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1  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 05, 2015, 09:06:23 PM
Still, i can understand if the investor wants to stay private. It doesnt mean that we have to have the same opinion on that topic.
what's your history on picking scams so far? briefly looking through your post history indicates that it is fairly easy to part you and your btc using a couple of nice words.
FWIW, SebastianJu is usually a valuable scam detector.
That he himself made some bad decisions in the past is probably true for most of us "experienced veterans".
That's precisely the reason why we're so good at telling scam and "things-that-just-didn't-turn-out-as-expected" apart.

edit:typo

Agree on the "valuable scam detector."
He's like a bloodhound, that Sebastian!  Sniffs them out, tracks them & falls for each.and.every.one.of.them.  I actually can't think of a single "bitcoin securities" scam he hasn't fallen for.
Haven't been following this section lately, but, as I remember, he's waiting on some anon pot grower to make him rich now?  Oh well, maybe 999th time's the charmed Undecided
2  Economy / Securities / Re: [CANNABIT] Investment Details - Announcement & Discussion Thread #cannabit on: June 04, 2015, 02:55:07 AM
Thanks jeezy. I will forward to him in the hope of speeding up things.

-snip-

How's it going, communications in full swing and everything?
Drug trade as happening as you figured it'd be?

3  Economy / Securities / Re: [CANNABIT] Investment Details - Announcement & Discussion Thread #cannabit on: May 07, 2015, 07:37:42 PM
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I will try reaching him though.

How's it hangin', Sebastian? How does your garden grow?



...
The same way he knows that Ukyo is going to pay him back. Because hope is the last thing to die.
4  Economy / Securities / Re: Looking for big Bitcoins investor for oil and energy investment in middle east on: April 23, 2015, 03:48:23 PM
Very investment
Such profit
Wow

That said, had the OP gentlemen done this a couple of years earlier, he would have found a far more receptive audience at his disposal. It's all about timing.
5  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: April 23, 2015, 12:05:30 AM
Here's something that's either funny or not: Active Mining is still being traded on https://cryptostocks.com/securities/56
Though the last trade was in February, there's still an order book, with buy & sell orders and everything Smiley
6  Other / Meta / Re: BFL subpoena on: April 19, 2015, 10:45:06 PM
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Before this degenerates into more internet lawyering & wiki quotin' ...

Clearly, I was too late Sad

So you're not selling bitcointalk accounts? Nor have sold accounts in the past?
Huh, must've mistaken you with some other pillar of bitcointalk community. What do you do now, sell trust? Cheesy
(your link doesn't work for me, not sure why)

Edit: Never mind, it was a truncated link, fixed it and looooooo! You do sell accounts, a whole thread of eking out a living by peddling them. What made you stop? Out of stock? Or did you stack enough cheddar?
7  Other / Meta / Re: BFL subpoena on: April 19, 2015, 09:15:29 PM
Does bitcointalk run some kind of casino? Does it engage in the business of betting? If not then your cited Interstate Wire Act does not show that the forum is breaking the law.

Wasn't pirate40 running a ponzi scheme on the forum? I know that there were threads about his ponzi on here. If you are saying that by not taking down scams the forum knows about they are breaking the law, and it should have been obvious that he was running a ponzi that would eventually collapse (e.g. a scam).

Bitcointalk engages in "transmission of a wire communication [...] for information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers."
Again, the fact that Theymos was not V& for pirate's f*ckup doesn't mean he is above reproach & should keep pushing the envelope. Most who break laws aren't charged. Until they are.

Before this degenerates into more internet lawyering & wiki quotin', let me point out that what you're doing now is absurd at best. You might think yourself a white knight, but in reality you're more like my clueless buddy, who started lecturing a statey when we got pulled over. From my passenger seat.
Had the cop gotten irked and as much as frisked me, it wouldn't have been his ass in the back of that cop car.

You may now return to... what is it that you do? Sell Bitcointalk accounts? Cheesy
8  Economy / Securities / Re: [CANNABIT] Investment Details - Announcement & Discussion Thread #cannabit on: April 19, 2015, 08:24:15 PM
Not sure what you want me to do, fall for every scams & then pretend that I haven't been scammed? Should i stay in denial for years, chatting with my scammers on IRC?
Like you?
Just seems pointless and stupid to me, but hey... different strokes, I suppose Undecided
9  Other / Meta / Re: BFL subpoena on: April 19, 2015, 06:53:34 PM
Why don't you cite the law that makes this policy illegal? Section 230 of the Communications Decency act protects the owners of a website who publish information provided by others.

There have been a number of court cases involving ponzis on the forum and theymos (or the forum) were not held liable

Not sure if you're intentionally missing the point. The case law cited in your wiki article does not address knowingly facilitating illegal activities.
In other words, a website allowing users to post pictures & being 95% child porn is not going to benefit from Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. Regardless of disclaimers.
Like I said in the past, the forum does not attempt to investigate if something is a scam or not therefore they do not have knowledge of illegal activity if there is any. Just because someone claims that something is illegal does not make it so. I ask again that you cite a law saying that the forum is breaking the law by not moderating scams.

Oh, let me see... Let's start with the gambling section.
There's the Interstate Wire Act, that goes something like this:
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Whoever being engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest, or for the transmission of a wire communication which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers, or for information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
there's also Internet Gambling Regulation, Consumer Protection, and Enforcement Act, a plethora more.
Plenty of things this forum can go down for, a veritable grab bag.
Still wanna to go there?

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Re. bitcointalk lawsuits: not you're referring to (links?), but the fact that theymos has not been charged with anything merely proves that bitcointalk is much more useful as a honypot, a place that a couple of fat LEO could monitor from the comfort of their office.
And providing a perfect paper trail to second-rate conmen, should their scams warrant sufficient interest.
As long as theymos cooperates, everything's fine. Thus far, he's been cooperative Smiley

I don't see your point here. So what if the forum is a de-facto honeypot? Don't break the law?

edit: link to case regarding illegal activity on the forum

Bitcointalk was not on the wrong side of the letter v. In the case you cited, it was Mr. Shavers.

I've pointed out that a street dealer being allowed to run around on the loose does not imply that dealing dope is legal.
It only implies that (a) he hasn't been popped yet, or (b) he's more useful to LEO as a snitch.
That's all.
10  Other / Meta / Re: BFL subpoena on: April 19, 2015, 06:08:19 PM
A disclaimer stating that scams are not banned doesn't absolve the forum from responsibility of being a vehicle for fraud.

By that same logic, if your Bitcoin node relayed a fraudulent transaction it received it would be a vehicle for fraud, therefore it's safe to assume every Bitcoin user running a node is just as guilty as theymos as undoubtedly every Bitcoin node has relayed a fraudulent transaction.

We're not discussing logic or how things should be, had we our way. We're talking about US laws. US laws do not allow US person to run websites where people sell CI drugs, or promoting unregistered securities. This is basic stuff.

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Thankfully the law doesn't work that way and there are laws in place designed to protect website owners from the actions of their users, which is why craigslist's owners aren't in jail for the actions of people like the Craigslist Killer.

If Craigslist operators knew the ad was placed by a murderer, were informed, on multiple occasions, that the guy was killing people, and refused to take down the ad? You can be absolutely certain they'd be jailed.

Further, if most of the ads on Craigslist were made by killers, putting a disclaimer along the lines of...

or, rather, "We do not remove ads by likely killers. Thus far, it appears that roughly 95% of these ads have proven to have been placed by confirmed murderers. Use your head." just wouldn't cut the mustard Undecided
The forum has instituted a policy to generally not look into the various deals that people are considering to make. As a result it does not know if something is a scam or not. A similar thing can be said about unregistered securities as the forum does not verify that something that could be considered to be a security is properly registered.

Such policy is simply illegal in US. As I already have pointed out, "If Craigslist operators knew the ad was placed by a murderer, were informed, on multiple occasions, that the guy was killing people, and refused to take down the ad? You can be absolutely certain they'd be jailed." That's what is being discussed - users alerting Theymos of a crime taking place, and Theymos refusing to act because policy.


Why don't you cite the law that makes this policy illegal? Section 230 of the Communications Decency act protects the owners of a website who publish information provided by others.

There have been a number of court cases involving ponzis on the forum and theymos (or the forum) were not held liable

Not sure if you're intentionally missing the point. The case law cited in your wiki article does not address knowingly facilitating illegal activities.
In other words, a website allowing users to post pictures & being 95% child porn is not going to benefit from Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. Regardless of disclaimers.

Re. bitcointalk lawsuits: not you're referring to (links?), but the fact that theymos has not been charged with anything merely proves that bitcointalk is much more useful as a honypot, a place that a couple of fat LEO could monitor from the comfort of their office.
And providing a perfect paper trail to second-rate conmen, should their scams warrant sufficient interest.
As long as theymos cooperates, everything's fine. Thus far, he's been cooperative Smiley
11  Other / Meta / Re: BFL subpoena on: April 19, 2015, 05:17:58 PM
A disclaimer stating that scams are not banned doesn't absolve the forum from responsibility of being a vehicle for fraud.

By that same logic, if your Bitcoin node relayed a fraudulent transaction it received it would be a vehicle for fraud, therefore it's safe to assume every Bitcoin user running a node is just as guilty as theymos as undoubtedly every Bitcoin node has relayed a fraudulent transaction.

We're not discussing logic or how things should be, had we our way. We're talking about US laws. US laws do not allow US person to run websites where people sell CI drugs, or promoting unregistered securities. This is basic stuff.

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Thankfully the law doesn't work that way and there are laws in place designed to protect website owners from the actions of their users, which is why craigslist's owners aren't in jail for the actions of people like the Craigslist Killer.

If Craigslist operators knew the ad was placed by a murderer, were informed, on multiple occasions, that the guy was killing people, and refused to take down the ad? You can be absolutely certain they'd be jailed.

Further, if most of the ads on Craigslist were made by killers, putting a disclaimer along the lines of...

or, rather, "We do not remove ads by likely killers. Thus far, it appears that roughly 95% of these ads have proven to have been placed by confirmed murderers. Use your head." just wouldn't cut the mustard Undecided
The forum has instituted a policy to generally not look into the various deals that people are considering to make. As a result it does not know if something is a scam or not. A similar thing can be said about unregistered securities as the forum does not verify that something that could be considered to be a security is properly registered.

Such policy is simply illegal in US. As I already have pointed out, "If Craigslist operators knew the ad was placed by a murderer, were informed, on multiple occasions, that the guy was killing people, and refused to take down the ad? You can be absolutely certain they'd be jailed." That's what is being discussed - users alerting Theymos of a crime taking place, and Theymos refusing to act because policy.

12  Other / Meta / Re: BFL subpoena on: April 19, 2015, 04:59:28 PM
A disclaimer stating that scams are not banned doesn't absolve the forum from responsibility of being a vehicle for fraud.

By that same logic, if your Bitcoin node relayed a fraudulent transaction it received it would be a vehicle for fraud, therefore it's safe to assume every Bitcoin user running a node is just as guilty as theymos as undoubtedly every Bitcoin node has relayed a fraudulent transaction.

We're not discussing logic or how things should be, had we our way. We're talking about US laws. US laws do not allow US person to run websites where people sell CI drugs, or promoting unregistered securities. The fact that such practices may be perfectly legal in Liberland is irrelevant. This is basic stuff.

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Thankfully the law doesn't work that way and there are laws in place designed to protect website owners from the actions of their users, which is why craigslist's owners aren't in jail for the actions of people like the Craigslist Killer.

If Craigslist operators knew the ad was placed by a murderer, were informed, on multiple occasions, that the guy was killing people, and refused to take down the ad? You can be absolutely certain they'd be jailed.

Further, if most of the ads on Craigslist were made by killers, putting a disclaimer along the lines of...

or, rather, "We do not remove ads by likely killers. Thus far, it appears that roughly 95% of these ads have proven to have been placed by confirmed murderers. Use your head." just wouldn't cut the mustard Undecided

But, again, we're not talking about logic, we're talking about US law.
13  Economy / Securities / Re: [CANNABIT] Investment Details - Announcement & Discussion Thread #cannabit on: April 19, 2015, 01:59:45 PM
personnaly I wonder if they will show again or if they ran away with our BTC ...

They did not run. I can tell you so much. Though im not sure when we get the next payment exactly.

So far im very sure this isnt dead.

Good news Cheesy I'll wait and see

Yes, i guess. Wink But i think shareholders really should think about moving the security because iam, personally, would see a risk putting div coins to cryptostocks as long as the owner isnt responding.

So what are shareholders thoughts about this topic?

At this point I don't care. How do you know that this isn't dead?

The same way he knows that Ukyo is going to pay him back. Because hope is the last thing to die.
14  Other / Meta / Re: BFL subpoena on: April 19, 2015, 01:11:55 PM
I'm surprised that BFL is such a small part of the forum. I was about to suggest you should just give them yesterday's forum snapshot Grin

Jokes aside... What the hell do we have to do with BFL? Why the hell should theymos be forced to lose time gathering all the information these guys need? If they need info, get them yourselves... Don't force your own citizens to work for you for free, gathering old information they have nothing to do about and sending them in if they don't bow to this... Pretty annoying.

As for the PM protection... I agree with Blazr. Losing your password would be a feature. But this also should be opt-in, with a big, annoying, one time warning.

Ignoring scams leads to this. Being proactive could resolve it simply banning BFL in 2012 or 2013 as things escalated. If you don't want to bother doing hours of info collation then eliminate the scammers sooner and permanently. No remorse here this subpoena has happened. It will happen again without any proactive measures by admins.
Scams are not banned. Unless some other rule was broken during that timeframe (I have no idea if one was, but I am going to go out on a limb and say that one was not) then a ban would not have been appropriate.

A disclaimer stating that scams are not banned doesn't absolve the forum from responsibility of being a vehicle for fraud. Scams are banned in US. Theymos is a US citizen, operating from US soil, regardless of where the servers are physically located, and is subject to US law.

@DeboraMeeks: And control of $ million + in BTC? Not gonna happen.
15  Economy / Securities / Re: AMHash1: Cost-Effective Mining Contract on: November 07, 2014, 03:45:10 PM
AMHash2 planned to open in the next week.  Perhaps even this weekend.

Should sell like hotcakes Roll Eyes

16  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 30, 2014, 05:23:18 PM


How many customers do you suppose those poor kids have? (Other than dad) Cheesy
17  Economy / Securities / Re: AMHash1: Cost-Effective Mining Contract on: October 25, 2014, 03:18:03 PM

AM isn't able to mine with profit and pay div, why can AMHash1 ?
 


As Rockie said, it is easier to sell the hashing power IPO now instead of shipping miner to customers.

FTFY
18  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: October 04, 2014, 11:29:26 AM
I don't care about share price...

I'm here for the divs.



The divs have stopped in March.
The price since that time has fallen by 2/3rds.
...not that you care Cheesy
19  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Container on: October 01, 2014, 04:06:11 PM
The rest of the containers are ordinary refrigerated 40-footers.

Each container is supposed to be 2PH/s, so only the obvious one is implied to be a datatank. Unless you think  most of the network is in that picture

Not sure what the pic is supposed to imply.  If the containers were actual 2PH/s units waiting to be shipped, they still would represent exactly 0PH/s, and 0% of the network.
They're clearly not hooked up, so not mining.
But I meant to say that the container on the crane is a shop.
20  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Container on: October 01, 2014, 03:06:51 PM
Any news you guys would like to share


You realize that's a shop, right?  The rest of the containers are ordinary refrigerated 40-footers.
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