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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Deception & Misdirection by ZEC co. Forking ASIC Resistance Bitmain Antminer Z9 on: May 10, 2018, 09:27:26 PM
cryptomined  ignore fanatic26  he doesn't appear to be the real fanatic from a while back, I honestly think hes a paid troll from some place trying to piss us off and wants everything ASIC when both GPUs and ASIC can exist to gather ..
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Launching the Antminer L3+, World's Most Powerful and Efficient Litecoin Miner on: May 10, 2018, 09:12:17 PM


At least I passed on those L3++'s

Reality sucks right now with an L3+...too much drama!

Well, I'm making on my miners with elec/data hall rent etc exactly $1.89 a day FML!

24 hours   0.02819964 LTC   4.58 USD   2.69 USD   1.89 USD
7 days   0.19739749 LTC   32.08 USD   18.82 USD   13.26 USD
30 days   0.84598923 LTC   137.47 USD   80.64 USD   56.83 USD

Yep, living the dream! (sob.....) Sad

You are using a hosting site correct?


yeah...this is next years rates month to month...I pay probably 1c more a kWh than I should (real data hall) but my buddy does ALL  the work....and I mean ALL the work
so figure it is fair to have a complete on-site fix available w/o the wait of 2 days or whatever with other data hall help

again, every summer it goes up at LEAST 1c kWh...even my residential for the past 3-4 years goes up every summer 1c kWh...must be great to be an elec utility monopoly

my residential is mainly going up DUE TO SOLAR indeed..with community solar farm and the rest...less folk using the traditional elec utility...thus they raise price....sheesh

can't talk the CPA in saying SOLAR on the house is for MINING....I'd mine USED CRAP to be able to pull that off....that was 'too cute' in her words...on the other hand

I could get my 100 amp service upgraded to 200 amps by keeping my miners in the basement (pictures for IRS in files) that may fly...having 100% of a 200 amp service

upgrade off my gross mining income ...like mining equipment MAY be my last hurrah...if I can't hack mining by August or some such...

well, right now my 16 L3+ equiv hash at the data hall is getting $1.77 per day ...damn I hate LTC difficulty!

yep, this circus...may be all over by August for me...if the bitmain 'toaster rate' of miners keeps up Sad

It will be 'soothing' to go back and be a hobby miners with only 3 or 4 miners in the basement at most......bitmain too much drama .....punt and sit on hoard may be wise Smiley




makes sense if as most of us suspect the L3++ is just an 'already overclocked' L3+..then all the problems above and flakiness makes perfect sense....another Bitmain gimmick

that has likely come to light Smiley Just my view...but when we tried overclocking...seems to be the same symptoms...so went back to L3+ baseline





wait till the Price goes down more on the L3 ++  i all most bought one but not now, and when it does im wiling to bet it will be as usage as the V9 is now running the V9 using solar.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Deception & Misdirection by ZEC co. Forking ASIC Resistance Bitmain Antminer Z9 on: May 10, 2018, 01:55:42 PM
now there is another ASIC Zec miner 40 k sols how real it is no idea but i bet it is .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdQNfByI63c&feature=em-uploademail

15 k usd to buy it > https://asicminer.co/shop/asicminer-equihash  

Daily Return: $159.15  till they destroy the network.

and they call GPU miners greedily because we don't want a pay Asic prices which go higher and higher in price each time they come out with a new one till it's used up then they lower the price an fuck us even more .
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Deception & Misdirection by ZEC co. Forking ASIC Resistance Bitmain Antminer Z9 on: May 10, 2018, 01:15:52 PM
I believe or that's how i feel atm  > ZEC co. Has Deceived and Misled GPU Miners.
I 'm not calling it a Scam yet but do feel we were mislead and lied to all for money .

Bitmain has a lot money. It could be that there was deal between them behind the scenes. I do believe that Bitmain secretly funds lots of cryptocurrency projects. Once the community builds they bring the ASICs to the market. Monero earned my respect with their forking decision.

Bitmain holds the bone with their ASICs while we are treated like dogs. Only support coins that support us.

it seems you have been following it and if what your saying is the case then they lied and mislead us .I was even told on another forum by the DEV that zec would stay Resistance to ASIC . when Zec started in a pass by post i can't find now , that was my main reason for mining Zec back then

Personally i supported Zcash network from beginning, but when Zocco did a statement that ASIC doesn't concern him and he wont stick to the people who help him become rich and famous. i switched my miners to RAVEN and Monero.



 That's what Ive done switch to Monero and Raven mostly Raven .
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ASIC mining reasons Destroying future value of ZCash (ZEC) ? on: May 09, 2018, 03:57:08 AM
I was very disappointed when I heard that release a miner for the extraction of ZEC. It will be very good if the ZEC team changes the algorithm to support miners on GPU and altcoin decentralization.

Don't know if you guys just haven't read the news but, Zcash devs have made it clear that they will make Zec's ASIC resistance an "immediate technical priority." Wait till the news hits the fan. ZEC value will probably rise in the coming days. Could be a good opportunity to buy some today.

My source: https://www.ccn.com/zcash-foundation-to-make-asic-resistance-immediate-technical-priority/

Did I get to say told you so to those that spent hard cash on the z9



LMAO go for it ... I would ......
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ASIC mining reasons Destroying future value of ZCash (ZEC) ? on: May 09, 2018, 03:16:10 AM
Support the Chinese Asic companies and you will see the results in some years !!
ASIC for all the coins they will make if they will continue to get rich ....
And the worst think is their strategy, when everyone will have their ASIC they will just make newer ASICS with 10x the speed of the old one and you will be forced to sell your old one and buy their new one ....

Chinese business without warranty !! 30 days and 90 days warranty is nothing ,,,,,

Bitmain Launches Asic for ... ZEC
Bitmain Launches Asic for ...ETH
Bitmain Launches Asic for ... Shitcoin ...
Bitmain Launches Asic for ...
Bitmain Launches Asic for ...


that's the problem and why i like using GPU they suck you in then they got yea then they leech off you and make it look like there the good guys while all the time there laughing behind your back and enjoying your hard work . an they do all most nothing and pay even less to make there hard ware .. i read some place if you live china it costs no were near what it cost us to buy this shit outside china .

and what does that all sound like hint look at the ASS hole running the US and his side kick Republicans and his 45 % useless base edging him on ...  Nov 2018 is coming i just hope they do the right thing once there back in power for the people .
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmain L3+ Voltage Control Tool...Free :) on: May 09, 2018, 02:57:51 AM
Hey I got it, thanks guys, running 555Mhs at freq 425 and pulling 810 watts at socket measured with
my watt-o-meter since voltage mod. The original power draw at stock voltage was 895 watts.

I used the WinSCP and the two panel interface, connected with user - root and password - admin
then found the "set voltage" file in the left panel (computer) then dragged it to the right panel (miner)
into the Config directory. If you only see Root in the right panel then make sure to go to top pull down
box above  "Downloads" and click to get /<root> and the Config directory should be in the right panels
list of directories.

I used Bitwise SSH to connect again with user - root and password - admin and the changed from the
main directory to the Config directory with cd /config. Then typed chmod a+x set voltage and then
adjusted for each board to C0 with command ./set_voltage 1 C0
All my boards came with the voltage set to 0X80.

Right now looks like 10% increase in Mhs and 10% decrease in power draw at these voltage settings.

Do you restart your miner after the mods? and also I only see a few HW errors 2-4 in the last 30 plus
minutes (one board has none), so does them mean voltage can be reduced a bit more to D0?



I would either restart it or turn it off for a few seconds then back on to make sure it is taking effect in a good way Smiley ....

so does them mean voltage can be reduced a bit more

 yes how much more can't say because i don't really understand hex to well Ive been looking for a table to go by so i can do some more tweaking to see how far i can push it .

you can 2 volt each board and raise the freg till really bad hardware errors start then take it down till they stop .

but I don't know what 2 volts is = to in Hex or i would try it .
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ASIC mining reasons Destroying future value of ZCash (ZEC) ? on: May 09, 2018, 02:40:17 AM
Whats wrong with a ZEC asic?

10k sols = about 24 GTX 1070s at stock settings.

24 GTX 1070s at stock settings use ~3600 watts + 100w for the rest of the machine.

ZEC asic = 300 watts.

So you need $10,000 worth of parts to make the same hashrate and you burn 12x the power.

This will be a nice quiet machine you can run in any home off any cheapo ATX power supply.

This is a win/win for anyone wanting to mine equihash without breaking the bank.

You can also take this misinformed idea that ASICs promote centralization when that is so not the case. This machine makes it easy for anyone to get into mining without the complications of multiple unreliable GPU rigs.

and for how long do you think Butmain or Innosilicon ( don't forget about them larking in the dark ) . will allow it to be used in the Homes and once they totally destroy mining ZEc or any kind of ant coin mining in the home what next, from what i heard 68 db doesn't sound to nice quiet to me . the S5 was quieter once you replaced both fans .

the PSU right now you can buy off eBay for about 20 bucks if that, break out board might cost 7 bucks that turns it on and cables another 3 bucks each. I 'm sure il end up buying one of these if they go over good once the price drops a lot for the hell of it .

all so everyone seems to forget AMD and NV are about to come out with a new line of 7 nm and 12 nm cards . that might blow this away .

philipma1957

was right one time i see when he said GPU might become a threat to ASIC and it did it seems while others told him no way .
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ASIC mining reasons Destroying future value of ZCash (ZEC) ? on: May 09, 2018, 02:29:05 AM
ASIC Mining Destroying future value ZCash - ZCash (ZEC) has made a big announcement, and miners are not impressed at all. They have announced that Bitmain has released ASIC miners that can be used to mine ZCash. In various forums, miners seem to take up arms against this. The most cited reason is that, this will concentrate mining power in some big companies. With such a move, ZCash can end up like bitcoin where the mining power is concentrated in the hands of several mining companies. The only difference is that bitcoins already have very high volumes, making it more difficult for any entity to manipulate the price. For low cap crypto like ZCash, price manipulation will be very easy with centralized mining.


trying to tell others that is like pulling teeth you just give up . all they see is $$ signs or the fast buck so what if it fucks everything up no respect .
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmain L3+ Voltage Control Tool...Free :) on: May 09, 2018, 02:22:35 AM

Just thought I'd let people know, I ran the tool on my L3++ and the default voltage appears to be 0x60 instead of 0x80 like on the L3+.

so the L3 ++ uses less power at the same hash rate as the L3+ ? . i might buy one more in about two weeks i have a 200 $ coupon some one gave me . sense I looked at the L3 ++ it says you can only use a 220 coupon or lower and mine expires on June 1 st.
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmain L3+ Voltage Control Tool...Free :) on: May 09, 2018, 01:54:06 AM
The way i do it with Winscp, I use the gui part sense I download any per compiled files to my windows box and open the miner in a Winscp GUI window then go to what ever folder on the right side i need in the GUI and only use SSH when needed for CMD commands and also make sure if you use the GUI for Winscp right click the file, to give it full access after it's on the miner so you can use the file .  you can either drag it from windows or send it over from left to right in the GUI an can set it up to give full access as it's dragged from the windows box .

only time i really use SSH is with some command lines or compiling, some stuff you have to compile in Linux or it won't work by dragging it over . or doing updates that can only be done using SSH.

I do it something like this once I'm logged into SSH for the miner

use SCP for the file protocol set it to port 22, host is the antminers ip . user is root pw is admin if you right click the login on the left side it gives you the option to use SSH .. in the GUI it looks like two computers just above the new session button on the left middle section for SSH using the Winscp gui ..

cd /config

./set_voltage 1 c0
./set_voltage 2 d0
./set_voltage 3 d0
./set_voltage 4 b0


I would make a video how to but I suck at making videos.
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: who bought bitmain Z9 will face a big issues now on: May 09, 2018, 01:02:40 AM
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I forsee a few things possibilities occuring. Bitmain going to coin devs and try partnership, or they will make a programmable asic. Those are called FPGAs? So, u fork away, the asic updates firmware and get the new algo working. They will still make normal asics on top of those programmable asics though because asics are far cheaper I believe. And I am guessing the devs work fork away this time because if they fork away, the programmable asic catches them anyways. Or perhaps make an asic for every algo to the point coins cant fork, if that is possible.
Bitmain can probably design their own FPGA and manufacture it cheaper at scale.


if they do  programmable asic. that might be a winner to everyone and GPU might die till then there is no way ASIC is good for much of any thing but destroying everything it touches because you can't reuse ASIC the way it is .

I"m a ware of how firm ware updates work with FPGA IVE done it a few times with some Script miners that supported it that were beast for there time .
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: who bought bitmain Z9 will face a big issues now on: May 09, 2018, 12:53:25 AM


Quote
GPU mining will never die, Now we have a few massive projects  Raven as example ones completed will be better then ETH and new coins with better algos will come out and ask for our support.


My Point .....I'm mining raven



The other thing is ASIC is a door stop once it's used up . if they could some how over come that i think it might be worth it . as it stands now what they do it suck you in with low prices then as it things get better faster with ASIC you need 10 k worth of shit or more just to make a few bucks a day with ASIC ... look at BTC and what a 16 th ASIC miner gets you a day and then go back a few years and see what a ASIC 1 th would give you with ASIC miing it was better more Profitable etc till they destroyed it for all but the rich after greed kicked in all I"m saying is why ? .there is more then enough to go around and all ways will be why be greedy share it.
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: who bought bitmain Z9 will face a big issues now on: May 09, 2018, 12:39:32 AM
who bought bitmain Z9 will face a big issues now

an i don't care if they do greed will do that so i hope they do .....

Why is it greedy to buy 1 ASIC and it's not greedy to buy 300 GPU's?



I can give you facts and a 1000 different reason why but I'm not gonna try because reasoning with some one who only see it one way with no open mind is useless.

I bet you can't give me one solid reason why using ASIC Is better for every one and not just the rich .

I'm not saying don't buy ASIC do buy it but don't promote shit that takes from others that gives nothing back in turn, all for control and power which is greed when they can share it so everyone benefits which we should all want . if you think the limit on how many you buy is because they care think again all they care about is the bottom line.

It is a waste of time trying to explain greed to the greedily


OK ? ....


BTCP (Bitcoin Private) Currently Rank #45 announced to fight the new Bitmain Equihash Miner!

https://twitter.com/bitcoinprivate/status/993509511364317190

Another good news, congratulations BTCP team

congratulations for what?

They are pitting GPU miners against Asic miners, in reality we should all be one community.

bitcoin private wont be in my portfolio.

Why do people to refuse to adopt better technologies?  i'll never get it, only reason I see is people with money dumped into GPU's recently.

I'm tired of trying to explain, but let's go:

Devs wrote their whitepappers saying that they will be asic resistant, asic proof, they would change algo if needs

Bitmain and ALL Asics producers mined MONERO and dumped Asics to idiots because they knew of Monero FORK, look the hashrate of MONERO, it's disgusting this kind of behavior

They tried to sell used Asics as new

GPUs have 2 or 3 year warranty - Asics 180 days without refund

Not everyone can buy Asics, GPUs are easy to find and buy, everyone can join and make decentralization possible

Soon there will be only big farms with Asics, in a few hands

People like to say it's more efficient and will save energy, but remember Asics only mine one algo and when it's not profitable become a doorstep, GPUs when it's not profitable can be a part of PC gaming, office PC, and a lot of other uses

All stated above are FACTS.


As far as decentralization goes. Asics actually help decentralization more because they are far stronger.
U should be thankful that Bitcoin isnt secured by GPUs hashrate because if it was, bitmain or another asic manufacturer alone can create enough asic, and run it for themselves and control more than 51% of hashrate.


I mean look at ZEC now, it has wat 8.1 million hashrate? Thats weak. If bitmain wanted to, they can create 900 units Z9 miners, which gives 9 million hashrate. With that, they can control ZEC. Think about it.


So all those GPU coins now, u are actually not very secure.

However, I understand that GPU holders dont want to lose money. It isnt fair nor nice. I suggest u guys cut down on GPU mining going forward. Too much risk and also, the antminer E3 is out there lol. That is the key to whacking GPU mining to crap because ETH is 60+% of GPU mining.

where did you see 8.1 million sols? is 421 MH if im correct this is 421 millions sols/s


and the reason Bitmain won't balls to the wall it is because they know they don't know what may happen if we fight back and you can take on the big Crops an win.

Lol fight back. It is simply because bitmain isnt intending to damage/rob zec owners. They rather prefer to sell miners which is their work. Zec will be more secure after the asic take over. It actually helps decentralization. But everyone only cares for their own profit first of course. GPU owners will not want to mention this.

It isnt that difficult for an asic manufacturer to churn 1000 units and take over any non-asic coin. Bitmain sells around 2500 units per batch of new miners usually after all. I wonder if monero realizes this.

Maybe if a new asic manufacturer creates a new monero asic, produces a 1000 or enough of it to control monero, then, gpu coins would stop.forking. it isnt easy to do but clearly is very possible.

like i said before now look you can buy 50 unit per buy sigh .. it's all about the bottom line as usually and fuck the rest . an don't think bitmain has any intention of helping or caring they don't . all crops no matter were they are will hurt for the Bucks ..


Maybe if a new asic manufacturer creates a new monero asic, produces a 1000 or enough of it to control monero, then, gpu coins would stop.forking. it isnt easy to do but clearly is very possible.  
if they care like they claim they will keep fighting it .. and keep forking, it is easier to fork it then to make new ASIC hard ware to keep up with it ...not saying they won't try they will if there enough cash in it for them.

GPU mining won't die is my whole point an with the new Cards coming out who knows how much more it will do . it all costs . ASIC over time cost more and you need more to run it then you ever will with GPU . NOTICE I Said "OVERTIME" that's how bitmain works .
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: who bought bitmain Z9 will face a big issues now on: May 09, 2018, 12:30:46 AM
I bet you can't give me one solid reason why using ASIC Is better for every one and not just the rich .

Because you have to spend $10k in hardware to match the hashrate of the z9?

Because this gives much cheaper access to mining than dedicated gpu rigs?

Because it uses 12x less power for the same hashrate as running on GPUs?

No more need for expensive power supplies and overprices graphics cards?

ASIC isnt a synonym for rich and it is exceptionally ignorant to think so when you do the math.

This machine would actually let people get in on altcoin mining at a fraction of the cost of a giant GPU rig that has 60+ failure points.

You wouldnt have to deal with buggy software, bad risers, and all the other things that keep GPU systems from having quality uptimes.

ASICs increase network speed. Increased network speed leads to a more secure network.


How many more reasons do you want? I can keep listing them.

I agree with a lot of that.  Big downside for a small time farms is risk failure, even if you are under warranty.  You pay all shipping and other fees.  You have to deal with shitty Chinese customer service practices, which is pretty much zero customer service.  The only way they get away with that shit is because of their size and lack of relevant competition.  

I've heard more than enough horror stories from bitmain customers, that I shy away.  If they were to change their customer service practices to mimic what we're used to in the United States, I would be more open to buying from bitmain.

customer service..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BtzaYpivFM



Wish we could do thumbs up and down on the forums like YouTube i agree it's all about sucking you in and hocking you then over time you they screw you .
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: who bought bitmain Z9 will face a big issues now on: May 09, 2018, 12:17:41 AM
I bet you can't give me one solid reason why using ASIC Is better for every one and not just the rich .

Because you have to spend $10k in hardware to match the hashrate of the z9?

Because this gives much cheaper access to mining than dedicated gpu rigs?

Because it uses 12x less power for the same hashrate as running on GPUs?

No more need for expensive power supplies and overprices graphics cards?

ASIC isnt a synonym for rich and it is exceptionally ignorant to think so when you do the math.

This machine would actually let people get in on altcoin mining at a fraction of the cost of a giant GPU rig that has 60+ failure points.

You wouldnt have to deal with buggy software, bad risers, and all the other things that keep GPU systems from having quality uptimes.

ASICs increase network speed. Increased network speed leads to a more secure network.


How many more reasons do you want? I can keep listing them.

Because you have to spend $10k in hardware to match the hashrate of the z9?

for now yea you don't then once they get were they want it the price goes up and  it get harder to mine ...

Because this gives much cheaper access to mining than dedicated gpu rigs?
 
right now till it's taken over and if your the real fanatic26 on the forums you know all to well what they do and what they have done over the years .

Because it uses 12x less power for the same hashrate as running on GPUs?

right now maybe .......

No more need for expensive power supplies and overprices graphics cards?

you need a PSU to power it. and who uses expensive power supplies and overpriced graphics cards

I don't i do both GPU and  ASIc mining .


ASIC isnt a synonym for rich and it is exceptionally ignorant to think so when you do the math.

bet me .....

This machine would actually let people get in on altcoin mining at a fraction of the cost of a giant GPU rig that has 60+ failure points.

at first but once they hock you .. it gets costly you know that  so again false

You wouldnt have to deal with buggy software, bad risers, and all the other things that keep GPU systems from having quality uptimes.

bet me . may be some of us like to mess with so called buggy software as you call it .

ASICs increase network speed. Increased network speed leads to a more secure network.

that's good thing ? ... NO  ....  Increased network speed leads to a more secure network. not really ..


List more please !!! it is all about the bottom line say what you want or want a believe ...... an none of those makes ASIC a good reason .. over time .... at first maybe .

so again you didn't give one good sound reason ASIC is better you just made a case for buying it for now till it totally destroys the network and that's not what i said or my point .
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmain L3+ Voltage Control Tool...Free :) on: May 08, 2018, 06:04:46 PM
on a windows PC use Winscp https://winscp.net/eng/download.php and use SSH https://www.ssh.com/ssh/ you need both unless your willing to try the New SSH  in window 10 April update .

GUI version will be nice but if  it works just as good using CMD why not . an there is all most no chance of breaking a controller like a full firmware up date might do . some one also told me you can use this to edit the firmware i couldn't figure how to

Antminer Toolkit - Miner Controller

https://shop.bitmain.com/support.htm?pid=00720170302102826819kGXDSLgM069C


I know it probable the same thing jstefanop is using .
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ASIC + Air Conditioning = Safe? on: May 08, 2018, 02:58:11 PM
I've recently started mining and I'm adding more and more equipment to my small mining operation. There are high end GPUs and high end ASIC machines running pretty constantly. The room is slowly gaining temperature as I add more pieces of hardware, this is to be expected because of CFM and all of that. I'm wondering if there are any simple ways to combat this heat increase that are also financially painless. Can I add an Air Conditioning unit to the room or does the method of cooling add too much moisture into the air? Would I be able to combat that moisture with a dehumidifier? How much help would leaving a window open do?

Air Conditioning won't do much good if you don't move that hot air out while the cool air is coming in it's about air flow and how you move it an were.

so that said

Air Conditioning if used right is very safe if you can afford to do it in other words it's the most costly way to do it . or not worth it unless your rich or have no power cost to worry about then it is very safe to do and the best way imo to do it but that's a debate so it's all about what your willing to invest and can afford till you see that ROI, if that's what your after .

19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: who bought bitmain Z9 will face a big issues now on: May 08, 2018, 02:37:19 PM
who bought bitmain Z9 will face a big issues now

an i don't care if they do greed will do that so i hope they do .....

Why is it greedy to buy 1 ASIC and it's not greedy to buy 300 GPU's?



I can give you facts and a 1000 different reason why but I'm not gonna try because reasoning with some one who only see it one way with no open mind is useless.

I bet you can't give me one solid reason why using ASIC Is better for every one and not just the rich .

I'm not saying don't buy ASIC do buy it but don't promote shit that takes from others that gives nothing back in turn, all for control and power which is greed when they can share it so everyone benefits which we should all want . if you think the limit on how many you buy is because they care think again all they care about is the bottom line.

It is a waste of time trying to explain greed to the greedily


OK ? ....


BTCP (Bitcoin Private) Currently Rank #45 announced to fight the new Bitmain Equihash Miner!

https://twitter.com/bitcoinprivate/status/993509511364317190

Another good news, congratulations BTCP team

congratulations for what?

They are pitting GPU miners against Asic miners, in reality we should all be one community.

bitcoin private wont be in my portfolio.

Why do people to refuse to adopt better technologies?  i'll never get it, only reason I see is people with money dumped into GPU's recently.

I'm tired of trying to explain, but let's go:

Devs wrote their whitepappers saying that they will be asic resistant, asic proof, they would change algo if needs

Bitmain and ALL Asics producers mined MONERO and dumped Asics to idiots because they knew of Monero FORK, look the hashrate of MONERO, it's disgusting this kind of behavior

They tried to sell used Asics as new

GPUs have 2 or 3 year warranty - Asics 180 days without refund

Not everyone can buy Asics, GPUs are easy to find and buy, everyone can join and make decentralization possible

Soon there will be only big farms with Asics, in a few hands

People like to say it's more efficient and will save energy, but remember Asics only mine one algo and when it's not profitable become a doorstep, GPUs when it's not profitable can be a part of PC gaming, office PC, and a lot of other uses

All stated above are FACTS.


As far as decentralization goes. Asics actually help decentralization more because they are far stronger.
U should be thankful that Bitcoin isnt secured by GPUs hashrate because if it was, bitmain or another asic manufacturer alone can create enough asic, and run it for themselves and control more than 51% of hashrate.


I mean look at ZEC now, it has wat 8.1 million hashrate? Thats weak. If bitmain wanted to, they can create 900 units Z9 miners, which gives 9 million hashrate. With that, they can control ZEC. Think about it.


So all those GPU coins now, u are actually not very secure.

However, I understand that GPU holders dont want to lose money. It isnt fair nor nice. I suggest u guys cut down on GPU mining going forward. Too much risk and also, the antminer E3 is out there lol. That is the key to whacking GPU mining to crap because ETH is 60+% of GPU mining.

where did you see 8.1 million sols? is 421 MH if im correct this is 421 millions sols/s


and the reason Bitmain won't balls to the wall it is because they know they don't know what may happen if we fight back and you can take on the big Crops an win.
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: who bought bitmain Z9 will face a big issues now on: May 08, 2018, 01:37:47 PM
who bought bitmain Z9 will face a big issues now

an i don't care if they do greed will do that so i hope they do .....
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