Dear users and friends,

We are writing to inform you of the status of Betnomi and our commitment to fully refunding all user balances.

In June, we faced significant internal challenges related to the company's long-term financial outlook and ownership structure. To address these issues, we temporarily suspended operations and initiated a restructuring process with a focus on long-term profitability. During this time, it became clear that continuing to work with the existing owners was no longer viable, and we terminated the partnership.

Unfortunately, following this decision, certain individuals engaged in backroom deals to extract Betnomi's intellectual property and resources for the purpose of launching a new casino independently. These actions resulted in significant damage to Betnomi and its users. Critical system resources were restricted, and the database became inaccessible, preventing users from withdrawing their balances.

We have since learned that our database was compromised and potentially sold to another casino platform that falsely claimed Betnomi had rebranded. We are pursuing legal action against this entity.

Fortunately, we have successfully retrieved a backup of our database and are working with regulators to develop a plan for fully refunding all users. This plan will be announced in the coming days.

Due to several legal actions that are pending against those who stole our intellectual property and those who wrongfully gained access to our systems and falsely claimed to be associated with us. The outcome and duration of these cases are uncertain. Therefore, we have decided to permanently cease operations and stop using the Betnomi brand in our best interests.

Over the past two years, we have developed our own casino software, risk management engine, and other valuable intellectual property worth millions of dollars. We intend to leverage this expertise to rebuild a stronger brand in the future.

We will provide an update on our reimbursement plan and schedule as soon as possible.

Thank you for your understanding.

Arallmuus, congratulations on the victory!

Please send me a PM with information about where and to what name to deliver your prize.

Sometimes there are too many things to do, but this does not mean that the summing up of the results of this event is not on my to-do list.

The winner will be determined thanks to block number 780640 🦊

Just like every other user, the records are already there and he can see them.
Since these Bets were from several months ago, he might have to use the DateTime filter to
select the time range for which he wants the records just like on any other website and there is no bug.

Previously, we loaded records for only the last 24 hours but the logic has been changed months ago to load the last 10 records
and if the user wants to go further back, then the DateTime filter becomes useful.
There is nothing complicated or unclear here but malicious manipulation of the facts.

You claimed for months, we deleted your history. The point is you falsely accused us for months.
As stated, you must use the DateTime filters to pull old records.
Whatever you did, factually, you lied; your claims were False
An honest person would admit they were wrong, but not you.

We don't know many people that take screenshots, record videos, and save Bet ID when they place a Bet.
Of course, you did. The reason is clear: this is a scam you have executed on multiple sportsbooks, and you
anticipated our reaction to the situation from experience.


Again, a person without malice will acknowledge the resolution of the issue.
Just to be clear, we do not and will never apologize to a scammer.

There is only one slot left! 🦊

Apparently, your Bet history wasn't deleted; it would be nice if you publicly clarified that since you accused us of deleting it for several months
but no, you just casually brushed it off by saying, "So I manually searched the bet ID numbers I kept a record of, and things seem to be correct"
whatever that means.

Second, we made it clear from day one what needs to be done for your withdrawal to be processed;
that is, providing your source of funds document. It was your decision not to do it for months,
and your withdrawal was completed as soon as you did.

The question was never about whether there was fraud or not.
That is clear and self-evident; it was more about what we would do about it.


Finally, all you had to do was say thank you, Betnomi, for processing my withdrawal anyways
but no, as always, you have to be the good guy and tap dance around the issue.

Whatever the case, we are happy to see this issue resolved, and thanks to everyone who participated
your input and opinion are appreciated.

Guys hurry up! We still have a few slots open! 🦊

I also randomly moved some of you to other slots as they were occupied by other users.

It's interesting to see people share their opinion without understanding the nuance of a situation
We have seen claims of "holding BTC hostage" on our website.
I would take the time to clarify and point out some valuable details. Betnomi is not just a Casino.
We are a Sportsbook and Casino platform that has operated for almost four years.

Since we started operating Betnomi, there hasn't been a single incident where a user played in our Casino, and the payout was refused
at least not that we can find.

However, it's a different issue with the Sportsbook. Sportsbooks are a complicated product and operation to run.
With over 250k monthly Sports events, there is a lot of room for fraudulent users to exploit the product by doing,
Arbitrage Betting, Sure Betting, Late Betting, Fixed Match Betting, Betting on dropping Odds (Odds Manipulation), and many more

It's a dicey situation, and we need to be on the lookout for these kinds of users hunting and abusing Sportsbooks as their daily job.
There are different approaches to dealing with the situation.

Some Sportsbooks payout anyways and close/limit those accounts afterward because they generate enough profits to compensate for that and preserve their reputation.

Another solution is not to offer only major leagues and very few markets this way, there is less room for abuse (most popular solution)

Our solution is to offer everything. We want to give our users the maximum number of available Sports events and markets because
we don't think allowing these abusers to force us to reduce sports offerings is a good decision. There are periods/ seasons where major events don't occur; in those periods, we want our users to have to option to bet on minor leagues as well. This is why on any day, anytime, our Sportsbook has multiple times the number of events on any other sportsbook.

This then leaves our Sportsbook wide open for abuse; if you ever wonder why the reports/complaint rate may be higher than other Casinos, this is why.
For the most part, we have regular players who play all the time without any issues whatsoever, but occasionally, abusers jump in and try to exploit the freedom and flexibility we offer.
In such cases, of course, depending on the nature of the abuse, we request KYC and other things and pay them out to ensure they are not back doing the same thing, and this mostly resolves the problem. However, some of these users refuse to comply and try to file reports and use pressure tactics to get away with their fraud.

As previously stated, we will not let a few bad apples ruin the fun for everyone, and we will continue to offer lots of markets and monitor the Sports platform for abuse;
when we find it, we will take the appropriate action, including KYC, implementing limits, and or outright closing those accounts.

We can conclusively state not one time did a legitimate user play on our Sportsbook and run into an issue.
Some people may ask how we know whether a user is fraudulent or legitimate;  We have an internal risk management team and an external risk management service provided by the sportsbook data feed provider, with over 200 risk management professionals monitoring the sportsbook for other 3000+ partners.
We only consider a user fraudulent and take action only if our internal assessment matches what the third-party provider gives us on the user.
Our confidence score is 100% regarding risk management decisions, there is zero percent chance we miscategorize a user.

The people that encounter these problems are professional Sportsbook abusers whose daily job is to look for opportunities to exploit.
If that is your job, then we are not the platform for you; otherwise, everyone is welcome and should have a smooth gaming experience at Betnomi.


In the next few weeks, we have a lot to share with everyone regarding the future of Betnomi, and it's exciting.



Regards,

Betnomi.

We received your message and reviewed your case
All relevant information has been sent to you via pm.
It's rather a mild issue and we will resolve it as soon as you reload your documents.


Thank you.

Kindly send us a pm with your username and we will look into the issue for you.
You can be sure the issue will be resolved as soon as possible.


Thank you.

This out-of-row round was made possible thanks to Minerjones's initiative, as he, out of the kindness of his soul, offered to raffle his custom cold wallet among other forum collectors. Good luck!

• I will announce the block number when we are full.
• Your forum account must be registered no later than September 1 of the current year.
• Please, if you already have a custom wallet, give way to others.
• We may, at our discretion, ignore applies (including inactive posters, etc).

How this will work:

• Choose a number between 00 - 99 (no random)
• Can take two slots if you have ever traded with Minerjones.
• After I choose a block, the last symbol of the hash will determine the winner.

00 - shasan
01 - willi9974
02 - Crytocanuk
03 - Sunny
04 - Crytocanuk
05 - Woodie
06 - sam00
07 - Thiago007
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95 - PMICT
96 - PMICT
97 - Doblezero
98 - Real-Duke
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Please note that this item will ship in April. 🦊

We load only transactions from the last 24 hours for performance and user experience reasons.

If the user wants to see previous records, he needs to use the time filter to select the range/ period from which he wants to see the records.

The user purposefully took screenshots of an empty page to manipulate the situation and add credence to his baseless accusations.

A copy of all transactions is stored on our servers, and the Sportsbook data feed provider servers, and then a weekly copy is sent to the Curacao gaming authorities. Also, when he opened a case with the authorities, we provided detailed information, including the bet history, to the authorities. It is unclear why he keeps claiming we deleted his bet history except for nefarious reasons. The bet history is and has always been on his account.

Below is a screenshot of the history we pulled from our systems today.




BitcoinGirl.Club, This is a great question.

We will take this opportunity to clarify our position on KYC and other user verification processes. We are not a traditional casino, but a crypto casino - The concept and principles behind crypto is something we strongly believe in. Although there are some regulatory and compliance requirements, we walk a fine line between complying with the laws and preserving users' privacy and anonymity as much as possible.

The KYC process at Betnomi is in three stages.

• Basic - Basic information
• Intermediate - Proof of identity and address
• Advance - Source of funds

The reason for these separate steps is to preserve users' privacy and not be unnecessarily invasive and intrusive into our user's privacy.
In most cases, users are required to complete just basic KYC. For intermediate and advanced - this is subjective and a judgment call that our team rarely makes on an individual basis. If we detect suspicious or fraudulent activity based on its nature and extent, we request the appropriate level of KYC.

If there is a legitimate win, you can be sure you will not be required to go through any such process. For example, we recently paid out 400k ETH win on Baccarat the withdrawal was processed without any KYC requirement. Several users have successfully withdrawn large amounts without KYC, but you can be sure we will enforce KYC and other fraud-preventative measures when we detect such cases.

The idea that your Bet history has been deleted is ridiculous and an outright lie.
There are clear rules governing data retention, and besides, the transaction history
isn't just stored in our system but also in the system of the odds feed provider, so stop making such obviously false claims.

Betnomi does not store such data in its system regarding ID and other user identification documents.
A reputable and trusted provider handles our identity verification process like most websites do. 

In this specific case, the sports feed provider voided the Bets because their risk management system and team identified them as fraudulent.
After an initial conversation with the user, we requested the provider change those Bets' status from Returned/Voided to a Win to resolve the situation.
However, we need to ensure the user doesn't come back and repeat the same thing and hence the request for the user to complete our KYC process.
Interestingly, he has been unable to complete the KYC process, and we will maintain our stance on the situation.

We were fair enough to reverse the decision of the provider to void the bets in the first place.
Your inability to complete the KYC process is what's in the way and nothing else.


It's interesting how you keep saying other websites paid out that Bet. If you have websites that are paying out your Bets,
why do you need to play on so many websites when you have problems everywhere?

From what we can count, you have negative things to say about 7 Sportsbook, from limiting you to blocking your withdrawals.
Why not play at the same place that pays you out? Of course, you cannot do that because they immediately block you after determining your pattern of behavior.
Some platforms, such as ourselves, have a better risk management system, are familiar with these patterns, and can easily identify them straight away.

The bottom line is you are provably a fraud.

We have responded to your accusations on our main thread multiple times for several months, even though you endlessly spammed us.
This will be our final response concerning this case.

First, you engaged in fraudulent betting activities on our website, and we took the appropriate actions
and requested a simple KYC, which you have been unable to complete to date.
Second, you filed a complaint against us with the Curacao gaming authorities, which is right in this regard, so great job!
We had a lengthy conversation with the regulators and addressed all their questions.

Since you filed a formal complaint, we assume you would continue to engage with the regulators to resolve the issue
and raising any objections if you have one, but that sounds like too much work for you.
You instead take the easy route and accuse the curacao regulators of being irresponsible and copy-pasting responses from forums
which is an exciting charge.


You then immediately started filling complaints with ADRs and whatnot.
This is a rather disturbing thing to do; you have a pending case with the regulators, and since that is not going your way,
you bowed out and tried to flood us with complaints from everywhere.

For a single case, we have to interface and discuss that with three different entities with whom you reported the case. If this were a court of law, a judge would throw these away without even looking because no one has the time or resources to dispense in such a wasteful manner.  Again, if you have any objections, we are happy to work with the Curacao authorities whenever they reach out to us; outside of that, we are not interested in responding to every entity with whom you made a report.

After looking at your Trustpilot reviews, it is clear that you are pretty much an extortionist

Step one: Engage in fraud on sports betting platforms, hoping they don't notice
Step two: If they ever do, accuse them of being a fraud or a scam, turn on your excuse generator, and make as many pointless excuses as possible
Step three: If they resist, get to work!  Put out an endless stream of negative reviews and complaints with multiple organizations concurrently, forcing them to bend to your will
Step four: Pray with fingers crossed and hope they bend the knee and finally payout
Step five: Cashout and repeat on another platform


It's a nice hustle, but unfortunately for you, we have seen this too many times, and we will not let this cycle continue
at the very minimum, not on our platform. We will close any fraudulent account regardless of your pressure tactics.


Trustpilot account reviewing every sportsbook you ever used as a SCAM

This is outside our purview, but little advice for you; if you find yourself in a situation where everyone and everything appears to be the problem,
it is wise to look again; you may be the problem.

You made a complaint, and the regulatory body received our response and addressed your complaint.
If you have further concerns regarding the issue, kindly contact the regulators; we will not comment further on the issue except through the regulators.
You can open as many complaints as you want with those so called ADRs; we will not waste our time and resources responding to every site you made a complaint to.

If the regulators are not interested in acting on your case, you have no case.
As always, we will enforce our fraud prevention policy and if that means closing your account, we will do so.

We do have a KYC procedure in place, but there are triggered under specific conditions such as fraud, suspected under age user etc
But as a general rule, not something you should be concerned about unless you are engaging in activities that violate our ToS.
As far as VPN usage is concerned, some providers do have restrictions on users using VPN, etc we are all for preserving user's privacy
so long as you are not using it to evade the restricted country ban if online gambling is illegal in your country.



You are free to create an account and it won't be closed/ restricted because you are from Germany.
So long as online gambling is legal in your country, you should be fine.

Congratulations! We will contact you in about a month! 🦊

Now we are full. The winner will be determined based on the results of block 775600. 🦊

It's me again! This is the 7th round, thanks to which the custom cold wallet will find its new owner.

This RAFFLE is dedicated to the annual "Bitcointalk Community Awards" event where Betnomi was invited to be a sponsor! Good luck!

• I will announce the block number when we are full.
• Your forum account must be registered no later than September 1 of the current year.
• Please, if you already have a custom wallet, give way to others.
• We may, at our discretion, ignore applies (including inactive posters, etc).

How this will work:

• Choose a number between 00 - 99 (no random)
• Can take two slots if you voted in the topic Bitcointalk Community Awards 🏆
• After I choose a block, the last symbol of the hash will determine the winner.

00 - minerjones
01 - willi9974
02 - GazetaBitcoin
03 - GazetaBitcoin
04 - _BlackStar
05 - Timelord2067
06 - Frank AlpenCoin
07 - krogoth
08 - Thiago007
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92 - JanEmil
93 - xLays
94 - PMICT
95 - Crytocanuk
96 - famososMuertos
97 - Doblezero
98 - julerz12
99 - minerjones

Please note that this item will ship in March. 🦊