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261  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Starfish BCB - Loans and Deposits on: August 17, 2012, 09:39:30 PM
I think both of you know what was going on - yes to was a 1% account, yes I carry reserves, no it wasn't a passthrough.

In other news, I am still working through the 17 messages received overnight - I will have the withdrawals done shortly.
262  Economy / Securities / Re: Projected Dividends for PPT.DIV shares on: August 17, 2012, 09:20:31 PM
I am aiming to provide as much information as soon as practical as there are obviously people with a strong interest in this (not the least myself as I hold around 1/3 of the PPT.DIV shares).

I have 246.6BTC reserved for the dividend on Monday and I believe that should still get paid as the current buy-back will be occurring at UTC00:00 as planned.

Beyond that, the drop in interest rate to zero is going to severely hinder profits.  My initial calculation is that there will be one more dividend totalling approximately 90BTC.

After that - kaput.
263  Economy / Securities / Re: Kraken Fund on: August 17, 2012, 09:03:30 PM
With BS&T developments in the last few hours, I'm going to unlock this thread.  If it gets filled with insults, wild accusations and other bullshit, I'll lock it again.
264  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] Pirate Pass Through Bonds! on: August 17, 2012, 08:59:35 PM
I will be following the contract, and I have not worked out how much this will cost me yet.

(and obviously today's sale is off.)

Contract
In the event that BS&T stops payments and returns the principal and interest to date or changes its terms and conditions so that the intended pass through of interest is either stopped, pays lower interest or at a schedule that does not align with the PPT bonds the bonds will still be redeemed for their full face value on their scheduled redemption date.  PPT and the above mentioned backers will cover any shortfalls from the capital reserves of PPT.
265  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Who Pays What? on: August 17, 2012, 08:38:08 PM
Did Madoff or the like reduce interest rates at any point?

Don't know, nor particularly do I care.  In the local finance market it wasn't the collapse of companies that was worst, it was the simple lack of diversity of investments.  Retired people by their hundreds and thousands put 100% of their money into just one thing.  When they went pop - their retirement was ruined.

The point about interest rates is not one of a normal business or inflationary cycle, but one of moving from an accelerated economy to one that behaves more efficiently.
266  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Seeking short-medium term "bank" willing to do this on: August 17, 2012, 08:31:50 PM
A lot of bitcoins go that direction.
267  Economy / Securities / Re: Kraken Fund on: August 17, 2012, 08:11:02 AM
Two updates:

1st: with 14 registered participants, I'll be limiting this fund to a maximum of 25 and closing it at the end of the month because there is some manual processing that goes with the weekly payments.
2nd: If there is sufficient demand, I will consider a kraken#2, but with a 2% weekly max rather than 2.5%.
268  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Seeking short-medium term "bank" willing to do this on: August 17, 2012, 07:18:16 AM
paid

65f8df0d52e5c5fcf07b82f74292798d367330c4590bb7f6fbd24948219f0706
269  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Seeking short-medium term "bank" willing to do this on: August 17, 2012, 07:14:00 AM
Imsaguy,

So close! To the retaining wall even!!!! Patrick says ''unfair advantage - you have posted stuff to our house''. Was going to give you another tip but - no...

Sorry,

Wendy
Wife of Starfish since 1986

I didn't make the contest rules.  I'll let him buy me out of this contest for .75 btc.

no chance - get the right link and don't be lazy

Wendy says post the link
270  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Seeking short-medium term "bank" willing to do this on: August 17, 2012, 07:07:24 AM
This is what happens on a Friday night - it's costing me money - remember to post a receiving address.
271  Economy / Lending / Re: Anyone feel like lending me 120 BTC ? on: August 17, 2012, 06:27:52 AM
Well, if you need the coins, they will be orange - let me know.
272  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Starfish BCB - Loans and Deposits on: August 17, 2012, 05:57:09 AM
What does the asterisk mean?
What is a "different kind of account"?

I have a couple of "high-risk" accounts.
273  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Who Pays What? on: August 17, 2012, 05:56:19 AM
The bulk of the OP contents will be reinstated later today.  This has been a useful exercise demonstrating the bias of particular people against those actively working to improve the Bitcoin economy.

The OP will be restructured and include the following features:

  • Only those with business models that are apparent or have been disclosed will be listed.
  • To be listed, issuers will need to submit and agree to publication of their financial metrics (the credit rating system).

Patrick - would you care to get into details about why you pulled the OP in the first place? You've been rather coy about your reasoning so far. For instance you at first said you removed it "in protest." In protest of WHAT exactly? I'm not getting your message, if you intended one.

That said, I think it's a great idea for us as depositors/lenders to demand more disclosure from those seeking to borrow such large sums of money. I welcome the changes you're implementing in the WPW listing and thank you for using the solid rep that you've earned to set a better example for the community.

Basically there are some people that put a huge amount of effort into bitcoin.  The WPW thread and the work that goes on behind the scenes is one of those, and the tide of people accusing everyone in the lending scene is to a significant detriment to the forum and bitcoin as a whole.  The Starfish deposits system is around break-even and probably gets subsidised from the dividends and mining I do, but I consider it important to have space open for people wanting to park a few coins with low risk.  As for my own situation, personally, the idea of running away with $1M is silly - it's really not enough and I have other objectives.  (I think I'm close to that in my local currency, whatever 60k coins is - and I am well past the point where I have recovered all of my seed money).

I have noticed there are some accounts where the sole purpose is to cry "ponzi" and scam for months and sometime years on end (ages before Micon joined the party late).  This week I have been accused of being a scammer, "shit", a criminal and someone that deserved to be put in jail.  I get off lightly, but others are labelled shills, pirate prostitutes and many other things without proof.  (I still have the pm where I was offered 100BTC for a referral that I turned down.)

Maged, the moderator for this part of the forum, might be justifiably concerned about the impact of BS&T but has landed quite heavily on one side of the debate and this comes through in the treatment of those working to provide a range of services.  I have previously pointed out some basic ID details for him, and others late to the witch-hunt (and I am reminded on Joel's beautiful comment yesterday that is pure "group think" - "don't think outside the box") have not bothered to do their basic homework.  I was, however, pleased to note a quite rational post from Micon so obviously he is learning some stuff about bitcoin along the way.

There are some schemes where I have inside knowledge, provided on a confidential basis.  I also hold information on many users, also provided confidentially.  Myself, if you don't know who I am down the the colour of my house/car/cat you're not even trying (actually the cat could be tricky).  I am not going to "spill the beans", as my approach is more subtle.  That includes BS&T as I know (and have had confirmed) the mechanics that allow such fantastic returns and could implement it on a smaller scale, but there are actually better returns if you know how. 

Months ago I signalled to several people that the interest rates in this economy would fall.  Pirate has done exactly what many other have done and has begun his process, but he's certainly not the first to do that.  They will fall further, as will the rates Starfish and all other legitimate providers.  Bitcoin is a great example of an accelerated economic history, and a great textbook example to learn from.  As such, it is quite interesting working within an economics consultancy where I can discuss the evolving concepts in months rather than years/decades.  As such, I'll have a lot more work to do on this thread over the next year.

So for the detractors: I hope you do not get your wish in killing bitcoin, and I am pleased to provide and protect the intent behind PPT.x and a range of other things you consider criminal.
For the hundreds of people I deal with: I have two weeks away from my day job to work on my website, otherwise, you know how to contact me.
274  Economy / Lending / Re: Anyone feel like lending me 120 BTC ? on: August 17, 2012, 05:26:05 AM
I could send you some, but you might have to wait 181 minutes.  pm if interested
275  Economy / Lending / Re: Why do people borrow bitcoins? on: August 17, 2012, 03:40:19 AM
Maybe they think the price will go down?

Maybe they don''t want to incur a $5 cash advance fee for a $1 payment?

Maybe they can't get credit anywhere else?

I have asked and advised borrowers in the past to choose alternative methods as pretty much anything else would be cheaper.
276  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] Kraken Pass-Through on: August 17, 2012, 03:26:13 AM
Did you ask Patrick if this was ok ?

Yes he did.  It wasn't within my current plan, and about 30 minutes before he contacted me I had I wondered how long it might be before someone did a pass through.  Thus I found it quite funny when his pm popped up.  I wish him well.
277  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] Pirate Pass Through Bonds! on: August 16, 2012, 10:14:49 PM
An interesting week, and with the changes occurring across the PPT landscape, the PPT.x series is no exception.

3000 "bonds" to be sold tomorrow https://glbse.com/asset/view/PPT.C

NOTICE - change in pricing

To reflect the new top tier interest rate, the floor price is set at 1.0BTC and the payment will be 1.20 being four times 5%.
278  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Starfish BCB - Loans and Deposits on: August 16, 2012, 10:08:43 PM
Balance table updated https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=61262.msg981017#msg981017

Transactions (deposits/withdrawals) in the last week: 42 (13 withdrawals, 28 deposits).
Deposits (1% accounts) 16,794BTC
279  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Who Pays What? on: August 16, 2012, 08:50:05 PM
The bulk of the OP contents will be reinstated later today.  This has been a useful exercise demonstrating the bias of particular people against those actively working to improve the Bitcoin economy.

The OP will be restructured and include the following features:

  • Only those with business models that are apparent or have been disclosed will be listed.
  • To be listed, issuers will need to submit and agree to publication of their financial metrics (the credit rating system).



280  Economy / Securities / Re: Projected Dividends for PPT.DIV shares on: August 16, 2012, 07:19:09 AM
Thank you for the views expressed - 1.00 and 1.20 seem to be the preferred numbers (and makes things clear).

I will hold off another day before confirming.
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