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1  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TORWallet - Scammer on: January 06, 2013, 11:39:47 PM
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2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will China ever ban email? on: January 06, 2013, 10:59:52 PM

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Hi there, payb.tc.

How are things going with Your Pirate Pass Through Scam?

Oh? You've stopped responding to your scam thread and changed your handle?

How much money did you steal? How much money do you owe? What do you know about pirate?
3  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer tag: PatrickHarnett on: January 06, 2013, 10:45:43 PM
Truly, I'm puzzled by Joel's defense of Mr. Starfish, especially after Patrick's default and disappearance. I can think of few scammers in this cesspool who are more blatant and deserve less sympathy than Patrick.
4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Formalised Bitcoin Protocol Standard on: January 06, 2013, 10:01:44 PM
  • You can write a spec, but you can't guarantee it actually matches the behaviour of the majority implementation.

Sorry but it sounds like "We can't tell what the program does really."

Yup. Without a spec and conforming code, you're not doing software engineering. You're just a code monkey wielding a roll of duct tape.

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I think the specification would be desirable here, otherwise it's like fixing a running car really.
If later some case is found that the reference client disagrees with the specification:
* Bug in the specification? - Fix the specification.
* Bug in the reference client? - Fix the reference client, or if not possible to fix now and hardfork is needed, then write a note in the specification.
Maybe there are more important matters to look at now but this looks inevitable one day ...

Agreed. No good reason not to do this.
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / . on: September 21, 2012, 04:13:38 PM
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6  Economy / Securities / Re: New Asset idea, Cambodian rice sharecropping (2% to 5% a year) Feedback wanted! on: September 21, 2012, 03:19:17 PM
This is too fucking much.

Goat, you've made it clear that you're a sad little fuck, but you've gone above and beyond with this sharecropping idea.

Let's take a look at sharecropping in the US: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharecropping#United_States

This is indentured servitude, just one small step away from slavery.

Fuck you. Get the fuck out of here; you are a sack of shit.

Thanks for the link but I am talking about Cambodia not the USA. I have people who want to farm this land because they will make more than working in the Nike factory down the road... Should I tell them sorry I wont let you farm it after all cuz some guy on the internet said you were like slaves? Free market...

Indentured servitude in the name of the "free market" as a way for people to save themselves from other rapacious exploiters. It matters little what country it is. I suspect that you think this scheme would be easier to pull off in a place like Cambodia than the US or Europe precisely because they're currently more desperate. You're right about that.

I've never said or written this to anyone before: you are fucking scum.
7  Economy / Securities / Re: New Asset idea, Cambodian rice sharecropping (2% to 5% a year) Feedback wanted! on: September 21, 2012, 02:59:43 PM
This is too fucking much.

Goat, you've made it clear that you're a sad little fuck, but you've gone above and beyond with this sharecropping idea.

Let's take a look at sharecropping in the US: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharecropping#United_States

This is indentured servitude, just one small step away from slavery.

Fuck you. Get the fuck out of here; you are a sack of shit.
8  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BurtW [SCAMMER TAG] on: September 20, 2012, 11:54:51 PM
Why wouldn't this apply equally to everyone who deposited money with Pirate? If we can assume that every reasonable person must have known it was a scam, then everyone who deposited money with Pirate was paying Pirate to steal money from others and give it to them.

Yes, all are responsible, but to different degrees. I make a distinction between individual, small-time fools and bigger insiders who make a huge effort to appear legitimate and use other fools' money to greater effect. It stands to reason that those who command and employ greater resources to help perpetrate fraud are more responsible.

Ponzi schemes make people irrational. Scammers know how to exploit that. I want people to learn a lesson rather than punishing them for being human.

Part of being human means using common sense. They were just recklessly greedy. Making people realize they could lose more than what they put in would do a better job.
9  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BurtW [SCAMMER TAG] on: September 20, 2012, 10:44:28 PM
For what it's worth, I'm now personally convinced that BurtW was himself convinced that Pirate was not running a Ponzi scheme or similar scam. He's actually a good example of why I think most PPT operators deserve a "free pass" for the Pirate fiasco.


It is absurd to suggest that a reasonable person could accept that it was anything other than a scam. If a PPT operator didn't know, then they should have know and are negligent. This standard applies once you take an active role, as they did. Those who solicit money, fabricate credit ratings, promote or shill for the scam bear a greater share of culpability. A free pass would be a mockery of justice, if that matters at all.
10  Other / Meta / Re: A Public Plea for Civility on: September 20, 2012, 10:15:35 PM
Even we newbies, coming with press transported hopes and illusions can see, that this forum is an undemocratic, inbreeding chain - letter, where moderators, heromembers
are colluding to skin us off.
If this is a false impression, I appologize , but then tell me , how the highest authority is allowed to leave this post uncommented:

Theymos thinks that by ignoring criticism, that people here will forget or overlook his active roles in the scams.

This place is a sewer of scam artists and miscellaneous bottom feeders, including some of the admins.
11  Economy / Securities / Re: [ANN] [CRYPTOSTOCKS] Private loan pass-through (WIT), Dividend up to 1.2% daily on: September 20, 2012, 10:09:39 PM
But there are lots of investment opportunities around me which I have few resources to catch all of them.

Going by what I've seen here, I have no doubt about that.
12  Other / Off-topic / Re: Vlad "plots" aginst best freind scammer Matthew N. Wright on: September 17, 2012, 07:32:03 PM

Oh I am in trouble? Are you going to spank me or just call me names like the rest? 

Well whatever gets you off buddy...

This is your wake-up call.

You are closely involved with an international ring of financial fraudsters which has stolen millions of dollars in an exotic "untraceable" digital currency and may be actively working to launder the stolen funds via gpumax. You are offering "securities," denominated in this exotic currency, without a license, on a bogus, unregulated market. Generally, this combination of novelty and profile (despite the relatively low amouts of money involved) gets the attention of prosecutors. Your identity is either known or easily obtained.

If you aren't a complete imbecile, you should at the very least be concerned.
13  Other / Off-topic / Re: Vlad "plots" aginst best freind scammer Matthew N. Wright on: September 17, 2012, 02:28:20 PM
BurtW is probably the worst ponzi-sucking scum around here, but he just powers through. Goat is definitely another bottom-feeder, but what makes him special is that he's trying to look respectable. Not very successfully, obviously.

Goat, you should just STFU. You're in enough trouble already.
14  Other / Meta / Re: [Feature added] Color besides usernames for Ignored by % of established members. on: September 17, 2012, 12:48:21 PM
The list reveals an interesting pattern of groups being ignored.

1) incoherent posters
2) relentless self-promoters
3) ponzi scheme/fraud whistleblowers

I noticed my button get much darker after posting about the scams and scam-enablers (including forum admins). This got much more obvious after I called out Theymos for his role in the matter and his admitted and knowing participation in Pirate's ponzi scheme. If scammer scumbags are using the ignore feature to label those who oppose their scheming, then I leave it to others to decide just how useful the feature is.
15  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Starfish BCB - Loans and Deposits on: September 12, 2012, 12:44:49 AM
It in no way can help the community when a new person comes to the forums and every thread that mentions prominant characters on the forum suddenly gets a response explaining how that person is scamming

I think it helps quite a bit. For one thing, it means that there are some honest people remaining.


Haven't read much of the thread. . .  Has the grown man who is a fan of children's TV shows and who rates every scam AAA+++ wound down his own investment program scam yet? 

Maybe it's the booze, but his latest posts seem to grant that some skullduggery occured (but the fault of someone else, of course). But he's holding fast! There has been some purging of records, too. A nice touch -- very Arthur Andersen.

Strangely, his wife has disappeared. A shame really. I do love me a good shillin' 4 times a day.
16  Economy / Lending / Re: BitcoinMax Account For Sale (2048 BTC) on: September 11, 2012, 11:22:29 PM
The account held "1600+ BTC" when you started the thread. You're including the compounding interest from the time this all fell apart?

If so, I'll drink to your sick sense of humor. It's as good a way as any to cope with $17k down the drain!  Grin
17  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: MATTHEW FIRED FROM BITCOIN MAGAZINE on: September 11, 2012, 01:19:54 PM
Looks like the thugs in charge have stomped their little jackboots. Nice job on trashing the only voice that your little magazine had that did any good for promoting itself. Matthew is a character. Always has been, and if played true to the cards he's showing, he always will be. Anyone who took this bet seriously is a prize ass, and deserving of public humiliation. Coming on the heels of Bitscalper, Bitcoinica and pirate, it was only fitting that somebody call attention to the absolute pathetic lemming-like devotion to believing pure bullshit that has become the hallmark of bitcoin.

Hey kids? There is no free lunch. You cannot sustain 7% weekly returns. There is no economic perpetual motion money making machine that pulls bitcoins out of your ass for your amusement. Matthew's big crime was poking fun at you about it. Oh me oh my, what a terrible scoundrel he is. You have pirate raping your entire family to the tune of $5 million dollars, and you want to jump on the shit of the guy who poked a finger in your eye? Lame. You have the bitcoinica incompetents pissing in your drink and still being kowtowed to because they are going to be keynote speakers at this joke of a conference in London.

Get a fucking clue Bitcoin Community!!! Right the fuck now. All of these slick snake oil salesmen who have just invented the newest greatest thing that you should invest in are talking to you for one single reason only- to steal your funds. There is no altruistic tooth fairy that wants to make you rich, they all just want to make themselves rich. And you are the laziest, saddest bunch of fuck-toys I have ever seen. Somebody just fleeced your ass out of 500,000 bitcoins and your anger is directed towards the guy mocking you about it.

Stop thinking that bitcoin is some wunderkind techno anarchy tool that is going to change the definition of money. It is a slightly interesting alternate way to transact a very, very limited subset of transactions pretty much limited to the technically savvy. Unfortunately, it seems as if one of the first things that happens when you download the block chain is that you put your common sense on hold.

Oh, and Bitcoin Magazine? I ordered copies of the first three issues 6 weeks ago. Bought and paid for with PayPal. Where the fuck are they? Maybe a little more attention to fulfillment and a little less ass-kissing to the the gods of public opinion. You are starting to act like a couple of other well known fuck-ups of recent note in that your attention is on your ego, and not on your business model. Quit playing games and do your jobs.

Please post often.
18  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Going after Trendon Shavers, Pirateat40, BTCST on: September 11, 2012, 12:59:43 PM
I don't trust any PPT operators.

Theymos (who admits knowledge of and engagement in fraud) and other forum admins (shills) also helped Pirate and PPT operators by facilitating their promotion and encouraging/stickying Patrick's bogus ratings.

best posts:

How about you do a big public apology first to all the people that warned you, but that you have been shouting down and insulting for over 6 months and more importantly,  to the people who trusted your judgement, but that you misled by pretending you knew more than you really did?

The same goes for the rest of the pirate promo team who are now all pretending to be only victims fighting for the righteous cause.

I'd strongly advise filing complaints with whatever information you already have and adding any extra information you have as it comes in.  The longer it takes before those who can access all sorts of information about Trendon Shavers which this community cannot start investigating, the more opportunity he has to muddy the trail.

I also believe that it if it was legitimate to ask Bitcoin Magazine to distance itself from Matthew, it is equally legitimate to ask the other members of GPUMax to distance themselves from Trendon and to make a public statement regarding his current role in relation to that entity and whether or not GPUMax itself had any exposure to BS&T (we know that they shared a wallet, but we have no idea to what extent the businesses may have crossed over in other ways).

I doubt very much that no-one closely associated with Trendon knew what he was doing.  It's likely some were complicit in his fraud.

Will this auspicious collection of righteous souls also be going after the Pass Through operators who made a tidy little profit shilling for pirate, handling the recruitment of his victims, performing the actual transfer of his victim's funds into his scheme and now all want to so handily hide behind his skirt and claim no culpability?

Seems somehow disingenuous for anyone involved as a co-conspirator to get involved in an effort to track down the bad guy. Of course, OJ claimed he was hunting for his ex-wife's killer while still wiping the warm blood off his gloves, so I guess nothing should surprise us any more.

And if this particular clown car actually starts rolling... you may want to check your own records PPT folks... you had a secret clubhouse with the guy, you had ongoing secret dialog with him, it would only be reasonable to think that a gaggle of top flight biznessmen like yourselves would at least have a real name and phone number for the guy you gave $5,000,000 to, wouldn't it?

And in the sense of fair warning... if anybody asks for a penny of "contribution" for this effort, you will be the straw that broke the dam, and will become target number 1 for all abuse, serious questioning, threats of uncertain but very scary harm and concentrated legal action against you. Even stepping onto the path of "creating a structure" for that kind of heaping salt into the wound smacks of wanting to dig in and grab a few coins for yourself after the major crime has been committed.

And drop the potentially. If this effort isn't already exploring every possible legal avenue with full disclosure and cooperation from every PPT operator to help out the investigation on behalf of the victims that you helped create, then this is clearly a scheme for a little extra taste for the poor junior boys who didn't make out like true bandits at the big people's table.

Goat is doing his damnest to whitewash his history as a complicit I-know-Pirate's-business-model shill by appointing himself public prosecutor. Good luck with that, Goat, but it's a collosal mistake for anyone else to subsidize one of the leading co-conspirators to this scam.

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I would like to say a few quick things, my stuff I have had to sell was to cover things like my insured PPT bonds. The ones I guaranteed. I did not and will not go into default like many of the other PPT operators. Some of then I think will get the scammers tag because they lied about where their money was going. That is part of the reason why they are not here IMO.
Goat- it sucks to have to sell stuff to honor your obligations, but those are the realities of owning a business and offering investment opportunities. Some days you win, and some days you have to make your word be worth something, suck it up and pay out. That's the other side of the coin from when you are raking in the profits. The Scammer tag is not for participating, the Scammer tag will be for those who willfully promoted the scheme (which was the scam) were intimately involved in the scam, and do nothing to make good with the victims of the scam.

About opening the books, they have been opened. We have seen what was going on with many PPT operators because most of the work was done in the block chain. We still are missing some stuff and this is the sort of thing we will be looking for very soon.
Good. The more transparency you can offer the better. How about a full data dump on all of the secret IRC discussions, a breakdown on what was discussed and when, and access to the private contact info you have for pirate? The datamining experts here will find things like that valuable in their search for the guilty parties.

There will be a thread in a few hours for collection, and that will not be managed by me. I will not even have access to what is collected.
Why? What possible use does anybody investigating this have for donations? If there is an action plan developed and a fund to hire professional to investigate- that would be one thing, but just to say- "we need donations" is offensive. And the root cause of why I and others are doubting your sincerity is solving this problem.

I do not think I did anything wrong with my PPT because I was clear I would be giving my money to Pirate. I also explained that there were real risks investing with pirate and one should not invest more than they could lose.
Then may I suggest you think again. You were a vocal cheerleader, and enthusiastic early adopter, an insider in every respect, and you made a very public case for what a wonderful place it was to invest. You then proceeded to make significant profits for yourself on channeling the funds to pirate. An explanation in fine print does not make this okay, you have a fiduciary responsibility to those who entrusted you with their money. I realize that this is a pretend world, with a pretend currency, but the real world rules of responsibility for financial transactions apply. To put a none too subtle note on it, you are a very public accessory to a crime. You have channeled a significant amount of wealth through your mechanism of investment to an crime that is well into the felony range in pretty much any jurisdiction world-wide. You don't make that go away with a lame caveat emptor. You bust your ass trying to do the right thing, you dig deep until you bleed to make good to those who trusted you, long before the Court orders you to, and you don't ever ask for a donation to assist in this matter in any way. And you might consider staying out of the limelight. The investigation and subsequent prosecution (on whatever level) of this matter is not something that you should be the face of.

I also have explained how and my my bonds P were sold in the TygrrBondP thread found on the forum. Not reason to explain again. If you have a question please post it in the correct thread.

Thank you.
And I have been a very interested observer as you have learned how to put together your ventures. Your learning process has been very public. You just need to think about tightening up on the details now that investment mogul has turned to as-yet uncharged con-conspirator. You are standing at that crossroads where you have to decide who you are- a scummy little sycophant who is trying to bluff his way out of responsibility with empty words, or a man of honor who will do the right thing, and own his mistake, be honest about it, and work to make it better. And perhaps, a small note of humility and contrition?
19  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Going after Trendon Shavers, Pirateat40, BTCST on: September 11, 2012, 12:56:42 PM
I'll chip in my ill gotten BTC2 when you all are ready.

You do realize the first thing Goat will consult a lawyer about, is his OWN liability for promoting and facilitating a fraudulent ponzi operation, right? Why do you think he is still pretending its unsure if pirate really ran a ponzi? Goats first concern is not getting your coins back, its keeping his own ass out of trouble, and if that would mean letting Pirate off the hook, you can bet those 2BTC that he will.

This is for goddamn certain.
20  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Going after Trendon Shavers, Pirateat40, BTCST on: September 11, 2012, 12:52:35 PM
Many people seemed to give him a lot of money once everyone started telling ponzi.

That kind of makes sense, since once you know it is a ponzi you can figure a way to try to profit from it, such as by sending in lots more lambs to the slaughter, whereas when you didn't know what it was it was maybe harder to see why (or even how) he would ever give you any of your money back...

-MarkM-


Part of this IMO is that once people yelled ponzi people wanted safe investments and bought insrued pirate stuff.
However it turns out most of the insurance money was also sent to pirate :/


You see, this is where those people were wrong.
If people yell ponzi people should GTFO of the deal, not seek some insured ponzi stuff.
But in those situations usually greed takes over and the FIRST thing greed does is throw reason out the window.
Or would you claim that you honestly thought there was not a huge huge risk that pirate would not pay (and that is not a rhetorical question)?


He'll cling to the "not proven ponzi" line till the end.
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