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321  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🏆 Betnomi.com - Crypto Centric 🏀Sportsbook and 🎲Casino - 🔥Biggest Jackpots on: November 19, 2020, 04:22:57 PM
Hey guys..  Nice to see you got a market for surfing events!  I've been looking and suggesting it to a few sites but they don't seem interested.  Pro surfing could be become the next big spectator sport imo.  It's fun to bet and watch.  Smiley

Anyway..  Not that it really matters but the last and only leg in the women's tour for this year starts on Nov. 25 and ends on Dec. 6.  The men's leg starts on Dec. 8.  The site has them at Dec. 5 and Dec. 9.

But yeah..  Def gonna be making some bets on those for sure.  I hope you plan on having them on 2021 if it doesn't have another round of cancellations due to covid.

Edit:  I also asked different books about having football transfer betting markets.  Maybe you guys are interested.

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials


We will cover all surfing events as long as they are not cancelled. As for transfer betting markets, we will discuss with our trading team and update you regarding the possibility.




As you said they are quite active on the forum, so I do believe anyone will get quick response he is going through by a private message. You just need to give them necessary information that identifies your request. Since they have encountered some issue with their withdrawal and deposit system, so it's reasonable. You need not worry, until you make any wrong attempts  Wink

All pending withdrawals have been cleared from our system. As of now, there are no pending withdrawals so, presumably, his issues should be resolved.
However, if there are any further issues or questions, do not hesitate to leave us a message here or in our inbox.



Hi Betonmi,
I make my first time deposit on your site so i can bet on the Nadal,Thiem and the premier league game but i was getting insufficient fund response when i check the account balance i saw that my main balance is empty while the bonus balance was credited. Any reason for this?

Thanks for joining Betnomi. The reason for this situation is, you claimed the welcome bonus. When this bonus is claimed, your funds proportional to the bonus amount is freeze up until the bonus conditions are met.
You can always navigate to the bonus section of the website and cancel the bonus. The funds should return to your main balance instead of your bonus balance.
Please note, you can always go back and claim it even after cancelling it.
322  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🏆 Betnomi.com - Crypto Centric 🏀Sportsbook and 🎲Casino - 🔥Biggest Jackpots on: November 19, 2020, 02:19:50 PM
Hello there,i have an pending withdrawal(65662098) taking over 24hours, any chance to push things up as i am not sure where else than an email should i contact at?Smiley
All the best!   Smiley
All pending withdrawal have been paid. Please check again and thank you.







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323  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🏆 Betnomi.com - Crypto Centric 🏀Sportsbook and 🎲Casino - 🔥Biggest Jackpots on: November 19, 2020, 12:41:06 AM
We have responded to the accusation that is being made. Those are nothing but a disgruntled tantrum throwing previous employee.
If you have interest in the topic, please follow it in the link above.

Thank you.
324  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Betnomi.com Scam on: November 19, 2020, 12:33:12 AM
This person was introduced by a friend @WolfBain who I have been working with for many months now.
At the time, we needed someone to do B2B outreach on our behalf.
After a brief discussion about his experience etc, it was clear this person is unqualified for this position,
and sadly, he asked for a 4800-6000$ salary for a position he is not remotely qualified to be in. (Should have seen the greed)

Considering the fact he was introduced by a friend and living off unemployment and the struggles of getting employment due to the pandemic,
I decided to get him in the position anyway as we are a small and a new company. It has always been my instinct to give people a chance.
Everybody has to start somewhere. Offred him a 1000$ salary for a start.

Fast forward, he joined the team and after a couple of weeks, nothing is being done as far as his responsibilities are concerned.
Always hanging around in our private telegram group to chat with other people about completely irrelevant things.
Ie, picking up fights with people from other casinos (Calling every casino a scam) and other unproductive things.
On multiple occasions, I personally made him aware, he is not achieving or providing any value to the company.
Obviously, he wasn't hired to just hang around and get paid.

Accusing some casino of being a scam
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247419.msg55085832#msg55085832


calling stake.com a scam




Asked for anything he did for the company in any form.




After a few more weeks, I made clear to him, I have no reason to continue to pay him on a monthly basis (4th of this month)
where he has been completely unproductive. I will go a step further and say counterproductive.
Often asked him to tell me one thing he did that help or add value to the company in any way or form. Still to this day, there is not one thing.




In light of all these, we made the decision to part ways with him yesterday.
Immediately after this action was taken against him, He started creating a series of Scam accusations and posting private conversations.
He claimed we didn't pay him and that is factually not true. He was paid 1000$ for a job he didn't do.


The second part of this accusation: The claim was, we hired stuff and are not paying them.
Again, not true. I received a message from him weeks ago, indicating someone who works for some other
Casino got fired from their job because they were hanging out in our telegram group.
(The people he always hangs out with, without doing what he was hired for).

On hearing this news, as a sympathetic person, I offered to hire this individual without knowing him or whatsoever just so,
he can get an income and support his family. Soon after, this individual was directly and personally paid by me.
Even without doing any work or being employed by us. The idea was to make him a moderator when we add a chat system on our website.


Knowing he has no claim, he maliciously used this individual as a front to add credibility to his accusations.
I reached out to the said individual and here is his confirmation he was paid and not yet working for us. (at least yet)





In my opinion, this is an individual who feels entitled and thinks, he can just hang around and make a living doing that.
When things didn't go his way, he snapped and wanted to throw some mud.

We are a business and not a charity. You have been hired to provide a service and add value to the business.
If you are not doing your work, don't be surprised when you get fired.


It's very unfortunate and unprofessional the way and manner this unfolded.
This is a new company and still working on getting a proper structure and team in place.
From time to time, there will be people who will always want to take advantage of such situations.
Every now and then, there may be these kinds of issues. We do apologize in advance.
Sincerely, we ask the community to bear with us while we work very hard on improving our organization and service.


Regards,

Sorsis.
325  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🏆 Betnomi.com - Crypto Centric 🏀Sportsbook and 🎲Casino - 🔥Biggest Jackpots on: November 18, 2020, 09:59:43 AM


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326  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🏆 Betnomi.com - Crypto Centric 🏀Sportsbook and 🎲Casino - 🔥Biggest Jackpots on: November 17, 2020, 03:24:50 PM
The disturbance we experienced earlier with our withdrawal and deposit system has been resolved and all systems are back online - fully operational.
All pending withdrawals have been completed. We apologize for the delay and appreciate your patience.

Thank you all.
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328  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🏆 Betnomi.com - Crypto Centric 🏀Sportsbook and 🎲Casino - 🔥Biggest Jackpots on: November 16, 2020, 06:57:46 PM
Lol, how funny and shameless you are! We called you out on your lack of knowledge on the ongoing debate.
Demanding we pay people regarding an issue you have no understanding of. A rational and responsible person would not do what you are doing and even with that,
they would go back and review the case and get their facts straight or better yet, simply shut up.

But no, none of those will satisfy your ego. So, you decided to deflect and raise issues that have been addressed and closed long ago. (talk about beating a dead horse  Grin)

One more time, we will put you in your place. The list of countries in our terms and conditions is the standard for the industry. Regardless, we submitted a copy of our terms and conditions to the licensing authorities before our new license has been issued. You cannot change the terms and conditions without their approval after your license has been issued. The idea we changed our ToS several times and still have it wrong was made up from thin air by @Arcas  More evidence you cannot think for yourself but spew other people's ideas without any verification.

Again, pure ignorance and arrogance parading as facts. We are no longer going to engage with you on any issue as you are shameless, never do any research, and unwilling to learn.

329  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🏆 Betnomi.com - Crypto Centric 🏀Sportsbook and 🎲Casino - 🔥Biggest Jackpots on: November 16, 2020, 06:04:21 PM

When will this annoying, arrogant attitude stop? you are here in a public forum, where people have the right to say something.
All you do is run away from problems, and people have to settle for that.
Are you the king of this forum, betnomi? You already made many mistakes, and this is just one of them. With more to follow.
Show that you are a professional organisation and pay the lady her winnings.


As we already pointed out, you are an ignorant individual who is incapable of critical thinking and lacks judgment.
An embodiment of herd mentality. You almost never read or can't understand comments on issues.
Constantly, you repeat the same talking points over and over. Your first-ever comment was to demand we pay the person without reviewing the available information/ evidence.
Again, you are here spewing the same nonsense. Its been a few days now since this debate has started and till now, you are still saying "pay the lady her winnings"
The user who creates the accusation is not a lady and secondly, that lady is clearly not playing our website. It's been 5 days now she hasn't responded to our emails or a single word from the person using her information.

These go to show you lack understanding and not even aware of the facts of the case but for some reason, you are leading the charge and demanding things you have no knowledge of.
Yes, this is a public forum and the beauty of it is, impotent people like you get to say whatever they want.
330  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🏆 Betnomi.com - Crypto Centric 🏀Sportsbook and 🎲Casino - 🔥Biggest Jackpots on: November 16, 2020, 05:06:41 PM
We are constantly providing updates regarding the issue on the section of the forum where it belongs.
If you have interest in the topic kindly visit that topic and share your option out there.
Our sincere request, stop spamming our topic with unfounded accusations based on conjecture.

We do not make lightly of disputes such as these, our action regarding the issue was measured and without a question,
we acted appropriately with respect to our decision.  Again, feel free to share your opinions there.


Thank you all.
331  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: betnomi.com SCAM - confiscated $ 3,000 from me and closed the account on: November 16, 2020, 04:42:56 PM
This was part of the message this user sent us after creating the "Scam accusation"


I see that you do not have the best reputation on the forum and I am sure that there has been a misunderstanding and your reputation will only get worse.
I offer you to pay me my money 3000 dollars for bitcoin or ether and I will publicly write on the forum that our conflict is settled and that I received a withdrawal from you of the entire amount.



And in his last post, he mentions the word "reputation" 4 separate times and made references to our reputation 3 separate times in one little post. It is very obvious someone thinking they could latch on to our reputation and pull that string until they net their ill gain profit. Might be a good or even an effective strategy against some other company but will never work against us. Judgments on our reputation are reserved for our users. You can pull and twist it all you want.
We believe personal user experience will mostly supersede propaganda and misinformation.


When a person loses, he is an honest gambler, but if a gambler wins, then he is unprovenly accused of several accounts, and money is taken away? How much your dialogue and business models have in common.


This is a very dishonest and shameful attempt to frame the narrative in his favor.
We already stated, as soon as we determine wrongdoing by a user, we will take actions against them. No bets, win or lose. ie, implement countermeasure or close their account if need be.

In the example below:


On 2020-10-25 user: lapoola91** created an account and made a $1,000.01   deposit and the risk management system detected
ram**** and lap**** to be the same user and automatically limited the bet limit for the specific category of the event which ram**** was betting on.
Soon after, user lap**** wrote us an email requesting we increase his on that specific event and we declined. Immediately, lap**** withdrew his $1,000.01 deposit.


We immediately placed a limit on the user as soon as he was identified to be multi-accounting.
Did we ban him, no! Countermeasure was implemented, and he did nothing but withdraw his money and that was the end of it. We could have banned that account of his and confiscate his funds but, we didn't. We gave him a chance to refrain from such actions. But when this behavior continued, we had no choice but to ban all the new accounts he created and retroactively ban all the old ones. So the idea we ban only winners is extremely dishonest.


As far as using the service of a sports dispute regulator, you are most welcome to use such service and present your case to them. Our team will gladly cooperate with them and share all the information and evidence we gathered that tired you to these four accounts.




@deadthings There seems to be some kind of misunderstanding around the limits and why fraudulent users will create multiple accounts. We will try and give a short example/ explanation here.


There are some players who do arbitrage betting or late betting. This is essentially exploiting/ cheating and is against the rules of every bookmaker. Most sportsbooks will outright ban you for doing this. But, we at Betnomi do our best to remain customer friendly.
Banning/ closing a user's account is always our last resort. We take the approach of using limits as a countermeasure to these kinds of activities. Instead of closing the account,
we give a small limit. With these limits, the risk is controlled. What happens in these cases, the system continues to monitor the user's behavior and will gradually increase their limits if they stop such activities. But in most of these cases, the users just abandon the account and that ends the story. Here is where the problem starts. When these limits are implemented, because the user has one intention to use fraudulent means to make a quick profit, they abandon the accounts and create a new account to continue with their fraudulent actions. Fortunately, we have automated tools to identify such users.

You can check our ANN for a similar issue. The user was identified as an Abbitrage bettor, limits were implemented, he simply withdrew his funds and that ends it. He did not create another account to bypass these limits at least as far as we can tell and had no problems or whatsoever.

Betnomi is a new company and growing fast. We have no illusion or delusion there will be many users such as these always hunting for a new sportsbook platform to exploit and make quick profits. It just happens we are the wrong target.  We are humans and not going to act like some corporate robots etc. Our goal is to remain open, friendly, and engaged with the community. We will be the first to admit when we make a mistake and swiftly rectify it but, when we are right, we will stand by our actions no matter what.


Sincerely,

Betnomi.
332  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Betnomi – Nations League Predictor – 1 BTC main prize on: November 15, 2020, 10:43:59 PM

Our top 6 guys with 10 correct picks get one more which means they share prize for 11 correct picks - 200$, rounded up to bit more:
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Than we have 3 guys who picked upsets for Norway game, and in ideal world they would be sharing 100$ prize among 9 guys so we decided to award them as well:
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Congratulations to you all. Everyone has been successfully credited to their Betnomi account with their respective winnings.

See you all next week and its about time someone grab that 1BTC Smiley
333  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: betnomi.com SCAM - confiscated $ 3,000 from me and closed the account on: November 15, 2020, 06:58:17 PM
@nasipadang  here is your answer.


1. Multi accounting: Creating multiple accounts is prohibited at betnomi without any exception or reason. Even with the best of explanation or justification, we will unapologetically BAN all your accounts with or without funds.

2. Cheating/ abuse: If we determine you are using unscrupulous means or methods to cheat or take advantage of our promotions, bonuses and other giveaways, all gains from the said promotions will be forfeited and your account will be closed.

3. Hacking/ exploit: Any attempt to hack or exploit any of Betnomi's system will result in a permanent BAN of the user's account or any associated accounts.

Please refrain from doing any of the above and you will never face any problems with Betnomi.
For all other objections or questions, please contact our customer support and we guarantee, your problems will be resolved.



What worries me much more is the fact that Betnomi has made several promises in their ANN topic, and then doesn't keep them. And more importantly; apparently he himself has no influence or authorization to perform any actions or payments. He is allowed to make payments before he gets the green light from the risk department.
So then his word and promise on the forum just isn't worth anything. And Betnomi, stop talking like you are the world market leader.
You should show respect to your customers and stop with acting such arrogant.


Please point to us one promise we made and didn't keep (Anywhere, anytime). Risk management team works directly with and for Betnomi.
We make all final decision regarding our website including payments, one one else!  @gadado it is better to remain silent and appear as a fool than to speak and clear all doubt.  You already proved you are ignorant on the subject and can only regurgitate other peoples idea without giving them credit.
334  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: betnomi.com SCAM - confiscated $ 3,000 from me and closed the account on: November 15, 2020, 05:37:42 PM
@wildan88 kindly read our previous response on the topic before asking your questions. They have already been answered.

The image we posted is not of the user, that we are confident about.
As far as withdrawals are concerned, there are 5 possible states of withdrawals, new, allowed, pending, rejected, and paid. So there is your answer.


There is conclusive evidence indicating the user created multiple accounts. We shared what we believe to be acceptable and enough to give insight into the pattern of behavior of the user.

A few people suggested we just pay the user and close the issue. This sounds like a simple and easy way of resolving this problem. However, this could be a consequential decision and precedent for future user actions. Ie, another user can create multiple accounts, do exact same thing knowing creating a scam accusation, and some public pressure will get us to pay their ill gains. That standard will not be set by us. We stand by our actions and irrevocably closed the user's account. We will not hesitate to close the account of any user we determine with enough evidence to be multi-accounting on our website.


As far as we are concerned, this issue is considered resolved and closed.


Thank you all for your time.
335  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🏆 Betnomi.com - Crypto Centric 🏀Sportsbook and 🎲Casino - 🔥Biggest Jackpots on: November 15, 2020, 03:54:52 PM


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336  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: betnomi.com SCAM - confiscated $ 3,000 from me and closed the account on: November 14, 2020, 10:37:56 PM
Well, we are confident that wasn't the information about our user. We only shared it to let the community get an idea of how the user tried to circumvent the system.
Secondly, no. The image contains no personal information. It was censored. Again, in hindsight, we shouldn't have shared it.


@gadado Your first comment on this topic was to call us liars and demand we payout the "customer" so much for your respect.

Serious questions? You have no real questions or original ideas. We just asked you to stop vomiting other people's ideas especially when they are already answered if you are going to do it regardless, give them credit it all we asked.


It's been 4 days now, the other user did not respond to our emails and the "accuser" here did not make a single comment about anything since we responded over 24 hours now.
But for some reason, you feel obligated to demand things on his behalf.  We are simply waiting for his comments and we will respond accordingly but until then, we asked everyone to be patient unless they have suggestions or something meaningful to add to the discussion unlike you.

337  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: betnomi.com SCAM - confiscated $ 3,000 from me and closed the account on: November 14, 2020, 05:26:13 PM

"We try to not reveal sensitive information unless it is necessary."

Otherwise you would have no problem showing this user's passport and photo here. Did you think that was necessary? Do you realize this person can even consider to take a lawyer for these kind of things?
Necessary or not, I think you can get really serious problems with this. Do you actually understand what you did?
You don't seem to be taking things too seriously and you are seriously uprooting customer privacy and discredit here.
I do not judge about the multiple accounts, since neither can be proved.



From multiple interactions and encounters with you across several of our topics, it is very obvious and clear you do not have an independent mind of your own.
You just continue to spew what other people pointed out. This very issue was pointed out by multiple users on the very first page of this topic. We addressed it and stated that,
in hindsight, we shouldn't have shared that image. Again, you are pretending not to have seen that and repeating the same claim as if they are yours.

If you are going to rehash other people's ideas/ points, at least give them some credit. Anyhow, this is a serious discussion and we are looking for honest and objective thinkers to analyze and share their opinions and ideas. Open discussions like these are very important (at least to us). We are able to make improvements, optimize our policies and approach to handling similar cases in the future.  If you have nothing original or substantive to add to the discussion, kindly excuse yourself.
338  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🏆 Betnomi.com - Crypto Centric 🏀Sportsbook and 🎲Casino - 🔥Biggest Jackpots on: November 14, 2020, 04:34:54 PM
Personally i am done with betnomi.

My account had 10 euros limits from the beginning, OP tried a lot to help and my limits increased to normal 100-200 euros but next day my account had 10 euro limits again. This happened 4-5 times. OP helped to increase limits only to being limited the next day.

Yet they paid my balance with no problems.


Yes, system was placing/ restricting your limit because you were categorized as doing Arbitrage Betting. Even after a reset, the system forces your limit back to a smaller limit.
We did not determine you had multiple accounts on our website therefore, you had no problems with your withdrawals or account.
339  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: betnomi.com SCAM - confiscated $ 3,000 from me and closed the account on: November 14, 2020, 04:23:43 PM

So where is the truth? We can only give the right judgement after correct evidence. betnomi admit it was a wrong move to display the photo/selfie, but it does not work like that.
It is simple crossing over all limits to provide such information and a photo. the privacy from this person is seriously damaged now.

It is up to betnomi to come with sufficient evidence to proof the multi accounts.
by the way her account was closed on 12 november, and the letter from the match fixing was 13 nov.
so how can this be related? it indicates it is only an investigation, it is not proven.



The match fixing has nothing to do with this incident. We gave the recent match fixing as an example of an action or activity that will trigger the system to give the user a lower bet limit. Same time, also explain to @gadado since its apparent he doesn't know cheating is possible on sportsbooks and finally, to give an example as to why the some users create multiple accounts.



Just give Betnomi some time to come up with decent evidence. If there was really another account, I am sure they have no problems with proving.

I only think it is not a good idea to post this information on the forum, since this will consist personal information like Ip address.

They can address this information to the customer, and if the customer wishes to share this information, he can.

We try to not reveal sensitive information unless it is necessary. It's curious how the accuser isn't saying anything but some people jumping the gun.
The other user didn't respond to the email we sent about their account being closed because they knew it was obvious. This other user decided to give it one more try hoping with public pressure, we will cave lol.   We suggest you patiently wait for him to respond or explain why he was creating multiple accounts or provide some more evidence before arriving at such conclusions.
340  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: betnomi.com SCAM - confiscated $ 3,000 from me and closed the account on: November 14, 2020, 03:40:07 PM

Can you please confirm the exact date and time the account was closed, and clarify whether a user can access a closed account? (even if they can't place any bets)



All the accounts were closed on Wed, Nov 11, 12:03 PM. No You are unable to login to your account once its closed.
On a login attempt, the user receives a message indicating their account is locked/closed.
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