Would you call a mugging with a compliant victim peaceful? I don't, but maybe I need a different word to get across what I mean.

Mob size is the virtue of a democracy, I suggest we try something else.

That's right. 

Breaking in is the time you are at risk. Don't damage anything and repair it immediately if you do. Criminal don't dust houses they break into, criminals don't make themselves a cup of tea.

Don't piss the owner off, improve the place and don't be a jerk if the owner comes around. If he does come, don't act guilty, don't panic. Say the truth, you've been living here, you've been maintaining the place. Ask does he need the property vacated now or should you keep maintaining it?

He went home right after finals, he'll be back in a day or two. He's Amish and there is no internet at his parents house.

A zerohedge article form today says intrinsic value should be 0, but gold will do as a substitute. The article pretty much describes the problem to which bitcoin is a solution.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-gold-improbable-answer-life-universe-and-everything

Yeah, I hadn't even thought of that, but there is no reason that it needs to be all or nothing for the site. Maybe the site operator could front the money for the first few months as a promotional expense so that everyone knows what it's about and then sellers could opt in or not and the size of the kickback pool would be based on that.

I doubt it. Either it won't be a problem because it won't be profitable or it will be profitable and they'll do it themselves until it isn't and/or raise their rates.

I don't know if this is worth it's own thread so I'll put it here to get reactions, it's just an idea I had that might work well with bitcoin. I'm not suggesting you do this biddingpoind, I think the "normal" auction site is an excellent service, and this idea is a bit of a game.

So I noticed that I kind of like bidding on thing, even things I don't really need. But, even though I like to click the bid button, I usually wait until near the end since there is little reason to go early and I think some good reasons to wait. One was mentioned, bitcoin value can rise a lot in a few days even and I'd hate to pay 70BTC for a $25 Jack in the Box card and have the BTC go to parity before it even ships to me. Another reason is my fellow bidders psychology. They may decide some piece of art is worth 120BTC to them and bid it thinking that it's as high as they want to go. If I wait and outbid them at the last second then they won't have time to change their mind, if I go early they have plenty of time to reason, "Well, someone else thinks it's worth more, maybe it is after all, hmm, okay I'll go a little higher and see if I can get it", but they are less likely to outbid themselves without the stimulus of my beating them. So this leads to sniping, which isn't bad, except maybe for the seller if they get a lower price because some people who might have gone higher didn't have time.

Okay, the idea. Pay people to bid and/or pay people for being the leading bidder for a length of time. The beauty of doing this with bitcoin is that you can require bidders to have the money on account with the auction site so that people cannot freeroll by collecting payments for bidding and defaulting if they win. However much the bid is, that much will be locked up until it is paid to the seller or someone else outbids.

Now instead of paying directly you could have a point scheme and pay people according to their ranking and this way you could know the total compensation you would owe per month or whatever. So pick some amount to spend on this promotion say 1000BTC and then if someone has 4% of the total points at the end of the month they get 40BTC credited to their account.

I think this will get people to do a number of things that will be great for the site. Bidders will watch the site all the time, knowing that even if something pops up that they don't really want, they can earn points for putting in a bid. Only the worst imaginable items will go bidless, sellers will appreciate this. Also people will not wait until the last minutes which I believe will lead to higher final prices. The whole thing will feel more like a game too and the uniqueness of it should lead to some extra word of mouth. People who do find things that they like may be more inclined to go higher since they are also getting a kickback for it, and may have previous bonuses to spend. People can convince themselves that the points are worth more than they really are when they are looking for a reason to bid. Then can even tell the wife, "whoops, I didn't mean to win, only trying to snag a few points, sorry"

Anyway, feedback please. Or even better, implement it so I can see if it's as good as it looks to me.

You have a previous lease, and verifiable payments towards the landowner, which means they have to pursue eviction proceedings to forcibly remove you from the home. If you were not ever a legal resident they can remove you from the land IMMEDIATELY.

Why is everyone telling me to break the law? I want to live an honest legal life....
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There is no way to tell a legal resident from an illegal one without a hearing and it would be a civil hearing. If you didn't even show you would get a default judgement to vacate and that would be all. I don't suddenly become an illegal occupant if my toddler eats my lease. And you aren't automatically an illegal just because you can't produce a copy.

You can't live a legal life anyway, the law is enormous, contradictory, and ambiguous.

If the $/BTC goes up without difficulty going up then it makes it more profitable to buy/rent computing power in order to mine. But when people do that the difficulty will go up.

My guess is that [value of a coin]/difficulty will decrease over time because people will find the most efficient mining set ups, best chips, cheapest electricity, etc. So if you can't profitably mine right now, you probably never will. But other people will continually have better and cheaper methods so difficulty will continue to rise.

Ah, sorry, I didn't see that at first. I think we do mean the same thing. And now I realize that it kind of defeats the point.

The government doesn't exist and the relevant individuals don't have the incentives necessary to keep them secure apparently, not surprising to me.

Double bonus points from me not existing legally and existing physically in two unrelated jurisdictions so called.

Could this be solved by prepping addresses to have the correct amounts so that there will be no change?
 

Don't put in a 33 cent offer to sell when there is a 35 cent offer to buy.

If both parties get what they offered or better it doesn't matter anyway.

I recently made some bids and even won an item. I think there is some serious miscommunication here. Maybe I can help.

Say someone has a high bid of 8BTC and you decide the thing is worth 20BTC to you so you type in 20. Instead of actually bidding 20 for you immediately it bids 8 plus whatever increment, say 9. If this ends up being the last bid you get the thing for 9, saving you 11. If someone comes in with a bid of 15, your bid instantly shows up over theirs as 16. They are annoyed because it tells them that wasn't enough. They bid 25 since this is above your 20 they are now in the lead, showing 21 for now. Get it?

Nothing nefarious is going on here. I believe it is a little different than ebay though I haven't been there in a while. I think Ebay allows you to place an immediate bid and a max bid, which is silly imo, but apparently makes it more clear.

I think a big bubble would be bad for getting wide adoption as quickly as possible. Increased variance is an actual cost, and it is exaggerated in a lot of people's minds. Once it exceeds a certain threshold they write it off as gambling. I'm not saying that is correct thinking, but it's a really common psychology.

You just need to get into the right frame of mind and there is nothing that a cop can/will do except maybe make you leave if the property owner insists.

I'm renting now, if I lose the contract, which I may have, I'd be in the exact same legal situation as you (provided that you are not caught in the act of breaking in). Living where you are not permitted is a civil matter and the ultimate penalty is eviction.

I've hardly thought about this at all, but there are plenty of things you can do to help yourself. Figure out the name of the owner, can't be that hard, maybe it's on the mailbox, maybe it's on the internet. Say that you have a cash deal with Jerry. Act like you live there, dust the place. If it seems stable maybe turn on the internet and pay the bill. Don't feel guilty, improve the place, don't damage it.

I'm not saying you should definitely do this, only that it isn't impossible or a terrible idea like you think. 

What is the benefit of having an orders appear at all? What would happen if they were all dark pools?

I suppose we would get in the habit of making offers that we thought we're absurdly good for ourselves to see if they fill, then make them a little better a little at a time until they get taken or we don't want to go any lower. Fumbling around in the dark so to speak. But ultimately what's changed? The impatient pay more or get less, maybe it's a good way to price discriminate. They aren't likely to leave for another market over it since they aren't too price sensitive anyway.

And you will report the trades (volume and price) after the fact like MtGox, correct?

Indeed, a choice seems to make sense.

I could imagine someone thinking "Pff, why bother for fake money", but then "Oh, I can get 'real' money" and then, "Cool, I has money, what exactly is this all about?"