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181  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 01:06:03 AM
How will my ideas become solutions if no one wants to even try out my ideas?

What are your ideas for Gun Control and UBI?


They wont.  Because you still think the gun is the problem.
The problem is the person, the gun is an object or tool. Outlaw guns altogether and they'll kill each other with knifes. Before guns existed, lets say the 1400-1500's for example.... was there a lack of violence?  No, people killed each other with swords and rocks and spears.
The inherent problem is people and the raising of their children. Do you blame the dresser that falls over and kills the 2 year old kid, or the parent for not watching their kid when their climbing on the dresser ?

No matter how many ideas you come up with to alter/ban/abolish an inanimate object, human depravity will simply find a new object to use

But for now, a good dampening measure would be to just simply enforce the gun laws we currently have.  Judges are far too lenient. (See the felon who killed the cop in TX got 150k bail?)
I never said that the gun is the problem and we need to ban guns. It's the firing of guns by anyone holding the gun is the problem.

And the knife is not the problem, its the thrusting of the knife?

Come on.  If you are now saying the gun is not the problem, but the pulling of the trigger is.....  (pulling the trigger requires human input)... then why are you trying to fix the gun, and not the reason behind the trigger pull?

The gun will not fire without human intervention. You need to fix the human.
182  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 12:40:37 AM
How will my ideas become solutions if no one wants to even try out my ideas?

What are your ideas for Gun Control and UBI?


They wont.  Because you still think the gun is the problem.
The problem is the person, the gun is an object or tool. Outlaw guns altogether and they'll kill each other with knifes. Before guns existed, lets say the 1400-1500's for example.... was there a lack of violence?  No, people killed each other with swords and rocks and spears.
The inherent problem is people and the raising of their children. Do you blame the dresser that falls over and kills the 2 year old kid, or the parent for not watching their kid when their climbing on the dresser ?

No matter how many ideas you come up with to alter/ban/abolish an inanimate object, human depravity will simply find a new object to use

But for now, a good dampening measure would be to just simply enforce the gun laws we currently have.  Judges are far too lenient. (See the felon who killed the cop in TX got 150k bail?)
183  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 12:32:21 AM
Read the story again.  Only the second issue on that trail in a decade.  Not really a dangerous place with those statistics.  Two robberies in 10 years, along a scenic river jogging/biking trail used by hundreds daily.

Random bad stuff happens.

But either way, Your idea kills the man.

Who? The attacker? I say good riddance then. One less asshole to worry about.

No, the old man that had to defend himself. With your idea, he would been even more severely injured or even killed,
Maybe if he was riding with a friend, he wouldn't have been attacked at all.


So what now? Mandate no one can leave their house unless with a friend?

We're are talking about your cell phone gun IDEA.  Not societal rules/customs.  What does your gun do in this situation?  Or every other failure we've shown you
184  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 12:10:22 AM
Read the story again.  Only the second issue on that trail in a decade.  Not really a dangerous place with those statistics.  Two robberies in 10 years, along a scenic river jogging/biking trail used by hundreds daily.

Random bad stuff happens.

But either way, Your idea kills the man.

Who? The attacker? I say good riddance then. One less asshole to worry about.

No, the old man that had to defend himself. With your idea, he would been even more severely injured or even killed,
185  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 12:08:54 AM
....

I do, however, live in the real world where I don't have to worry about attacks from deer, Russians, or zombies. ...

How about you do what you want, and I'll do what I want?

Or what I think is best for my protection and that of my family?

Obviously, you've never encountered a hostile wild pig, a rabid dog, been involved in a carjacking, or many other real world things.

If you insist on trying to devise a scheme for others, who have other realities that yours, you will look foolish.
No, I haven't been involved in any of those things.

I just thought of solutions to some problems. I know that these solutions won't work for everyone but at least it's a start. I don't see any other solutions. Do you?

But, its not a solution.  It's an idea.  I applaud people coming up with ideas to solve a problem. But its not a solution until it's deemed to actually be able to solve the problem.  It's an idea, that will not work.  Scratch that plan, come up with a new idea
186  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 11:44:49 PM
Read the story again.  Only the second issue on that trail in a decade.  Not really a dangerous place with those statistics.  Two robberies in 10 years, along a scenic river jogging/biking trail used by hundreds daily.

Random bad stuff happens.

But either way, Your idea kills the man.
187  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 11:24:20 PM
Why would anyone other than law enforcement need to fire their gun in public?

To shoot a deer?
To stop a criminal of many kinds?
To resist a Russian invasion?
To stop an attacking dog?
Zombies?
To resist tyrannical zombies?

Do you live in NYC where their is a cop on every corner or something? Because in the real world police aren't really there to save you..
Nope. I don't live in NYC where there's a cop on corner.

I do, however, live in the real world where I don't have to worry about attacks from deer, Russians, or zombies. I think that you need to stop watching too much tv lol

Guess your "real world" doesnt have violent criminals who prey on the perceived weak.   Sounds like a fantasy world
188  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 11:13:02 PM
Here's a local story I'm familiar with of EXACTLY why your idea will not work, and would've killed an innocent man. This trail he was riding on is remote and not easily accessible for cops, and never patrolled.

http://www2.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=361731

A 65-year-old Reading man who was riding his bicycle was justified in shooting two teens - one fatally - who tried to rob him on a Schuylkill River trail as part of a crime spree, the Berks County district attorney said Thursday.

The teens, age 16 and 15, and another 15-year-old boy skipped school Wednesday and robbed two pedestrians in West Reading before they attacked the man as he rode on the Thun Trail in Cumru Township at 11 a.m., police said.

The man, whose name authorities withheld, will not be charged for shooting the teens because he acted in self-defense, which is legal under Pennsylvania's Castle Doctrine, District Attorney John T. Adams said.

"While I don't condone violence, the bike rider had no choice," Adams said. "It was justifiable homicide."

Julius Johnson, 16, of Reading was pronounced dead at the scene Wednesday morning after he was shot in his chest with a handgun, officials said.

An autopsy Thursday by Dr. Supriya Kuruvila, a forensic pathologist at Reading Hospital, determined Johnson died of a gunshot wound to the chest, according to the county coroner's office. The death was ruled a homicide, officials said.

The 15-year-old shot in the neck remained in Reading Hospital on Thursday, officials said. Information about his medical condition could not be obtained. Police did not release his name because he has not been charged.

The third teen, Michael Gonzalez, 15, address unavailable, was charged with robbery, aggravated assault and related offenses and committed to the county youth center in Bern Township.

Officials said an investigation continues.

Johnson was a Reading High School student, and the 15-year-olds are Gov. Mifflin High School students, Adams said.

Adams gave this account:

Johnson was on probation for previous offenses. Juvenile probation officers had gone to his Oakbrook residence earlier Wednesday and found the three teens playing video games.

They told the two 15-year-olds to leave. The officers put an electronic monitoring device on Johnson's ankle, ordered him to stay home and report to their office with his parents at 4 p.m.

Instead, the three met up and decided to jump and rob random victims.

They first robbed an elderly man in West Reading shortly after 10 a.m., taking money from his pockets, then tried to rob another man in West Reading, kneeing him in the stomach and pushing him to the ground. Neither man was hurt.

The bike rider was on the trail between Reading and West Reading.

As he rode past the teens, the 15-year-old whose name was not released punched the man in the face, knocking him from his bike. Johnson ran and kicked the man, who was sitting against a chain-link fence along the trail.

As one of the teens ran toward the man, he shot Johnson and the 15-year-old.

People who found the man called 9-1-1 and waited for police to arrive. It was unclear if the people heard the shots or were on the trail.

The teens weren't armed, but the shootings were legal because the man was unable to escape, thought his life was in danger and had a permit to carry his gun, Adams said.

The man told investigators: "I was scared for my life. I was in big trouble. If I could have kept my bike on the trail, I would have gotten out of there."

The man was unhurt but shaken by the shootings, Adams said.

Adams did not know if Johnson's monitoring device had GPS tracking capabilities or if it simply triggered an alarm when he left his home. Adams said juvenile probation officers acted appropriately.

Cumru Police Chief Jed Habecker credited his department for its quick investigation.

He said the crime was only the second robbery to occur along the Cumru section of the Thun Trail in about a decade.

Adams said he has heard from many people in the community that the bicyclist was a hero for successfully defending himself.

"When your life is in danger, you have no choice but to use deadly force," he said.

Contact Mike Urban: 610-371-5023 or murban@readingeagle.com.
189  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 11:08:35 PM
And btw, many civilian gun owners shoot much better than cops. Ive seen it first hand..... often
190  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 11:06:38 PM
Alright, lets try a different train of thought. Several people explained very common sense reasons why this will not work. So let's move on to a different angle.

Lets say it does work. You find someway to convince people to turn in 380million guns in the US, gun manufacturers to make 380million guns for free, and implement some Federal agency to oversee the program and authorize gun unlocks.
And we'll just forget about the thousands of people that die waiting for govt approval to defend themselves.
We just ignore all the impossibilities that have been logically laid out.

Congrats, you did it. Every gun in the US is rigged with your cell phone tech and is under govt control for use.

What happens when cell signals are blocked? Inside a tunnel. Inside a hospital. The toy section at walmart. In the state forest too far from a cell tower. During a natural disaster when all line are overwhelmed.

I live about an hour outside Philadelphia, and we still have huge dead zones out here.
What if the sky falls?

What part of firing your gun in a public place don't you understand? Why would anyone other than law enforcement need to fire their gun in public?

Ok. I was trying to be fair and logical with you.  Obviously that isnt working.
You really think law enforcement is going to be everywhere all the time?   Where the heck do you live that you think theres always a cop around to protect you?   I cover an area of 24sqmi with a population of 16,000. And on night shift, theres normally two cops, sometimes one.
Legal gun owners are the first line of defense. We usually get there 7 minutes later to take the report and photograph the body.

I have to ask some demographic questions to see where you are coming from.  What is your age bracket? 20-25?  Region of residence? Large city?
191  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 10:38:08 PM
Alright, lets try a different train of thought. Several people explained very common sense reasons why this will not work. So let's move on to a different angle.

Lets say it does work. You find someway to convince people to turn in 380million guns in the US, gun manufacturers to make 380million guns for free, and implement some Federal agency to oversee the program and authorize gun unlocks.
And we'll just forget about the thousands of people that die waiting for govt approval to defend themselves.
We just ignore all the impossibilities that have been logically laid out.

Congrats, you did it. Every gun in the US is rigged with your cell phone tech and is under govt control for use.

What happens when cell signals are blocked? Inside a tunnel. Inside a hospital. The toy section at walmart. In the state forest too far from a cell tower. During a natural disaster when all line are overwhelmed.

I live about an hour outside Philadelphia, and we still have huge dead zones out here.
192  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 07:59:44 PM
Again, gun owners do not want to give up the power to kill anyone whenever they feel like it. That's the bottom line.


This is the second time you've used this statement,   You are wrong, just flat out wrong. 

You're thinking you can interchange the words 'gun owner' and 'criminal' anytime you want. Thats literally what your statement does.

At this point, its obvious you know very little about guns, gun safety, common sense and society as a whole.  You have an amazing naivety to the situation you want to correct.

193  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 10:56:41 AM
What about my solution for Universal Basic Income for all? Maybe if people made more money, there would be less crime.

I believe I expressed my opinion on that in my first post. 

Maybe if more people worked for their money, there'd be less dependency on the government running everyone's lives and using my taxes to fund it.

YTD deductions out of my paycheck are over $35,000. And I haven't even looked at my capital  gains taxes yet.  We've thrown tea in a harbor and started a war for less than this
194  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 09:48:03 AM
Legal guns not firing in public just means criminals using illegal guns don't have to worry about a gun-wielding public. I believe there were already several incidents in the US where people shot down mass shooters. Imagine if you actually have to wait for the police to come.

Sure you can make it so that in the event that a mass shooting happens all the other guns unlock but there will be a delay between the center receiving information that one is indeed happening and them being able to deactivate the block.

Not to mention they'd probably spend even more time "confirming" the incident before being forced to unlock guns coz "Guns Bad!".

Since criminals follow the law and don't do things that are illegal, that sounds great!

Wait...

Wait they don't follow the law? I'm shookt!
Taking down a shooter in public is the job of cops; not fellow bystanders. Law enforcement don't need preauthorization to fire their guns. Unless, we change the law so that cops can't just shoot anyone when they feel like it. Maybe they should get an "ok" from a superior before they can shoot.

Look, this is far from being a reality because of too much red tape and organizations like the NRA. No one has the balls to initiate change. We will continue to have mass shootings and accidental gun deaths. This is the world we live in unless we truly want change.

This is not just about "mass shootings" or "taking down shooters".  A very large percentage of violence includes weapons and situations other than guns.  This is about ones ability to defend themselves.

You want to wait for the cops to handle everything?   Good job, you just increased the death rate in the US. You just killed that old man biking on the trail when he got jumped by 3 thugs and almost beaten to death ( true story)(he pulled a gun after being knocked off his bike).  

When seconds matter, the cops are minutes away.

The NRA isn't your issue, they're not the demon here.  They are the the only ones that have enough money (donations) to be able to present an argument to the political crooks who need to be "lobbied."

We will continue to have mass shootings, as long as the majority of the populace are sheep who are naive enough to think the govt can protect them from everything. We will continue to have mass shootings for as long as they're glorified in the media. We will continue to have gun violence as long as the criminal/thug lifestyle is glorified in the entertainment industry. Society is the issue here, not the existence of fast moving metal.

Enact more gun laws. Have the strictest gun laws in the nation. See how that worked out for NJ, CA, Chicago.
195  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 06:40:23 AM
Get a new hobby.

The chances of a bullet misfiring or jamming are higher if its a reloaded bullet So, just steal them and commit another crime? How about making the manufactured bullets hard to steal? Like Fort Knoks hard?

More people are killed by drunk drivers and car accidents than gun fire.  Should we all give up driving or alcohol to appease the masses in the name of safety?  Even though you never hurt anyone, how would you feel about your rights being taken away because of the criminal  acts of others?

You get a new hobby. It's my property, for my safety, that's never harmed anyone.


https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

The gun related murder rate has steadily declined since 1968.  Without any changes to the gun
196  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 06:33:58 AM
I think the biggest thing you're overlooking is mindset.  

The criminals don't care what they laws are, so you'll never get their guns.  And if by some chance you do, they just find another weapon they can control. Homemade guns or knives.

Now the mindset of the lawful gun owner.  We believe we have a right to defend ourselves.  What I own to do that is none of the government's business. I'm not going to give up control of my life, and life-saving decision making, to the government.

 Then you have enforcement issues. Guns tend to be a problem more so where there's a concentration of criminals. Ie: big cities.  Out in the suburbs, we have no issues with guns.  Likewise, law enforcement follows the same concept.  City cops think no one should have a gun but them. Suburban cops can often depend on legal gun owners for assistance.

   I'm a suburban cop. I have sworn to uphold the Constitution.  I will not take guns away from my citizens. And I will not surrender my personal collection of guns.

  Your process will turn 100million lawful citizens into "criminals."
That's the problem: the mindset of the gun owner. You don't want to give up the power to kill anyone anytime you like.

You're a cop, how about the accidental firing of guns by their children? How many of those have you seen? The technology could prevent that.

The gun's design hasn't changed since it was invented. Don't you think its time for a little modernization?

We have smart homes, phones, and cars. We even have smart toilets. Why can't we have smart guns?

Nah, you're a little off base there. You think the gun owner wants "the power to kill anyone anytime"... that's where you are out of touch.  We want the ability to defend ourselves and our loved ones FROM people who think they can kill anyone anytime.

I have no problem with a smart gun of sorts... like fingerprint unlocked guns.. to prevent careless gun owners children from using them. But that needs to be voluntary, not mandated. As far as how many accidental shootings I've seen.... over 18 years, I've seen 4 total.  Two were nobody getting hit, just a hole in the floor, because they followed at least one of the gun safety rules.  The other two were gang banger criminals accidentally shooting themselves. One in arm. One in leg.  Both were legally prohibited from possessing firearms.
 It's not the mindset of the gun owner you need to worry about, it's the mindset of the criminal.
197  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 04:58:22 AM
Here's another thought: make it really expensive to fire gun. Add a $1000 tax per bullet. The money raised could go towards the victims of gun violence. Hunters could learn to use a crossbow or a bow and arrow.

So recreational shooters are now punished for the actions of criminals?  No thanks.

Everyone will then just make their own rounds.  We do it now.  It's called reloading.

And still will not stop criminals.  Why buy $1000 billets when they can just steal them.


I think the real flaw in your thought process is believing guns are the problem.   It's the criminal who uses it unlawfully.  
What if we just make homicide illegal, wouldn't that stop the criminals?

"Gun violence" is just violence, regardless of the weapon used.

Run some numbers.... 383,000,000 guns are owned in the US.  How many of them are used criminally each year.
198  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 04:45:53 AM

The owner of the store could get permission to fire his gun and protect his business and customers beforehand . As far as protection from printed guns and bullets, I guess that's where we're fucked. But, how many gun crimes are done with printed guns? I'm guessing not that many.

If a criminal wants to commit a crime, their isn't much that can be about that. Smart Gun Technology could make it harder to commit the crime or at the very lest prevent the accidental firing of the gun.

When does the store owner get permission?   Beforehand, like weeks or months ahead?   If so, then a smart gun isn't so smart. A regular gun gives him the same decision making process. If not beforehand, then when?   During the robbery?  "Please excuse me from this robbery for a moment mr bad guy, I have to call the govt for permission to use my gun, I'll be back in 5min."
I'm not talking about printed guns. Plenty of us know how to make a real gun.  It really is a simple machine. Look up 80% lowers.  

Smart gun Tech will only help stupid people who don't know how to handle a gun.
199  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 04:40:59 AM
I think the biggest thing you're overlooking is mindset.  

The criminals don't care what they laws are, so you'll never get their guns.  And if by some chance you do, they just find another weapon they can control. Homemade guns or knives.

Now the mindset of the lawful gun owner.  We believe we have a right to defend ourselves.  What I own to do that is none of the government's business. I'm not going to give up control of my life, and life-saving decision making, to the government.

 Then you have enforcement issues. Guns tend to be a problem more so where there's a concentration of criminals. Ie: big cities.  Out in the suburbs, we have no issues with guns.  Likewise, law enforcement follows the same concept.  City cops think no one should have a gun but them. Suburban cops can often depend on legal gun owners for assistance.

   I'm a suburban cop. I have sworn to uphold the Constitution.  I will not take guns away from my citizens. And I will not surrender my personal collection of guns.

  Your process will turn 100million lawful citizens into "criminals."
200  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 04:17:24 AM
Part two of impossible:   Let's say this gun plan had a snow balls chance.  How do you implement it?  How do you get the 393 million current guns out of the public's hands?  Many of these current guns are not on any 'registry' or ownership list. Some states do not require any FFL involvement in transferring of long guns. Some guns have been passed down from family, which also requires no FFL. Some guns have been possessed since prior to any transfer laws. Some guns are manufactured without a serial number (still perfectly legal today), or have been in existence since prior to serial number requirements.
The law could require the gun manufacturers to make replicas of all their models with the Smart Gun Technology. And owners of the guns could simply exchange their guns at no cost. The manufacturers already made their profit when they sold the original. All guns without the Smart Gun Technology, could be made illegal.

So, you'll enact a law, requiring gun manufacturers to take huge financial loss?  Making more guns costs money/labor/overhead.
And then you expect a criminal (who doesn't follow the law by definition) to exchange their gun for a new one they don't control.?
And then the guns w/o new tech being illegal, will never be found unless they are caught with the gun in their possession.
And all the current law abiding gun owners will become criminals if they don't hand in their property?

(Not being disrespectful here.... just walking you thru real life)
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