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1  Economy / Reputation / Re: 3 Users Harassing the Trust System on: March 25, 2021, 03:43:24 AM
Who told you that there is a problem with me regarding the loan?
Not having any information in your loan thread about the continuation of YOSHIE's loan status with you after the last agreement is something that can lead to speculation when the borrower has been inactive for several weeks without a word. that's why my speculation came up against YOSHIE.


I am getting partial repayment almost each month. And I am getting response when I am sending message, so there is no problem about the loan. Even I got partial repayment last month.
Why did you never ask him to submit partial proof of payment in the related thread? Do you only receive interest on your loan with YOSHIE without repaying the principal? 160 ETC is the total loan that you mentioned to someone a while ago. But I stopped speculating about loans after YOSHIE was active and proved itself. The problem is resolved because both of you have other agreements that I cannot interfere with.



Yes: you are not mistaken with me, it's just that you are too careless in judging and responding to someone, you are too reckless in your actions, that is what is called the "employer's eating weapon".
Careless? You just want to maintain your reputation when some of my questions go unanswered during your time off. Why are you so eager to cover my mouth with the power called the trust system? Who is careless now? You are guilty of using the trust system to act as a shield after a few questions I have asked.

It seems, you don't really understand the DT work system, so you think DT is useless stuff, you can tinker with your behavior that looks sloppy and doesn't make sense.
This statement makes me smile YOSHIE. You are the DT1 that has been trusted by several other DT1 users to occupy this position. You're just using the bias of all the open conversations there is that your imagination is telling you I'm trying to attack you. And

Now you have it all, enjoy.
You begin to show me the power you have from the trust system. You are too hypocritical YOSHIE to say that you need to learn better how to use your current strengths. You consider yourself a king of power who can make others believe in your opinion. That is utter foolishness.



It seems like you are unhappy with having received a red tag from Yoshie on a different account and now you are trying to exact vengeance on him. Which isn't cool to begin with, but it's especially not cool seeing as how we tend to believe his story over anything you have to say.
Clearly, you have some personal grudges, resentments, or frustrations against YOSHIE, but you're not man enough to bring them up with your main account
Not a good question. That thread was created with the simple goal of shitsmearing. It's obviously an alt of somebody who was tagged by Yoshie for what could be a legitimate reason.
All this is full of hatred, you start speculating about me even you are stirring up the truth with emotional hatred.

Everyone here who looks so mad at me is stirring up the facts with hatred. The trust system is not the right way to use it as a protection when you never like someone when they are accusing, speculating, asking questions. YOSHIE's selfishness has created new problems so that she cannot truly be trusted.

nutildah, you're nice. Don't let your brain keep thinking that I'm trying to ruin your friend's reputation. He was truly guilty of using the trust  system to solve his problem. Now this case has escalated to abuse of the trust system, so you have no reason to say I can't be trusted. The 3 responses on my profile are evidence of the so-called abuse of the trust system.




2  Economy / Reputation / YOSHIE & his friends were abusing Trust System on: March 22, 2021, 03:56:08 AM
Ever since YOSHIE left the forum without a word for a while, my mind has become chaotic. He is a forum contributor who has contributed a lot to the forum. Her great skill in spotting scammers was appreciated and I felt good about her job.

Some things that I regret very much are not many people who support me to reveal the facts that actually happened to YOSHIE. Accused me of trolling and they were all YOSHIE trust networks helping each other and started to think that whatever I said was my attempt to damage YOSHIE's reputation.
I asked YOSHIE to sign a message after password reset via email during inactivity, but someone reasoned that YOSHIE didn't need to prove anything to me and this forum with a signed message. They want to distort the facts with their strength and lead to opinions that don't make sense.

Some of these users keep calling me a troll because I just want the facts to be clear. As I have said, I have no intention of hating YOSHIE but my suspicions about ownership of his account must be substantiated with a signed message.
Coolcryptovator began communicating with YOSHIE via telegram which had changed with a new identity. YOSHIE reasoned that his old telegram was a disposable number on the internet so Coolcryptovator had to prove its authenticity by asking YOSHIE to sign the message. YOSHIE reasoned that he would do it if he could because his health condition had not fully recovered.

Although Coolcryptovator was able to personally verify that it was the real YOSHIE, he never said that YOSHIE could not sign messages with his bitcoin address which was used to sign messages from this address: 15Z6q6STzyHawwHroemvmA7X4jsBdBH1MR and It is a hidden fact.

At the same time, YOSHIE tagged me with a neutral tag because I was considered a troll and took care of his personal matters when I didn't mean to. I consider it a misunderstanding that is too quickly judged. But moments later he gave me a negative tag with some modified words.

The Timelord2067 is full of enthusiasm and cowboy style to tag me with YOSHIE sentiment reasons but because Lucius came and said something
Timelord2067 decided to remove the tag for fear of being blamed for his carelessness. Jollygood also tagged me for reasons of YOSHIE sentiment and he is the third user. This cannot be justified when I want YOSHIE to prove to the public that he is right.
Timelord2067    2021-03-20    Reference    I echo Yoshie's sentiments:

"Stupid, making up completely absurd stories, which he doesn't know, accounts like this are a disease for the public in this forum." (Delete)

YOSHIE and her two friends' actions are considered insulting to the trust system. But who believes and who cares?
You never immediately believe that someone who can't sign messages from their bitcoin address is the same person and we have to be careful about doing anything with them. But I am lost here because none of them support my perception.

Regarding the loan, I also don't mind if he is active especially Shasan never said anything about it, but he did tell us that YOSHIE still has 160 ETC outstanding loans. But since he never appeared, I was free to speculate on him. YOSHIE came back to life after I highlighted his loan problems with Shasan. He was annoyed and started making up a story that he had a problem as revealed by Coolcryptovator. Who will believe? Only people who exist in the YOSHIE trust system.

Now that Timelord2067 removed the tag on my profile, he started offering YOSHIE some ETH to help him pay off the loan to shasan which was previously thought not to be the cause of YOSHIE missing for some time even though YOSHIE has made it clear that there is no problem with the loan on its clarification thread. Today's Timelord2067 way of showing me support that he agrees with my previous speculation about YOSHIE not being able to repay the loan is correct. But I didn't want to make a big deal about it after YOSHIE was back on and let it do it on its own.
I've got ~ETH 0.21 which I don't mind sending your way to help payback the loan to shasan if that helps keep the Trolls off of your back.  The main thing is that you rest up and recover from your ordeal.

You've earned a break from this place for a while - see you when you get back.

I believe the current YOSHIE is the real YOSHIE because it seems like he is still very temperamental. His attitude was still the same as before he was lost. And now he can sign message with this address.

This kind of abuse of the trust system by dt is unfortunate. They act at will and abuse their power to protect their sects, friends and friends. They have broken the trust system and made it an irreplaceable kingdom. They are connected to each other and strengthen each other. Whatever it is, I take it as harassment. There is no exception when a user is eager to know the facts about what happened. The punishment was too quick because the hammer was in their hands. When the hammer is in the dog's mouth, justice belongs to the master.

It's up to you what you will tell me after all the facts you think are wrong. In fact, to date YOSHIE has not can been able to prove that it still has access to its old bitcoin address to sign messages and he is real YOSHIE.

YOSHIE, I don't hate you and apologize for my speculation. But the current behavior of you and your two friends has violated the trust system. You cannot be trusted and other dt members should take you off their trust list because I am not at fault for asking anything and want them to prove a fact.

Don't force me to fight injustice here myself, I don't want to be considered a troll and a forum contributor hater. The new fact is that it is very easy to tarnish the reputation of our own account if you don't completely agree with the dog holding his master's hammer.
3  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Die Default Trust wurde geändert ! on: March 21, 2021, 04:42:57 AM
Seit der Einführung des Merit-Systems ist der Verkauf neuer Accounts sowieso stark zurück gegangen, was auch Sinn der Einführung war.

Sie sind nie aus dem Forum verschwunden. Kontoverkäufer werden immer noch da sein und möglicherweise zugenommen haben, solange die Bitcoin- und Altcoin-Märkte so groß geworden sind. Das merit-systems hat druck auf sie ausgeübt, nicht viel zu kaufen und zu verkaufen.
4  Economy / Reputation / Re: What happened to Yoshie? on: March 21, 2021, 04:32:32 AM
Conclusion: I believe the account Yoshie still under the control of the original owner.

I've had one of my previous posts in this thread deleted by a mod for no apparent reason.

Thanks goes to Coolcryptovator for making contact with Yoshie and I wish him well & a speedy recovery.

Most may not have noticed Yoshie has responded via Trust Feedback on Fact Finder's trust feedback page:

YOSHIE    2021-03-20    Reference    A very reckless troll, clueless with matters, he doesn't know anything, hides behind the main accounts, very careless in his actions, loser.

YOSHIE    2021-03-20    Reference    Stupid, making up completely absurd stories, which he doesn't know, accounts like this are a disease for the public in this forum.

As I said in my now deleted by a DT Troll admin/mod - this thread should never have happened and you have to wonder why the OP started it in the first place?




Timelord2067    2021-03-20    Reference    I echo Yoshie's sentiments:

"Stupid, making up completely absurd stories, which he doesn't know, accounts like this are a disease for the public in this forum." (Delete)
You will know what is the reason I don't use the main account. Due to the fact that some of the current dt is very easy to blame its power for tag other users who do not fit into its thinking. Their neutrality is eliminated, so they are free to do whatever they want. Only a fool thinks that the facts someone reveals are part of the troll. You and YOSHIE are two equally stupid users and it is very possible that you are even more stupid than YOSHIE because you believe it without being able to verify the certainty of the story and that you are potentially being scammed.

Facts remain facts and you know what YOSHIE revealed in the forums before he was inactive for a few days?

You may respect someone, it's your human right, there's nothing to stop you, however, you know this is a forum, not a private space, If you claim something about someone else you need evidence to convince the community here, that's all the community asks for, nothing more, instead you speak indeterminate, how do you claim someone has died, without showing anything to convince other people.



Now, prove to me that the current YOSHIE is the real YOSHIE.

Are you sure that all the stories told are true stories?

Why does YOSHIE never say anything in this thread when he can talk to Coolcryptovator via his new telegram and send 2 tag on my profile?

Password changed, telegram changed, wallet changed and I am sure that the story would be very believable if all of this could be proven by YOSHIE himself with documents from his hospitalization as did Phinnaeus Gage before his death.

Now tell me why you never doubted the authenticity of the story that YOSHIE? He can't sign messages but he can use his hands to post two feedbacks on my profile and reply to chats Coolcryptovator him via telegram?

Never suspect that you are a very stupid person who easily believes something that cannot be proven and never admits the fact when a friend of yours is appointed as a guilty suspect.

Since the first time I have told all of you that I am not a person who hates YOSHIE and its contribution to this forum. I just wanted him to reveal the fact that whatever I suspected about him was wrong. Prove me guilty because I want everything about him to be okay?

All of this is not for me, but all of this is a form of concern for all of you who very easily trust someone who cannot verify himself. YOSHIE is YOSHIE, but YOSHIE is not YOSHIE if he cannot sign this message.
-----BITCOIN ADDRESS-----
15Z6q6STzyHawwHroemvmA7X4jsBdBH1MR
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is YOSHIE from bitcointalk.org and today is 2019.06.12
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
IHSKQGVN9HWVKjGdRe2hef8Kf9WL/40EuwsUOhqxDLtiIcj1sefzrmzwk36vWH7E77xQdclD2ksyYKHFeGBMZQM=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----


I am very grateful to friends, for verifying the address of BTC and my account.
You know what I mean, but you never want to admit it.
Don't show your strength if you don't know how to use it properly. Also, never judge me wrong if you don't know the truth yourself.
5  Economy / Reputation / Re: What happened to Yoshie? on: March 20, 2021, 02:47:46 AM
Good, that's what I've been waiting for. Now everything is finished. But the password has been changed during the period of inactivity, so everything will be fine if he can sign the messages he once did to this thread.

-----BITCOIN ADDRESS-----
15Z6q6STzyHawwHroemvmA7X4jsBdBH1MR
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is YOSHIE from bitcointalk.org and today is 2019.06.12
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
IHSKQGVN9HWVKjGdRe2hef8Kf9WL/40EuwsUOhqxDLtiIcj1sefzrmzwk36vWH7E77xQdclD2ksyYKHFeGBMZQM=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----


I am very grateful to friends, for verifying the address of BTC and my account.

But he changed & updated his signature to this

Quote
Be careful: never disturb something you never know, let alone personal.
Not all problems can be destroyed in this forum.
Tragedy of Feb 2021.

I don't expect it to be a threat to anyone who speculates about it as long as it's inactivity including outstanding loan issues. I hope he can sort things out with Shasan as quickly as possible personally or with the naked eye.

6  Economy / Reputation / Re: What happened to Yoshie? on: March 20, 2021, 01:54:42 AM
First, you should know that I am not a user who hates YOSHIE and its contributions. I know that YOSHIE is a prominent user on this forum and he has been considered a gem that deserves to be here for a long time.

But you don't have to argue with me just because you care so much to keep seeing him here to help out the bunch of bullshit companies that have gone too far to scam people without paying them the right way. As I explained, in a precarious situation, someone who has a reputation in the online space can still easily change if it is due to money. You must admit all of this in a neutral way.

The loan was not yet due so we can't attribute that to him for being inactive for awhile.
You just need to read more excerpts from the post interaction between YOSHIE and Shasan on the loan thread above before you reply.

As of now, he has not violation yet as the loan is extended which understandable since most of us are suffering from covid-19 effect and the loan of shasan that time was lower than the current price, so that's another thing.
Yeps and this is the deal. YOSHIE hasn't violated anything about the loan yet? You are completely wrong. YOSHIE was supposed to pay it off right in April after the duration was extended.
Quote
For now my debt + interest is 1.5 ETH, and in the future I will add 0.2 ETH interest will be a total payment of 1.7 ETH.
I will pay in April the 27th.

In April I will repay my debt in full with interest.
Please confirm, thank you.


He has been participating in a good campaign which pays good. Why would anyone scam such a small amount despite? I believe he is in trouble in real life. Regarding the loan, your calculation isn’t correct at all. Current total due is approx $2000 (160 ETC, I didn’t ask how it goes to ETC) I had a chat with shasan on this.
$2000 isn’t a big sum to scam for a profile like YOSHIE and most importantly he was in a good campaign.
Anyway, hope the best for YOSHIE and shasan.
No, YOSHIE is not cheating but he can't afford the loan + the interest keeps increasing. In short, if YOSHIE thought it was a small amount, why does it never pay it off when eth prices were below $200 in April. In fact he didn't have that much money, and eth prices continued to rise. If YOSHIE didn't have $200 back then, how could he currently pay it off with the current $2000 amount?

I probably won't speculate further on this loan if the two continue to interact on the same thread. However, since the agreement was made, you have never received any information about the status of the loan except for the YOSHIE profile * active loan *. You should also know what the risks are if the borrower agrees to loan something whose price is very volatile. 1.5 eth back then was probably only worth $160/ eth and YOSHIE only had $240 loans at the time.


The repayment date was 11 months ago. If YOSHIE scammed, I would expect shasan to have called him out by now.
I also hope shasan looks at this thread and provides some information on the status of the loans that are due. In fact, shasan is not too brave to say that YOSHIE has bad loans because of YOSHIE's reputation. But if that happens to someone else, then I'm sure he will do it right away. Even he was not brave enough to come here to dispel the speculation about the loan.

Long-term loans in an extremely volatile currency are very risky, especially for people coming from a country with low wages. If he didn't have the $200 he needed a year ago, it's not very likely he'll have a much larger amount now.
I like your neutrality in this case. Other people must also be neutral towards the case at hand. Regardless they know each other, support him, trust him. But in this case, they have to be neutral.

But since there's no scam accusation, this may very well have been settled in private.
The loan should not be completed by PM when there is a lot of information in the loan thread between the two. 160 ETC + current interest is the amount that has not been paid since the maturity date is April 2020.


It has not been settled yet or new loan has been given. I didn’t ask lots of details. Just asked shasan if he had any loan with YOSHIE. As I mentioned above, there's a loan of 160 ETC (ETH Classic). I didn’t ask how it comes to ETC although.
You don't have to be shasan's long sleeves in this case. Better ask him to come here and say something.


Now I want to speculate a little more, March 16 YOSHIE is still resetting passwords via email. I know he is still monitoring this thread until now and seeing the progress of his case. Some of the scenarios that can bring YOSHIE back faster are.
1. Shasan thinks this loan is complete.
2. Someone of you pays this loan to shasan.
3. Eth prices fell below $200.
4. YOSHIE won the lottery over $2000 and paid off the loan.

Once again, I emphasize that all of you must be neutral in the cases that occur in the forum. Regardless of who did it, reputation, position, neutrality had to exist. That's why you are needed here as a member of dt.
7  Economy / Reputation / Re: What happened to Yoshie? on: March 19, 2021, 02:42:05 AM
1. The first loan was successfully repaid
I need a small loan with a payback period of 25 days.

Loan Amount: 0.012 btc
Loan Purpose: personal repayment loans
Loan Repay Amount: 0.014
Loan Repay Date: 25 days
Type of Collateral:
Escrow profile Link: There is no
Bitcoin Address: 37EN3jM8iEVeB17aGJcJNXGmnfqmc2Dxwm

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
MESSAGE:
This is YOSHIE and today is January 3, 2020. I am asking for a 0.012 BTC loan. Repayment (0.014) will be made on or before 27 January to the Shasan BTC address.

This is my BTC address: 1AbZSygNhaf8365RNSGFtU6i8JhTtgswc9
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
IHSKQGVN9HWVKjGdRe2hef8Kf9WL/40EuwsUOhqxDLtiIcj1sefzrmzwk36vWH7E77xQdclD2ksyYKHFeGBMZQM=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I need a small loan with a payback period of 25 days.

Loan Amount: 0.012 btc
Loan Purpose: personal repayment loans
Loan Repay Amount: 0.014
Loan Repay Date: 25 days
Type of Collateral:
Escrow profile Link: There is no
Bitcoin Address: 37EN3jM8iEVeB17aGJcJNXGmnfqmc2Dxwm

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is YOSHIE from bitcointalk.org and today is 2019.06.12
MESSAGE:

I am asking (shasan) for a 0.012 BTC loan

This is my BTC address: 1AbZSygNhaf8365RNSGFtU6i8JhTtgswc9
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
IHSKQGVN9HWVKjGdRe2hef8Kf9WL/40EuwsUOhqxDLtiIcj1sefzrmzwk36vWH7E77xQdclD2ksyYKHFeGBMZQM=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
The loan request accepted. BTC sent.
TRX: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/041d46ec69db6793ed0cdc214730e41e0923290d09dae0ce3d14364c04bd4ce8
Repayment address: 36EpK54deMjWvGEeaQCEPf5hosAM1dp1NW

The loan request accepted. BTC sent.
TRX: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/041d46ec69db6793ed0cdc214730e41e0923290d09dae0ce3d14364c04bd4ce8
Repayment address: 36EpK54deMjWvGEeaQCEPf5hosAM1dp1NW
pay earlier than the specified schedule.

Full payment with interest has been sent.

Sent TRX: https://www.blockchain.com/en/btc/tx/f86d81e905373e52d5f27773b26902193543c70fba70f2eb8f49dd2a8c226e97

thank you. shasan.

The loan request accepted. BTC sent.
TRX: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/041d46ec69db6793ed0cdc214730e41e0923290d09dae0ce3d14364c04bd4ce8
Repayment address: 36EpK54deMjWvGEeaQCEPf5hosAM1dp1NW
pay earlier than the specified schedule.

Full payment with interest has been sent.

Sent TRX: https://www.blockchain.com/en/btc/tx/f86d81e905373e52d5f27773b26902193543c70fba70f2eb8f49dd2a8c226e97

thank you. shasan.
Thank you so much. Repayment made too earlier but full repayment.



2. The second loan is bad

Hello @Shasan, I plan to borrow again.

Loan Amount: 1.5 eth
Loan Purpose: personal
Loan Repay Amount: 1.7 eth
Loan Repay Date: 23 Februari 2020
Type of Collateral: -
Escrow profile Link: -
Ethereum Address: 0x8BE4545257D36506cB3ce94e6D3feb2f0e07e411

Greetings, yoshie
Thank you.

Hello @Shasan, I plan to borrow again.

Loan Amount: 1.5 eth
Loan Purpose: personal
Loan Repay Amount: 1.7 eth
Loan Repay Date: 23 Februari 2020
Type of Collateral: -
Escrow profile Link: -
Ethereum Address: 0x8BE4545257D36506cB3ce94e6D3feb2f0e07e411

Greetings, yoshie
Thank you.
The loan request accepted. ETH sent. Trx: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x8686848ff06743dc5443ccbe92f9de5bb6e1b0a55b273def4e73d002447547f9
Repayment address: 0x032e9A4385e850C7cC912Ff59B1f47B71B9C75BE

Extension request accepted if you repay the interest as you have mentioned.

Thank you, shasan. May I know the repayment address, please?
Repayment address: 0x032e9A4385e850C7cC912Ff59B1f47B71B9C75BE

Repayment address: 0x032e9A4385e850C7cC912Ff59B1f47B71B9C75BE
The first stage of payment has been made.

Tx: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x3712ef533dbc8b7971d6acb4d5c76faedcff224196cd4380df682d6e23b6d810

The first payment has been transferred 0.4 eth, + interest.

As discussed, (time) is extended, the remaining payment period is March 25, 2020. Next month.

With the remaining payment + interest of 1.5 eth.
Thanks. @shasan.
Regards
Yoshie.

Repayment address: 0x032e9A4385e850C7cC912Ff59B1f47B71B9C75BE
The first stage of payment has been made.

Tx: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x3712ef533dbc8b7971d6acb4d5c76faedcff224196cd4380df682d6e23b6d810

The first payment has been transferred 0.4 eth, + interest.

As discussed, (time) is extended, the remaining payment period is March 25, 2020. Next month.

With the remaining payment + interest of 1.5 eth.
Thanks. @shasan.
Regards
Yoshie.
Partial Repayment confirmed. The new repayment amount and date are also confirmed. Thanks.

Hello @shasan.
As discussed through PM.
Request additional time for payment.

For now my debt + interest is 1.5 ETH, and in the future I will add 0.2 ETH interest will be a total payment of 1.7 ETH.
I will pay in April the 27th.

In April I will repay my debt in full with interest.
Please confirm, thank you.


I will update this post, after paying the basic loan interest.
regards
yoshie

Hello @shasan.
As discussed through PM.
Request additional time for payment.

For now my debt + interest is 1.5 ETH, and in the future I will add 0.2 ETH interest will be a total payment of 1.7 ETH.
I will pay in April the 27th.

In April I will repay my debt in full with interest.
Please confirm, thank you.


I will update this post, after paying the basic loan interest.
regards
yoshie
Yes, you are right.


Since then, YOSHIE has never been seen paying off its loan to shasan (in part or in full). I just want to know what loan amount YOSHIE has to pay after the promised 1.7 ETH figure.

I just want you all to open your eyes wide and solve the problem on a case by case basis. Without having to support his sect, rank, position, and contribution to the forum, I think he's in big trouble. You never know what kind people and forum contributors will do when they are in an unfavorable situation. YOSHIE had to pay 2 ETH more than his bad loan in shasan. Is that called a fully permissible offense?

Current total loan + interest payable is $3520 or more. That's a pretty big sum for someone earning only $100 per week like YOSHIE from an signature campaign. Do you know what he can buy starting at $3520 in Indonesia? I think that kind of money can buy two new 150cc automatic motorbikes there.

My temporary guess about YOSHIE's attitude in leaving the forum is to avoid loan repayment, which is currently still active in the profile field at Shasan. I hope Shasan can confirm how much the total loan is. And now the loan is more than 1 year old since it was made. Don't say I'm guilty for revealing this. I only talk about current facts based on existing cases.

If my guess is correct, then YOSHIE is a forum contributor who is very untrustworthy because no matter how big his contribution, in the end he decided to make his profile and reputation tarnished by his attitude and tricks. So, what now do you think about YOSHIE?
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