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1541  Economy / Speculation / Re: $5 Mt. Gox price contest! 2BTC on: December 21, 2011, 11:48:45 AM
AFAIK,
1/2/2012 is the 2nd of January, but
1.2.2012 is the 1st of February.
Can you bring an example of a country, where 1/2/2012 means the 1st of February?

Sure. Australia. (And I believe also the UK, though I haven't been there to experience it)
I've been writing in the form 2012-02-01 on cheques etc for over a decade now - but nearly everyone here still writes 1/2/2012 and most paper forms still have the forward slashes in place.
It's an uphill battle - but I think gradually ISO 8601 may gain traction as the world shrinks due to the internet, increased travel and closer ties.

1542  Economy / Speculation / Re: $5 Mt. Gox price contest! 2BTC on: December 21, 2011, 11:37:15 AM
Please..  no ambiguous date formats.  (so far I don't see any.. I'm just preempting it)
We don't need another parochial whinger complaining about competition results because they didn't realize the planet is a little bigger than Iowa.

e.g  1/2/2012    is ambiguous.  In some parts of the word that's the 1st of February, in others its the 2nd of January.

I seem to be the only one so far who's used the basic ISO 8601 format.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601

For 1st Feb 2012 iso8601 format would be: 2012-02-01
for 2nd Jan 2012 iso8601 format would be: 2012-01-02  

edit: oh.. I see bitclown used a full ISO 8601 time.. nice Smiley
1543  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: It is time for an official protest on: December 21, 2011, 11:07:45 AM
Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey a kiddley divey too, wouldn't you? If the words sound queer and funny to your ear, a little bit jumbled and jivey sing mares eat oats and does eat oats and little lambs eat ivy.

I think it's better with "wouldn't you" as "wooden shoe" Smiley
1544  Economy / Speculation / Re: $5 Mt. Gox price contest! 2BTC on: December 21, 2011, 11:05:01 AM
2012-01-13
1545  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Location of next European Bitcoin Conference (London v Berlin) on: December 21, 2011, 04:39:57 AM
Wherever it's held.. can someone please put some focus on *timely* video  releases (or even just summaries/transcripts) for people who can't attend?

Video of presentations should be available within days.. not weeks/months.

I really think it's a squandered opportunity.
Lack of video and/or transcripts of keynote speeches is likely to reduce media/blogger interest in follow-up reporting on the event.
'Old news', even if novel, is well.. 'old'.
One of the key principles of journalism is timeliness - so if the conference appears as an information black hole for many days or weeks afterwards it's a lost opportunity to get any additional media commentary.

It also means the majority of the community is somewhat cut-off from discussing and considering the hot topics at the time, when they're fresh in the minds of attendees. Some potential for collaboration and momentum-building is surely lost.

Of course - if you really want to be up to speed and connect with the bitcoin world-shakers, you probably have to get to these things, but let's strive for a bit more  connectedness in what is after all a global digital currency.
1546  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Media update: new site on: December 21, 2011, 03:39:55 AM
Can you provide links to people like us whom hate bookmarks?

Same as before, http://bitcoinmedia.com/

whew... for a moment there I thought I'd have to dig through  'intracies buried deep in obscure IRC conversations, personal observations and long forum posts' to work out what this post was about.
1547  Other / Off-topic / Re: I Think I Got Screwed out of 5 BTC on: December 20, 2011, 05:46:39 PM
From hijacking the Thai baht symbol, to talk of 'the government' (as if there is only one) to ill-specified date/times...  the lack of global thinking around here needs to change.

That aside.. you didn't pay to participate.

Mods.. please lock/trash this thread for inflammatory title and general sliminess.
1548  Other / Off-topic / Re: I Think I Got Screwed out of 5 BTC on: December 20, 2011, 05:19:36 PM
Good grief.
Drop the americo-centrism people.
Bitcoin is global.  UTC is the *only* reasonable default.

Idiotic thread.

1549  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: December 20, 2011, 03:36:56 PM
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Solid BitCoin Consolidation Finally Bears A BitCoin Breakout

Trace Mayer,J.D
2011-12-19

http://www.runtogold.com/2011/12/solid-bitcoin-consolidation-finally-bears-a-bitcoin-breakout/

Watching this breakout and ensuing upleg in BitCoins is going to be exciting. Since the last rally in June there have been real life applications developed from mobile payments to massive online stores with hundreds of thousands of items, entrepreneurs have stepped in to accept BitCoins as payment, the client has been greatly improved, exchange security has been enhanced, with proper privacy hygiene your cryptographic hash is more secure than even a gold coin and more people understand what BitCoins are, how they work and why they want some.



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ABOUT THE AUTHOR: Trace Mayer, J.D., author of The Great Credit Contraction holds a degree in Accounting, a law degree from California Western School of Law and studies the Austrian school of economics. He works as an entrepreneur, investor, journalist and monetary scientist. He is a strong advocate of the freedom of speech, a member of the Society of Professional Journalists and the San Diego County Bar Association. He has appeared on ABC, NBC, BNN, radio shows and presented at many investment conferences throughout the world. T

1550  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: December 20, 2011, 04:42:53 AM
I count this posting as a notable source..

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Bitcoin rising from its own ashes

Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn
2011-12-19

https://plus.google.com/108313527900507320366/posts/QDga9NM3Dgp

snipped from wikipedia:
"Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn (born Bryce Wilcox), is a peer-to-peer hacker and cypherpunk known for his work on DigiCash, Mojo Nation, Mnet, Mixminion, and Tahoe-LAFS. He is the designer of multiple network protocols that incorporate such concepts as self-contained economies and secure reputation systems. He is the co-designer, along with Phil Zimmermann, of ZRTP.[1] Zooko is credited as the originator of Zooko's triangle, a schema that relates three desirable properties of identifiers."
1551  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: mtgox IP address lockouts - a bit extreme, or a good precaution?? on: December 20, 2011, 04:00:15 AM
agree with you on this, i've been looked out many times in the past until i realized it was the tor bridge causing me the problems. Helping chinese ppl jump over The Firewall can be a real pain in the ass sometimes.

btw, they told me it was impossible to reset the ban  Embarrassed

Yeah.. I still think it's set a bit too low.   Also - the user interface doesn't give an obvious response to every click on the login button - does that mean if you click it a few times you're using up attempts? I suspect so Sad


edit: I swear I got the password correct, (had it written down) but it wouldn't let me in. I had to reset it in the end.
1552  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: mtgox IP address lockouts - a bit extreme, or a good precaution?? on: December 20, 2011, 03:54:51 AM
Ok.. well the mtgox support team were pretty quick to respond - so that's good.

They say they saw 5 attempts..

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Our system automatically bans IPs after 10 failed login attempts for 24 hours. Unfortunately, we can not raise these limits manually since it is set for all accounts within our system. If you can not remember your password, we recommend you to generate a password recovery email. We apologize for any inconvenience caused.

I guess this is reasonable (though now that I've gone for a long password - I'm pretty likely to get it wrong a few times!)
They've been kind enough to reset it for me.
1553  Economy / Trading Discussion / mtgox IP address lockouts - a bit extreme, or a good precaution?? on: December 20, 2011, 03:45:14 AM
I've just had my fixed IP address banned for 24hrs by mtgox - and as far as I can tell I made 2 maybe 3 failed login attempts (presumably fat fingers, capitalisation errors or something)  (I also have a yubikey - but I can't get that far)

Now.. I suppose in theory there could be some trojan on my system trying to log in and therefore there were lots more attempts, but it seems unlikely.
Mtgox should surely report how many failed login attempts have been made.. no?

I'm pretty annoyed at being locked out so damn quickly.  Considering more than one person uses this machine to log in to mtgox, I would hope for an allowance of at least 10 or 20 failed logins - not 2 or 3.

Anyone else been locked out like this?
1554  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Blockchain.info - Bitcoin Block explorer & Currency Statistics on: December 19, 2011, 07:15:52 AM
Not that I want to give anybody any ideas, but can't people easily remove the 1% fee from the output of a transaction, given the way the transaction is constructed and signed on the client side? Like use a greasemonkey script or something that does it automatically? Are you just hoping that people won't do that, or is actually not possible somehow?

I don't know if it can be worked around - but I wish it were only 1%. 
It's 1% or 0.01 BTC ...   so for sub 1BTC amounts it's quite a high cut.

I'd hoped to use it as part of a demo to people about how easy it is to shuffle around money using Bitcoin.
Looks like I'll have to use amounts in the order of a few BTC rather than 0.x BTC so that it's not eaten up so quickly by fees.



If it's 1% of 0.01 BTC, 1 BTC is the equilibrium.  Send more than that and you pay MORE in fees.  Yes, it's less by percentage, but you're still spending more BTC on fees.  If you are minimizing fees on demo transactions it doesn't matter the amount as long as it is 1 BTC or less, you will pay the 0.01 BTC minimum.

The point in doing the demos is not really to minimize the total amount in fees... it's to minimize the perception that you're being ripped off just like ordinary banks do.
Also - I'd hoped to actually *give* the entire demo amount to the friend/family member in question - and I don't have enough BTC available at the moment to give multiple BTC to each person. 

I could have given 0.2 or so to a few people - but then the 0.01 fee becomes really obvious and lessens the impact of the demo.
I guess this is old problem of Bitcoin not really being suited to Microtransactions..   but at least with the default client there is only the network fee which is much smaller.





1555  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Blockchain.info - Bitcoin Block explorer & Currency Statistics on: December 19, 2011, 06:57:45 AM
Not that I want to give anybody any ideas, but can't people easily remove the 1% fee from the output of a transaction, given the way the transaction is constructed and signed on the client side? Like use a greasemonkey script or something that does it automatically? Are you just hoping that people won't do that, or is actually not possible somehow?

I don't know if it can be worked around - but I wish it were only 1%. 
It's 1% or 0.01 BTC ...   so for sub 1BTC amounts it's quite a high cut.

I'd hoped to use it as part of a demo to people about how easy it is to shuffle around money using Bitcoin.
Looks like I'll have to use amounts in the order of a few BTC rather than 0.x BTC so that it's not eaten up so quickly by fees.

1556  Economy / Speculation / Re: The rocket is secretly taking off! High 3.26, 20k BTC to $3.50 (up from $3.35) on: December 19, 2011, 05:00:15 AM
Is the Santa Manipulator still taking requests?
Please don't rally til after February..    my funds are tied up in other more boring things til then Sad
1557  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Blockchain.info - Bitcoin Block explorer & Currency Statistics on: December 19, 2011, 01:49:36 AM
Great to see the new QR code support.
It worked fine on an iPhone and windows pc.. but QR code popup didn't display the image on a friend's android device.

minor point on the popup..  it might be nice if the popup could be 'pinned'.. at the moment it only works as a mouse hover-over, so you can't copy/drag the QR code or get the path to the image.

It would also be nice to have an address shortener such as btc.to available next to each address.
(at least for the 'receive money' page - but would be even better if the 'send money' page would accept btc.to addresses too)

usecase e.g standing near someone's pc with a mobile phone - want to tell them the address to send BTC, but they don't have a camera and you don't want to have to send an email or get them to attempt to type the whole address string.
(also for payment instruction via voice call)
It's easy enough to just go to your favourite shortening service when you're on a desktop machine - but a bit of a hassle when on a mobile device.

1558  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is this the manipulator buying btc? on: December 17, 2011, 01:30:09 PM

We may have never seen 120k bitcoins demanded, but we've definitely seen more money on the bid side of things.  When the price was higher just a couple months ago there was a period of time when the bids outnumbered the asks by a lot and there was something like $700,000 of visible bid orders on MtGoxLive.  Versus ~$350,000 visible bid orders on MtGoxLive right now.

Yeah.. we've definitely seen some decisive moves in the opposite direction to that which would be intuitively predicted by looking at the bid/ask curves.
While I'd take a punt that the current bid dominance will provide a little upwards movement in the next few weeks, I wouldn't bet big on it.
1559  Economy / Speculation / Re: Max Keiser's campaign for a million new bitcoin users by the end of next year on: December 17, 2011, 01:22:44 PM
It appears to me that Max Keiser is cautious in his mentions of Bitcoin. 
He'll probably be supportive of it in the sense that he'll give it some decent commentary/air time if and when newsworthy items related to it come up.

1560  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: December 17, 2011, 12:45:45 PM
Just a passing mention of bitcoin in Business Insider

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A Quick Trip Inside Peter Thiel's Dream World

Matt Rosoff
2011-12-16

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-16/tech/30523955_1_work-visas-ocean-liner-singularity-institute


But overall, the night had an almost wild-eyed science-fiction feel to it. Some moments that stuck out:

I spoke to Seasteading president Michael Keenan for a few minutes about his group's dream of building a floating island off the cost of San Francisco and filing it with startups manned by workers who can't get full-time U.S. work visas. The group is working to buy a decommissioned ocean liner to park 12 miles off the coast of San Francisco, and has thought about issues like currency (U.S. dollars at first, but perhaps something like Bitcoin eventually) and a possible global economic downturn (it would reduce the pool of potential investors, but ocean liners would be really cheap!) But he admitted that they're still a long way from actually launching something that a reporter could actually tour and see. Maybe in 2013.


Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-16/tech/30523955_1_work-visas-ocean-liner-singularity-institute#ixzz1gnNkw2kA

Also appears on SFGate 'home of the San Francisco Chronicle'
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/12/16/businessinsidera-quick-trip-inside-.DTL
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