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17541  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: IXcoin -- enough is enough! on: August 15, 2011, 11:00:51 PM
From the point of view of creating an alternate currency, IXCoin is stupid and a clearly profit minded creation by the founder, don't bring up the bullshit about bounties, that's just window dressing. It is not at all advantageous to have a competing virtual currency when there is not yet any establishment for usage of any virtual currency yet.

From the point of view of a miner, we follow the money trail, bitcoin mining was created with that idea in mind, and ixcoin is taking advantage of the culture arising out of that. If it's profitable to mine ixcoins, why shouldn't miners mine it?

From the OPs point of view though, I don't think it's a bad idea for people to reiterate to the masses that are willing to listen that IXCoin is total nonsense, and far more of a runaway train than bitcoin, with nothing to provide anyone except more numbers, and even less likely to go anywhere.

So, everyone is right in their own regard.

EDIT: Looking at the numbers though it is currently about 1/3rd as profitable to mine ixcoins as bitcoins at the moment. So, good luck with that.

Yup good luck with that! I cashed in my ixcoins for over 200 btc =).
17542  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ixcoin - a new Bitcoin fork on: August 15, 2011, 10:46:24 PM
Yeah, ixcoin mining is really unprofitable right now compared to BTC. I'm surprised to see that http://ixpool.bitparking.com/pool still has a hashrate of 120 mhash/s. If you really wanted IXC right now, just mine BTC and then exchange them for IXC or buy them on the exchange. Given that there's no other use for IXC (unlike NMC), I don't see the need to own any IXC unless you are speculating and think the price will go up. But then again, why would the price go up. Ixcoin is not really adding any value on top of bitcoins.

+1
17543  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: *coin generation - How far apart? on: August 15, 2011, 10:29:09 PM
How far apart do two miners with hashes that meet the requirements of the cryptographic algorithm for mining *coins in order for the has to be considered valid?

Is it 1 second? 2seconds? 3 seconds? More?

It's not a fixed amount of time.  If two miners each find a block based on the same parent block, only one of them is going to be accepted by the network, and the other will be abandoned.  So practically speaking, there needs to be enough time for new blocks to propagate through the network so that miners know about them and base their calculations on the new block instead of the old one.

The time needed is going to be less on a small, well-connected network, and greater on a large, poorly-connected network.  If you had a network where all the miners are directly connected to each other, the time between new blocks could be on the order of milliseconds without creating orphans.
thanks for clearing that up
17544  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: IXcoin -- enough is enough! on: August 15, 2011, 09:24:13 PM
When you're talking about an open-source alternative currency, forks are NOT a good thing.

If you're talking about software, electronics, etc. then competition is great. The more the merrier.

But Bitcoin is already around -- it's open source, not owned by one company. We should *want* everyone's efforts concentrated on one electronic currency. Competition is a bad thing in a case like this.

It's less like Verizon vs AT&T and more like VHS vs Beta or HD-DVD vs Blu-ray. Until one prevails, everyone's going to "wait and see". You can't have umpteen open formats competing for the same 5,000 people.


If Satoshi did not want multiple block chains to start he would have made it closed source. This is open source and the free market. You can't stop either if people are willing to contribute or mine.
17545  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin on: August 15, 2011, 09:21:51 PM
What's the current block count?

19500
17546  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: *coin generation - How far apart? on: August 15, 2011, 09:21:15 PM
I'm trying to figure out what is the bare minimum time 2016 block can be generated in at difficulty 1, 4, 64, 256, 1024 etc.
17547  Bitcoin / Mining / [Help] How far in terms of time do two qualifying hashes? on: August 15, 2011, 09:19:59 PM
How close/soon can a block be generated after a valid block has been generated and put into the blockchain?

Is it 1 second? 2 seconds? 3 seconds? more?
17548  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin) on: August 15, 2011, 09:03:23 PM
WHERE are all the people decrying alt chains as "scams" and proclaiming they won't participate in I0coin for whatever moral reasons? 
That's likely because IOcoin is a direct response to largest complaint against Ixcoin.  I0coin is Ixcoin only without the guy who mined solo for three months before public release of the project.

+1 I mean +580,000  Grin
17549  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / *coin generation - How far apart? on: August 15, 2011, 08:58:02 PM
How far apart do two miners with hashes that meet the requirements of the cryptographic algorithm for mining *coins in order for the has to be considered valid?

Is it 1 second? 2seconds? 3 seconds? More?
17550  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ixcoin - a new Bitcoin fork on: August 15, 2011, 08:56:15 PM
if the IX collapse I feel like we mined for no reason.

LOL I didnt mine for no reason. I was able to scrape BTC off the exchange for Ixcoins I generated on the first day.
17551  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ixcoin - a new Bitcoin fork on: August 15, 2011, 08:36:23 PM
I think Thomas is unloading some of his Ixcoins for BTC. I am hard pressed to believe he would hang on to them for very long.

Those were dumped in the first day when there was 400000+ of volume on the exchange never seen over 200000+ after that...

If you watched the market that day the market only went up. So if he was dumping coins on the market two would the price go up? It would go down because of oversupply. I'm sure Thomas is smart enough to know not to make huge trades on the exchange. But I am sure he is cashing out over time. 580k coins come on that's alot of money made in less than a week worth of official public mining.

Well when demand for is greater than supply the price goes up or that is what they taught me in economics class anyways...

Edit: And I would add the only way for all them coins to be there on first day would be from him it would not have been possible to have all been mined by others.

In the first 24 hours 1,000,000 Ixcoins were mined. What are you talking about? Exchange came like 9 hours after the inital announcement of the new network. Where are you getting your numbers from?
17552  Other / Off-topic / Re: [namecoin] new concept of domain names alltogether possible? on: August 15, 2011, 08:21:53 PM
with the emergence of distributed dns's such as namecoin, could the fundamental logic of domains be redefined alltogether?

could a url be made to look like this?:

protocol://space.subspace1.subspace2.subspace3/folder/file?=POST_DATA

with 'space' being the domain name and the idea of TLD's and country name suffixes dropped entirely?


I'm writing this because I had a science ficticious hallucination last night and a white-bearded guy with a pointed hat and an e-cigar told me the domain name system was gonna be renamed to 'space name system' (SNS) and that those www.'s and dot-something's were gonna be a thing of the past.

I also saw something about desktops disappearing and 3d nodebrowsers...uh never mind




Were you smoking bitcoins on a bit pipe?
17553  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ixcoin - a new Bitcoin fork on: August 15, 2011, 08:19:57 PM
I think Thomas is unloading some of his Ixcoins for BTC. I am hard pressed to believe he would hang on to them for very long.

Those were dumped in the first day when there was 400000+ of volume on the exchange never seen over 200000+ after that...

If you watched the market that day the market only went up. So if he was dumping coins on the market two would the price go up? It would go down because of oversupply. I'm sure Thomas is smart enough to know not to make huge trades on the exchange. But I am sure he is cashing out over time. 580k coins come on that's alot of money made in less than a week worth of official public mining.
17554  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ixcoin - a new Bitcoin fork on: August 15, 2011, 07:18:54 PM
I think Thomas is unloading some of his Ixcoins for BTC. I am hard pressed to believe he would hang on to them for very long.
17555  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ixcoin - a new Bitcoin fork on: August 15, 2011, 06:41:15 PM
Ixcoin sure looks like it is dying today. I could be wrong but the price is tanking and is less profitable now to mine Ixcoins than bitcoins.

I'm going to keep watching because I am curious what Thomas believes will happen with this network once the profiting dries up.
17556  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin on: August 15, 2011, 06:33:04 PM
I stayed up all night for the original release date so been up for 24 hours have to stay up and another 24 hours + another 6 once its released to get it all working...

I sure hope it is worth it for ya!
17557  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin) on: August 15, 2011, 04:26:42 PM
WHERE are all the people decrying alt chains as "scams" and proclaiming they won't participate in I0coin for whatever moral reasons?  Or do we have to wait til we pass 10 difficulty levels before the johnny come latelys, who missed the early adopter boat, start whining?

you r spot on.
17558  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin) on: August 15, 2011, 02:31:17 PM
Are you fucking kidding me I just rent 5 ghash for 5 btc for a day GETTING ALL PREPARED THEN I SEE THIS !!!! When I had it all thought out with 5 hours remaining then the deadline increases  Cry

http://www.i0coin.org/

1 DAY AND 8 HOURS FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There better not be anymore delays OR I Will be out of another 10 btc :/


Who did you rent 5 GH/s from?
17559  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin) on: August 15, 2011, 04:16:37 AM
What does the counter counting down on i0coin.org exactly for if you are posting the software and documentation at 1500 GMT?
It says "Now!" for me. I live in the future it seems!

I'm confused. What does "Now!" mean and in what context. Currently it isnt 1500 GMT like was stated for release I0coin.

Edit: I forgot that DoubleC is in NZ. My bad.
17560  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin) on: August 15, 2011, 04:11:21 AM
What does the counter counting down on i0coin.org exactly for if you are posting the software and documentation at 1500 GMT?

21 hours from now would be after 1500 GMT.

Am I correct in my assumption that you are releasing the software prior to the launch of the network for mining etc?

The reason i ask is because 1500 GMT is not 21 hours from now but more like 11 hours.
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