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1  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is Elon Musk developing a quantum computer? on: January 10, 2020, 03:49:39 PM
Maybe he read this posts:

I do not know why people think that Bitcoin security will stop as is and too worried about quantum computers.  It maybe a threat but I am sure, Bitcoin developers will find way to level Bitcoin's security up before that happen.
That's not an issue. Bitcoin developers have already post quantum solutions.
But there are lots of 'shalecoins', https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134441.0 coins with no owner. With quantum computers, these coins will become active and change the Bitcoin ecosystem.

Satoshi had already thought of the quantum computers, and the possible decoding of the privatekeys if it became available, ..
His coins would be quantum secured, if he sent them to P2PKH addresses. But he did not and isn't doing.
2. Satoshi created the greatest prize competition and the privatekeys are somehow within the blockchain. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5150688.0

and privatekeys are somehow within the blockchain = quantum computer?

We will get the answer with quantum computers. As soon as possible.


Move your coins from old addresses to make them quantum secure.
'Shalecoins', coins with no owner ' https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134441.0 will be 'fracked'..


Quantum computers will surprise the Bitcoin community. The 'shalecoins' will be moved and will become active.

Yes, it is possible.
2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Google's Quantum Computer Destroy Bitcoin? on: December 14, 2019, 01:59:02 PM
the developer will always upgrade the system following the growth of the technology.

That's not an issue. Bitcoin developers have already post quantum solutions.
But there are lots of 'shalecoins', https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134441.0 coins with no owner. With quantum computers, these coins will become active and change the Bitcoin ecosystem.

Satoshi had already thought of the quantum computers, and the possible decoding of the privatekeys if it became available, ..
His coins would be quantum secured, if he sent them to P2PKH addresses. But he did not and isn't doing.
2. Satoshi created the greatest prize competition and the privatekeys are somehow within the blockchain. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5150688.0

and privatekeys are somehow within the blockchain = quantum computer?

We will get the answer with quantum computers. As soon as possible.
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm Thinking of Bitcoin Blockchain Accessible Without Internet on: December 12, 2019, 03:00:35 PM
Bitcoin blockchain doesn't need internet but it needs a stable network. We are using the internet for Bitcoin as it is the best network solution today. It's possible that one day Bitcoin will have it's own network with several connection possibilities and that the internet will be a side network that is connected to that main network.
4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Make Bitcoin 'QUANTUM PROOF'! on: December 03, 2019, 04:58:54 PM
Make Bitcoin 'QUANTUM PROOF'!

That is possible, Bitcoin developers have already post quantum solutions.
But there are lots of 'shalecoins', https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134441.0 coins with no owner. With quantum computers, even with a quantum resistant blockchain, these coins will become active and change the Bitcoin ecosystem.
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Satoshi think that quantum computers will exist? on: December 02, 2019, 05:45:36 PM
Researchers from the Russian Quantum Center suggested that quantum computing could eventually obsolete blockchain altogether.
If they are speculating that Quantum computer could make the blockchain obsolete then i can speculate that the bitcoin core will come up with a solution

That's not an issue. Bitcoin developers have already post quantum solutions.
But there are lots of 'shalecoins', https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134441.0 coins with no owner. With quantum computers, these coins will become active and change the Bitcoin ecosystem.

Satoshi had already thought of the quantum computers, and the possible decoding of the privatekeys if it became available, ..
His coins would be quantum secured, if he sent them to P2PKH addresses. But he did not and isn't doing.
2. Satoshi created the greatest prize competition and the privatekeys are somehow within the blockchain. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5150688.0

and privatekeys are somehow within the blockchain = quantum computer?

We will get the answer with quantum computers. As soon as possible.
6  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Quantum computing is not really a Bitcoin problem. on: November 21, 2019, 04:02:50 PM
Don't worry about Bitcoin, a small niche. The world will have BIGGER problems to worry about with the arrival of quantum computers. Hahaha.

The world will be able to fix the quantum issue and implement a quantum secure mode through rewinding, freezing, correcting accounts. But Bitcoin can't ...

They can immediately change to quantum resistant signature systems, but their data is very big for a blockchain.
7  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Forum and Satoshi on: October 22, 2019, 02:01:47 PM
The digital signature is the biggest proof of ownership it is the one thing that we all been waiting for

One day the early mined coins will move and the Bitcoin community will think that it's Satoshi. We think that Satoshi has created a Bitcoin prize competition and that the privatekeys are somehow within the blockchain https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5159185.0 and that others will move these coins.

Yes, almightyruler, anything could have happened. And Satoshi knew that all. He tested all the blockchain with many computers before releasing the applications. He knew what can happen.

Gavin Andresen started a project to give away free Bitcoins https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/ (no more working) and Satoshi wrote June 2010:
Excellent choice of a first project, nice work. I had planned to do this exact thing if someone else didn't do it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=183.msg1620#msg1620

He waited but thought that someone else will do it. We think that he is waiting that someone moves the early mined coins to show to the Bitcoin community that it's a prize competition and that the private keys are somehow on the blockchain.
8  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open letter/question to Satoshi on: October 18, 2019, 02:52:54 PM
Re: Satoshi Nakamoto - 1,5 million Bitcoins - We need answers

As you can see on the fifth graph here http://bitcoin.sipa.be/ , for many months Bitcoin was very unknown to the public and because of that difficulty didn't change to the upside. If I have understood it correctly around 1,5 million Bitcoins were created from February 2009 until the end of same year. Also if I have understood it correctly very few people mined under this time period making the conclusion that Satoshi Nakamoto and a few more people have a considerable amount of Bitcoins (worth today around 16 million dollars). You could also suppose that a majority of this coins are in the hand of Satoshi Nakamoto. Today it has gone more than two years from the birth of Bitcoin, I am convinced that Nakamoto has big plans for Bitcoin and he/she/they have put considerable amount of time and effort in this interesting project.

We think that Satoshi has created a Bitcoin prize competition and that the privatekeys are somehow within the blockchain.
9  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open letter/question to Satoshi on: October 17, 2019, 04:47:14 PM
December 2015 a Bitcointalk member discovered a puzzle transaction while playing around with his bot:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306983.msg13381244#msg13381244
At that time nobody declared such a puzzle transaction which was created January 2015 until the creator of that competition came out 2 years later:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306983.msg18765941#msg18765941
As of 01/10/2019 there are still more than 100 BTC to win. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166284.0

We think that the early mined coins of Satoshi are also a prize competition and that Satoshi is waiting this coins to be moved. We also think that he will not respond after somebody moves the first coins but it will be a message to the Bitcoin community that the private keys are somehow on the blockchain. If Satoshi disagreed with that conclusion he would have moved the coins to other addresses.
Interesting hypothesis, but these could have also happened...

- He lost the keys (James Caan doesn't know how to do backups)
- He became incapacitated in some way, and family/friends didn't know he was Satoshi, or how to recover the funds
- He saw how big Bitcoin's economy had become, and chose to destroy (or put on ice) his private keys, knowing that if the early blocks move it could crash the economy
Yes, almightyruler, anything could have happened. And Satoshi knew that all. He tested all the blockchain with more computers before releasing the applications. He knew what can happen.

Gavin Andresen started a project to give away free Bitcoins https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/ (no more working) and Satoshi wrote June 2010:
Excellent choice of a first project, nice work. I had planned to do this exact thing if someone else didn't do it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=183.msg1620#msg1620

He waited but thought that someone else will do it. We think that he is waiting that someone moves the early mined coins to show to the Bitcoin community that it's a prize competition and that the private keys are somehow on the blockchain.
10  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Satoshi think that quantum computers will exist? on: October 02, 2019, 01:27:26 PM
Quote from: Hans17 link=topic=5188910.msg52617635#msg52617635 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188910.msg52617635#msg52617635
Well here in this article it said that quantum computers are very common right now and we cant stop that and we cant stop asking ourselves about it because quantum computers basically has purpose an atomic level calculations, and we somehow know that quantum computers will be exposed sooner or later.

Fully operational? i guess on some states maybe?

More likely private groups.
11  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open letter/question to Satoshi on: October 01, 2019, 04:47:26 PM
Why is P2PKH used instead of the simpler P2PK?
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/72184/why-is-p2pkh-used-instead-of-the-simpler-p2pk/72201#72201
Pieter Wuille:
The original reason why addresses were a public key hashes is something you'll need to ask Satoshi. My guess however is that it was just shorter and more convenient (note that compressed public keys weren't known at the time). .. One often repeated argument in favor is quantum resistance.

Our guess is that he knew that the early mined coins will be moved one day. So he created a 'prize competition'. Otherwise he could move the coins to quantum resistant P2PKH addresses, but he did not and is not doing.

The only question is:


Who will win the race and get the early coins?

Quantum computing or solving the "Satoshi Prize Competition".


Nobody can stop that race.
12  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open letter/question to Satoshi on: October 01, 2019, 04:18:14 PM
We think that a development of Bitcoin is impossible without solving the 'shalecoin' issue, coins with no owner https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134441.0
13  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Satoshi think that quantum computers will exist? on: September 30, 2019, 01:33:20 PM
Back in 2009, Satoshi Nakamoto probably wasn’t overly concerned about advancements in quantum computing when he developed Bitcoin’s key encryption. Even now, quantum computing is still quite far off adoption levels that could be classed as mainstream, with only a handful of companies possessing the technology. But developments do mean that the threat that quantum computing poses to blockchains is starting to become real.

The scary thing is that the pace of development now means that it’s likely that quantum computers could soon break the 309 digit encryption that’s used across many modern systems today - including many blockchains.

https://cryptodaily.co.uk/2019/09/how-will-blockchains-battle-quantum-computing
14  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open letter/question to Satoshi on: September 27, 2019, 03:03:54 PM
Great try by Op but still we not sure that we can see the Satoshi in the white light and I do not believe that he will comes and show his face off first of all. Then how we can expect these answers from Satoshi.

Lets hope with OP, May be he may pass the anonymous mail to you Grin Grin Grin
It's hard to imagine, what could happen, if Satoshi will read and, moreover, answer to OP for his letter  Grin
In case of any activity from mysterious Satoshi all crypto community will be extremely excited.
I would just write-Thank you!

We hope that one day we will be able to move the rewarding coins. It will support Bitcoin and the community.
15  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open letter/question to Satoshi on: September 27, 2019, 02:07:17 PM
Hello Satoshi

we think that you have created a bitcoin prize competition and that the privatekeys are somehow within the blockchain. We are trying to solve it and will move the rewarding coins. If you want to add something to that statement, please don't hesitate.

Thank you

Maybe some others are also trying -- Maybe Satoshi created the greatest prize competition https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5150688.0

I think he did. I'm sure that Satoshi has been through a lot of trial and error proceedure and testings. I have no doubt that he has creating things like the greatest prize competition. We all know that Satoshi has been successful will Bitcoin through several trial and error.
Yes there is a difference from "lost coins" i mean people who lose access to their coins, pc crash and no backup, forget and throw away there pc, and yes Satoshi i think create a prize competition but i don't think private keys can be found from blockchain.
He is or was the greatest cryptographer to ever exist to be able to create the thing such as the blockchain which has stood the test of 10 years of attacks and people trying to break the chains. Wink
I think he would of put something in there and a way to unlock the prize at the end of the journey for the right person.


16  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open letter/question to Satoshi on: September 27, 2019, 01:40:46 PM
Hello Satoshi

we think that you have created a bitcoin prize competition and that the privatekeys are somehow within the blockchain. We are trying to solve it and will move the rewarding coins. If you want to add something to that statement, please don't hesitate.

Thank you
17  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Satoshi think that quantum computers will exist? on: September 24, 2019, 01:40:44 PM
“There’s still a long way to go between a demonstration of quantum supremacy and genuinely practical applications of quantum computing, but in my view reaching this milestone is a genuinely exciting moment”
https://physicsworld.com/a/google-reports-quantum-supremacy-in-draft-paper/

Move your coins from old addresses to make them quantum secure.
'Shalecoins', coins with no owner ' https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134441.0 will be 'fracked'..


Quantum computers will surprise the Bitcoin community. The 'shalecoins' will be moved and will become active.
18  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Satoshi think that quantum computers will exist? on: September 17, 2019, 02:13:06 PM
Don't worry about Bitcoin, a small niche. The world will have BIGGER problems to worry about with the arrival of quantum computers. Hahaha.

The world will be able to fix the quantum issue and implement a quantum secure mode through rewinding, freezing, correcting accounts. But Bitcoin can't and that will lead to forks. We already have two main post quantum 'forks':

1. The original chain with all the coins. The 'shalecoins', https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134441.0 coins with no owner, will have new owners as it will be able to move these coins.
The original chain will remain the strongest chain. If some groups can reproduce the privatekeys of 'shalecoins', coins with no owner https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134441.0, it's their reward. They are trying to build a computer in the near future, that wouldn't be built so fast without that incentive. That opportunity accelerates the technology. If there are still some BTC owners -incl. Satoshi- with old addresses and remove their coins now, they will be secure. So it's a fair game. And nobody can change that game: Bitcoin rewards the best technology.

The Bitcoin network is a pure competition network. Only the best technology will be successful here and make it secure. A Bitcoin fork without the old coins would be like another s**tcoin, because it would avoid real competition.

2. A fork without old coins which could be transferred by quantum computers.
(For example: Burn Satoshis coins to end the threat of prices crashing - Paxful Founder https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5177563.0)

Both chains will be upgraded to quantum secure.
19  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin’s race to outrun the quantum computer on: September 17, 2019, 01:56:55 PM
Don't worry about Bitcoin, a small niche. The world will have BIGGER problems to worry about with the arrival of quantum computers. Hahaha.

The world will be able to fix the quantum issue and implement a quantum secure mode through rewinding, freezing, correcting accounts. But Bitcoin can't and that will lead to forks. We already have two main post quantum 'forks':

1. The original chain with all the coins. The 'shalecoins', https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134441.0 coins with no owner, will have new owners as it will be able to move these coins.
The original chain will remain the strongest chain. If some groups can reproduce the privatekeys of 'shalecoins', coins with no owner https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134441.0, it's their reward. They are trying to build a computer in the near future, that wouldn't be built so fast without that incentive. That opportunity accelerates the technology. If there are still some BTC owners -incl. Satoshi- with old addresses and remove their coins now, they will be secure. So it's a fair game. And nobody can change that game: Bitcoin rewards the best technology.

The Bitcoin network is a pure competition network. Only the best technology will be successful here and make it secure. A Bitcoin fork without the old coins would be like another s**tcoin, because it would avoid real competition.

2. A fork without old coins which could be transferred by quantum computers.
(For example: Burn Satoshis coins to end the threat of prices crashing - Paxful Founder https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5177563.0)

Both chains will be upgraded to quantum secure.

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20  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Satoshi think that quantum computers will exist? on: September 13, 2019, 01:41:49 PM
Quantum computers could arrive sooner if we build them with traditional silicon technology
http://theconversation.com/quantum-computers-could-arrive-sooner-if-we-build-them-with-traditional-silicon-technology-123115

IBM, Fraunhofer partner on German-backed quantum computing research push
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ibm-germany/ibm-fraunhofer-partner-on-german-backed-quantum-computing-research-push-idUSKCN1VV20A

FULLY CONTROLLABLE AND HIGHLY STABLE 10-QUBIT CHIP PAVES WAY FOR LARGER QUANTUM PROCESSOR
https://www.quantaneo.com/Fully-controllable-and-highly-stable-10-qubit-chip-paves-way-for-larger-quantum-processor_a223.html

Imec and NUS to collaborate on chip-based quantum cryptography technology
https://www.imec-int.com/en/articles/imec-and-nus-to-collaborate-on-chip-based-quantum-cryptography-technology
Although one might argue that such a large-scale quantum computer is still some time away, the situation is nevertheless an urgent one..

Move your coins from old addresses to make them quantum secure.
'Shalecoins', coins with no owner ' https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134441.0 will be 'fracked'..


Quantum computers will surprise the Bitcoin community. The 'shalecoins' will be moved and will become active.
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