Thanks for the compliment. Yes, I've successfully demonstrated that you don't seem to have any issues with lying, twisting facts, and not being entirely straightforward. Or do you wish to deny these statements?


If you find a broken car in the middle of the road, it doesn't automatically become yours. It's still someone else's property. I'm not sure where you live, but this analogy gives off major "dodgy neighborhood in a big city" vibes. You know, the kind where you can't even leave your car unattended for a hot minute without risking losing it, or at least the wheels!  

But this actually explains a lot. If you hold property rights in such low regard, it's not surprising that intellectual property doesn't get much of your attention either.


Basically, it's the same situation as with a car. You're assuming the dog is abandoned, but that doesn't grant you the right of ownership. What if the dog is just lost, and the real owner is still looking for it?

/Once more, I'll skip a chunk of your text, which, imho, seems quite irrelevant or just a rehash of those wrong assumptions I've already explained for you./


And I'll explain to you once again, that's not how software licenses work. I don't know what you still don't understand. Even if you stumble upon the source code floating around on the internet, it doesn't automatically grant you the right to use it as you please. Without a license, it defaults to "all rights reserved."

You can read more about it here: Is my code FLOSS just because it is published it on GitHub?, or simply read the GitHub help pages: Licensing a repository




Why on earth would they take down their own repository? Phoenix gambling (win5x) has made it abundantly clear why they made their source code public. But, you should understand that making source code public doesn't equate to giving up their copyright.


It's actually not a bad idea at all! I'm glad you're finally starting to understand. But there's a bit more to it. It depends on the specifics of your software's licensing. If the original code has certain open-source or free-to-use components, giving it out for free is typically fine, but selling updates or derivative works might be a grey area. It's not about not being allowed to sell your own code, it's about whether you can use the original code in that way. There are different kinds of software licenses, and I'm sure you're aware of that, which tell you what you can and can't do with the code. It all boils down to what the original author says and whether they're okay with it.

Calm down, It was just a joke!

I'm sure that the forum has enough money to keep running for a very long time. Even theymos said so when he disabled forum advertising.

OP, are you referring to this topic:

Blockchain For Dummies!

You're lying again!

Here are just a few examples where you have stated that you believe you are allowed to claim the code as your own:





Give my earlier messages another read; I don't plan on rephrasing it just because it didn't click the first time. And, by the way, I'm not interested in your discord.


I didn't ask you to prove something that doesn't exist. I asked you to prove your statements,
specifically this:

and this:

If you can't back up your claims with solid evidence, it basically means you're making things up to spin a fake story.



You're making things up again.  I didn't mention anything about those two. I clearly stated that it's not relevant to this discussion.

1. That's not the key issue here. Even if you make 10,000 updates, it doesn't magically make the original code yours, and it certainly doesn't grant you the right to claim someone else's work as your own.
2. If you can't prove that they aren't the original developers, then why bother slinging mud and insisting they're not? If you have any doubts, it's only fair to present the evidence. They published the source code of their original script on GitHub, after the code was leaked on the Russian warez forums. You admitted it yourself:


And now you lie that they are not the original developers? Where did you get their script then?

4. Whether they are a real company or not is irrelevant. Even independent developers have the right to claim ownership of their code.
5. Not relevant for this discussion.



It wasn't your code to begin with. All the facts show that you illegally took someone else's code and present it as your own. Yes, that makes you a scammer!


That's exactly what you tried to do in the case of Phoenix gambling.


That's not true!


Your replies are filled with irrelevant and unimportant details, seemingly to divert attention from the actual issue. If you'd like us to address each point, it might be more effective to keep your initial messages concise and to the point.

I'm not saying that he is wrong, but Murat should really think about laying out his side of things here.  Not saying anything doesn't do anyone any favors, and it usually just leads to more guessing and people making up stuff that aint true.  Even if Metropoly screwed up and didn't hold up their end of the bargain, no reason for the manager to not speak out about it publicly.

It seems pretty evident here who the actual scammer is. I will quote your post with img edits for better visibility:

You have been a member of this community since 2018 and you are well aware to post in the Gambling section, so I really don't understand your question. You even promote bitcoin casino with your signature.


It depends on the game. All casino games are luck-based to some extent. Some may involve a degree of skill, like poker, where your decisions can influence the outcome.

Do you have proof of that?


Again, depending on the original license (e.g., GPLv2 or v3), you may be permitted to modify the script but not to resell it, or its derivatives. You can offer support, provide updates and bug fixes, and charge for these services, but that still doesn't grant you rights to the original script or its derivatives.


Do you have proof of that?


By that logic, degika is doing this community a favor too!


LOL! That's actually even worse for you!

The default software license for publicly released code is typically "All Rights Reserved." What that means is the person who wrote the code keeps all the copyrights and control over it.  Other people can't use it, change it, or distribute it without explicit permission from the original creator.

You say you're a developer? Then you should know that's not how software licenses work. See, when someone writes a program and shares it under a certain license they still have rights over that code.  Stuff like how it can be used, changed, or passed around and  unless you wrote it yourself or got the ok from whoever did, you can't just sell it.  Thats infringing on their intellectual property rights.


Thats not the topic of this discussion. Besides, two wrongs don't make a right.


Oh, you're absolutely, positively, 100% wrong!    You are allowed to modify and use open-source code for your own purposes, but you must still adhere to the terms of the original license, no matter  how much of the original code was changed.

Your comparison to the bear market of 2015 doesn't hold water because the circumstances and effects are different. The bear market affected all coins on the market at that time. However, it's quite evident that today, only EGLD is experiencing a continuous decline. Typically, that means investors are losing confidence in that particular shitcoin.


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Well, this is more complicated than it seems at first! Looks like degika bought a casino script from swaga.  But here's the thing - swaga didn't actually make the script.  He resold it illegally after getting it from the real developers at phoenix-gambling! I even found a comment phoenix-gambling left a few months ago explaining the whole situation. 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440223.msg61782027#msg61782027

They said swaga took their open source script from GitHub without permission and acted like he created it himself! Super sketchy.  degika probably had no idea since swaga was acting like the legitimate creator. 

And, as it often turns out, this isn't the whole story. The OP himself is selling a script to which he has no rights. Here's a warning from phoenix-gambling in one of his previous threads, stating that they do not permit the resale of their script. Furthermore, the version of the script in question was never intended for public use or sale, as clearly stated on their Github repo.

@swaga, as you're not the original author of the script and don't have the right to resell it, you also don't have the authority to prevent others from freely distributing it, which is precisely what degika has done now.

Would you be singing a different song if your account wasn't painted red by any chance?

From what I can tell, it seems like the Metropoly people might be lying here.  I mean, if there's no blockchain proof to support their side, then they're probably just making stuff up.  But what surprises me is that Murat's been so quiet about all this. Youd think he'd want to clear the air publicly right? I didn't see him post anything in that old thread, and it's pretty shady that he deleted those questions on his Telegram group.  I dunno, the whole thing smells fishy to me.  Murat should speak up if he wants people to know his perspective and  staying silent just makes him look guilty. This is some messy drama lol.  I wish theyd just put all the evidence out there and settle it already.  But from what I can see, Metropoly seems sus and Murat dodging questions doesn't help his case.  Just my two cents as an outsider looking in.

But you could still use your IMToken wallet on your old phone, right? You wouldn't automatically lose all your tokens just because you bought a new phone, even if you didn't save your private key or seed phrase.  Just fire up that old phone, and you're back in business. unless, of course, your old phone is lost or destroyed and you can no longer use it.

I get why people worry about their loved ones who are into crypto, what with how up and down the markets can be. It makes sense to keep in touch with your family and friends whether things are going great or the markets tanking. Gotta make sure the highs don't go to anyone's head or the lows don't bum anyone out too bad. Supporting each other is good. Your people matter more than money.

But I also agree with JeromeTash, people need to learn to deal with the consequences of their actions themselves. This aint kids' stuff we're dealing with here.  Everybody's got to take responsibility for themselves and the risks they take.  We can support each other, but we cant be babysitting grown folks or cleaning up their messes for them.  They want to play with fire they're gonna get burned sometimes.  That's just how it is.

I also understand why you're feeling angry, but there's no need to let that anger linger over your naive mistakes. Use them as learning opportunities and continue to grow. We've all made mistakes when we were inexperienced, just like you. Just be smart and stop wasting your money on shitcoins.

Yeah, when the markets stagnate or go downhill, it can be a good chance to take some smart risks for those willing.  Bored Apes and CyberPunks are indeed some of the big names in NFTs now. They've gotten a lot of attention, so it'll be cool to see how they do long term.  But you gotta remember the whole NFT thing could lose steam over time like some fads before and  these new markets are shaky, so smart thinking is needed with NFTs, it's wise to approach the market with a measured strategy and diversify your investments. That way you can try for the chances but also protect if things drop.

By the way, I don't think this topic is really about gambling, so maybe it's best to move it to a suitable board.

Thats such an weird statement. It's like saying, "Even if parents are great chefs, they still want their kids to avoid cooking." Perhaps it's just a case of wanting the best for their kids and wanting to steer them away from risky stuff. After all, "Don't gamble, sweetie, the odds are stacked against you," is probably a more common refrain than, "Here's how to double down on a hard 16."