The numbers with Mintpal are pretty scary right now. Anyone who just jumped on Mintpal to look at buying MINTCOIN for the first time will see a gigantic, never-ending sea of sell walls.



The only thing that can plow through those kind of numbers is suddenly having a lot more adoption with a good percentage of people deciding to hold their coins instead of flipping them 10 sats higher than they bought them for.

The two things Mintcoin has looming that would be good for the coin are the Android wallet with PoS capability, and the Mintcoin fund.

Both of these things are great, but will be useless without wide-spread publicity. We will need marketing efforts to go along with the efforts already being put in to other aspects of the coin. We could build a giant Mintcoin Transformer that can fly, but the price of Mintcoin would not go up unless people knew about it.

Are there any plans already in place for developing media contacts, contracting article writers, getting large twitter accounts involved, etc? If the android wallet is close, there is greater need to get marketing ready now.

With the right exposure, we can all have a great time watching adoption, and thus price, rise.



We need some pretty Mintcoin cheerleaders or something. 

I was there when the blocks started spitting out 400,000 coin rewards. There were a handful of miners mining, and they got a LOT of the coins. Many millions of those coins were sold at very cheap prices (3-10 Sat) on Bittrex as miners dumped coins. The fork then caused issues as the bad nodes from the wallets of completely oblivious people were kept open and were confusing the network. People were freaking out and wondering what the hell was happening, and it was chaos on the boards. There was a dedicated community of coders and miners and such hanging out in IRC trying to fix all the issues.

Since then, the wallet has been fixed, at least as far as I am concerned (no problems since i started using new wallet and avoid bad nodes). The coin shot up on the Mintpal voting boards and brought renewed interest. The dev has been way more present here on the boards of late, and things have been working much better. There are bad nodes still causing issues for people with bad nodes in their Conf files. Luckily, that issue is known, and is addressed when brought up here on the boards.

So there was no instamine. The miners mined for several days until the fix could be made so that the fork would work. So when the decision came to either re-launch the coin (and piss off a LOT of people) or to fork, they chose to fork, which caused more issues.

We are now coming OUT of the tailspin and are on an upward trend. For people like me, who were present and involved during the "dark days", the huge coding issue made it possible to buy many more coins that we otherwise would have been able to afford (the old price was ~200 sat pre-problems).

So in essence, due to the issues, the coins were released in large numbers very suddenly in to the market. They were bought up, and now people are itching to sell them at the much higher prices. We are seeing some dumpage, but not much. This tells me the first day on Mintpal could be pretty scary. We shall see how the coin fares when the large holders decide to exit, and how quickly.

If the fork issues can be for the large part resolved (there may always be one bad node out there), and the charity aspect gets implemented, and the marketing is done right, then the coin has a lot of possibility.

Hope the summarized history helps some people avoid going through dozens of pages from over a month ago.

My son made this for Mintcoin. 

How's it going?

Wow! That is a nice little community I had not heard of. Lots of helpful posts on those boards! Thanks for mentioning Mintcoin!

Damn Paspi, that is some GREAT news.

Doh! So I guess the -checknode=0 wasn't doing anything all along! LOL! I got that from a suggestion in IRC weeks ago.

If the -checknode=0 was useless, it must be that I kept the conf file out of my %appdata% folder that allowed me to avoid bad nodes. Where/what addresses does the wallet try to connect to if there is no conf file? Perhaps just leaving out the conf file altogether will work for most people?

(I edited my previous post now that I realize the -checknode=0 was not actually doing anything  )

I am glad the solution worked for some people!

Here are step-by-step instructions for people who are not tech-savy and are  unaware how to fix the wallet:

So here is what I did that worked a few weeks ago and has worked with wallet updates since:

The problem seems to be that some people are still using the bad nodes/addresses from the previous fork. These addresses are kept in a file called the "conf" (short for "configuration") file in the %appdata%/cleanwatercoin folder. If a person using the bad addresses is connecting to a node you are connecting to, it will confuse the network and make funny things happen. Commanding your wallet to avoid connecting to nodes with bad behavior is the goal of these instructions.


1. You will need to access your roaming data folder if you have previously installed a wallet: to do this click on START and in the "search" field at the bottom of the START menu, type %appdata% and hit the ENTER button on your keyboard. You will be presented with a list of folders. Open the "cleanwatercoin" folder.
2. In the folder you will see a file called WALLET.DAT. THIS IS WHERE YOUR COINS ARE. COPY THIS FILE TO SAFE LOCATION IN CASE YOU DO SOMETHING WRONG.
3. Delete everything but your wallet.dat file from the %appdata%/cleanwatercoin folder.
4. Download the newest version of the wallet from the links provided in the original post of this thread.
5. Delete any previous shortcuts to wallet folders, and/or the old wallet folders themselves.
6. Unzip the new wallet to the desired destination.
7. You will see a "cleanwatercoin.conf" file in the wallet folder. You can just leave it there or delete it. DON'T put it in you %appdata%/cleanwatercoin folder, or it will attempt to connect to nodes in the .conf file.
8. Start up your wallet. Let it sync. If your coins aren't showing up after it syncs, make sure you had your original wallet.dat folder in the %appdata%cleanwatercoin folder before you started the wallet.



If the DOWNLOADABLE WALLET to just not have a conf file there at all, this post may become unnecessary to fix things?

Good luck.  

I think people are waiting to see something "new" from Mintcoin before they buy it. Those sell walls will only come down with new adoption, and lots of it.

Perhaps we could get a screen-shot-laden update from our android developer to interest new blood?

I was there early to see all of the issues unfold. I sold most of my coins and went away for a few weeks, peeking in every now and then to see how things were coming along.

That being said, yesterday, after not using the wallet at all since the 9th, I was able to delete everything but my wallet.dat, and install the newest wallet without any issues. I was able to open the wallet and watched it synch (very quickly I might add) with no issues. It shows my balance correctly, and I have had no synching issues at all since. I have not tried to send anything as there is a 0.98 balance in the wallet, and my other coins are sitting in the 100-400 sat range on Bittrex and I don't want to disturb their chi.

I think the key for me has been to not use a conf. file, and just change your wallet qt name so it contains the -checknode=0  command. That seems to eliminate all possibility of the bad nodes messing with your wallet when you open it up, and for whatever reason, keeps it running once it is up.


Please let me know if you tried the above and it did not work for you. You MAY have coins from the old fork in your wallet.dat, which would mean the coins were no good and it may be confusing to watch the wallet deal with that issue if you didn't know what was happening.

My condolences to anyone stuck with bad coins.

Has anyone else been successful by not using a conf file and instead using the "checknode=0 option?

People will not buy the coin unless they see a chance for it to grow, thus improving their investment and making them money.

The reason people recently started buying the coin in larger numbers is because they saw it at the top of the Mintpal voting list, and wanted to make a quick buck off the initial pump that always happens upon a coins release.

Also, there was blatant bait&switch market tactics going on at Bittrex right before the coin went to Mintpal. In other words, someone with a lot of 365 coin and some BTC to throw around was driving the price up on Bittrex. I watched it happen for several days, driving the price up 3-4 BTC.

This is a pattern that has been in place since the exchanges initiated voting system where users could easily see which coin was about to be added, giving them time to go to other exchanges and buy up the coins cheaply.

When the coin was released to Mintpal, the people who first got their coin over there sold a few at 29 BTC, (it could have been someone buying from themselves to try and set a price precedent) as idiot buyers who didn't know the current ceiling on Bittrex bought some up. Then, people started putting in the lower sell orders and the price came back down. The pump went from 5 BTC to 9 BTC, and then the bots came in and drove price back down.

The issue ever since is lack of interest in the coin. There are now plenty of sellers waiting for the price to rise, but no buyers to make it do that.

This is because people expect the coin to have SOMETHING on the horizon that hints at a value increase. With no use or purpose to male the coin work, and nothing "just around the corner" to keep people interested, the coin has no life.

If this is an "open source" coin and does not have central leadership or funding, it is going to need a much more active community to see the price increases it has the potential to see. Until then, this will end up a P&D coin.

So now we need to attract coders, artists, graphics/ad people, people with large twitter accounts, community leaders to get Reddit going, etc etc etc.

Otherwise.....things are going to be veeeeery slow around here between pumps.

In the meantime, I think the 3 BTC floor we are seeing is good, because that means the miners don't want to sell lower than that due to it not being profitable. So that is a "real" floor that should trend upward as difficulty increases. That is the brilliant part of the Bitcoin idea. It pays you what your effort is worth, and nobody else gets to decide what that worth is. It is all up to the collective as a whole to set the price. The more miners, the more difficult, the more distributed the wealth is, and the more each coin is worth due to more people seeing it as valuable. This will likely be attracting interest from outside as people see the charts show a rising trend vs. the negative ones we saw recently.

SO, in short.

1. Price should slowly go up if miners continue mining while slowly increasing the hash.

2. If you want anything more than that, somebody with some skills I don't have is going to have to step up and do some interesting things.

3. If there is no pre-mine fund or some equivalent, this will have to be funded by either donations from the community for bounties (tiresome, as it usually ends up being less than 10 community members doing all the donating), or by people who are able and willing to put some extra time in to coding/photoshopping/writing/etc without compensation for their work (hopefully, the value of their investment increasing will be the reward).

I made this up this evening. It only makes sense if the charity aspect is up and running, but here it is none-the-less.

My wallet synched fine and has remained synched for awhile now.

So here is what I did that worked.

1. Backed up wallet.dat.
2. Deleted everything but wallet.dat from %appdata%/cleanwatercoin folder.
3. Unzipped new wallet to desktop.
4. Renamed cleanwatercoin -qt_4.exe to cleanwatercoin -qt_4 -checknode=0.exe
5. Kept conf file in wallet folder to avoid any specific node issues. If you Move the CONF file to the %appdata%/cleanwatercoin folder, it will use the nodes in the conf file.

It may be that the nodes in the conf file, or in most users conf file, is bad. They need to either update the conf file or remove it altogether and use my method above. I do not know if that works for solo miners or not, as I do not solo mine.

I havent used the wallet for awhile, so I will try a fresh install with just my wallet.dat in the %appdata%/cleanwatercoin folder. I will also keep the conf file OUT of the %appdata% folder, and rename the exe to Cleanwatercoin -qt -checknode=0.exe and see if that makes it synch on the first try. It has helped in the past to keep the conf file out and use the checknode.

I performed the above, and right now it says it is synching to block 24880.

I applaud your commitment to the coin community. I have no reason to doubt your sincerity, except for previous experiences making me very skeptical of "pay for vote" systems.

Might I suggest making a ladder of monthly plans for users? A certain number of "free" transactions per month for x amount of transactions if you have the "Silver" plan, etc. ..old hat but people are familiar with it.

Also, does the online wallet have PoS support?

While there are real-world uses for online wallets (being able to access coins from a coffee shop computer while on vacation), and it would be nice for Mintcoin to be accessible from some of them, there will CERTAINLY be a fair number of these services starting up this year.

So if there will be more and more online wallets starting up and looking for customers, what will they have to do to attract them?

Answer: Support lots of coins to draw in as many users as possible, so they can grow a user base and become profitable through whatever fee structure they have in place.

The USERS WHO DECIDE TO USE THE SERVICE should be the ones "paying the rent" so to speak through usage fees. Why should the coin community pay for the ability for Joe Shmoe to use an online wallet when the online wallet makers will be making money off of Joe Shmoe himself?

There is ZERO reason to throw money at a service to get your coin on the service, since there will be a fair number of competitve services in the very near future JUMPING at the chance to add Mintcoin, which has a good sized user base.

And I'm sorry to say, if an Online wallet operator/creator has set things up so that he loses money every month, perhaps he should re-structure his fees toward the users end, and just add as many coins as possible so people will actually show up and pay him to use his service. Why even bother with the bribe system?

This is the EXACT same bullshit that made people blow off Coinkite.

Just my opinion, but I think it is an opinion that makes sense.

There seems to be a natural floor around 3 sats. That would be a decent floor to start from.

Any plans in the works for coin development, or is this sort of a "just make sure the wallet works and let it do its thing"? I noticed the community is very quiet for just having been added to a major exchange.

Here is a little promo I whipped up. I am not a professional ad guy. 

I think we would be better off using the 25BTC to get handjobs for Marines...or maybe for really depressed janitors. "Handies for Handymen!"

CoinKite is basically holding up its apples and saying "25BTC if you want some of these apples, douchebags! CHA-CHING! Here comes the free money!"

Coinkite needs coins to make its product more diverse, and to allow mass adoption through the efforts of a dozen+ coins. The more coins a merchant accepts, the more likely they will use Coinkite, and the more coins Coinkite supports, the more likely merchants will choose Coinkite over the next guy up. So why should WE give THEM a LARGE sum of money to be picked with the first string?

25 BTC could be used for SO many more things. If the dev team has 25 BTC to play with, then they probably have other plans in mind. If I had a coin to run, and 25 BTC to spend, I would start with technical aspects, and introducing something new. Then, media/cause.

Shout out to Bittrex Ritchie for continuing to back this coin through all the muck. Mark my words, at this point, it is better to stay exclusive to Bittrex than to get on Mintpal. It is partly going up because of it's position on Mintpal's voting list, but it would be at HUGE risk for a dump and price suppression the moment it hit Mintpal.

Bittrex is REALLY good for Clean Water Coin. If you let Bittrex hold on to it for awhile exclusively, it will build rep for both parties as price goes up and new people come to Bittrex and choose WATER.

Just need to make sure everything works. Then....