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Erst mal Danke für die Glückwünsche. Damals gab es bei Faucets ja noch relativ viel, und ein bisschen was kam auch von ein paar dieser "Minijobs" die es damals gab. Aber alles legal  @Buchi-88 Danke für den Link, den werde ich mal durchlesen. @AHOYBRAUSE Hmm, mit p2p meinst Du Privatverkauf gegen Bargeld? Wäre auch eine Option, aber bei so einem Betrag wäre mir da unwohl. Das kann ja nicht nur freundliche Mitbürger anziehen. @bullrun2024bro Wüsstet Du vielleicht so eine Privatbank? Mit KYC und Herkunftsnachweis habe ich per se kein Problem, wenn ich der Institution vertraue. Irgendwie hatte ich die Hoffnung, Deutschland wäre da schon etwas weiter, wo doch alle nach Digitalisierung schreien. Sorry falls ich vielleicht etwas paranoid rüberkomme, aber ich habe Bammel etwas falsch zu machen. Jetzt nicht mal primär vom rechtlichen Standpunkt her, sondern eher sowas in die Richtung, daß meine Identität bekannt wird und ich unerwünscht Besuch bekomme. |
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Ich habe vor vielen Jahren über diverse Faucets Bitcoins gesammelt, das Ganze dann aber aus den Augen verloren.
Durch die aktuellen Nachrichten über den Kurs habe ich mich wieder daran erinnert und habe tatsächlich noch die Private Keys der Adressen.
Diese hatte ich mir damals zusammen mit den Adressen exportiert und ausgedruckt. Ein Wallet habe ich keines mehr (damals war das ein Bitcoin Core Wallet).
Ich würde gerne wissen, wie ich nun genau die Bitcoins in Euros getauscht bekomme, und was ich zu beachten habe. Es handelt sich dabei um einen 6-stelligen Betrag.
Muß ich meiner Bank Bescheid geben, bevor eine größere Summe eingeht? Ich denke ja, wegen Geldwäsche und so.
Hat das Finanzamt damit irgendwas zu tun? Ich denke nein, weil die Bitcoins ja seit Jahren herumliegen. Nicht, daß ich hier irgendwelche Überraschungen/Strafverfahren bekomme.
Welche Platform ist hierzu denn am sichersten? Bei einem solchen Betrag möchte ich nicht herumprobieren. Am liebsten wäre mir eine Platform in Deutschland, die (falls nötig) die Verifikation zB per Postident macht, denn ich möchte keine Kopien meines Ausweises an irgendwelche zweifelhaften Platformen im Ausland senden.
Gibt es vielleicht sogar mittlerweile eine etablierte Bank in Deutschland, wo ich meine Bitcoin hinsenden und dort dann tauschen kann?
Danke schonmal
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See how the 2nd output is longer than the first? I was giving the wrong scriptPubKey. I think the one I gave was trivially satisfied and didn't need signing.
Thank you so much! The resulting signed tx can be broadcast with https://just-dice.com/pushtx, correct? Because, with a first attempt, I just got "Error: TX rejected" as reply. I think it should be possible to try broadcasting a tx with made-up data; the network would then sort them out (I used the signed tx from the example here in this thread. Oh, and before I try with live data: The amount value is given in fractions, like 3.5 and not in the Satoshi-equivalent of 350000000 right? Not that I create a big fee |
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One last hurdle is there though: signrawtransaction returns the unsigned tx I put in although "complete" is true: http://picpaste.com/QkeLmHPi.pngIs there maybe a difference between clamd and clam-qt on Windows? I've no idea how it could say it's complete but return the same unsigned tx you started with. While researching for my problem with signing a raw transaction, I stumbled over this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=607993 but I have no idea where to go from there. Any ideas? Is there any place where I could file a bug report since the console in the client does not behave as expected? |
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So in your case you would do this: $ clamd signrawtransaction $(clamd createrawtransaction '[{"txid":"71f2cbe9ff92b8c62a2bcfba5dfc9bc32a2d0c71bf55834e6d884b9ab0de201c","vout":69}]' '{"xK8vfFyKC4J2SHR2Hhk7whQAaCTGWbEEwW ":3.5}') '[{"txid":"71f2cbe9ff92b8c62a2bcfba5dfc9bc32a2d0c71bf55834e6d884b9ab0de201c","vout":69,"scriptPubKey":"1976a914c6580bcf8320c3ddaadebc9be9f38ac6fb59d21688ac"}]' '["Lo2RApGkaDZDePA347i56Lo4xRNGBwuxUgyQBC5cK9Ea2Kpn2mnt"]'
{
"hex" : "020000004abe2c5a011c20deb09a4b886d4e8355bf710c2d2ac39bfc5dbacf2b2ac6b892ffe9cbf 2714500000000ffffffff018093dc14000000001976a91476d3380912c1dda6d575bdbac5348db0 e46d8c4e88ac0000000034706c6179206f7220696e766573742077697468206120312520686f757 3652065646765202d2d204a7573742d446963652e636f6d",
"complete" : true
} I got the 40 hex characters for your address by base58 decoding it: $ python
Python 2.7.13 (default, Jan 19 2017, 14:48:08)
[GCC 6.3.0 20170118] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import binascii, base58
>>> binascii.hexlify(base58.b58decode_check('xSPPAQsgYTUsiH51xG3u4Shf7Cc7dt5V7g')[1:])
'c6580bcf8320c3ddaadebc9be9f38ac6fb59d216' Thanks! That sure explains quite a lot With that info I managed to create a little python script that outputs the pubkey hash. One last hurdle is there though: signrawtransaction returns the unsigned tx I put in although "complete" is true: http://picpaste.com/QkeLmHPi.pngIs there maybe a difference between clamd and clam-qt on Windows? createrawtransaction '[{"txid":"71f2cbe9ff92b8c62a2bcfba5dfc9bc32a2d0c71bf55834e6d884b9ab0de201c","vout":69}]' '{"xK8vfFyKC4J2SHR2Hhk7whQAaCTGWbEEwW ":3.5}'
01000000b7092d5a011c20deb09a4b886d4e8355bf710c2d2ac39bfc5dbacf2b2ac6b892ffe9cbf 2714500000000ffffffff018093dc14000000001976a91476d3380912c1dda6d575bdbac5348db0 e46d8c4e88ac00000000
signrawtransaction "0100000032082d5a011c20deb09a4b886d4e8355bf710c2d2ac39bfc5dbacf2b2ac6b892ffe9cbf 2714500000000ffffffff018093dc14000000001976a91476d3380912c1dda6d575bdbac5348db0 e46d8c4e88ac00000000" '[{"txid":"71f2cbe9ff92b8c62a2bcfba5dfc9bc32a2d0c71bf55834e6d884b9ab0de201c","vout":69,"scriptPubKey":"1976a914c6580bcf8320c3ddaadebc9be9f38ac6fb59d21688ac"}]' '["Lo2RApGkaDZDePA347i56Lo4xRNGBwuxUgyQBC5cK9Ea2Kpn2mnt"]'
{
"hex" : "0100000032082d5a011c20deb09a4b886d4e8355bf710c2d2ac39bfc5dbacf2b2ac6b892ffe9cbf 2714500000000ffffffff018093dc14000000001976a91476d3380912c1dda6d575bdbac5348db0 e46d8c4e88ac00000000",
"complete" : true
}
Thanks for your patience |
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Can you copy/paste that in text form? And show some information about the output you're trying to spend. Output from 'validateoutputs' about it would be useful. Sure thing; I recreated what I tried before and pasted it below. "validateoutputs" obviously says not found, but that's a given. Not just because it does not actually exist, but because creating and signing is supposed to happen on a computer that hasn't been on the network so naturally it won't have any tx information at all. If a fully synced client is required, the whole process of offline signing would be meaningless. My understanding of the process is that you create a valid raw-tx (what seems to work, at least the console does not complain) and then sign it with the privkey of the sender's address so you can use a pushtx service on another (online) computer to send it out. If that signed tx contains garbage (like a non-existant source tx), the miner is supposed to reject it. Please correct me if I am wrong on any of those assumptions. Thanks for taking a look into that by the way dumpprivkey xSPPAQsgYTUsiH51xG3u4Shf7Cc7dt5V7g
Lo2RApGkaDZDePA347i56Lo4xRNGBwuxUgyQBC5cK9Ea2Kpn2mnt
dumpprivkey xK8vfFyKC4J2SHR2Hhk7whQAaCTGWbEEwW
LnE8nFjSGVKhxoo5rxNZnQU31zT2JnDmVNsEEXoA8tq1HoXtJ4DC
createrawtransaction '[{"txid":"71f2cbe9ff92b8c62a2bcfba5dfc9bc32a2d0c71bf55834e6d884b9ab0de201c","vout":69}]' '{"xK8vfFyKC4J2SHR2Hhk7whQAaCTGWbEEwW ":3.5}'
01000000f8482c5a011c20deb09a4b886d4e8355bf710c2d2ac39bfc5dbacf2b2ac6b892ffe9cbf 2714500000000ffffffff018093dc14000000001976a91476d3380912c1dda6d575bdbac5348db0 e46d8c4e88ac00000000
validateaddress xSPPAQsgYTUsiH51xG3u4Shf7Cc7dt5V7g
{
"isvalid" : true,
"address" : "xSPPAQsgYTUsiH51xG3u4Shf7Cc7dt5V7g",
"ismine" : true,
"isscript" : false,
"pubkey" : "0317219581a420e433f18a7d28b282cddd4e900f1a7efad35d54d8b881c3e67497",
"iscompressed" : true,
"account" : ""
}
signrawtransaction "01000000f8482c5a011c20deb09a4b886d4e8355bf710c2d2ac39bfc5dbacf2b2ac6b892ffe9cbf 2714500000000ffffffff018093dc14000000001976a91476d3380912c1dda6d575bdbac5348db0 e46d8c4e88ac00000000" '[{"txid":"71f2cbe9ff92b8c62a2bcfba5dfc9bc32a2d0c71bf55834e6d884b9ab0de201c","vout":69,"scriptPubKey":"0317219581a420e433f18a7d28b282cddd4e900f1a7efad35d54d8b881c3e67497"}]' '["Lo2RApGkaDZDePA347i56Lo4xRNGBwuxUgyQBC5cK9Ea2Kpn2mnt"]'
{
"hex" : "01000000f8482c5a011c20deb09a4b886d4e8355bf710c2d2ac39bfc5dbacf2b2ac6b892ffe9cbf 2714500000000ffffffff018093dc14000000001976a91476d3380912c1dda6d575bdbac5348db0 e46d8c4e88ac00000000",
"complete" : false
}
validateoutputs '[{"txid":"71f2cbe9ff92b8c62a2bcfba5dfc9bc32a2d0c71bf55834e6d884b9ab0de201c","vout":69}]'
[
{
"txid" : "71f2cbe9ff92b8c62a2bcfba5dfc9bc32a2d0c71bf55834e6d884b9ab0de201c",
"vout" : 69,
"status" : "txid not found"
}
] (btw, the random whitespace in the hex strings seems to get added by the board, it's not there when I copy&paste it. Seems to be forced space after 79 characters) |
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Like I said, that's random data I generated (that's why I also posted the private keys so anybody can retry). Since I'm trying to get the whole signing process to work on a system without network access, there is no way for the Clam client to verify eg the tx. That's why I might as well use random addresses and tx. From my understanding, it should not matter if the data is real or not as long as it passes e.g. address verifications. Btw, I did include a screenshot of the console session before where I tried to create a tx to spend the 69th output. See http://picpaste.com/iYdNPs6T.pngCreating the raw tx works, but I cannot figure out how to sign it correctly, even when I have both privkeys in the client. |
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It doesn't matter if the client is synced. You should unlock the wallet with the walletpassphrase RPC before trying to sign a transaction. Other than that, maybe you could show more details. What are you typing, and what does the error say? "I failed" isn't helpful.
Here's the random test data I'm using: From address: xSPPAQsgYTUsiH51xG3u4Shf7Cc7dt5V7g (importprivkey Lo2RApGkaDZDePA347i56Lo4xRNGBwuxUgyQBC5cK9Ea2Kpn2mnt) To address: xK8vfFyKC4J2SHR2Hhk7whQAaCTGWbEEwW (importprivkey LnE8nFjSGVKhxoo5rxNZnQU31zT2JnDmVNsEEXoA8tq1HoXtJ4DC) Amount: 3.5 CLAM TX in which they were received: 71f2cbe9ff92b8c62a2bcfba5dfc9bc32a2d0c71bf55834e6d884b9ab0de201c Output in which they were received: 69 By the way, I'm using the console window of the clam-qt.exe client. I'm testing on a Windows VM without network that has never seen any Clam install before (and for every test I revert it back to a previous snapshot). I just start the exe, import the above keys, restart the exe and go to the console window. There's no password set (at least clam-qt never asked for one). Here's the screenshot of my attempt: http://picpaste.com/iYdNPs6T.pngI'm aware that any other Clams would be a tx fee; I'm just trying to get this to work right now, so I don't bother about fees. Anybody can help? Are you there Dooglus? |
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It doesn't matter if the client is synced. You should unlock the wallet with the walletpassphrase RPC before trying to sign a transaction. Other than that, maybe you could show more details. What are you typing, and what does the error say? "I failed" isn't helpful.
Here's the random test data I'm using: From address: xSPPAQsgYTUsiH51xG3u4Shf7Cc7dt5V7g (importprivkey Lo2RApGkaDZDePA347i56Lo4xRNGBwuxUgyQBC5cK9Ea2Kpn2mnt) To address: xK8vfFyKC4J2SHR2Hhk7whQAaCTGWbEEwW (importprivkey LnE8nFjSGVKhxoo5rxNZnQU31zT2JnDmVNsEEXoA8tq1HoXtJ4DC) Amount: 3.5 CLAM TX in which they were received: 71f2cbe9ff92b8c62a2bcfba5dfc9bc32a2d0c71bf55834e6d884b9ab0de201c Output in which they were received: 69 By the way, I'm using the console window of the clam-qt.exe client. I'm testing on a Windows VM without network that has never seen any Clam install before (and for every test I revert it back to a previous snapshot). I just start the exe, import the above keys, restart the exe and go to the console window. There's no password set (at least clam-qt never asked for one). Here's the screenshot of my attempt: http://picpaste.com/iYdNPs6T.pngI'm aware that any other Clams would be a tx fee; I'm just trying to get this to work right now, so I don't bother about fees. |
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"scriptPubKey":"WHERE-DO-I-GET-THIS-FROM?"
Run "validateaddress" on the address. It shows the scriptPubKey as one of the outputs. I'm sorry, but I can't get it to work. When I run validateaddress with the sender address and use the pubkey it returns, signrawtransaction only returns the hex again and says it failed. Is there any step-by-step example that guides through the entire process? Also, does it matter if the client is not synced? |
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I'm trying to create&sign an offline raw transaction, but I'm stuck with signing it.
What I did tried far to send a single input to a new address:
createrawtransaction '[{"txid":"here-i-put-the-tx-where-clams-were-received","vout":here-is-the-output-number-in-the-tx}]' '{"here-is-the-recipient-address":here-comes-the-amount-to-send}'
That worked and returned a hex-string. But now I want to sign it:
signrawtransaction "here-goes-the-hex-string-from-above" '[{"txid":"here-is-the-tx-again","vout":here-again-the-output-number,"scriptPubKey":"WHERE-DO-I-GET-THIS-FROM?"}]' '["here-is-the-private-key-from-the-sender-address"]'
I thought I could get the scriptPubKey via decoderawtransaction, but there is only an asm value, and no hex.
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If several hundred people send one cent to your traditional bank account, you have a few dollars. The bank won't tell you to forget about that money because it came in as cents.
That's misleading. With PayPal for example, if you sell goods or services you have to accept a 3.4% + 20p fee for it, which makes all payments below 20p useless and all transactions below about £1/$1 impractical to take, or "dust". That's why I said traditional bank account. Paypal has always been rather greedy imho so it was a good target for "fee-free" Bitcoin. What about:
1. Increase blocksize so that more transactions can be included into a block to lower fees. Why isn't that done?
There's a lot of argument about that. Some people argue that it would increase the cost of running full nodes too much, eventually leading to centralisation and thus leaving nodes too public and/or prone to attack. I don't particularly agree with this for small increases, but I can see the argument that it's a "slippery slope" of sorts. It will grow nevertheless constantly, unless someone comes up with a smart idea to reduce size. On the other hand, storage space gets cheaper. It will just get more annoying to copy and/or do a fresh restart. I don't think the fees are higher than PayPal's when it comes to overseas transfers + currency exchange. I'm an EU citizen and remember receiving some cash from a friend in the USA and it included normal overseas transfer + conversion to Euro, and it costed me about €20. Me, because my friend didn't even know it's going to consume so much, so he sent a full sum and when I got it it, the fees were deducted from the sent amount and I got much less than I had expected.
Bitcoin is much cheaper and you immediately know how much you're sending. Also the fees are paid by the sender, not deducted from the money being sent.
Just went to blockchain.info and took a look at the latest blocks and picked the USD values of some random transactions: Amount Fee Ratio Transaction-ID
1,24 0,17 13,7% 7637e4cb225fbe5d549fb544e18ffcbd51267a46e3451eb7dafef25e3b3c60c4
22,04 3,07 13,9% 331f9bab79acf9489a6834a0f2b0c9c41f6f6153607d3ff75c5647c2a0839199
28,69 7,11 24,8% c22624bb677b630a5635777860dee67bfa2bc321e64d784e416b1d898a934e6d
2,19 2,92 133,3% 8c9a3646533c9141581c9ca15d82c94d2a1ad6b6b1b2ce981c99793c9138bc74
14,55 2,68 18,4% 1c0fdecbc5de6a2725d1b1ee4c9c6c5c58bd332962187bb6893cb825514d5f6b
Currency exchange aside, it's hard to explain those fees to average Joe; and he won't consider those amounts as dust either. With this, it won't be interesting for end-user and merchant adoption. Bitcoin will turn into a trading currency for people with bigger funds. Transactions need to stay below eg Paypal's fees to stay competitive. Milking users now will bring everything downhill. Right now Bitcoin is far more expensive (and slower) on average than PayPal (with free non-purchase transfers in the same currency). But the biggest selling point was/is decentralisation and freedom from censorship - you're in full control of your own funds and can send them to whoever you want anywhere in the world.
In the long run even Bitcoin will centralize. People want convenience sadly, that's why webbased wallets are successful. They can easily drop fees for "inhouse" transactions and brake traceability in the blockchain. |
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I remember that back when Bitcoin was starting to get attention, one of the key arguments against eg Paypal was that you could transfer your money without paying any fee (and yes, the tx didn't get stuck). But now the network has reached the point where transaction fees are sometimes higher than Paypal or similar. Even worse, if you managed to collect a lot of Satoshis from various faucets or such, you have only accumulated so-called dust and are practically told to forget about it.
What's a solution for that? How would you explain to average John Doe that his efforts to collect Satoshis were useless? If several hundred people send one cent to your traditional bank account, you have a few dollars. The bank won't tell you to forget about that money because it came in as cents.
What about:
1. Increase blocksize so that more transactions can be included into a block to lower fees. Why isn't that done?
2. Transactions where all input addresses are the same as the output address are identical could be free to allow combining dust.
3. Transactions with low/no fees should be included if the sender is willing to wait long enough, like 2 weeks, or a month.
4. Low/no fee transactions could require extra work on the clientside so that spam attacks are not feasible (like a few mins requiring 100% CPU).
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Thanks to life I've been out of touch with cryptocurrencies a bit sadly.
I remembered that I have some Ripple, and that raised two questions:
1. Is there a standalone client? Something like Bitcoin Core, or can transactions only be done via Gatehub? I have backuped the secret key of my Ripple address, but I want to create a new one where only I know the new secret and move my Ripple there.
2. Can a Ripple account get empty? I remember something like an "activation balance" that needs to be present, but what if I want to transfer every single XRP to my new address?
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rfpQpQp8gBb22PrvcyDfKMrWjs5811w8vJ
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So, did everyone give up or forget about this? Just odd how steady posts were , then suddenly halted.
Nothing will happen. From what I've seen, everything here is hot air only. There were lots of threats, but everybody chickened out. All talk, no action; it's ridiculous. Expect other scams like this in the future. |
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For those who complain about the costs of a lawsuit:
I dunno about the US legal system, but I have a legal protection insurance which covers all the expenses exceeding small amounts (around $500 I think). So it does not matter how expensive the lawsuit gets. Plus, a defendant who is found guilty but cannot pay can be held liable for about 10 years; should he make any more money than needed for his basic living expenses, it can be collected and goes back to the plaintiff.
What's the point in threatening to sue someone when you chicken out, claiming it's too expensive? Are people really believing that a professional scammer is scared by threats on an Internet forum?
@repentance
IANAL, but a lawsuit would at least involve fraud. It would be a nice way to test Bitcoin in front of a court. A few lawsuits with virtual currencies/items have been successful in the past (eg Shanda, Runescape).
And proof? We have the blockchain. If you directly invested with Pirate, he sent you the his address. For the PPT servics, it's the same and just a hop more.
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First of all, I had nothing invested with any of them; I only witnessed all this as a bystander.
The main problem is that there are just rants and threats, but no action.
Every single one of those guys has been threatened with legal action and according to the forum many have contacted their lawyers. The results? Nothing. I haven't heard of any lawsuit that has been filed. So far, it's only been hot air.
Nefario has lied to everybody about quickly moving GLBSE around in case of government issues. When the government knocked, he rolled over and shut GLBSE down, leaving investors without any solutions and explanations.
Similar with Pirateat40: some here invested lots of time to track him down and even contact his family. The famous 12th October has passed and nobody seems to care anymore, despite all the lawyer talk.
For all those guys their identity is known. It would be easy to file a lawsuit and drag them in front of a court, but nobody seems to have the balls for it even though there's lots of big talk on the forum. Instead, everybody just accepts the losses and moves on, waiting for the next scam.
This will only make Bitcoin more interesting for scammers and less interesting for honest people. You can easily walk away with thousands, if not millions.
Feel free to move this to the appropriate section.
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No reply to a PM sent to you days ago.
All the done downloads got deleted from my list of done jobs.
Everything else is pending since 2 weeks now.
Not a single cent has been acknowledged.
Of course it's not a scam. I hope I earned you a few dollars with the hours I wasted!
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I can't agree: I requested a payout from freebitcoins.org in the morning, and only a few hours later my bitcoins arrived. Don't what went wrong by you.
Great for you, but it looks like you're the only one. I found another thread here: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=18308.0No updates on this thread or the other one. It looks like they don't give a crap at all! Goldcarrot doesn't even have a list of jobs you've done. You complete a survey and there's no way to tell if you did. |
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