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Hey I'll take it a wee bit further to highlight INNOVATION.

After the great gulf culling and the social conversion of the coast into a wasteland there would be more than a few collapsed markets for foodstuffs. The price of oysters and fish skyrocket, causing underground aquaponics farms without any form of regulation to spring up everywhere. As each is found out as a source of salmonella or other toxin, as all corners are cut to ensure highest returns, the operators are forced to move quickly under new names to ensure that their customers never know about their past. Small arms combat between private contractors securing diy bioreactor feed for large scale aquaponics farms become more and more common as there are less and less foods, which only happens in food-poor neighborhoods. People living in rich neighborhoods complain about the parasites that want protection from the cartels that slowly establish more permanent gulf-food alternative farms need to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and shovel manure into the fish vats for 14 hours a day instead of 10. The poor are tasked with finding organic matter, paid by the pound, to throw in the feed vats. Those that couldn't afford the endless tests necessary to ensure factory grown crops by financiers with no concern for quality are safe die without burial money. Another innovative idea is discovered.....

So the people living there would first attempt to defraud anyone they could to take title of their land in effected areas as they got the hell out of there. Then the people who foolishly invested in the toxic assets would strip the assets there clean to recoup their losses, especially the trees. Low income people are offered free living in the abandonded areas if they work at the newly repurposed factory areas, now much cheaper to run with the complete collapse of the local economy creating a new 3rd world along the gulf. This increases pollution making the gulf catastrophe worse. The impoverished parasites there complain about their 35 year lifespan and the ocean continues getting worse because it was nobodies responsibility to fix it.

E: hey, in the ole USA we did all 3!

Little word game, then:

So, the Gulf oil spill is still pretty terrible. The gulf has lost value to the life there, the people there, and the cities that are on it's border. It has cost the environment  and the doings of mankind. The cost to repair it would be, it appears, too great of a burden to bear. Where is the wealth growth in ignoring it and hoping it fixes itself?

Socialists might demand restrictions on oil well drilling at unsealable depths to prevent it from happening again and begin the long campaign of readjusting the human interactions along the gulf in order to mitigate the damage, at least in the human world. Oil production would scale back immediately as a result, throwing charts and graphs akimbo. Public transit would have to run more often (you can't raise fees as it's already paid for, likely) and in extremes new GPM requirements might be pushed through on vehicles to ensure the supply isn't strained to the point it causes further catastrophe. Scientists would likely be called in to create a rehabilitation plan and offered a large grant to see it through.

Communists would close up businesses in the gulf area to force the population to move elsewhere to mitigate the damage, run stories about how undesirable the area is, and mitigate human harm by forced relocation. Those that refused to relocate would be made responsible for cleaning it up, but as it isn't a state sponsored action would likely suffer heavy shortages of supplies. The deserted areas would make a great place for a new penal colony, and the locals could use the help.

Libertarians would ____________________________________________________________.

You can't untangle personal wealth from the global flow of wealth in the same way you can't untangle a rain forest from the ice caps, doing so is EXACTLY the kind of intentional simplification used in order to rationalize....

hell, forget it.

Not an appropriate cop-out for stewardship of the seas.

 

Lovely post FA, really.

It is always painful to see someone oversimplify the natural world in order to rationalize some reckless and selfish action that puts many many things at risk. What is the cost we would pay to clear the sky again if the rain was so bad it ate through clothing on contact? Is there any price we WOULDN'T pay? What is the fiscal investment to return the seas to their original state?  

Rehabilitating the oceans from their obscene overfished state would be a herculean task, maybe an impossible one, and those costs are not considered by someone who thinks the sea is infinite and endless; a handy assumption to make when hauling tons of fish at a time and claiming it 'your labors'. Those fish are the labor of eons of development, a global ecology, and a fragile lifecycle; more than any man on a boat with a net. Just because the ocean spirits don't send you an invoice for their removal doesn't mean there is no impact, and cherry picking studies of oceanic life to prove yourself devoid of responsibility doesn't mitigate it in any real way.

I'm not even an environmentalist.

edit: So If you have a car and want a fish, and I have a fish and want a car, and the marine ecology has started catastrophic collapse due to overfishing and the wellbeing of billions of humans is at risk; where is the wealth? Do we look upon the next generation and say, well... FY;GM I really liked that car and I didn't have anything to do with it anyway maybe you should try to find a new market somewhere. Space maybe, I dunno it isn't my problem.

The fact that musicians that are successful work very very hard? Is that the fact?

I just imagined Dank telling the highest paid musician in America, Dr Dre, that hard work was selling out and if you stay true to yourself you will find your way to superstardom.  I wonder, would he actually physically strike on impulse for hearing such an untrue thing or would he just have him escorted off the property. I bet he's in a meeting right NOW, wearing reading glasses and wondering if he's going to be done by 8pm.

The Dead ran grueling touring schedules and the most respected names in music put in insane hours on the work of producing media, as well as the dizzying amount of business work that is included.

You are confusing soulful with lazy again, Dank. Have some respect.   

If you have love in your heart you can just eat a double dose the next day to gain awareness.

You realize that communism and socialism are different things, right?

"But without the grasshoppers there will be a missing parts of the local ecology that will indirectly effect you!", the grasshopper said. "The death of any creatures of the forest effects everything in the forest!".

"We are totally independent of the natural world and do not need any help, nor will we be forced to contribute outside of our own hive. We don't believe in the interconnectivity of all things, because that leads to systematic theft of everything we hold dear. Greenie, you need to have secured your holdings more completely with insurance and better security." said the ant, which was entirely oblivious to the tenuous nature of their hive in the grand scheme of things.

Should just wait 3 more weeks and it'll be TONS easier.

"Winner", he whispers to himself in the mirror.

"WINNER!", he said again, noticing how much BETTER he looks than other people.

The children playing outside upset him for a second, one screaming "I WON! I WON!" after a footrace. He shuffled across the room, trying not to knock over anything as he made it to the window. "WINNER!", he screamed at the children. "WINNER WINNER WINNER WINNER", he continued to them as they ran away while pounding himself on the chest.

"They don't understand", he thought. "I doubt a single child has as much gold as I", he mused as his eyes were drawn back to the mirror. "WINNER!", he smirked.

I'm sure he has hoarded enough assets to never ever need help from anyone and has the guns to make sure he can hold it.

FY,GM definitely implies a person wasting assets that others need because... well... FY,GM.

Anyone have a link for that study in which people would rather get less and others get nothing than get more and others get something?

Kidney theft at gunpoint is a FY,GM action yes. You won't find a high instance of that in a socialism though, nor in any first world nation. In places where cartels and gangs rule without oversight or human rights agencies though, it happens.

The moderators know already, and this isn't some slippery slope. Goat was banned for the same reason, and I'm sure now that Usagi is actively attacking the moderators here individually he won't be far behind. Why it hasn't happened yet is beyond me, maybe they are letting the last of the scam accusation threads wind down first. I dunno.

Is the moderation team going to recognize how absolutely toxic Usagi is to every digital community he's ever been involved in, as he is here? He has the historical record of not only sustaining this level of multi-thousand a day word output, while throwing around pseudo-legalese, for a decade. This will continue FOREVER. His newsgroup history, as linked in other threads, shows that what he is doing here is part of his pathology. There will forever be accusations against people at a constant clip, dragging every single person that doesn't agree with him into it. Every time. FOREVER.

Ban Usagi, not for being a scammer but for being a toxic and horrible member of any digital community. The disruption this one guy causes is unbelievable. The mods here don't have to take his shit, there is no right to have access, and he's even proved his willingness to game the software.

I may be just some low-effort troll fishing around for a place in the BTC niche, but I can't be the only person to see this. He's hilarious, but my god it's so tiresome.

Ban him!