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1  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Bitcoin, la propria famiglia e il futuro - considerazioni a ruota libera on: November 04, 2022, 07:39:17 AM
Uso questo forum più come un museo da visitare ogni tanto.

Non ho capito.
 Noi saremmo le mummie? O gli animali imbalsamati? Beh, se invece di un museo, lo considerassi una biblioteca, dove apprendere cose nuove, o magari anche depositare un tuo libro, sarebbe già un passo in avanti!

Poi vabbè, magari scopri che non è né un museo, né una biblioteca, ma uno zoo.


Ahah!

Ogni tanto mi prende il momento bitcoin e mi rimetto a leggere le discussioni del 2010 o giù di lì.
2  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Bitcoin, la propria famiglia e il futuro - considerazioni a ruota libera on: November 03, 2022, 08:31:35 PM
Per 0,1 bitcoin mi offro come "esperto" da contattare dalle famiglie in caso di dipartita del possessore.
Grazie dell’offerta, che mi pare tutto sommato ragionevole.
Credo che @Babo offra già un servizio del genere.
Mio personalissimo consiglio, se vuoi avere successo in un campo come questo, oltre alle competenze tecniche, che non metto assolutamente in dubbio, dovresti farti una “reputazione” sul forum, per lo meno. Altrimenti è troppo difficile che qualcuno venga da te senza “conoscerti”.

Hai ragione ma non frequento molto. Uso questo forum più come un museo da visitare ogni tanto.
3  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Bitcoin, la propria famiglia e il futuro - considerazioni a ruota libera on: November 02, 2022, 11:40:26 AM
Per 0,1 bitcoin mi offro come "esperto" da contattare dalle famiglie in caso di dipartita del possessore.
4  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Can't access my money because of the derivation path on: January 08, 2022, 10:58:52 AM
I'm not sure if it helps, and I realize it's been a while, but I ran into a similar issue with the Coinbase Wallet app recently. My issue was specific to ETC, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if the same type of issue exists on other coins/wallets. I'm sharing in the hopes that perhaps it might provide you with some ideas on what might have gone wrong, and how you can potentially recover the funds.

A co-worker who's pretty new to crypto purchased a few thousand dollars worth of ETC and transferred it from Coinbase to his Coinbase Wallet. Whenever he tried to send the funds back to Coinbase it would error out and basically prevent him from doing anything. Coinbase support just told him to setup another wallet using his seed key (meaning another software app wallet) and he would be able to transfer his ETC. However, when he setup his wallet on another application all of his coins showed up except for the ETC.

THE FIX
I had him install Coinomi on his iPhone and restore his wallet. When setting up wallets in Coinomi you can change the derivation key for the coin you are setting up. According to Coinomi's own support articles ETH has a derivation path of M/44H/60H/0H/0 while ETC has a derivation path of M/44H/61H/0H/0. For some reason neither his ETH or ETC wallets restored by default. To get his ETH to show up, I had to add the /0 at the end of the derivation path. To finally get his ETC to show up, I had to use the ETH derivation path on his ETC wallet (M/44H/60H/0H/0). This made little  sense to me, but it worked and allowed him to send the coins back to Coinbase.

Anyway, good luck. I wish I could be of more help. Losing funds because Coinbase apparently can't code a decent wallet is bad for the crypto in general.

They never replied to me. Do you have the BTC derivation path of Coinbase? 200 $ for you if yours work.

We already tried with many derivation paths.
5  Bitcoin / Electrum / URGENT is electrum affected? on: May 11, 2021, 07:41:53 PM
Hi, the guys at cakewallet have warned people who had a 12 word wallet in their old version.
Is electrum affected by the same problem too?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/n9yypd/urgent_action_needed_for_bitcoin_wallets_cake/
6  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Can't access my money because of the derivation path on: January 17, 2021, 02:49:08 PM
Nothing, I just tried with bip141 and P2WPKH these derivation paths

m/44'/0'/0'/0
m/44'/0'/0'/1
m/44'/0'/1'/0
m/44'/0'/1'/1
m/44'/0'/2'/0
m/44'/0'/2'/1

and this one too

m/44'/0'

but the desired address doesn't appear.
7  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Can't access my money because of the derivation path on: January 17, 2021, 09:43:22 AM
There is a weird and really rare bug inside of the coinbase wallet application which derived the one single address wrong only that one time.
While this definitely is not impossible, it is rather rare.
Running with this idea, it is at least theoretically possible since Coinbase so easily switches between Legacy and Segwit addresses, that it has derived a Segwit address from a Legacy derivation path. You could try using Ian Coleman's site (offline, of course), enter the seed phrase, scroll down to "Derivation Path" and click on "BIP141", enter m/44'/0'/0'/0 in the box titled "BIP32 Derivation Path", and select "P2WPKH" in the drop down menu titled "Script Semantics". This will generate Segwit addresses at the standard Legacy derivation path.

It would also be worth checking change addresses of that account using m/44'/0'/0'/1, and checking further accounts using m/44'/0'/1'/0 and m/44'/0'/2'/0, and checking the change addresses of those accounts too.
Just tried, the address with the money does not appear in the list.
When you say to check the change addresses, have I already searched them by inserting those settings you just told me or do I have to do something else in order to check them?
I tried all the combinations you've listed and the address did not appear in the list.
8  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Can't access my money because of the derivation path on: January 17, 2021, 08:48:40 AM
To me it seems that these 2 options are the most likely ones:

1)
There is a weird and really rare bug inside of the coinbase wallet application which derived the one single address wrong only that one time.
While this definitely is not impossible, it is rather rare.

2)
Your friend has the wrong mnemonic code.
This happens more often than you would assume. People tend to "know for sure" which mnemonic code they have used. But in the end it always was their mistake (wrong wallet file, different mnemonic code, used a BIP39 passphrase, etc...).

Yeah it could indeed be number 2, although I am not 100% sure because it had already happened to me personally not to access my funds even though I had the exact seed. After a while I found the funds (with that seed), it was a derivation path issue, because for whatever reason (no idea to this day), it was different from the other ones created by electrum. Instead of m/84/0/0 it was m/0 and that's it.

RIP
9  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Can't access my money because of the derivation path on: January 17, 2021, 06:19:36 AM
Can you try something for me... can you try installing the Mycelium wallet app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mycelium.wallet and then restoring the seed in that application and check to see what transactions you can see? Huh

I've just restored an old Mycelium seed into Coinbase... and it's missing the first couple of transactions from the wallet history. So, it seems that perhaps the Coinbase app might be "broken"? Huh Undecided


But the last transaction is the one that is shown in the segwit wallet! WTF?! It's like the conbase wallet app contains different wallets with different derivation paths within itself and it exchanges between them from time to time.
Yes, that is exactly what the Coinbase wallet does... Like I said, you can swap between SegWit and Legacy simply by tapping on the "Segwit" and "Legacy" tabs on the "Receive" screen... it swaps from one to the other. On the main screen it simply shows all the transactions from both the SegWit and Legacy "wallets"...

at least, it should, but like I said, it seems to be missing a transaction or two? Undecided


Done. It shows the same transactions from the legacy and segwit wallet.
10  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Can't access my money because of the derivation path on: January 16, 2021, 09:42:28 PM
No the seed is right.
The address with the balance belongs to a different seed.
You have a seed... not the seed.
Maybe it's time to talk to your friend.

Will do. Can you read my last post again? I edited it.

11  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Can't access my money because of the derivation path on: January 16, 2021, 09:37:42 PM
There is no doubt in my mind that that is the wallet that belongs to that seed and that it is in fact empty.

So you think the seed is wrong?

Yet almost all transactions of the coinbase wallet are shown in the legacy wallet.

But the last transaction is the one that is shown in the segwit wallet! WTF?! It's like the conbase wallet app contains different wallets with different derivation paths within itself and it exchanges between them from time to time.

12  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Can't access my money because of the derivation path on: January 16, 2021, 09:19:00 PM
This is what I see when I create the legacy wallet




this is what I see when I create the segwit wallet



this is what I see when I enter the coinbase wallet app




13  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Can't access my money because of the derivation path on: January 16, 2021, 09:12:26 PM
I wrote your code in the console, pressed enter, restarted electrum but I see the same amount of addresses.

I also entered his coinbase wallet app, I can see all the transactions up to 3 days ago. I tried all 10 different wallets that you find by pressing settings/advanced/active wallet but everything is empty. Also, no matter which wallet I tried, they all show the same exact transactions.

Another thing that doesn't app up is that the transaction list shown in the app does not coincide 100 % with the 2 wallets I have found with electrum. The transactions I found on the segwit electrum wallet are not shown in the coinbase wallet app.
The transactions I found on the legacy electrum wallet are shown in the coinbase wallet app, but not all of them and some that are listed in the coinbase wallet up are not present in the electrum wallet.
So there's clearly a mess going on here. Same seed, same wallet and not all txs show up?
14  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Can't access my money because of the derivation path on: January 16, 2021, 08:09:26 PM
I am using the website https://iancoleman.io/bip39/ on an offline computer, telling it to scan for thousands of addresses but the one I want is not listed there.
I have selected bip84 and it doesn't show up. Then I tried to put "1" in the "account" box but it's not there either.

15  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Can't access my money because of the derivation path on: January 16, 2021, 06:29:16 PM
I now have the seed and I have entered the wallet.
When I enter the wallet though, the addresses to receive are in the form of 15..., 14... whereas the address that contains the money is bc1.

With that seed, I tried to access the wallet with electrum. I click "detect existing account" and it finds me a bip44 legacy wallet (but the address I need is bc1 so not legacy), I open it anyway and I do see the old transactions.

I am able to retrieve another wallet (always with the same seed), this time with bc1 addresses, I open it and I see some transactions, so this wallet was used too. Unfortunately though the address I am looking for is not there.

What else can I do?

He certainly screwed it up by using a legacy wallet and giving out a segwit address.
16  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Patrimonio di Satoshi Nakamoto on: September 10, 2020, 01:57:05 PM
cosa sono i satelliti di bitcoin?

scusa non ti seguo a sto giro
e lo screen e' la post history di satoshi?

e chi e' quello in foto?


spiega anche per chi onn sa le cose Smiley altrimenti non ci capiamo molto - grazie

edit: la foto si riferisce a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Back

Sì, è un messaggio di Satoshi in cui parlava di usare i satelliti per assicurare la rete in caso di interi paesi tagliati fuori.
Nel 2010.

Qua c'è Adam Back che dimostra come funziona il servizio nel 2020. Bitcoin satellitare anche senza internet. Più informazioni qui: https://blockstream.com/satellite/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrRh2pk3vDM&t=1560s


Anche questo mi pare un "indizio" gigantesco. Che io sappia è l'unico a fare questo tipo di cose.
17  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Patrimonio di Satoshi Nakamoto on: September 10, 2020, 06:43:54 AM
Ragazzi stavo leggendo questo messaggio ed è impossibile non pensare a questa discussione e a Back.

"satellite dish internet".

2010.





10 anni dopo lo stesso tizio si mette a fare i satelliti di bitcoin

18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Fees on: September 02, 2020, 06:34:58 AM
Ethereum is totally centralized.

1. you remove Vitalik and ethereum is over.
2. there are very few full nodes, easy to shut down.
19  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Patrimonio di Satoshi Nakamoto on: August 26, 2020, 02:40:13 PM
Più che morire di fame temo che abbia paura di essere assassinato, rapito o torturato per rubargli qualche chiave privata.

Io preferirei che continuasse a parlare, sempre in anonimato, quando necessario. Ma soprattutto che si rivelasse prima di morire, sarebbe triste non riconoscere questa invenzione al suo inventore.
20  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Patrimonio di Satoshi Nakamoto on: August 25, 2020, 07:09:14 PM
Non vorrei riaccendere la fiamma, ma due spazi dopo il punto era abbastanza comune nella scrittura a macchina o in generale per i font monospazio, aiuta nel visualizzare meglio le proposizioni specialmente se si scrivono testi giustificati.
Mi ricordo ancora da piccolo il suono "tan tan" che mio nonno faceva nello scrivere a macchina, e io che quando giocavo da bambino con la stessa macchina gli facevo il verso imitandolo.
Per quanto ne so potrei avere del sangue Satoshi nelle vene  Tongue

Esatto, stessa identica spiegazione data dall'autore del documentario. Non solo, lui aggiunge che in certe università informatiche il doppio spazio era obbligatorio fino a 10/20 anni fa (ora non ricordo più la quantità). E proprio per questo, il doppio spazio difficilmente è un tratto falsificabile, è invece un comportamento ormai naturale e abitudinario di chi lo ha osservato per svariati anni. Back scrive così da decenni. E da quel che so è l'unico ad avere questa caratteristica all'intero del gruppo dei papabili.
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