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3  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculators causing immense price swings: go fuck yourselves on: February 15, 2012, 09:04:22 AM
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theres not much to learn when all I did was decide not to wait for 6 confirmations, and went to sleep instead. thats like saying I deserve to lose money if Im not holding it tightly with both hands, 24/7.

now fuck off trying to talk to me like if I dont know how this works. this was just simply another fuckup making people not want to do business in btc. in all likelihood, this is causing most people to not want to use btc.

If this guy new "how it works" he would have shorted the amount of bitcoins he held while he slept.  That would have kept his BTC/USD exchange rate that he wanted at that moment fixed.

1.  He has 100 BTC valued at $550.
2.  He sells 100 BTC on Bitconica for $550
3.  The value of bitcoins drops to $4.50
4.  He wakes up and sees his Mtgox value of bitcoins is now $450
5.  He then goes on Bitcoinica and sees he has a profit of $100.
6.  He buys back the bitcoins on Bitcoinica and moves his $100 to Mtgox
7.  Now he has 100 Bitcoins worth $450 and $100.

$450 + $100 = $550

He would have lost no money if he knew what he was doing.  If an Iowan farmer knows how to hedge his corn then so should bitcoin accepting merchants with the ease of use of Bitcoinica.


I was trolling previously and expected to get banned Smiley
I still appreciate the serious replies.

Bitcoinica has unfortunately high spreads, and doing what you mentioned would make me lose around 5%. although it is a viable way of doing it.

however, it still doesnt solve the issue that I had to wait for 6 confirmations. I just happened to make the decision of sleeping rather than waiting for new blocks.

what I was really pissed about is how people instantly behave like a flock, in regards to btc. people are willing to sell their coins at huge losses, which is completely unreasonable. it just gives me this vibe of very inexperienced, emotional and stressed out people crapping their pants as fast as a large trade happens. and then as previously mentioned, this triggers behavior from bots (and possibly a chain reaction of liquidations in bitcoinica)

although I kept the btc, and it has gone back up to 4.8. things do seem brighter.

anyway, this thread should get binned or modified, I certainly didnt behave nice here Tongue
4  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculators causing immense price swings: go fuck yourselves on: February 14, 2012, 11:21:52 PM
how about after this cathartic learning experience you also change your martyr forum ID: guywhogotgoxed
to: guywhogotrapedforeternitybyspeculators
victim syndrome or what
PS - don't lock ur $ up, especially in volatile markets, if ur going to need them at short notice - lesson learned, move on
& as previous poster, I'm down atm probably about 100 times what you are & I blame no one & it's what I risk managed
for better or worse - just happens to be seems worse atm
Ill promise to blame you for whatever reason I happen to lose money again.

I'd be honored as people mostly only learn through their mistakes the hard way & so evolution would be served, though it needn't be this way if you took full responsibility for every single aspect of your reality instead of seeming to serially find some boggy man to blame for your screw ups, then compounded by rage at the system - anyway wishing you all the best as it is all for the best 7 always was

ffs - Jessie alarm bear just kicked in @ $4.50, bloody ironic gods of Fortuna ftfw
wise master, I am subordinate to you and will probably never reach the level of wisdom you have acquired.

now go fuck yourself too, random ass wise guy
5  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculators causing immense price swings: go fuck yourselves on: February 14, 2012, 10:45:21 PM
how about after this cathartic learning experience you also change your martyr forum ID: guywhogotgoxed
to: guywhogotrapedforeternitybyspeculators
victim syndrome or what
PS - don't lock ur $ up, especially in volatile markets, if ur going to need them at short notice - lesson learned, move on
& as previous poster, I'm down atm probably about 100 times what you are & I blame no one & it's what I risk managed
for better or worse - just happens to be seems worse atm
Ill promise to blame you for whatever reason I happen to lose money again.
6  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculators causing immense price swings: go fuck yourselves on: February 14, 2012, 10:35:57 PM
nah Im fine now, just wanted to let some steam out.

Hope as many speculators as possible got offended. If you didnt, send me a pm and Ill try my best.

You didn't offend me for one. You are responsible for your own actions, if that was so important you should take time to move the coins earlier, not on 3am. Then you make a fool of yourself on the forums insulting everybody like it was everybody's fault.

Oh, and about the guy that you've linked that shorted 17k. Don't think that he only was responsible for the drop to 4.8. 17k short on Bitcoinica is WAY to small to do this. Believe me, I had more than that and market hardly moved.

cant help if I received the coins 3am.

I do believe that guy was responisble for the drop to 4.8 since it happened very quickly. In all likelihood it caused many other people to get liquidated (and we know many people were long, as the asterisk was there). it also must have cause other bots to go frenzy, and we know there are many of them.
I dont trust you at all buddy, 17k in bitcoinica isnt small at all. it will cause spikes, and possibly a chain reaction of liquidations.
7  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculators causing immense price swings: go fuck yourselves on: February 14, 2012, 10:21:05 PM

One last thing, if it wasn't for the speculators how long do you think you would have to wait around for someone to buy your bitcoins?
as long time as it takes for someone who needs bitcoins to buy my ask. A day? but no, civilized behavior is not accepted in btc trading Tongue

And what if no one was willing to buy them from you for exactly the same price you got them? You would sell them for a loss, or just let them sit there while people are buying and selling bitcoins for a dollar less?

in all likelihood, if the majority of all trades werent for speculative purposes (bitcoinicas bot, other peoples bots, speculators etc) then no, I dont believe $1000 in btc would take so long to get sold that the price would fluctuate more than it did today.

but then again, since BTCUSD has always been affected by speculation, who knows what it would be like if the majority of trades werent for speculative purposes? lets end the discussion there. we have no idea of how it would have been.
8  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculators causing immense price swings: go fuck yourselves on: February 14, 2012, 10:15:50 PM
nah Im fine now, just wanted to let some steam out.

Hope as many speculators as possible got offended. If you didnt, send me a pm and Ill try my best.
9  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculators causing immense price swings: go fuck yourselves on: February 14, 2012, 10:11:17 PM
do you mean my decision of wanting to sleep, 3am in the morning, instead of waiting for 6 confirmations, was a bad decision?
i think  you dint understand my point of view, if the money was your first priority then yes you did made a bad decision if sleeping was your first priority then you dint make a mistake
right. now go fuck off.

Those who argue that there would have not been a rally to begin with (i.e. without leveraging) are kidding themselves.  

Here's my stance on the leverage debate.

Momentum is the biggest part of any price movement.  You can see this very clearly in the charts... the big trends last for months.  If we had not had leverage, we would have had a slower rise (and perhaps even from a lower bottom), but the price would have kept rising instead of running into a brick wall.  We definitely could have gotten past $7 without Bitcoinica.

I've said it before, but with Bitcoin if you're smart enough it's relatively easy to "beat the market."

This isn't the stock market.  There's countless fewer variables to consider and as such it's infinitely easier to isolate market variables.  This also means that the variables you can isolate have a much more deterministic impact on the market.  Deconstructing the Bitcoin market compared to the stock market is like someone asking you to guess the number of jellybeans in a jar vs. the number of jellybeans in a swimming pool just by glancing at them.

The ONLY time I've gotten somewhat fucked was a few weeks ago when everything snowballed on Bitcoinica.  Why did I get fucked?  I wasn't even aware that the asterisk could be an issue.  Well, it's turned out to be a huge issue.  The downward movement today was completely expected and that's why I didn't lose anything.  But seriously, Bitcoinica's gotta figure out its reserve issues.

The Bitcoin market is a system.  All systems need homeostasis to stabilize, and that means balancing systemic input and output.  Bitcoinica really fucks with the input and output.

I think the problem is mtgox's orderbooks are very thin. at this moment, any speculator can go in bitcoinica with 1000btc, shortsell with 1:10 leverage, and cause the price to go to low 4.xx. The orderbooks just need to muscle up and be able to handle dumps of a couple thousand coins.


Remember this guy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=59969.0  ? see how fucktard speculators (and this was a true fucktard, from head to toes) can fuck many people over in seconds. Hell, even if I was waiting for the confirmations during that moment, Id still get fucked in that scenario.

One last thing, if it wasn't for the speculators how long do you think you would have to wait around for someone to buy your bitcoins?
as long time as it takes for someone who needs bitcoins to buy my ask. A day? but no, civilized behavior is not accepted in btc trading Tongue
10  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculators causing immense price swings: go fuck yourselves on: February 14, 2012, 10:02:48 PM
Fuck all of you dipshit motherfuckers who have the power to make my assets lose over 10% overnight. I never even had a fucking chance to sell. Problem is I need the cash right now, not the coins, and am forced to sell cheap.

I hope you get all raped in hell for eternity.

um, don't you check things out before parking your cash in them, Bitcoin is famous for it's volatility with price swings of 25 to 30% in very short time periods being the norm, if you have a need for your cash to not do this to you then perhaps you shouldn't be putting it in to Bitcoins, simple - US $ do a good job of just draining away slowly without daily 10% leaps & bounds up & down

Don't blame others for your lack of due diligence, it just compounds your failure, live & learn

lol at hoping the 'Fucktard bitch' you owe doesn't mind you being in default & running the tab on the gyrations of Bitcoins wild chances of paying him back
hell get his money, now I just have to make up with an extra $100 through wire or something.
as Ive said before, I have done my due diligence, I just happened to end up not selling some coins instantly, and sleeping over it. trust me, next time I wont be going to sleep when I hold coins, cause I know speculating fucks are out there to fuck me over any moment.
11  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculators causing immense price swings: go fuck yourselves on: February 14, 2012, 09:58:15 PM
Those who argue that there would have not been a rally to begin with (i.e. without leveraging) are kidding themselves.  

Here's my stance on the leverage debate.

Momentum is the biggest part of any price movement.  You can see this very clearly in the charts... the big trends last for months.  If we had not had leverage, we would have had a slower rise (and perhaps even from a lower bottom), but the price would have kept rising instead of running into a brick wall.  We definitely could have gotten past $7 without Bitcoinica.

sorry friend but you are assuming things that never happened. we have no idea what would happen if bitcoinica wasnt here. (btc price fluctuated wildly before bitcoinica.)

Coming into bitcoin with any sort of dependence on its fiat value is foolhardy, and can only be counter-balanced by directing all aggression toward diligently learning the market, even if you never speculated on anything, and even if you'd rather not speculate.  This is a hard fact I have learned through experience.

tldr -- nut up or shut up.
theres not much to learn when all I did was decide not to wait for 6 confirmations, and went to sleep instead. thats like saying I deserve to lose money if Im not holding it tightly with both hands, 24/7.

now fuck off trying to talk to me like if I dont know how this works. this was just simply another fuckup making people not want to do business in btc. in all likelihood, this is causing most people to not want to use btc.

the first rule of eve is dont fly what you can afford to lose, yes that is eve-online rule and if that apply on a game also apply on real life


also grow up, many of us the speculators did lose money got mad and so on but i dint see ppl insulting other ppl just because they made a bad decision  
do you mean my decision of wanting to sleep, 3am in the morning, instead of waiting for 6 confirmations, was a bad decision?

also, I dont care if other speculators dont go around insulting others for their losses. Im going to tell you assholes that you are assholes anyway.

at least point me to some automated software that works well with the APIs of some exchanges. as I said before I dont know how to program. maybe some kind of integration of API commands, as an addon to the bitcoin client, would be a good way to help people avoiding situations like these.

you would not be raging if you just made a limit order and sent your bitcoin.  It would automatically sell when your account received BTC.

intersango doesnt let me place orders without coins in my acct. gox does, but you know, Ive been goxed and wont give in and use the damn exchange again. no way that french fuck in japan will make any money off me again.


Well, would you be just as angry if the price had jumped to $6.50?

Maybe there is a way to do it quicker for people in your situation.
no, I would have thought "why are these idiots giving me more money than I ask for?" because it feels completely unreal that the price is moving so rapidly. how the fuck is the btc economy going to work if I cant survive without having a bot doing all the moves for me?
as I said before, I dont want to profit that way, because when I do, one way or another the extra cash is coming from some other poor fellow.

at least point me to some automated software that works well with the APIs of some exchanges. as I said before I dont know how to program. maybe some kind of integration of API commands, as an addon to the bitcoin client, would be a good way to help people avoiding situations like these.

Agreed, it would be useful. There is probably a simple bot like this available somewhere. Also, like someone else said, you realize that selling 100 bitcoins is going to move the market right? Doing it right now would drop the value 10 cents.
that is, if I sell into the bids. I know very well not to do this, and place asks close to the bids, and wait (like a civilized person).



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12  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculators causing immense price swings: go fuck yourselves on: February 14, 2012, 09:46:09 PM
Why do you play with assets if you can't manage loosing some money?
Im not playing. I just happened to need the cash.

Actually, fuck all of you. not selling the coins. I owe some fucktard some money but Ill probably choke the bitch out if he asks me why he wont get it by next week. Price better go fucking up.

And why are you so aggressive with your language?
because I truly mean it.

this is why we have wild price swings... people need their money, its Choke A Fucktard Bitch day!
do people really need tens of thousands of BTC, instantly? and when they do this, do they have to throw them right into the bids?

of course it isnt people "needing their money". its bitcoinica liquidating people most likely. I havent followed bitcoinicas daily volume (and % of that in mtgox) to confirm the selloffs were bitcoinicas bot, but I have a feeling its most likely that.
13  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculators causing immense price swings: go fuck yourselves on: February 14, 2012, 09:43:30 PM
I didn't lose a dime, and though I don't have as much anger as you're presenting, I am prone to agree with OP.

I really think the primary reason we're not in the $7's or $8's right now is because Bitcoinica's asterisk likes to intervene and kill momentum.

Those who argue that there would have not been a rally to begin with (i.e. without leveraging) are kidding themselves.  
yes, this is just plain stupid. just like when that dumbfuck guy tried to screw everyone over (and did) in bitcoinica, shorting huge amounts and causing price to go from 6.xx to 4.xx, then calling bitcoinica criminals (LOL). its just too easy for any random retard with a couple thousand to completely fuck the market up.

Why do you play with assets if you can't manage loosing some money?
Im not playing. I just happened to need the cash.

Actually, fuck all of you. not selling the coins. I owe some fucktard some money but Ill probably choke the bitch out if he asks me why he wont get it by next week. Price better go fucking up.

Just pay fucktard in Bitcoin...
its cool, I have the money Im just upset I lost $100.

Fuck all of you dipshit motherfuckers who have the power to make my assets lose over 10% overnight. I never even had a fucking chance to sell. Problem is I need the cash right now, not the coins, and am forced to sell cheap.

I hope you get all raped in hell for eternity.

Trading Rule #1: Never ever invest more than you can afford to lose.
thinking rule #1: dont accuse me of things i never did. i did not "invest", and I can afford to lose 100x the money, doesnt mean Ill be happy if I lose a smaller amount.

Well, would you be just as angry if the price had jumped to $6.50?

Maybe there is a way to do it quicker for people in your situation.
no, I would have thought "why are these idiots giving me more money than I ask for?" because it feels completely unreal that the price is moving so rapidly. how the fuck is the btc economy going to work if I cant survive without having a bot doing all the moves for me?
as I said before, I dont want to profit that way, because when I do, one way or another the extra cash is coming from some other poor fellow.

at least point me to some automated software that works well with the APIs of some exchanges. as I said before I dont know how to program. maybe some kind of integration of API commands, as an addon to the bitcoin client, would be a good way to help people avoiding situations like these.
14  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculators causing immense price swings: go fuck yourselves on: February 14, 2012, 09:36:36 PM
Why do you play with assets if you can't manage loosing some money?
Im not playing. I just happened to need the cash.

Actually, fuck all of you. not selling the coins. I owe some fucktard some money but Ill probably choke the bitch out if he asks me why he wont get it by next week. Price better go fucking up.

And why are you so aggressive with your language?
because I truly mean it.
15  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculators causing immense price swings: go fuck yourselves on: February 14, 2012, 09:33:37 PM
Why do you play with assets if you can't manage loosing some money?
Im not playing. I just happened to need the cash.

Actually, fuck all of you. not selling the coins. I owe some fucktard some money but Ill probably choke the bitch out if he asks me why he wont get it by next week. Price better go fucking up.
16  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculators causing immense price swings: go fuck yourselves on: February 14, 2012, 09:30:46 PM
And if you went short and made 10% overnight, you'd probably be quite smug about it.
I dont fucking want to speculate, asshole. I dont want to make money off speculation. that is also the reason to why I dont like losing money like this.
17  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculators causing immense price swings: go fuck yourselves on: February 14, 2012, 09:29:04 PM
I sent them to the exchange but it takes approximately an hour for 6 confirmations. I had to go to sleep yesterday, you know, waiting for new blocks is not my hobby. not a programmer so I dont have any bot to do the work.

regarding what I needed the coins for, mind your own fucking business.
18  Economy / Speculation / Re: Its called a correction on: February 14, 2012, 09:27:01 PM
I dont care what the fuck its called

all I care about is you dipshit speculators made me lose $100 within hours, while I was asleep.
19  Economy / Speculation / Speculators causing immense price swings: go fuck yourselves on: February 14, 2012, 09:24:58 PM
Fuck all of you dipshit motherfuckers who have the power to make my assets lose over 10% overnight. I never even had a fucking chance to sell. Problem is I need the cash right now, not the coins, and am forced to sell cheap.

I hope you get all raped in hell for eternity.
20  Economy / Economics / Re: Germany able to borrow money at negative interest on: January 31, 2012, 11:40:18 AM
Germans are earning money while borrowing them  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


Why does this surprise you?  In an uncertain world, the Germans (and the UK and US) offer certainty that you will get 98% of your money back.  Where else can you get that certainty?
Spot on. You actually will get the money back! ha ha ha
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