the account in 7 days. There's no disputing it, there's no appeal, it's going to be closed. Risk Management simply decides they don't like something about your transaction history and that's that. I'm not sure it's related to Bitcoins, they're probably leaving very little money in that account (probably a good idea) and just keeping enough to send out ACH withdrawals to traders. But when it's 99% of the money coming in is going right back out and it starts adding up to being millions in/out unless you have a huge chunk of money sitting there to cover any issues, banks are not going to be terribly comfortable.

If it was related to Bitcoin (under a BS excuse of money laundering) the account would be frozen. It doesn't sound like it's frozen, it sounds like the bank is saying we don't want your business GTFO.
950  Economy / Exchanges / Re: bitfloor issues? on: April 17, 2013, 09:24:39 PM
Yikes.
951  Economy / Exchanges / Re: bitfloor issues? on: April 17, 2013, 09:07:20 PM
You better remove your personal information from headers.

And please post headers of another know to be legit mail from bitfloor to compare.

Are there any personal details in there aside from email address?

I can confirm that the headers match from an email I received in 2012.

Just your IP address.  Now "they" know what IP to hack to find a bitcoin wallet Tongue.

His IP is not in the headers, that's the sender.

Just the sender eh?

Quote
Received: by 10.112.143.98

Are you trolling or just retarded? When someone sends you an e-mail, your IP doesn't magically jump into the headers. Received ips is referring to the receiving mail server.
952  Economy / Exchanges / Re: bitfloor issues? on: April 17, 2013, 08:59:55 PM
You better remove your personal information from headers.

And please post headers of another know to be legit mail from bitfloor to compare.

Are there any personal details in there aside from email address?

I can confirm that the headers match from an email I received in 2012.

Just your IP address.  Now "they" know what IP to hack to find a bitcoin wallet Tongue.

His IP is not in the headers, that's the sender.
953  Economy / Exchanges / Re: bitfloor issues? on: April 17, 2013, 08:56:15 PM
You better remove your personal information from headers.

And please post headers of another know to be legit mail from bitfloor to compare.

Are there any personal details in there aside from email address?

I can confirm that the headers match from an email I received in 2012.

No, just your e-mail.
954  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 17, 2013, 07:42:26 PM
You can waste a good hour on page two alone.  Grin

by the way adam, thanks for choosing the name "hardcore" I feel proud... that 1200 post thread was growing on me quite a lot though... but it's ok, we now have "softcore" lounge

Feel free to visit the softcore lounge anytime. Lots of fun to be had by all! Smiley
955  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Softcore Lounge on: April 17, 2013, 02:38:42 PM
You can almost see the nipples protruding.

Yum yum, I like this thread.

Can't wait for the images in the hardcore thread.  Grin
956  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Softcore Lounge on: April 17, 2013, 02:19:24 PM
It's getting bumpy.

957  Economy / Speculation / Re: Avalon ASIC CHIP offer-effect on BTC price on: April 17, 2013, 01:49:49 PM
None.
958  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 17, 2013, 01:38:42 PM
What intrigues me is that yesterday we have triple more volume and no lag.

uh, check lag much? We are over 1 minute.

959  Economy / Speculation / Re: will asic's kill bitcoin ? on: April 17, 2013, 01:01:34 PM
If anything, ASIC might save Bitcoin.

ASIC is good. Hashing power protects the network from certain types of attacks.

When hashing power goes up, difficulty goes up to match it. So ASIC won't suddenly jump us to 21M coins, the projections don't change all that much.

ASIC uses less power, it gives "average people" access to a lot of hashing power, which will decentralize it even more. The problem with lots of GPU hashing, it's hot, noisy, and burns a lot of power. Most people, even with the money, couldn't go setup 8-10-15G of GPU hashing.

Soon people will be able to run 20-40-60G of hasing, cheaply, which is good for everyone.




960  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin's market microstructure -- what's behind all this insane movement? on: April 17, 2013, 11:30:23 AM
Oh it's pumping and dumping no doubt. They use large dumps to nudge the market in either direction.

There's no fundamentals. The biggest "fundamental" is

1) the price is going up - that's good! there must be a reason!
2) the price is going down - that's bad! there must be a reason!

So when market movements are pretty much the only "fundamental" data people are using, it's really easy to manipulate the market. If you ask people why they sold, most will say "the price was going down". If you ask people why they bought, most will say "the price was going up".

Not to mention it's a pretend exchange. We can't even be sure the data is real. There's no regulation. MtGox could be making up huge chunks of the trading data people are using. So you can't even look at the charts and assume what you are looking at is accurate or real. Pretend exchange, pretend currency, with a lot of pretend traders.

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