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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: RedFlaged / Marked or "Dirty" BTC/USDT

on: August 14, 2022, 07:48:42 PM

Quote from: hatshepsut93 on August 14, 2022, 08:40:55 AM First, you need to know from which address you will receive the coins. In many cases it's impossible, because your counterparty will refuse to tell you. Second, there's no objective taint. It's about to whom you will send your coins. Some services might not care about history of your coins at all. Others might hire chainanalysis companies or perform their own analysis. Some services don't want to receive coins linked to gambling. And so on. There's lots of possibilities. Thats the point of this topic. Just the small fraction of coins that you will receive make all of them taint. And if ill transfer them over to exchange with AML, KYC im afraid what can happened. How to avoid receiving them, how to make sure they are clear before you facilitate the trade. Is btc/usdt -> monero-> new wallet-> btc new wallet -> exchange still work? Does anyone know Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 14, 2022, 10:45:18 AM I have traded exclusively peer to peer for the entire time I have used bitcoin. I extensively mix, coinjoin, swap to Monero, and otherwise obfuscate my coins. I have literally never once encountered a problem with taint or dirty coins because I do not use any centralized exchange or service which buys in to such nonsense and perpetuates this attack on the fundamentals of bitcoin. what decentralized exchange are you using for swapping coins if you don't mind to share Quote from: jossiel on August 14, 2022, 01:10:27 PM Quote from: pandaBTC on August 14, 2022, 02:25:57 AM Hello to everyone. Need some advice from went over this and have solid solutionS. How to make sure that coins (BTC and/or USDT) are not "dirty" before you receive them on your wallet?Not concidering Coinfirm,Chainalysis,ScoreChain etc. As I anderstand they wan't be locked until you send them to crypto-platform with KYC( like binance..). What about cold wallets? Ask a miner personally and buy those freshly mined bitcoins. Other than that, I can't see any other way for you to have those clean bitcoins in the circulation because you'll never know where the origin of it really came from. As been said by the others, it's likely that most of the coins have been touched by any of those worries you've got. if there is a miners you know I would be happy to work with.it have to be a trusted person otherwise we coming back to the same point - are they really mined? Some sellers straight up buy being - coins are from mixer, some aren't. Quote from: franky1 on August 14, 2022, 02:00:56 PM Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on August 14, 2022, 01:33:43 PM Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 14, 2022, 01:19:34 PM Sure they do: Take your business elsewhere. Yeah, I mean after you've made an account and deposited money. You can't say "Hey, I changed my mind, give my 'tainted' coins back". They confiscate your property and you either give it up, or give them what they want, that is personal data. They're blackmailing you straight. If they didn't, you could have the option to provide your UTXO on some /taint_check, and see yourself if your money is "tainted", without handing it over to some third party. ...if they find you suspicious to a certain level they run an investigation. if it encroaches to a certain threshold, they can limit your access to certain features in their service. but you still have the ability to withdraw your funds and close your account.... You're correct. but its a time concern. Your funds are locked for who knows how long. Depend on your luck. if it been locked in 2009 and released in 2022 the I don't mined this scenario [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: RedFlaged / Marked or "Dirty" BTC/USDT

on: August 14, 2022, 05:25:38 AM

Quote from: Z-tight on August 14, 2022, 05:14:41 AM Quote from: pandaBTC on August 14, 2022, 04:26:34 AM With B2B its all fine but P2P - big problem aspecially lately. 100 trades could be fine but 1 can mess all of them. Use mixers if you are worried about it then! Though in my opinion this is a non-issue, a currency, that bitcoin is changes hands very frequently, so if funds that have been marked as bad or stolen gets to you, i don't feel you can be in any trouble since your address wasn't the first one to receive the stolen funds. My local currency for example is stolen from people on the streets, in their houses every goddamn day, that same money circulates, but as long as i am not the thief who stole the money, i don't worry about the origin of the paper money in my purse, even if there is a high chance it was stolen at some point. You are right about money. Also I would use mixers - but problem is that with all this AML ,exchanges can block your wallet just because it came from mixer and at some point coins been marked. Thats why im looking for who went over this problems and have something to share with all of us. PS. don't want to try it myself and end up in bad position.

Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: RedFlaged / Marked or "Dirty" BTC/USDT

on: August 14, 2022, 04:26:34 AM

Quote from: Solosanz on August 14, 2022, 02:58:36 AM You only have one way, trace the coins came from. But most people can't distinguish between the coins came from mixers and normal transaction, it need a good understanding and learning to know that. What can I say is most mixer are easier to know the pattern, while Chipmixer is harder. Usually the risk of such dirty coins are came from directly P2P trading without any platform as the third party and mixers. Although not all dirty coins will transferred to mixers, but coins from mixers will flagged as high illicit funds. As long as you're not doing directly P2P trading, I think you're almost prevent to receive dirty coins. Thats the problem. im looking for solution for P2P trades. With B2B its all fine but P2P - big problem aspecially lately. 100 trades could be fine but 1 can mess all of them. Need to eliminate that for P2P. my thoughts so far is: - make sure the funds are coming from exchange with KYC - move over to Monero and Zcash and conversation to btc. but If im not wrong ZEC has some issues with traceability. - other option is to receive small amount of BTC directly on verified exchange wallet with 0 balance. if it not gets suspended - coins are clean and can be received with no worries. In this case question is - how soon your wallet gets suspended if you receive flagged coins and does it depend on amount (50 cents or over 100$). Please add your thoughts. Decentralization slowly moving towards centralization . But that's another topic. [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / RedFlaged / Marked or "Dirty" BTC/USDT

on: August 14, 2022, 02:25:57 AM

Hello to everyone. Need some advice from went over this and have solid solutionS. How to make sure that coins (BTC and/or USDT) are not "dirty" before you receive them on your wallet?Not concidering Coinfirm,Chainalysis,ScoreChain etc. As I anderstand they wan't be locked until you send them to crypto-platform with KYC( like binance..). What about cold wallets?

Economy / Currency exchange / Re: BTC for sale(cash trade only)

on: February 22, 2021, 01:38:38 AM

Quote from: AutumnAcacia on January 26, 2021, 05:00:20 AM Looking for NY, im buying text me. price depend on amount you need

Economy / Currency exchange / Re: BTC for sale(cash trade only)

on: September 23, 2020, 03:46:10 AM

Wow. Your conversation is getting wrong way and way out of my initial post!) So it is still up. To Bitcoinsummoner. I don't see the point of doing that. To do everything just to prove that my initial add is the real - it's not why i'm here. For you personally I'm OFFERING to sell some btc (you can go even with a $100 so don't have to be worried) @market value. Any secure/public place you choose. So you be the first who click "Trust" button

Economy / Currency exchange / Re: BTC for sale(cash trade only)

on: September 18, 2020, 07:22:15 PM

Quote from: Bitcoinsummoner on September 17, 2020, 10:12:07 PM Quote from: pandaBTC on September 17, 2020, 09:49:45 PM Hi. I'm selling BTC for cash only. Strictly Face2face trade in any public/safe place (Starbucks, bank...) price: market price +5 to 10% depend on amount you wish to trade location: CA - Korea Town IL - loop area NY - soon please text first at: 217-310-6887 Why you are trying to trade face to face instead of bank or other method? In bitcointalk I have almost never seen any complete trade which made on face to face. Also usually I see this type of post only from newbie account. Also I am surprised how you will trade face to face in 3 state!! 1. F2F bc you avoid dealing with institutions. There is much more reasons and they are different for each of us. On other hand you facing fear/probability of headache and sometimes not showing up person you wish to trade with 2. The key word is "Almost". 3. You where the same "newbie" a while ago. But now you probably have some trust. So why I can't be the same. 4. I'm do travel a lot. IL- where I can meet almost any time in person P>S Scammers and etc sort of people come and go. I'm here to do business and earn money. If you don't believe in F2F trades it doesn't mean they are not there. You can try it out by yourself (or any one from this community) and have a feedback under this post. I'll be in LA first days of October. You are welcome to text me and set up trade

Economy / Currency exchange / BTC for sale(cash trade only)

on: September 17, 2020, 09:49:45 PM

Hi. I'm selling BTC for cash only. Strictly Face2face trade in any public/safe place (Starbucks, bank...) price: market price +5 to 10% depend on amount you wish to trade location: CA - Korea Town IL - loop area NY - soon please text first at: 217-310-6887

Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Buying bitcoins in San Francisco & LA

on: July 02, 2020, 03:22:07 AM

Quote from: Kapitalism on April 19, 2020, 06:01:24 AM https://paxful.com/user/Kapitalism ^^ 50-100 BTC TRADE VOLUME TRUSTED RETAILER I AM BUYING BITCOINS IN SAN FRANCISCO/BAY AREA AND LOS ANGELES/SURROUND AREAS WITH CASH CAN BUY BITCOINS VIA ONLINE PAYMENTS AS WELL (VENMO, ZELLE, CASHAPP) Please DM me on telegram (Kapitalism415) or wickr (Kapitalism) Happy Trading Cash Trade?P2P. rate?

Economy / Currency exchange / selling BTC

on: June 24, 2020, 03:10:21 AM

Hi. I'm selling BTC . Trades P2P only. accepting only cash. Rate depend on amount, demand and could range from 5%-12% Meeting preference : safe public place. It could be Bank Branch, Starbucks.. Location: At this moment only Chicago, IL (loop area). in close future I'll add more locations. But at this moment only Chicago and could consider LA ( Beverly Hills area) as one of the options . If you would like to do trade in LA we have to schedule it in advance and you need to open escrow with partial amount as I have to fly over. wickr: oilpntr text to: 217-310-6887

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