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321  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Stakenet - XSN - The Next 50x Altcoin Out There? on: September 26, 2019, 01:17:34 PM
Thanks, they added me for the next bunch testers.
Canít wait to try it out Cheesy

Alright cool Wink

I've been messing around with a few other multi currency wallets, and this one does indeed look extremely nice. It's gonna be a very cool wallet once the Lightning DEX itself is ready to be integrated into the wallet itself. Smiley
322  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Stakenet VS Komodo. Atomic Swaps / Lightning Swaps DEX on: September 26, 2019, 01:12:44 PM
So as there is nobody involved within my wallet then, will there be a Backup functionality to save my fundings?

You can backup your wallet using a random combination of 12 words, it's the same way the Exodus wallet functions, if you're familiar with it.  Smiley
323  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: If you're a huge fan of BTC and LTC, You might want to take a look at Stakenet. on: September 26, 2019, 01:06:18 PM
So you mean, it is possible to stake xsn and get btc as reward instead?

The picture below answers your question pretty much. Using CCPOS, which will be enabled eventually, you'll be able to cross chain stake your XSN. Pretty cool Wink

324  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: If you're a huge fan of BTC and LTC, You might want to take a look at Stakenet. on: September 25, 2019, 07:11:58 PM
What Kind of Lightning will be used in that Solution?

Lightning seems to be the Future but is it secure enough?

Lightning will be completely decentralized, and easy to use for anyone who wants to try it out. Masternodes who acts as the backbone will run all the technical stuff, and the "consumer" of the services, will be able to use all these lightning services for payments on goods and services online and offline, as well trade coins back and forth. When staking, you'll be able to choose to recieve BTC/LTC or any other coin you want as incentive to stake XSN.

Lightning is fully secure, and is being worked on constantly.
325  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If you could invest in a project with it's own hardware device, WOULD YOU? on: September 25, 2019, 07:07:36 PM
Any Clue about how Dex Aggregation would work?
Thats something i never heard before.

I'm pretty sure it's a service that will connect DEX API's and route transactions back and forth between them.
Like, if you wanted to trade 50 LTC for BTC, and 50 LTC is available on Blocknet's DEX, it would buy up the LTC through the BlockNET DEX, and credit you the coins. I'm sure a DEV could answer this better from a technology standpoint Smiley
326  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Stakenet VS Komodo. Atomic Swaps / Lightning Swaps DEX on: September 25, 2019, 07:03:49 PM
And there is no KYC right?
That annoys me much.
Specialy since all that Exchange hacks.

No, there is no such thing as accounts, registrations, or any personal details needed.

You also don't need to sync with the network, manage multiple wallets at once, or anything like that. You've got everything in one place basically.
327  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If you could invest in a project with it's own hardware device, WOULD YOU? on: September 25, 2019, 01:09:39 PM
The XSN teams shouldn't focus much on hardware wallets right now and instead focus more on better future upgrades, hardware wallets in my opinion is not something i can consider a working product since it has nothing to do with stakenet tokens itself, this won't drive adoption rate at all

This is just a SMALL part of what the x9 devs behind Stakenet is working on right now, I just wanted to mention this as it seems like nobody even knows about this project, or their ideas and plans. I challenge anyone to take a quick glance at their roadmap: www.Stakenet.io/Roadmap

Their Lightning DEX is soon ready for launch, and their Multi Currency Wallet with inbuilt Lightning Swaps is in open BETA testing.

This project will run on masternodes, and these masternodes will be paid from a LOT of different sources, including dApps, and block rewards.

Masternodes will yield income based on the services they'll provide below:

* Lightning Dex
* One click instant Lightning Swaps (NOT Atomic Swaps)
* DEX Aggregator
* Masternode escrow services
* Masternode based oracles/arbitration
* CCPoS - Staking rewards in any other coins
* Tor, PrivateSend, random hop secrets
* Masternode's collateral backed stable coin
* Lightning dApps
* TPoS - Hosting of Trustless Cold staking contracts
* Voting Delegates
* Automated payment of node operators
* Masternode Managers
* Multiple keys for Masternodes
* Enhancements for Smart Contracts and dApps
* Masternode reward split
* Masternodes Quorums Autonomous Swaps
* Cross-Chain dApp infrastructure
* Watchtower services


328  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Stakenet - XSN - The Next 50x Altcoin Out There? on: September 25, 2019, 12:55:55 PM
How can i take place in that Open Beta?

Wallet looks good. But is it fast enough?

To participate in the open beta testing of the wallet, you'll have to join the official Stakenet Discord server, and ask to be invited to test it!

Fast enough? It's pretty much instant, as it runs on lightning  Wink
329  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Stakenet VS Komodo. Atomic Swaps / Lightning Swaps DEX on: September 25, 2019, 12:53:23 PM
Usdt Sounds interesting to me.

So it would be possible to thether up in Wallet.

Would be a very nice feature in times like this  Grin

Yeah, it definitely would have saved me a ton of money seeing BTC drop as heavy as it did yesterday. It was down like 18%? Could have saved at least 10% of that loss using tethering up instantly.
330  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Stakenet VS Komodo. Atomic Swaps / Lightning Swaps DEX on: September 24, 2019, 06:27:35 PM
Is it known what kind of pairs would be available at Launch?

Nice to hear about that progress.
Cant wait for the first reviews on that.

Not entirely sure yet, but I believe to start off we'll have the following coins supported:

BTC
LTC
XSN


USDT will hopefully be added as well (and other stable coins perhaps). Groestlcoin is also a project that has caught interest, as they are on lightning too.
331  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How Sure Are You That You Invested In A Right New Coin? on: September 24, 2019, 06:23:27 PM
Simple, invest in projects with actual products to show for themselves. Invest in what you believe is the "future", and you should be okay.

Personally I'm investing in Stakenet (XSN), as they are the leading - most innovation coin when it's comes to scaling solutions, and lightning network. There product evolves around a huge masternode network, which is gonna run the following jobs, AND be paid for it:

* Lightning Dex
* One click instant Lightning Swaps (NOT Atomic Swaps)
* DEX Aggregator
* Masternode escrow services
* Masternode based oracles/arbitration
* CCPoS - Staking rewards in any other coins
* Tor, PrivateSend, random hop secrets
* Masternode's collateral backed stable coin
* Lightning dApps
* TPoS - Hosting of Trustless Cold staking contracts
* Voting Delegates
* Automated payment of node operators
* Masternode Managers
* Multiple keys for Masternodes
* Enhancements for Smart Contracts and dApps
* Masternode reward split
* Masternodes Quorums Autonomous Swaps
* Cross-Chain dApp infrastructure
* Watchtower services


Do your own research though. Wink
332  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: great projects to get in while the price is low -- low supply projects only on: September 23, 2019, 06:00:30 PM


It blows my mind that Stakenet hasn't been mentioned here much lately. It's one of the most promising projects I know off currently for a wide variety of reasons actually.

They are probably the project that has developed the most upon Lightning Transctions.
The Lightning Network is supposed to be able to scale Bitcoin, and while there has been a lot of problems along the way the X9 team behind Stakenet never gave up on it.
They helped Litecoin implementing it on mainnet, before they did it on their own. Source: https://litecoin-foundation.org/lightning-network-collaboration-with-x-9-developers/

This means XSN was the third project next to BTC and LTC to implement Lightning Transactions onto mainnet.

When implementing lightning channels on a network of 2000+ masternodes it all becomes very very powerful and useful. While most masternode projects are complete trash, Stakenet actually innovated on the idea of creating a whole eco-system based on masternodes who's gonna run everything in the background. Decentralization is KEY, and this solution makes one of the most decentralized networks out there by utilizing a wide variety of jobs attached to all these masternodes.

Jobs of XSN Masternodes:

* Lightning Dex
* One click instant Lightning Swaps (NOT Atomic Swaps)
* DEX Aggregator
* Masternode escrow services
* Masternode based oracles/arbitration
* CCPoS - Staking rewards in any other coins
* Tor, PrivateSend, random hop secrets
* Masternode's collateral backed stable coin
* Lightning dApps
* TPoS - Hosting of Trustless Cold staking contracts
* Voting Delegates
* Automated payment of node operators
* Masternode Managers
* Multiple keys for Masternodes
* Enhancements for Smart Contracts and dApps
* Masternode reward split
* Masternodes Quorums Autonomous Swaps
* Cross-Chain dApp infrastructure
* Watchtower services



Stakenet was the inventor of Cold Staking (TPOS - Trustless Proof Of Stake) - Which is by far the best cold staking solution out there. Cold staking requires a merchant, who will run a VPS that will have access to a staking "key". This shared staking key will allow for your coins to stake, even in cold storage. The merchant wont have access to your coins, and can't move them.
The merchant decides the fee he will take when running the merchant node, generally speaking the more coins you own, the lesser the fee.

If you are a small holder, you can use Stakenet's Pooled Staking Service, which is a centralized service, so use it for small amounts only.


Stakenet has other services too, such as Masternode As A Service, and Masternode Monitoring Service - If you own 15,000 XSN you're able to setup a masternode on the network. Masternodes can be a pain for most newbies to setup and maintain, but with this service anyone can setup one in a few minutes.
All this with 100% control of your own coins, they never leave your wallet. Stakenet hosts and maintains the VPS server that will keep your masternode running, they will even do maintenance if something needs to be upgraded such as the wallet itself running the masternode.

The masternode monitoring service will keep you up to date with the status of your masternodes, and will send you an email if your node goes offline. This is pretty smart, since you don't even need to open your wallet everyday to make sure everything is running, you can simply log in to your Cloud account on: https://cloud.stakenet.io and check everything on the go.



The most exciting part is the passive income which you'll get by running a masternode. Right now beta testing of the Stakenet Wallet is taking place.
This is a Multi Currency Lightning Wallet with inbuilt 1-click Lightning Transactions and TOR-integration for privacy.



This wallet will be available for Android And IOS as well real soon, here is a preview picture of it:



The cool thing about this wallet is that everyone will benefit from it. Even if you don't have any interest in the project, the wallet is still extremely useful as a tool for trading, and scalping profits whenever BTC goes into a bullrun.
If you're a strong believer in BTC, or LTC this wallet will be very handy to store your coins in, here's why:

USDT is moving to lightning soon, this means that soon, you'll be able to tether up inside your own wallet - with 100% control of your own coins, for a fraction of the cost you normally pay to do so (over the lightning network). This will happen almost instantly as these transactions are incredibly fast. Everything is handled by the masternode network in the background. Never have lightning transactions been so easy, and available to the average Joe.
Imagine how many fees is gonna pile up by huge whales who wants to stay anonymous and in control of their own coins all the time. All these fees will be collected and distributed among all the masternodes in the eco system.

Next thing on the roadmap is the Lightning DEX. A DEX that will run entirely by masternodes. The general problem with DEX's today is the liquidity problem, and the slow proccess of trading which is a pain in the butt for the average Joe to use, hence why you see such a low volume on them.
The X9 team behind Stakenet have come up with a genius plan to solve that issue:

Liquidity:
Solved with their DEX Aggregator solution. The Aggregator combines multiple DEX order books together, and makes sure you get the best deal on your trades. It adds a ton of liquidity to the network. The fees collected will be used to buy-back XSN, and distribute them to the masternodes running the eco-system

Speed:
If you trade lightning compatible coins on the network you can trade pretty much instantly, just like any other DEX. The masternode network will host all the chains supported by the DEX, this means that you as a user wont have to:

Sync With The Network
Register To Anything
Do Any Form Of KYC (Know Your Customer)


Regulation is tumbling down on every single exchange out there, even IDEX just recently announced they'll force KYC on their users, which quite frankly is scaring people away.

Stakenet is SO decentralized, that once they have launched their DEX, even if they where FORCED TO: They CAN'T stop the DEX from running. . The network is essentially a peer 2 peer solution which you can't shut down, same reason why you can't shut down the internet in fact.


Price prediction:

I believe Stakenet is developing the future. It's pretty clear that everyone HATES KYC and regulation at this point. Cryptocurrencies was never meant to be used as it is today. Centralized exchanges have too much monopoly over the market, and they are hacked left and right.

I personally believe XSN could go 50x and beyond that at this very moment, mostly because I believe the passive income aspect of their Stakenet Wallet, and their Lightning DEX will drive the price up a LOT, once everything is up to speed. The project will market itself once it's up and running.

The only thing they lack at this very moment is a decent exchange listing to put them up in the top 100 of Coinmarketcap. Even without that, their DEX solution will get people talking soon. It's gonna be very powerful with the constant XSN buy backs, and their RSB Rewards model will make sure some of the total supply is burned.

Do your own research on this one. Read the roadmap, and the white paper which covers way more than I did here, among other great things they'll develop (Including their own hardware wallet called VIPER)


333  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / If you could invest in a project with it's own hardware device, WOULD YOU? on: September 23, 2019, 05:10:51 PM
We are all aware of Ledger, Trezor, and Xeeda. Cool hardware wallets, which thousands of people use daily.

These companies isn't funded by any ICO's, they don't even run any blockchain solutions, but again, why should they?
But the question still stands: If Ledger made their own "Ledger-Coin" would you invest in it? Why? Why not?

I'm asking because a project I'm a huge fan off is building their own hardware device, called: VIPER. This hardware device will compete with the 3 brands mentioned above, but this project does have it's own blockchain, and in fact, the hardware device is just a small part of the whole project.

I'm talking about Stakenet. Not sure how many of you are familiar with XSN, but it's THE leading Lightning Network developing project out there. In fact, they helped the Litecoin team implement Lightning on mainnet.

I really wonder why this project is SO under the radar, probably because of the bear market?

Not gonna shill the project too heavy here, as most people hate that, but IF you want to read more about it, I made another thread right here explaning it all (with pics): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5167414

So the question still stands, would you invest in a hardware device project? Afterall every single day we hear the following: "There is no REAL product, the project is based on hype alone, not worth shit", which makes Stakenet stand out completely from the crowd it seems?

334  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Listing on exchanges is affecting projects too on: September 22, 2019, 12:17:31 AM
8 BTC is reasonable if the exchange is very large and already has enough users,
but not all of them pay 8 BTC, I've seen some exchanges have low costs for listings, for example stex, and of course there are quality and quality prices, stex is not like binance, but at least it could be an alternative with not quite expensive cost.

Binance would probably ask for more than a million dollars to be listed there. Even small exchanges charge HUGE amounts of money. Cryptopia charged 10 BTC when they where running. That's when BTC was at 14k btw.. That's $140k.. That's insane.

Decentralized exchanges is the future. That's where I'm putting my money. Sick and tired of exchange hacks (Never was a victim, thank god), exchange scandals, (Blocknet and Binance, holy shit what a shitfest). KYC enforcement, frozen wallets, etc. etc...

Sadly most of the DEX solutions we have right now, sucks, and lacks liquidity and volume. Hopefully Stakenet's Lightning DEX, will solve all of this. Do your own research, but their advantages is:

NO KYC
NO registration
Instant Trading
Virtually 0 Fees
100% Anonymity
100% Security

Everything a centralized exchange offers, just with added security.

My hate towards Binance is enourmous, they are a bunch of crooks, fooling everyone. Their "Binance DEX" is NOT a DEX at all. When you've got a DEX where all the nodes is owned by the same person (Binance) it's NOT a DEX.

One thing is for sure, these exchanges demanding TONS of money isn't getting my business.
335  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: OkEx Korea removes all privacy coins on: September 19, 2019, 06:44:17 PM
Why should we even care at this point? It's funny how everyone is panicking when centralized exchanges choose to do whatever they do. It's incredible how much power these exchanges have.

I can't for all the upcoming DEX solutions to be fully up and running, so I can move all my trading off of these centralized shit exchanges.

Personally looking forward to Stakenet's Lightning DEX, which will offer instant trading over lightning, with virtually no fees at all.
Not only that, but you wont even need to register, submit KYC data, or sync up with the network, since the DEX will be running on masternodes. One of the most promising DEX's out there, that's for sure.
336  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Stakenet VS Komodo. Atomic Swaps / Lightning Swaps DEX on: September 19, 2019, 06:38:27 PM
Have you checked to see how long it now takes  to transfer on komodo? I assume transactions took that long in the past because it was being tested...

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1) Nobody needs to sync with the DEX to use it, since all the chains is held by the masternodes running the DEX.
I guess the masternodes are rewarded for this?


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Not a fan of the whole "Binance DEX", since it's not a DEX in the first place. All the transactions is verified by Binance themselves (they own all the nodes), which isn't decentralized at all.
This doesn't even qualify as decentralized exchange. Shouldn't have been called a DEX. 
I bet the developers would say they took this route for the sake of speed and capacity.

Well, it transaction times depend on the coin pairs you want to trade, but I can assure you that none of those trades will be even remotely close to being instant, which bothers me a lot, as I don't see why anyone would sit there and wait, when they could trade instantenously on a centralized exchange?

Yes, the masternodes are rewarded for any dApp they run. The DEX is just ONE dApp which will run on Stakenet. Another dApp currently in open BETA testing is their multi currency wallet with inbuilt lightning swaps, and TOR-integration. The DEX will be implemented into it later on, so you'll have everything in one place. This allows for a lot of cross chain transaction capabilities, including but not limited to: CCPOS (Cross Chain Proof Of Stake), which means you'll be able to STAKE XSN, and be rewarded in BTC if you'd like.


I dont know much about stakenet but do they have any actual products or DEX to try?

Komodo just made their atomic dex beta public. So that is a product you can get your hands on and test right now.
Seems like stakenet still has a long way to go before any tangible product is out.

https://atomicdex.io/

works on both ios device and android



Stakenet's Lightning DEX is actually close to being finished, and their multi currency wallet is in open BETA currently. These will be 2 dApps, powered and run by the masternodes.

Komodo has been in the game for much much longer than Stakenet, yet Stakenet is progressing extremely fast, considering the things they build is worlds first.

To name a few:

TPOS - Trustless Proof Of Stake. First Cold staking solution, invented and coded by the Stakenet team
Multi Currency Lightning Wallet, with inbuilt lightning swaps, (litteraly with a push of a button), and integrated TOR-integration
Lightning DEX which is the first DEX in the world to be powered by a huge network of masternodes, which is gonna route payments through the lightning network.
And much more to come...


Do your own research, Komodo is a very promising project, but it's got a marketcap 17X of Stakenet's. Wink Which is more than enough of a reason to pay attention to this gem of a project.
337  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Stakenet VS Komodo. Atomic Swaps / Lightning Swaps DEX on: September 18, 2019, 06:22:02 PM
Not all projects that called themselves a DEX are the same.  Saturn.Network for example is a true DEX, don't Trust - Verify..
"Saturn Network is decentralized exchange for trading Ethereum & Ethereum Classic tokens. Saturn Network is censorship free featuring automated token self-listing and wallet to wallet trading with no deposits or withdrawals required. All paid trading fees are reimbursed with SATURN tokens, and all collected trading fees are shared among SATURN token holders."
1. NO KYC
2. All on change orderbooks
3. Projects are free to self list


It's nice to see a lot of DEX solutions launching these days.
The Saturn.Network, does it ONLY work with ERC20 tokens? Kind of sucks if it doesn't even support LTC, BTC, or any of the other major coins out there?
Also, I doubt trading is instant, since it would be a centralized solution in that case. Only way to do instant transactions on a DEX, is by using Lightning to route payments back and fourth.

I'll do my own research on the project, thanks for posting man Smiley
338  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / If you're a huge fan of BTC and LTC, You might want to take a look at Stakenet. on: September 16, 2019, 06:53:17 PM
When reading on social networks like Twitter and Facebook, it's clear as day that people are worried about Bitcoins future. I see these questions all the time:

"Do you see Bitcoin as a store of value, OR digital Cash?".
Why can't it be BOTH?

With increasing demand for Bitcoin, it has it's obvious limits, and scaling issues. Lightning is a great fix for that, but the incentive to run a lightning node just isn't there. This is one of the many reasons people don't like Lightning at all.

Stakenet is a "new" project (Launched march 2018) that has been working on Lightning since it's very beginning. In fact, they helped the Litecoin team implementing Lightning on mainnet.

Stakenet is not a "competitor" to Bitcoin at all, quite the opposite actually. Stakenet aims to ENHANCE the user experience of BTC and LTC. How? Stakenet is a masternode coin, which will run the first Lightning DEX protocol in the world, only by utilizing masternodes. This is a genius way to use lightning, since masternodes are paid in multiple ways.

Block rewards
Lightning Transactions
Privacy Transactions
dApps, like The Multi Currency Lightning Wallet
Cold Staking Contracts
And more

So in this setup, there is an actual incentive to run a lightning node, since you already have a server running (your masternode) in the first place!
This means, you'll be able to send and recieve BTC/LTC/XSN over lightning in seconds, and hold them in Stakenet's Multi Currency Wallet. (Which will be available on IOS and Android as well).

This also means, that XSN is accepted as payment everywhere where BTC or LTC is accepted, since you can swap during payment in mere seconds.

Once USDT moves to Lightning as well, you'll be able to trade BTC/USDT straight from your wallet, without EVER moving your funds outside your own wallet. You wont even need an exchange in this case, and it SHOULD really give anyone the peace of mind, that they wont be victim of any exchange hacks moving forward.

What do you guys think? Before anyone comments about the "liquidity" issue of the DEX, go read about their DEX aggregator solution, (order book combining from multiple exchanges) first. Wink
339  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Atomic Swaps use cases on: September 16, 2019, 06:29:58 PM
Atomic swaps is cool and all, but really way too slow to use on a DEX if you ask me. Depending on the coin pairs, it can take several minutes to exchange 2 coins using atomic swaps, and while it "seems" fast, it's not.
Imagine yourself as a day trader, wanting to trade on the ups and downs - Now imagine waiting up to 10 mins / trade. You'd run out of patience real quick, and would probably move your operation over to a centralized solution with INSTANT trading.

Now, let's imagine a DEX using Lightning to swap your coins? The benefits here is HUGE, since the trades is near instant, AND virtually feelees. So you save time, AND money.

Take a look at Stakenet - 3rd project to actually implement Lightning on mainnet (Next to BTC/LTC), and actually helped the LTC team integrating it on their chain.
Stakenet's Lightning DEX is soon ready for public testing, and it's probably the most promising DEX solution out there for PRO traders, who wants to stay anonymous as well, since the DEX doesn't need KYC, registrations, or anything else for that matter. You also don't need to sync with the DEX, as the DEX is run on masternodes keeping all the chains on their servers.

This is a true gem, however, do your own research guys Smiley
340  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Are the scam projects killing entire crypto space? on: September 13, 2019, 11:27:24 PM
Waaay too many ICO scams. I personally don't invest in ICO projects for this very reason, since they are typically not launched fairly.

Look at ARK for instance. One of the WORST performing coins. Due to their ICO, a lot of early investors bought the majority of the coins, and dumped the price to where it is right now, being able to buy the coin at 1 cent. Not saying it's "unfair" to be an early investor, but if a few people control most of the coins, it's not really that decentralized anymore.

There are a few gems out there, who launched fairly, one of them which I'm eyeing is Stakenet. Very interesting project due to the milestones they already set thus far, considering they launched in the middle of the bear market (March 2018).

First POS coin with Segwit, Masternodes, Atomic Swaps, And Lightning
Inventor of TPOS (Trustless Proof Of Stake)
Helped Litecoin implementing Lightning on mainnet, which was a cool collaboration, besides that they fixed a major flaw in the PIVX seesaw mechanism between masternodes and stakers.
3rd project to implement lightning on mainnet next to BTC and LTC.

Their Lightning DEX is the most exciting part of it all however, but I'll let you guys do your own research on it, only thing I'll say is that it beats most DEX solutions out there Smiley

Peace out!
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