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81  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: June 12, 2020, 05:23:52 PM
Not sure where you are getting these stats from


I bet that's correct. I was pointing out the absurdity of tecshare's focus. Its not a "white vs black" thing so much as "cops vs black" thing.


Take a look at what happened to George Floyd: we both can agree it shouldn't have happened. What do the white vs. black stats have to do with what happened to him?



FBI ucr data (the most complete compilation of US crime data)


Eh... close but not quite. It's a "cop vs criminal" thing. No cop cares about the skin color of the person fighting with them.


Tony Timpa.  That should be all the information you need to upset your apple cart. This whole BLM "movement" or outrage is built on a flat out lie, and perpetuated by a political strategy



82  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: June 12, 2020, 11:56:58 AM


Wholly irresponsible use of statistics. First of all, the subject highlighted by the media and this thread is police deaths of African Americans, not "white on black crime." Here's a more accurate breakdown of the issue:

Police shootings of white people in 2019: 370
Police shootings of black people in 2019: 235

White people as % of US population: 72.4%
Black people as % of US population: 12.6%

Police shootings of white people / % of population: 5.11
Police shootings of black people / % of population: 18.65

This means that black people are, on average, shot to death by police 3.65x more than white people. That is the problem.

Second of all, your graph conveniently leaves out a couple of bars.

White on white violent incidents: 2,224,024 (62.1%)
Black on black violent incidents: 396,450 (70.3%)

Also, going by the same population statistics, black people are 10% less likely to report incidents to the survey than white people (yes, the reported incidents come from a survey).

Anyone remember my post above stating that people stop looking at a subject when they find the statistic that fits their narrative?    

Here is an example.

He found the statistic that fit his narrative, and then ceased to continue evaluating the totality of the circumstances.  

Based on his numbers... theres 6x more white than black in the overall population. But black are shot dead 3.65x more than whites, by police.  (Stop here if this fits your narrative and narrow view of the subject)

Now, if you want to see the entire picture (and the truth).... factor in that 1.4% of the population (black males aged 18-35) is responsible for 50% of ALL violent crime (rape, murder, robbery).  So if 50% of police investigations/responses are being solicited by 1.4 % of the population, how more likely are that 1.4% to be subject to police interactions?  I'm sure there's a math whiz here that can figure it out.
  Let's see.... 50% of police interactions are with black males 18-35.  50% are with all other races, sexes, age groups. But yet MORE whites die than black.  Oops, there goes your narrative.

And then if you really want to dig deeper, you can find statistics that will break down the race of the involved officer, and you'll find out black officers are more likely to shoot than white officers.

If you think Police racism is the issue the media has made it... Ive got some oceanfront property in Colorado to sell you.

And we haven't even touched on the subject of how many of those killed by Police were active deadly threats or were engaged in violently attacking officers.
83  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: June 11, 2020, 10:24:19 PM
Is this really how black people are being treated in the US? There are not many black people ( I'd say its less than 1% ) in the conutry I live in so to I'm unable to understand this madness.

It is not nearly an accurate representation of the truth. It's a political game the leftists play with the media in thier pockets, and always seems to flare up and become a new headline during an election year.

There are laws, policy, and training in place for every one of these incidents.  Far more white people are killed by police than any other race. 99.999% of all incidents are justified by law. And the one's that aren't, appropriate action is taken.  
   The problem is within the race culture itself. The leftist politicians have made the black race think they are, and will always be the victims.  When a black man dies while attacking police, the whole black community lowers themselves to the level of the criminal, and cries for "justice" for the criminal.  Most other races have a more level headed approach and see the criminal who fought or attacked police as just a criminal, rather than playing the race card.
  
  Then politicians and leftist extremist come up with catchy phrases, such as "UNARMED BLACK MAN.", but when you look at the actual cases individually a little deeper.... you'll find the label 'UNARMED" does not always mean they did not pose a deadly threat.  80% of the UNARMED black men killed by police this year were actually actively attacking the police quite violently.  
  You'll find maybe 2 truly unjustified deaths per year, out of a population of 330 million.


   Then they try to throw statistics at you, and they stop evaluating statistics when they find the one they want.
  Even though more whites are killed by police interaction than blacks, they'll then throw out a justification of "well, blacks only make up 24% of the population", so they say blacks are more likely to die at the hands of police than whites, based on the make up of the overall population.  They stop there.... without evaluating one of the most important data points..... that approx 50% of ALL violent crime (murder,rape,robbery,assault) is committed by 1.4% of the overall population, being black males age 18-35.    1.4% of the population is responsible for half of all violent crime, and of course, would have a much greater probability of dealing with the police than the average citizens.
    Take Mr Floyd for example. A violent career criminal in and out of jail for 2 decades. Arrested at least 10 times. He went from having a 100% successful arrest outcome, to now only having a 90% successful arrest outcome.   Don't you think he's rolling the dice every time he commits a crime?  One of these times, he's bound to find a cop that'll do something wrong.  He's increased his odds by constantly creating the police interaction.  The police didnt go looking for him, the were called to investigate him for a crime.

   But the political powers that be, want you to look at a particular talking point, and not the big picture. Also a great distraction from other political issues going on at the same time.  Has anyone in the media even mentioned that Hillary Clinton lost and appeal and has to testify regarding Obama-era corruption?   Nope, nothing to see her folks.... look at the 0.0000002 % thing over there.
84  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do Black lives matter or Do all lives matter? on: June 11, 2020, 04:14:17 AM
Acknowledge what "WE" did ?   Who exactly is WE?   I didn't have any slaves, and no one in this lifetime was a slave.
   Pay reparations to who?   Absolutely no one alive today, born and raised in the US was ever a slave.

And with who's money?   Tax money (my money)?   I'll be god damned in I'm paying a cent for something I didn't do to people who weren't affected. 


It's history.  It was history worldwide and commonly accepted.  The US acted before most of the globe did to do the right thing. Get over it

If you feel that way, that's great.   Make sure you don't feel proud of the past accomplishments of your country or family if you weren't around to help.  Tongue

"United States" - ironic name. 

There's a difference between pride and perpetual victimhood. 

If my great great grandfather was killed by your great great grandfather, should you be liable in my civil suit?
Where does it end?

I'll worry about black slavery, as soon as they have the same concerns over Irish and Chinese slavery.
85  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do Black lives matter or Do all lives matter? on: June 11, 2020, 03:01:49 AM
The world is waking up to the injustice of blacks in America, but we are only going to solve racial problems by considering all races equal.

Which is more racist?   A white person saying nigger or a black person claiming only they can use that word.  Either the word is taboo, or it can be equally used by anyone.

Let's acknowledge what we did, apologize, pay reparations - but I feel we should become one single human race before we colonize other worlds.

The word slave literally came from the fact that the Slavic people were enslaved. Of course that doesn't fit with the narrative that America invented slavery and only black people were ever slaves.

I heard the term slave used many times in "The Ten Commandments".  Are you saying that movie is not true?   Tongue

Acknowledge what "WE" did ?   Who exactly is WE?   I didn't have any slaves, and no one in this lifetime was a slave.
   Pay reparations to who?   Absolutely no one alive today, born and raised in the US was ever a slave.

And with who's money?   Tax money (my money)?   I'll be god damned in I'm paying a cent for something I didn't do to people who weren't affected. 


It's history.  It was history worldwide and commonly accepted.  The US acted before most of the globe did to do the right thing. Get over it
86  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: June 10, 2020, 07:46:19 PM

So you never heard of innocent until proven guilty? Too many cop-Hitlers play the part of Judge Dredd.

I'm not saying your job is easy. In fact, it is hard. Take what appears to be a criminal down when he is doing wrong, yet don't hurt him, because your Judge-Dredd mentality might be wrong, and you'd be harming an innocent man.

Get him to court where he can let the jury decide. That's the law of the land, though most people don't know how to enforce it.

Cool

Doesn't change my original statement regarding the difference in arrests depicted in the meme.

Exactly what I'm talking about.

It's apparent from your post that you think that I have your password. If I were in a position where you could reach me, you'd probably Judge Dredd me right on the spot, rather than try to show how I damaged you in court.

Cool

If you say so.    That little world inside your brain must be an amazing thing to see.

Sounds like the authority of being law enforcement gives you a big power trip, even when you're off the job.

Cool

Not in the least.  I'm probably the most reasonable guy you'll ever meet.

But I don't really like to waste too much of my time debating with people like you.  I can explain truth's til I'm blue in the face, and you'll come back with some common-man nonsense you read somewhere on the internet.

And that's a real shame, because if anyone believes the nonsense you spew, they're at risk of being injured. They will think they can debate with a cop on the side of the road, "you can't do that !" "You can't arrest me"......  and we've all seen how that turns out. 

87  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: June 10, 2020, 07:14:37 PM

So you never heard of innocent until proven guilty? Too many cop-Hitlers play the part of Judge Dredd.

I'm not saying your job is easy. In fact, it is hard. Take what appears to be a criminal down when he is doing wrong, yet don't hurt him, because your Judge-Dredd mentality might be wrong, and you'd be harming an innocent man.

Get him to court where he can let the jury decide. That's the law of the land, though most people don't know how to enforce it.

Cool

Doesn't change my original statement regarding the difference in arrests depicted in the meme.

Exactly what I'm talking about.

It's apparent from your post that you think that I have your password. If I were in a position where you could reach me, you'd probably Judge Dredd me right on the spot, rather than try to show how I damaged you in court.

Cool

If you say so.    That little world inside your brain must be an amazing thing to see.
88  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: June 10, 2020, 06:39:22 PM
This is a prime example of what's wrong with society.  Half of our population forms their opinion based on a meme.

The real difference here is one person, under the influence of drugs, FOUGHT WITH the police. Police are allowed to use enough force to overcome the force used by the person resisting them. These cops failed to recognize positional asphyxiation while dealing with excited delirium.

The other person surrendered, offered no resistance, and did not fight with the 5 cops who had their guns drawn.

Yeah, but you are LITERALLY HITLER, so we don't have to listen to you.

Oh, please give the guy a break. He's all mixed up about the place where his policy authority ends, and the authority of a man begins. If he realized that he was a man, and that policy was just his job - or act - he might learn a little respect for real people.

Cool

Hey, even Hitler had two eyes, and can easily see the two circumstances in the meme are completely different, based on the criminal's actions, not skin color.

So you never heard of innocent until proven guilty? Too many cop-Hitlers play the part of Judge Dredd.

I'm not saying your job is easy. In fact, it is hard. Take what appears to be a criminal down when he is doing wrong, yet don't hurt him, because your Judge-Dredd mentality might be wrong, and you'd be harming an innocent man.

Get him to court where he can let the jury decide. That's the law of the land, though most people don't know how to enforce it.

Cool

Doesn't change my original statement regarding the difference in arrests depicted in the meme.
89  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: June 10, 2020, 06:06:49 PM
This is a prime example of what's wrong with society.  Half of our population forms their opinion based on a meme.

The real difference here is one person, under the influence of drugs, FOUGHT WITH the police. Police are allowed to use enough force to overcome the force used by the person resisting them. These cops failed to recognize positional asphyxiation while dealing with excited delirium.

The other person surrendered, offered no resistance, and did not fight with the 5 cops who had their guns drawn.

Yeah, but you are LITERALLY HITLER, so we don't have to listen to you.

Oh, please give the guy a break. He's all mixed up about the place where his policy authority ends, and the authority of a man begins. If he realized that he was a man, and that policy was just his job - or act - he might learn a little respect for real people.

Cool

Hey, even Hitler had two eyes, and can easily see the two circumstances in the meme are completely different, based on the criminal's actions, not skin color.
90  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you're trying to breathe, you're resisting arrest, cardiac arrest that is! on: June 10, 2020, 09:51:52 AM
I find this to be quite sensible. However, my question to you is, do you really think Floyd needed a knee to the neck for 8 minutes after falling to the ground while handcuffed? Was he really fighting the cops at that point?

 NO.  When the fight stops, the force stops. But you always need to be ready to re-engage. As they often start fighting again after a break.

But you don't know if that knee applied downward pressure, or was just there as a reminder to Floyd that he shouldn't try to get up.

With excited delirium, the rule is 'contain and restrain' til EMS arrives and can sedate.

I highly doubt Floyd "fell to the ground while handcuffed."  More likely that he fought and resisted until the cops took him to the ground. Taking a combative criminal to the ground is standard control techniques. Once on the ground, they needed to control him til EMS arrived.  But they failed by keeping him on his belly. That's a big no-no due to positional asphyxiation. The knee looks bad, but I'm still putting my money on a different cop as the real killer.  The cop that was on his back, preventing rise and fall of the chest cavity, making breathing increasingly difficult as time progressed, until respiratory arrest set in.  
   Knee-in-neck cop had probably done that same thing a dozen times before without issue.  And I'd be willing to bet he seemed so dis-interested in Floyd's comments, because he felt he wasn't applying any pressure, and didn't know the cop to his right, on Floyd's back, was killing him.  (Just a theory)
91  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do Black lives matter or Do all lives matter? on: June 10, 2020, 09:36:55 AM
Both. Equally. 

But the problem I have is BLM was built on a lie, and still perpetuates lies. And is now nothing more than a Political tool for the left around election time. 

I actually believe it is more racist of those calling everyone racist, to believe ANY minority cannot make it on their own without your extremist liberal help.   Look how well that worked out for the residents of Minneapolis.

The laws of the US guarantee equal opportunity, not equal outcome.  Outcomes require effort. And don't go screaming 'but they're poor' to me. Take a look at some fine trailer parks in WV or TN and you'll see the same outcome from white folks.

It's not race causing these issues.


And I'm Irish, so I know a little about my ancestors being enslaved.
92  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you're trying to breathe, you're resisting arrest, cardiac arrest that is! on: June 10, 2020, 07:04:09 AM

Anyway, I am curious as to how often people under arrest falsely claim to be unable to breathe. 


Quite often.  Usually when they're on drugs and fighting. My department had another one just yesterday. But the four officers properly controlled him, kept him upright, and detained against a guardrail til EMS got there to Ketamine the guy. 
   The hospital called a few hours later and to quote the work email, the doctor said “had they pinned him down on his stomach, he could have easily fought till he coded”.

The other one we see a lot is the phantom "chest pains" when they don't want to go to jail. False 99% of the time based on my 2 decades of experience. But, we still have a duty to render aid, so EMS gets called out.
Appearently an ambulance was called. If the cries for help is an everyday occurrence, if the other officers were not in a position to see how Chauvin's knee was placed, it may not be reasonable to hold them accountable, depending on the specific procedures of their department, and considering they were still in training. At the very least, I would reserve judgment until the trial. 

Or, another point to consider.  Chauvin's knee at the neck might not have been the 'aha' moment everyone thinks it was.  I'd be willing to make a small wager that the officer on Floyd's back was the real trigger for positional asphyxiation.
93  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you're trying to breathe, you're resisting arrest, cardiac arrest that is! on: June 10, 2020, 06:19:58 AM

Anyway, I am curious as to how often people under arrest falsely claim to be unable to breathe.  


Quite often.  Usually when they're on drugs and fighting. My department had another one just yesterday. But the four officers properly controlled him, kept him upright, and detained against a guardrail til EMS got there to Ketamine the guy.  
   The hospital called a few hours later and to quote the work email, the doctor said “had they pinned him down on his stomach, he could have easily fought till he coded”.

The other one we see a lot is the phantom "chest pains" when they don't want to go to jail. False 99% of the time based on my 2 decades of experience. But, we still have a duty to render aid, so EMS gets called out.
94  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you're trying to breathe, you're resisting arrest, cardiac arrest that is! on: June 10, 2020, 06:09:51 AM
That's the problem. Solutions need to be found in order to lessen the potential for things to go wrong so easily.

There are already 3 easy to follow solutions that everyone involved in this incident failed to follow:
1. cops failed to follow the rules taught for positional asphyxiation (sit em up, or put em on their side)
2  criminal failed to follow the Nancy Reagan rule, don't to drugs.
3 criminal failed to follow the rule of common sense, don't fight the cops.


Apparently the cops and criminals in Minneapolis are all too stupid to figure this out.
95  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: June 10, 2020, 04:40:32 AM
I am not black but I understand their pain and fear for their lives on how they are treated .



The man was killed because of such a simple crime and there was no hard evidence for the crime while the other criminal who murder 9 people was arrested peacefully?

But I also agree that some are using this as excuse to loot on others and I also doesn't get the point of it.

This is a prime example of what's wrong with society.  Half of our population forms their opinion based on a meme.

The real difference here is one person, under the influence of drugs, FOUGHT WITH the police. Police are allowed to use enough force to overcome the force used by the person resisting them. These cops failed to recognize positional asphyxiation while dealing with excited delirium.

The other person surrendered, offered no resistance, and did not fight with the 5 cops who had their guns drawn.

96  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you're trying to breathe, you're resisting arrest, cardiac arrest that is! on: June 10, 2020, 04:28:17 AM
Do yourselves a favor and look up the term - excited delirium.
Then look up another one - positional asphyxiation.

Put the two together and you'll see what cops face every day.
  
Then find the Minneapolis PD policy on use of force.  You'll see that the neck restraint is still an approved tactic. It finally got pulled after this incident (20 years behind most other departments)

Now, with the three things above, you should be able to deduce that :
People in Floyd's condition can fight right up until they code. They have amazing strength while under the influence. Tasers are often ineffective in this scenario. Suggested procedure for excited delirium is contain and restrain until EMS arrives. The antiquated neck restraint policy suggests MPD officers have been using it for a long time without issue.  (Most other departments have removed that policy for the very reason it's in the spotlight today). The officers on scene failed to consider positional asphyxiation.  They kept Floyd face down. The inability to breath wasn't due to the officer at the neck, it was due to the officer on his back restricting the expansion of Floyd's chest.

This was the perfect storm of drugs, criminal, resisting arrest, bad Department policy, and oblivious cops.


Then, if you are ready for even more education, go to the Black Lives Matter website.  Click on the donate button.  You'll be redirected to ActBlue who will accept your donation. Then take a look at where ActBlue sends the money. ( a simple google search reveals everything).

This isn't about race guys. Police departments around the world deal with excited delirium every day. This one went wrong, as they can easily do.

It's all politics. There's an election to influence.
97  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: T17/S17 malfunction: cases, solutions, remedies, RMA history on: May 23, 2020, 12:01:14 PM
I responded to customer service email, advising that I was not concerned with speed of repair/replacement, and asked if I could delay the return until CA is re-opened. Received a response that we could do just that, file a temporary repair ticket for CA, and update/renew as needed until CA reopened.

My business aspect is unique, in that this miner was bought almost completely with previous credit. I spent less than $200 total, including shipping and tariff.   Plan was to bring in an almost free 70th unit, and sell the 50th unit, effectively getting paid to swap out and increase by 20th.   But not doing that til I get a good unit.
  
So I unplug this thing on Wednesday to not waste power. Spend 2 days of emailing, and figure out I'm in a holding pattern.  I plugged it back in Friday to fiddle with it again, and its running perfectly again with no errors almost 24hrs now.   That tells me theres nothing wrong on my end network wise, if the errors come and go randomly.
98  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: T17/S17 malfunction: cases, solutions, remedies, RMA history on: May 22, 2020, 09:32:04 AM
Well,  ran flawlessly since the above post.... 9 days.  Then the whole thing dropped out today.  That reg crc error returned, and the failure to read temp sensor error came back too.

Looking to figure out the return process this week.

Contacted Bitmain customer service and created a repair ticket to claim DOA since I'm still within my 30day window. But CA repair facility is closed due to CoronaVirus govt lockdown. Customer service asked me to ship it to the HONG KONG location. I responded asking for alternatives, as my shipping to CA is ~ $100, and to Hong Kong is ~$400-500. I'd rather wait for CA to reopen, than spend 4-5x shipping cost.
99  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: T17/S17 malfunction: cases, solutions, remedies, RMA history on: May 19, 2020, 11:43:35 PM
Thanks so much for your help and sharing of knowledge.

Log looks good so far...

Well,  ran flawlessly since the above post.... 9 days.  Then the whole thing dropped out today.  That reg crc error returned, and the failure to read temp sensor error came back too.

Looking to figure out the return process this week.
100  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Back after a long delay - curious why mine vs. just buy in 2020? on: May 12, 2020, 05:02:41 AM
And that's your answer right there. Power cost is the largest factor in whether you can mine or not.  At .24, that's a hard no. Don't even waste the time thinking about it at that locations rate.

Still want to mine? The you have to consider a different location for power costs.

But for me, when I broke out the calculator, I determined that in my situation, I could collect coin at a price point of $4400. (8800 post halving)
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