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21  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone... What are your thoughts on it? on: June 25, 2020, 10:34:46 PM
crayon drawing

I got mad crayon skills. Feel free to stick it to your fridge:

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Thanks... I actually chuckled a bit....  now can you cut that green section in half?. Make one part blue, the other red.  

Or, here's a really specific one in this article...   https://www.dailykos.com/story/2020/3/2/1923544/-The-Biden-vs-Bernie-Electability-Hypothesis
22  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone... What are your thoughts on it? on: June 25, 2020, 09:51:38 PM
I originally wrote "The majority of Americans voted for no one last time." which is factually and contextually correct.

It's not, unless you count kids.

Population: ~320 million
Voting age population: ~250 million
Voting age population who didn't vote: ~110 million
(it's even less if you adjust for inmates and non-citizens)

Calling that a majority is highly irregular - that's why it caught my eye.

Your coming up with wordy BS to cover your own ignorance is nothing short of amazing.  

I appreciate that you care so much about us simpletons and blessed us with this diagnosis.

It's really cute how you try to pick flyshit out of pepper.  I even explained the easy-to-understand sentence in the following post. Apparently still not clear enough, let me direct your attention to a pie chart in the sky:

Look up, draw an imaginary circle. Thats voters.   Now draw a line down the center, bisecting the circle into two halves.  
Next...in one... only one of those halves, bisect it again. But not the other original half.
You should be left with a pie chart depicting 1/2, 1/4 & 1/4.    Or in pie chart terms 50%, 25%, 25%.

Now assign some labels to those sections.  The big part being the half or 50%, write CHOSE TO NOT VOTE.   Then in the remaining smaller sections, being the 1/4's or 25%'s, write Trump in one, and Killary in the other.

Now, step back an marvel at the creation.   Which is bigger?    

American voters, in their choice of the 3, (no one, Killary, trump), the majority chose no one.

If that's still causing trouble for you, PM me your address, and I'll mail you a crayon drawing.
23  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone... What are your thoughts on it? on: June 25, 2020, 08:38:30 PM
"Neither"  was the largest segment of registered voters.

It's misleading to call it a "majority" in election context, which typically means >50%. What you're describing is usually called a "plurality" when talking about elections.

It's also a bit weird to say "the majority of Americans voted for no one." That makes it sound like they walked into the voting booth and wrote in "No One."

The majority of voters actually voted for Hillary.

I have to take that back; the 3rd parties + Trump beat out Hillary.

Both of you are playing cute word games....

I originally wrote "The majority of Americans voted for no one last time." which is factually and contextually correct. Apparently that wasn't blatantly obvious enough for you two.

Your coming up with wordy BS to cover your own ignorance is nothing short of amazing. 


24  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone... What are your thoughts on it? on: June 25, 2020, 03:17:07 PM
The majority of Americans voted for no one last time. They chose no giving a crap over either candidate, because it didnt have that much effect on their personal life.

Last time? 2016 turnout was 55%, typical for a presidential election. So most people did vote for someone.

Right.  Try that math again.


Of registered voters:
Maybe 20-22% voted for Trump
Maybe 20-22% voted for Killary
Maybe 2% voted for 3rd party independent
45% voted for no one

"Neither"  was the largest segment of registered voters.


(Not diggin up exact numbers for this, its quite obvious)
25  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone... What are your thoughts on it? on: June 25, 2020, 02:12:49 PM

I've seen maybe a handful of articles like this, but the majority of them aren't saying such. All the media wants to report on is the fact that they're holding a few peaceful speeches and all about how they're developing a new community without law enforcement involved.

The media really should be showing the issues that are present in this 'new society' instead of just trying to skew the argument by JUST showing the 'amazing' of this society.

I can't believe people accepted that 6 blocks of a MAJOR US CITY was taken over by people and no one did a thing. Seattle flees. Interesting. I'd think that Trump would have the support of popular opinion of stopping this if it happened in DC.




Well..... its an election year.   And like we saw last election, the left has to get violent to "have their voices heard."
It wasn't enough last time, so they saw the error in their ways and have to scream louder.
They think they're making a point or expressing their views...... but the majority of Americans see the obvious. That they're discrediting their views by their actual actions. This will only encourage more voting AGAINST them.

The majority of Americans voted for no one last time. They chose not giving a crap over either candidate, because it didnt have that much effect on their personal life.  I think that'll will change a bit more this time, now that the innocent and indifferent have had their cities burned, cars pelted, and safety challenged.

Just look at RGR stock (Ruger gun company)... stock prices went from $38 to $73 in a matter of two months. Because everyone is buying guns, gun sales are soaring. Not because leftists are arming themselves against the government. But because everyone is arming themselves fearing a leftist mob will attack them.
26  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone... What are your thoughts on it? on: June 25, 2020, 01:09:25 PM
I read an article saying a large portion of CHAZ 'residents' were fleeing the zone because of the high amount of crime and violence inside the No-Cop zone.

These kids cannot even see their own irony.

('Kids'- can also include Liberals in this context)



I had someone ask me the other day "How do you know which side are the good guys?" I told her it's usually the side that doesn't support burning buildings, erasing history, attacking the police, race baiting, taking away your rights and silencing free speech.
27  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Demographics and politic views..... what's yours? on: June 24, 2020, 05:22:26 PM
I am Spendulus.

NO, Tis I, that is the renowned Spendulus.

It's me! Not Them! I am Spendulus.

Over here! It's me and only me. Only I!

<<<this goes on for days, take your pick, they're all lying cretins that rise from fetid ponds in the full moon, then masquerade as goodly and noble during the bright sun>>>

We should probably just remove the whole thread, rather than expect anyone to be sincere or honest in here.
28  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Politics & The English Language -By George Orwell on: June 23, 2020, 10:23:54 PM
They found syrup and rice racist.
They were offended by a cartoon puppy.
They disarmed another cartoon.


I really dont know what else to say.
29  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: June 23, 2020, 06:15:17 PM
GOT IT.

Meanwhile, do YOU want to align yourself with "Black Lives Matter?"

How about chanting "Black Lives Matter?"

What would one be affirming?

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=44832

Radical marxism.

I kind of don't think MLK would have liked or approved of this. I think he would have spat on it.

Absolutely not. The BLM movement has demonstrated a very high rate of criminal activity, and by policy, I am not permitted to associate socially or politically with known criminals.

Additionally, my personal belief is that they are narrow-minded, and their movement is counter-productive to their goals.
  "Don't racially profile me, or I'll steal your TV" is a piss poor way to send the message you want.
30  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Demographics and politic views..... what's yours? on: June 23, 2020, 05:51:51 PM
You dont give a shit about preconceived notions, yet have the preconceived notion that good cops anywhere in the US should be attacked because of a criminal cop in Minneapolis.

Except I don't. Way to torpedo your own thread by making shit up like that.

Got it... hot pocket kid.   Thanks for your input.

This is what I'm talking about. You're not really looking to understand what motivates people or influences their opinions. That'd be mildly interesting albeit mostly useless on the internet where no one knows that you're a dog. You seem to be looking to confirm your bias or perhaps to find new angles to attack people... for what exactly? For disagreeing about politics?

BTW I'm too scared to leave my basement for a hot pocket so I'm on a Dew & Doritos diet. I hope that doesn't make me a terrorist on your life experience chart.


Can you at least come to the window and share?  Dew and Doritos are my shizznit.


Let me rephrase the original question.....  does anyone care to share the WHY behind the way they think?  I'm trying to understand where people get their unwavering opinions, why they're no willing to listen to anything that opposes their narrative, and what has led them to think that way.

Did you learn it in college? From your parents?  From you co-workers?  
Why are we assuming all white people are racist?  Why are we assuming all cops are murderers?  Why are we assuming Orange Man Bad? Why are we rallying behind illogical political narratives?



I'll start:   I was independent, never gave a crap about politics. Believed they were all blowing smoke and only in it for personal gain and power. I refused to vote in any election. I was never into any organized religion, and for years felt R-candidates were too concerned with religion and abortion, and D-candidates were too concerned with giving away tax money.   So I voted for neither.  This went on for a few decades.
   My first felt effect of politics was in the military, when Clinton began closing bases and downsizing. This caused many great leaders into forced retirement. Then his Assault Weapons Ban, which made cosmetic things illegal, although tripling the value of every gun I owned.   And I still refused to vote. Clinton/Gore 1992 even ran confederate flags with their campaign. I felt all politicians were slimey.  I was tired of political BS and fluffy speeches that had no content. No one delivered what they promised. I thought that we needed less politics and more business-type leaders. I wanted a candidate that looked at the bottom line, and rewarded effort.
   Then Obama came along. Listening to his rhetoric full of emptiness and lies, handing out freebies, I feared Obama would be nothing but a race divider. He would flip the script and take a racial balance and turn it into a hatred for whites. So my first vote ever was to vote against him. Dont even recall who the R-candidate was. I found that useless because of the state I reside in. And I was right. He made race relations worse than ever. Racism started flipping the other way to hate white people for being white.  Growing up in the '70s and '80s, we never gave a crap about skin color. Adulthood in the military had the same result. No one cared. We all worked, played, and fought together.
   Then Trump comes along.  What a horrible politician, but being from the business world, he valued results and fairness for effort. Eh, could be worse. Not really interested in voting for him.  But what's the other choice? Hillary? OMG, she's unreal and full of nothing. A proven liar, damn near traitorous if you look at the Uranium and Foundation things.  Nope, dont like Trump that much, but Hillary will be another smoke blower who does nothing but give fluffy speeches. So here I am again, not voting FOR a candidate, but voting only AGAINST the other.

   I've seen the definition of racism change over the years to suit political movement.
  
   I believe in Law and Order, and will continue to vote for the same.  Civilized society.

    And regarding the refusal of people to listen to another point of view. Well, I find that insane. We were taught as kids that discussing religion, politics, and money with others is only a recipe for disaster and argument. You leave me alone and I'll leave you alone.
  The problem I have now is some people refuse to listen to factual data. They refuse to consider what a person experience in the subject has to say. They refuse to consider alternatives to the stereotype.

  I'm here. Ask me anything. I'm usually politically neutral. But I'm 100% in favor of law and order. Look at my username.  Ive been a cop for almost 20 years.  I wear a chest full of awards for saving lives, several dozen to date. I have never caused injury or death to anyone.   But yet I am hated because some dumb cop 2000 miles away did something criminal.  
  

Here's a good synopsis of today's world:

Why Did The Chicken Cross The Road?
DONALD TRUMP: I've been told by my many sources, good sources - they're very good sources - that the chicken crossed the road. All the Fake News wants to do is write nasty things about the road, but it's a really good road. It's a beautiful road. Everyone knows how beautiful it is.
JOE BIDEN: Why did the chicken do the...thing in the...you know the rest.
SARAH PALIN: The chicken crossed the road because, gosh-darn it, he's a maverick!
BARACK OBAMA: Let me be perfectly clear, if the chickens like their eggs they can keep their eggs. No chicken will be required to cross the road to surrender her eggs. Period.
AOC: Chickens should not be forced to lay eggs! This is because of corporate greed! Eggs should be able to lay themselves.
HILLARY CLINTON: What difference at this point does it make why the chicken crossed the road.
GEORGE W. BUSH: We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road or not. The chicken is either with us or against us. There is no middle ground here.
DICK CHENEY: Where's my gun?
BILL CLINTON: I did not cross the road with that chicken.
AL GORE: I invented the chicken.
JOHN KERRY: Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road, I am now against it! It was the wrong road to cross, and I was misled about the chicken's intentions. I am not for it now, and will remain against it.
AL SHARPTON: Why are all the chickens white?
DR. PHIL: The problem we have here is that this chicken won't realize that he must first deal with the problem on this side of the road before it goes after the problem on the other side of the road. What we need to do is help him realize how stupid he is acting by not taking on his current problems before adding any new problems.
ANDERSON COOPER: We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been allowed to have access to the other side of the road.
NANCY GRACE: That chicken crossed the road because he's guilty! You can see it in his eyes and the way he walks.
PAT BUCHANAN: To steal the job of a decent, hardworking American.
DR SEUSS: Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed I've not been told.
ERNEST HEMINGWAY: To die in the rain, alone.
GRANDPA: In my day we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Somebody told us the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough for us.
ARISTOTLE: It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.
ALBERT EINSTEIN: Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the road move beneath the chicken?
COLONEL SANDERS: Did I miss one?

31  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: June 23, 2020, 05:19:49 PM
Rather than drag on the quote boxes:

Nutildah: I bring it up, because it's factual information.   The more crime you commit, the more you get arrested, the greater the chance you have of finding that bad cop. It's Russian roulette. You pull the trigger enough times, you're likely to find a bullet.  This bullet's name was Chauvin.

Spendulus:  the technique used to have two branches. A choke hold, and a sleeper hold. One was permitted to be used in deadly force situations, one was permitted to be used in only non-deadly force situations. Other departments in the US discontinued the use of both, because an inch or two difference in application can move the applied pressure from the artery to the windpipe, and there were too many unintentional deaths.
   A cop can be criminally charged when the approved policy is used when not warranted. I have a policy that says I can shoot someone who shoots at me.  Me shooting someone is authorized under some conditions. Me shooting someone who does not present a deadly threat is a policy and law violation.  This is what Chauvin (and the other guy on Floyd's back) did. They used approved force techniques when the prerequisite conditions were not present.
32  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Demographics and politic views..... what's yours? on: June 23, 2020, 04:11:48 PM
No. Thats not what I'm looking for.  Please protect your anonymity at all cost.  I'm looking to se if anyone is able to share what life experience you have.  Are you just "an old thinking boomer", are you "eating hot pocket in your mommies basement", are you an "educated college grad with no real life experience."

So far, EVERY response on this thread has been off topic

I'm a "don't give a shit what preconceived notions others might have about my mommy's basement" type of person.

I'm quite sure it's on topic to say that your topic is misguided and doesn't serve the purpose you're aiming for. I was perfectly comfortable thinking that Cnut237 is a cunt until you started this thread. Now I have to google some king.

You dont give a shit about preconceived notions, yet have the preconceived notion that good cops anywhere in the US should be attacked because of a criminal cop in Minneapolis. 

Got it... hot pocket kid.   Thanks for your input.
33  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: June 23, 2020, 03:36:21 PM
Still not sure what the charging document has to do with Floyd being a longtime criminal.
But sure..if you want to bring up apples in and oranges argument, go for it.  

Still not sure how Floyd being a longtime criminal justifies the clearly excessive use of force that led to his death. You're saying that not only was Floyd's previous crimes (or current one of passing a fake $20) grounds for the death penalty but the cop had the right to act as executioner? If not, what are you saying exactly? Think about it.

And if you want to talk about excited delirium, and positional asphyxiation, I'm sure I mentions both of those really early in this thread. (Page 6 was my first mention of it)

Okay and seeing as how you are not a medical examiner you aren't a credible source when it comes to speculating upon his cause of death.

1. Nope.  Never said that. I guess English wasn't a good subject for you.  Try reading the WORDS again.  I said a criminal with 10 arrests is 10x more likely to encounter a bad cop than a criminal who was arrested once.
  I've never justified the unlawful death of Floyd.  But you seem blind to basic facts, so wrongfully opine away fella.  

2. I have 2 decades of training, education, and experience with excited delirium and positional asphyxiation. No one here has ever heard those words before this Floyd case. I knew it the first time I saw the video. Been there, done that. And, I'll go so far as to say, Chauvin wasn't the primary cause for positional asphyxiation, he's secondary. The primary cause will be the cop that was on Floyd's back, preventing the rise and fall of Floyd's chest cavity.    You can offer dissenting opinion now, or put this in your back pocket and get back to me after trial.


And, I'll be so bold as to add..... go ahead and protest Minneapolis Police policy all you want. Those idiots still had the choke hold as an approved Use of Force technique.  Most every other department in the US removed that policy decades ago for the exact reason of this entire subject.
34  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Demographics and politic views..... what's yours? on: June 23, 2020, 03:27:01 PM
Tell us about yourself, your age, education, life experience, work experience, income bracket.

You want people to near-dox themselves for what? The great thing about this forum is that we don't need to care about this shit that tends to distort people's opinions IRL. Your ability (or lack thereof) to discuss stuff is all that matters here.

No. Thats not what I'm looking for.  Please protect your anonymity at all cost.  I'm looking to se if anyone is able to share what life experience you have.  Are you just "an old thinking boomer", are you "eating hot pocket in your mommies basement", are you an "educated college grad with no real life experience."


So far, EVERY response on this thread has been off topic
35  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Demographics and politic views..... what's yours? on: June 23, 2020, 12:40:11 PM
rioting youngsters attacking cops. [...] Have you never heard the phrase "shooting the messenger"?
If you think the cops are innocent messengers, I'd recommend watching the George Floyd video.

why do you refuse to consider other viewpoint ?
We each have our own unique upbringing and our own unique experiences. We each have our own perspectives and unconscious biases. Also, if we are citizens in democracies then we have both rights and responsibilities. A common problem is that people think they can have the rights without the responsibilities. It is our responsibility as adults to be aware of our biases, and to try to understand the points of view of others. Regardless of your upbringing, if you refuse to consider any viewpoint other than your own, then you will never act or think in a reasonable manner, and you will always incite conflict. It is important to consider evidence, but also context. It is important to consider both what is shown, and what remains un-shown, and why the distinction exists. Evidence suggests very strongly that the police are representatives of a system with an institutional bias against non-whites. I'm sure there are plenty of fine upstanding cops who are pillars of the community and work tirelessly to uphold justice and safeguard the populace. Equally some will be white supremacists and enjoy using power over black people. But the BLM protests aren't really about individual cops, they are about the bigger picture, and in this context each cop stands as a representative of the whole.

So, in your mind, because a cop in Minneapolis committed a crime, you can assault a cop in Florida?   Different uniforms, different law book, different employer. But same job title.

Gotcha.   And, where did you learn that?

That reasoning is no different than stereotyping. With your reasoning, we should be attack all white people because of Lee Harvey Oswald. Army vets too.  We can judge all black people by the ones who commit crime. All politicians by the fraudulent ones. We can judge all doctors by the ones who are guilty of malpractice, and all home repairmen based on the actions of the criminal Gypsy's.

Solid theory.


But anyway,,, whats your demographic?  Age group, life experience, work experience, etc..?
36  Other / Politics & Society / Demographics and politic views..... what's yours? on: June 23, 2020, 11:28:54 AM
I see a lot of the same people posting both sides of the political arguments and if often makes me wonder. What was their upbringing that makes them take the stance they do. What is their age, life experience, work experience, etc....

Like the rioting youngsters attacking cops. What makes you think that hurting other people will change a law? Have you never heard the phrase "shooting the messenger"?

So, without re-hashing everyone political bias....... what made you think the way you do, and why do you refuse to consider other viewpoint ?

Tell us about yourself, your age, education, life experience, work experience, income bracket.
37  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: June 23, 2020, 11:23:14 AM
BLM needs to be designated as a terrorist organization also.

They've declared war on police. That's no secret.   


Imagine if the NRA had done the same.
38  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: June 23, 2020, 11:12:49 AM
Still not sure what the charging document has to do with Floyd being a longtime criminal.
But sure..if you want to bring up apples in and oranges argument, go for it.  

I still stand by my statement, that a decades long criminal arrested 10x has a 10x greater chance of finding a bad cop than a criminal who has only been arrested once.


And if you want to talk about excited delirium, and positional asphyxiation, I'm sure I mentions both of those really early in this thread. (Page 6 was my first mention of it)
39  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone... What are your thoughts on it? on: June 23, 2020, 12:30:40 AM
The Tide Pod generation creates their own nation with their own laws.  
Two shootings. Segregation. Warlords. Hunger. Poverty.

They should charge for pay-per-view surveillance cameras, or make a reality show out of it.


Edit to add, 6/23: 
And now there's a 3rd shooting:
https://thepostmillennial.com/third-shooting-incident-has-happened-in-seattles-occupied-zone

40  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: June 22, 2020, 11:11:21 PM
But to keep this thread on topic... I'd suggest we talk about how big of a criminal Floyd was, and what that did do increase his odds of having a police interaction not go his way.

Seems like he had a drug problem from 1996-2007.  Got like 3 years for a 4 separate possession of <1g of cocaine charges, a few petty thefts that got him a few weeks, and then in 2007 armed robbery got him 5 years.

He got out in 2011 and had been holding down a steady job for a while until he was laid off in early spring.  My guess is he relapsed.

Did you read the charging documents?  Because it doesn't seem like you did. http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12949-TT/ThaoComplaint06032020.pdf

What does that Affidavit have to do with my comment?  

It describes the police interaction...

Go on....

Waiting for the point.

But I think your missing mine or are trying to deflect.

Floyd was unlawfully killed while being arrested. I've never contested that.
But if you look at my comment which you quoted, I said Floyd was a criminal.
What are the odds of a criminal being killed by police vs a non-criminal...... and how do you think those odds exponentially increase with the longer you engage in criminal activity?  I think Floyd demonstrated two decades of criminal behavior, maybe 10 arrests.  Wouldn't he be 10x more likely to have a bad police interaction as someone who only got arrested once?
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