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1  Economy / Gambling / Re: FortuneJack has a problem in Dice game on: October 11, 2019, 01:25:06 PM
yeah, i'm a simple guy.

I'll settle for 0.02btc

then we can let bygone be bygones


FJ username: cryptobet



just for the record. i was first person to settle.

As posted by you earlier your total dice wagered was 500 btc
With the formula posted by FJ, your airdrop would be 0.0495 btc

you can tip the rest to my btc address  Cheesy
2  Economy / Gambling / Re: FortuneJack has a problem in Dice game on: September 29, 2019, 10:23:13 AM
Maybe they can, i think it will be asking too much from them. There may be players who played and left and no longer play on the sites. This will be a huge amount of effort to calculate all the bets and figure out the correct amount.
My opinion is to leave the past but for the future, good thing is that no further players can be affected by it.

That's absurd. Maybe you should put some time reading what i wrote on my previous post. It wouldn't be that hard to calculate the effected rolls and players
Though less than half of the refund money will ever be withdrawn
3  Economy / Gambling / Re: FortuneJack has a problem in Dice game on: September 28, 2019, 07:07:21 PM
I suppose we should also credit FJ for fixing this!

Not really. They should be credited when they reimburse the players.


It's pretty nuts that nobody noticed this even though it was a persistent issue for years. I'm curious to see how much extra Fortunejack made from this and what they will do to reimburse the effected players. Given that this issue dates back years it will be extremely difficult to even figure out who was effected and to what degree, but given this level of error they should really spend some time to get this right.

Exactly. And i don't think it would take more than few hours to figure out which roll numbers were incorrectly treated as loss
They just need to loop through all the bets and check whether the side is Roll Over and Game === roll number.

Since there are 11.2 Billion rolls history. The amount of incorrectly treated rolls would be somewhere 448K considering 40% of the rolls were "Roll over"
Though i would love to hear some stats from your side


I was also given a bug bounty when i asked for it.
So i guess the case is closed. I will still keep it open for any further discussions and questions
That is actually such a nice thing to do by fortunejack with the bug bounty deed.

I wasn't offered any bug bounty when the issue was resolved. I had to ask for it. So they offered 0.02 btc for years long bug
Had to complain about the amount offered for such huge bug, so they offered 0.1 btc which i was to either accept or reject


I am sure this was not done deliberately and this bug has just been figured out. Obviously they cannot compensate the players for this but the good thing is that they have accepted it and will update it. Also the new bug bounty announced by fortune jack is yet another step towards transparency and good faith.

Whether it was done deliberately or overlooked, this is the subject we can only speculate about though the bug is really silly hence never found
Crediting the users back would be pretty darn easy. They would only need to credit about half a million rolls. Not a big deal for a dice game


Some high volume players could have been seriously adversely affected by this.

Has Fortunejack mentioned how they plan to reimburse anybody that has had their money stolen in this way?

I was about to ask this question to FJ when the issue was resolved but then i found few more bugs which showed signs of an exploit but ended up being just visual bugs and nothing serious


Naa ahhh , this gonna be a long journey for them to completely reimburse everyone who affected since this bug indicated was there since day one.

Wondering how much fortunejack pay op for this finding ....  Roll Eyes a long time ago I reported similar technical problems and received my bug rewards quite huge. At op case level it must be super huge rewards  Grin . PM me op if you wonder how much I've got. I'll tell you mine.

However sometimes if you didn't ask for the bounty rewards.. you'll be considered help them voluntarily which I hated that part unfortunately.

Not really that long. Just few hours to figure out the rolls effected and additional few hours to reimburse the effected players
And i got only 0.1 btc for the bug bounty. Would love to know how much you were awarded


For sites like Fortunejack there would really be a bounty bug for this one yet the level of technical problem is quite high so its expected to be high too.
If you arent caring too much on what did you find out then you would end up something like that same as you said.It is worthy to get up some rewards with
these finds arent that basic ones that a simple joe can find on.

Thought so. Didn't have much option at the end. I was supposed to either accept or reject an offer of 0.1 btc


4  Economy / Gambling / Re: FortuneJack has a problem in Dice game on: September 24, 2019, 04:22:56 PM
The error is resolved. Please check the main post for the update
5  Economy / Gambling / Re: FortuneJack has a problem in Dice game on: September 24, 2019, 05:08:07 AM
Do not be surprised. A lot of casinos even say Provably Fair when there is nothing you can do to check the fairness of their games.

A lot of people here do not even understand how the house edge works,,, which is why I only stick to a few games I trust when it comes to dice.

Now you make me curious though. Maybe it is that 0 is hard to see, especially I have never seen 0 in all the dice games I play but I play at 6 digit dice with 1 million possibilities so I will pay attention now!

Getting a specific number is hard if you look for it. In FJ it's 1 in 10000
But scripts make the work easier. Being a programmer has it's advantage
6  Economy / Gambling / Re: FortuneJack has a problem in Dice game on: September 24, 2019, 04:18:55 AM
I guess though when the error is in your favour, it's easier to overlook.  Tongue

Not sure how you did your maths but the off-by-one error concerned here benefits the House and not the player





New update. Please check the main post
7  Economy / Gambling / Re: FortuneJack has a problem in Dice game on: September 23, 2019, 04:31:40 PM
...If you bet 10 satoshi 9999 times (0 is not counted) on FJ, you are to lose 9990 times and win 9 times...

I was never good in math, please explain why on FJ when I bet 9999 times you assume that I will only win 9 times and lose the rest (9990)  Huh (is this just an example?)

Tried to understand but it seems to be wrong because when I have played on FJ the win rate seemed to hire, but TBH I never measured this properly, so don't know for sure.

From my experience only in 100 spins, I had 10 or even more wins, so how this correlates to this example above? I don't say is wrong only ask for explanation to understand it correctly, please.

The example shown is according to 990x payout. Main post has been updated to reflect this change but the calculation is correct
I simply assumed people would know that it's 990x payout since i mentioned that before


Same with the fee, why such a huge difference? Is this example correct? Anybody checked it?

OP don't get me wrong I don't say this is not correct but kindly ask for more explanation if possible.

The fee is correct. The higher your payout is the higher the fee you pay
For a 2x payout which most people do, it's 1.01%, for 10x it's 1.09% and the highest it can go is 10.891% for 990x
8  Economy / Gambling / Re: FortuneJack has a problem in Dice game on: September 23, 2019, 01:56:41 PM
Fortunejack has more problems than that , don't think too many players are using their dice anyways
the problem is with their wagering requirements on your deposit , you have to wager three times over to be able to withdraw and dice games are not counted towards the wagered
so if I were to play dice only I would simply not be able to withdraw

I can't confirm it since I don't play there anymore  , but this is an interesting find
effectively giving fortunejack extra  edge and misinforming players for years



I guess they arent forcing anyone to take advantage of their welcome deposit bonus, are they? ... Actually, people have "problems" regarding their welcome bonuses in online casinos all the time due to wagering requirements etc. --> people should not claim any bonuses if they want to be able to withdraw without having to worry.

What if the user simply wanted to play dice by depositing funds and not claiming any bonus ? They should be allowed to withdraw
9  Economy / Gambling / Re: FortuneJack has a problem in Dice game on: September 23, 2019, 01:50:23 PM
if I were to play dice only I would simply not be able to withdraw

Is it true @FortuneJack ?

effectively giving fortunejack extra  edge and misinforming players for years

It is indeed. The edge goes as high as 10.891% from their highest multiplier 990x
10  Economy / Gambling / FortuneJack has a problem in Dice game on: September 23, 2019, 11:43:56 AM
Edit 5: Final update

The issue was recognized by the Fortunejack yesterday. Today around 11:45 UTC a new update was pushed
Hence the off-by-one error resolved.
Screenshot of the confirmation: https://imgur.com/a/mgH5Pzo
I checked the roll numbers and everything looks perfect.

I was also given a bug bounty when i asked for it.
So i guess the case is closed. I will still keep it open for any further discussions and questions





So i was checking out the payout numbers in the Dice game of FortuneJack. I spotted something wrong

Normally in a dice rolls you have numbers between 0 to 99.99 resulting in a total of 10000 numbers.
But Fortunejack seems to be invalidating roll 00.00 making it only 9999 numbers. Even the FAQ section of their dice says "The roll numbers between 0 and 99.99 ..."

So i am going to take example of Primedice here

For a 2x payout

In primedice, we have Roll under 49.50 (0 to 49.49 giving 4950 numbers) and Roll over 50.49 (50.50 to 99.99 giving 4950 numbers)
In fortunejack, we have Roll under 49.50 (00.01 to 49.49 giving 4949 number) and Roll over 50.50 (50.51 to 99.99 giving 4949 numbers)

For a 990x payout

In primedice, we have Roll under 0.10 (0 to 0.09 giving 10 numbers) and Roll over 99.89 (99.90 to 99.99 giving 10 numbers)
In fortunejack, we have Roll under 0.10 (00.01 to 0.09 giving 9 numbers) and Roll over 99.90 (99.91 to 99.99 giving 9 numbers)

Fortunejack calls it 0.1% win chance but technically it's 0.09%


FortuneJack

If you bet 10 satoshi 9999 times (0 is not counted) at 990x payout on FJ, you are to lose 9990 times and win 9 times.
Total bet amount = 10 * 9999 = 99990 satoshi
Total Win amount = 9 * 9900 = 89100 satoshi
Total lose amount = 99990 - 89100 = 10890 satoshi

Total fee = 10890/99990 = 10.89 %

PrimeDice

If you bet 10 satoshi 10000 times at 990x payout on PD, you are to lose 9990 times and win 10 times
Total bet amount = 10 * 10000 = 100000 satoshi
Total win amount = 10 * 9900 = 99000 satoshi
Total lose amount = 100000 - 99000 = 1000 satoshi

Total fee = 1000/100000 = 1 %


I even asked FortuneJack about this issue this was their reply : https://imgur.com/a/W9Qwz9I



Edit : For a 10x payout the fee goes to 1.09% while they promise a house edge of 1%



Edit2 : It looks like they have had this problem since they started : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slh4k8yM11o



Edit3: This is a 4 years old video on youtube which concerns this issue : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwtLPWjVxYI
The guy is using 6x payout for Roll over 83.50 But it should actually be 83.49



Edit4: Update

It looks like their support guy wasn't looking very hard. Here are they apologizing about miscommunication : https://imgur.com/a/NAqLzrr
So 0 is counted. Of course i didn't just believe it but verified myself by running a script in the All bets page.

Now that we have 10000 possible numbers instead of 9999, We got a different problem
Fortunejack dice gives different Win chance for Roll under and Roll over.

For a 2x payout
In fortunejack, we have Roll under 49.50 (00.00 to 49.49 giving 4950 number) and Roll over 50.50 (50.51 to 99.99 giving 4949 numbers)

For a 990x payout
In fortunejack, we have Roll under 0.10 (00.00 to 0.09 giving 10 numbers) and Roll over 99.90 (99.91 to 99.99 giving 9 numbers)

So if i were to bet on FJ Dice, i would have a correct winning chance for Roll under but incorrect winning chance if i decided to go with Roll over
Not to mention the outrageous fee of up to 10.891% for Roll over

Here i am mentioning the concern : https://imgur.com/a/7xaFPtS
The issue is now under Investigation : https://imgur.com/a/rllgfZq

What boggles me is nobody care to notice this issue. FJ benefited from it for all these years and the users were mislead by an incorrect information.
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