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641  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Technical Analysis & other financial markets (bitcoinbullbear.com) on: February 06, 2012, 08:41:23 PM
S3052, did you remove your postings on the stock market apocalypse?  Where are they?  You did an analysis on the S&P 500 and predicted it would go down...a lot.  Are you too embarrassed to leave them up?  I bet if they came true you would be boasting about it instead of hiding them.  Please correct me if I am wrong.

642  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Catherine Flick spreads FUD on bitcoin and dual use on: February 06, 2012, 07:53:57 PM
Catherine Flick seems like a nice lady.  I think people are just fine tuning bitcoin and why it should exist and debating it with Catherine's arguments.  In addition, libertarians are also very passionate about individual freedoms.
643  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Catherine Flick spreads FUD on bitcoin and dual use on: February 06, 2012, 07:48:44 PM
I left this on the bitcoinmedia site:

Surveys like the one Catherine created can influence the psychology of people’s minds. What if I substituted “Bitcoin” with another phrase?

1.) Do you think it is good or bad for Catherine Flick to donate to hate or terrorist groups?
2.) Do you think it is good or bad for Catherine Flick to donate to legal political or other organizations?
3.) Things that Catherine Flick can do for good?
4.) Things that Catherine Flick can do for bad?

Asking questions like this can unfortunately associate Bitcoin with “bad” subjects, just like how Catherine Flick can be associated with these negative subjects.
644  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Are Bitcoins Securities Under U.S. Law? on: February 06, 2012, 06:20:16 PM
It's a reification http://www.thefreedictionary.com/reification so like the term God, we can make it whatever we want it to be. You can be Bitcoin Agnostic if you want, but if we all speak the language of Bitcoin then it's real enough. Bitcoin is really more of a religion that pays back whatever you put into it.

I think I read somewhere on this forum that bitcoin is an intrinsic property of the Internet.  As an analogy, Bitcoin is an elemental property of the Internet that was born similarly when elements where born out of the Big Bang.  It had to come into existence.  Sounds like sci-fi, but for real.
645  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Are Bitcoins Securities Under U.S. Law? on: February 06, 2012, 05:41:01 PM
I read your blog post and it seems what you have argued makes sense.  It seems like by the letter of the law (U.S. law) bitcoin is not a currency.  You also argued that bitcoin is not an investment contract.

To me it seems like if bitcoin is not a currency, and if it's not security (investment contract), then is bitcoin then a commodity?  Seems like you didn't mention anything about commodities, probably for some unmentioned reason.  In The Good Wife the lawyers also argued that bitcoin was a commodity.

I think bitcoin is like gold.  There is no "issuer".  Work needs to be done to "mine" for bitcoins.  Work needs to be done to "mine" for gold.  There is a limited supply of bitcoins and gold.

The value of gold goes up and down.  The value of bitcoins go up and down.  Some people choose to use gold, bitcoins, or both as an investment.

Surely, gold is not a security, nor is it a currency that is issued by a country.  Since bitcoin is so much like gold I have to conclude that bitcoin is a commodity.


646  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] New project from the company behind ExchB on: February 04, 2012, 05:44:51 PM
Can't wait!  Can you give us a hint?
647  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: FeedZeBirds Flies Again! - Reactivated and Online on: February 01, 2012, 07:47:35 PM
- Instant payment confirmation (your campaigns will activate immediately upon payment receipt - no need to wait for 6 confirmations now)

Congrats on your activation!

I have a question that is somewhat related and can move this to another topic if it bothers you.  How did you handle instant payment confirmation without waiting for 6 confirmations?  Could someone cheat the system by these instant confirmations?
648  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fun with Bitcoin, or how an exploit can hide in plain sight [seclists.org] on: February 01, 2012, 06:23:43 PM
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It's a very expensive attack but far from impossible.

Lol.  Pretty much anything can be far from impossible.

I can levitate if all the air molecules around me randomly decide to lift me up which is far from impossible.

1 or 1 gaziillion is so far away from infinity.
649  Bitcoin / Legal / Silk Road Research site legality on: February 01, 2012, 05:38:45 AM
It is hard to access silk road.  Would it be legal to have a website that caches silk road daily but u cannot buy anything from it?  It is just for curious people or for journalistic research.
650  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous People on: January 31, 2012, 09:25:16 PM
The concept of "team" is very important in all organizations and maybe even more so in open source projects.  Team interaction and communication is key.  If a person cannot communicate, lay down his ego, or continually brings up old issues then the whole team breaks down resulting in software paralysis.

Nope. Bitcoin is not a team. It is many teams in a community and part of a process. In project development, relationships aren't always and sometimes shouldn't be cordial.

For instance a regulator and the company they are overseeing, should not have a cordial relationship. Or upstream and downstream if they are functioning properly will have a contentious relationship; I've had some vicious past arguments with downstream before but we remained amicable and professional while disagreeing.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Staying_close_to_upstream_projects#Tips_On_Upstreaming_Patches

Many of the characterisations I see people making all the time comparing bitcoin to a business, a team or charity (to name a few) are unrealistically simple and naive.

Perhaps in open source development relationships aren't always cordial.  (That was why in the video Gavin posted the leads of Subversion were venting.)  I do know that most successful for-profit software development shops where one needs to be physically at work tends, for the most part, to be cordial in environment.  Most people don't want to go to work in a hostile environment and people who don't fit in will quit or get fired.

If I were lead I would want to produce an open source environment that is as cordial as possible, even though that may never happen.

651  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous People on: January 31, 2012, 08:16:47 PM
how socially normal he is.... WTF is this... how sick one must be to say things like this...

Luke's behavior on this matter is simply impecable... I can not find any cavity in his position on this matter...

As much I want to break free from position we are stuck in, but I can't dismiss what this guy says...

All of you, developers, are great people... I hope we will go through these days with lot of experience and it will make us stronger as community.

Quote from: Killdozer
How are personal issues relevant to choosing the right technical solution again? Maybe we should invite your normal babysitter, what he/she has to say in this, if that is a relevant metric_  Wink

The concept of "team" is very important in all organizations and maybe even more so in open source projects.  Team interaction and communication is key.  If a person cannot communicate, lay down his ego, or continually brings up old issues then the whole team breaks down resulting in software paralysis.
652  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous People on: January 31, 2012, 06:12:32 PM
Gavin seems to be a very reasonable guy on paper and in person in videos.  Gavin is also very transparent.  Satoshi, himself, annointed Gavin to lead the bitcoin project.  Gavin's voice clearly deserves to be weighted more than others.  I believe in Gavin.

I'd like to see a video of Luke to see how really socially normal he is.  It is easy to hide behind a keyboard, write BIPs and code.  But to take responsibility and ownership of a project and to put your face and reputation on it is another story.
653  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Engineering Project on: January 28, 2012, 05:32:56 PM
bitsyncom is developing a an Internet cell tower that is completely, I think, separate from the Regular Internet.  Users use it by paying for it with bitcoins.  The more bandwidth u use the more u pay.  since bitcoins can handle micro transactions it is perfect.
654  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This will change Bitcoin as you know it. on: January 25, 2012, 11:27:30 PM
Has anyone uploaded the digital copy to a Torrent site yet?   Grin  Grin
And actually, I was curious about this Matthew - what stance will you take on piracy?  Are you fine with people sharing the digital copy with each other, knowing that it will happen regardless?  Or are you going to attempt to fight it somehow?

I don't represent everyone at the magazine or BitTalk Media with the following comment, so take this with a grain of salt.

I personally think that if we have a magazine that is easily stealable, then it deserves to be stolen. We're not going to be giving out a pdf file for example.

On another note, I believe in the power of community. The only people ripping this magazine off would be those with absolutely no money and no thought of supporting the magazine- in which case they have their reasons and I appreciate that.

There is a dangerous line between print and digital though, and I want to make sure that the actions of digital release never complicate the print release. I have no problem with giving the digital away for absolutely free-- it's the fact that we'd have no revenue to print the physical issues that would be the problem.

Whatever we decide, everyone will find out at the same time as we're planning on Android, iPhone and general Web releases as well. I am also very open to suggestions for how to handle it (please, nothing like "Pay with a Tweet") and still keep the magazine alive.

I have been involved with a lot of clubs.  We try to raise money in different ways.  Car wash, door-to-door selling stuff, donations, etc.  However, there is one really effective way to raise money that is easy and effective.  The successful clubs I join run a raffle at each meeting and people can buy raffle tickets.  The prizes are donated or bought.  The revenue generated from the tickets funds the club.

So, if there was someway for you to run a raffle for prizes maybe you can use the money to fund the magazine, which will be for a good cause for bitcoiners.
655  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Armory - The most advanced Bitcoin Client in existence! on: January 25, 2012, 11:13:43 PM
Ehh, I don't agree.

You have a decent shot at being the de-facto client for a worldwide currency, because I'll bet people abandon the Satoshi client in droves at the first sign of real competition.

I live in the US too, so "Armory" is the preferred spelling for me as well, and such a change is a feature that would not benefit me at all.  The least I suggest is this might come up again, especially if the code attracts other contributors interested in localizing for other languages.

I am American and I prefer "Armory".  Didn't realize there was another spelling, "Armoury".  Only English, non-US really care about this.  Asian, non-latin languages don't really care about the spelling.  I think it is better to be consistent and just keep "Armory". 
656  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Armory - The most advanced Bitcoin Client in existence! on: January 23, 2012, 06:01:06 PM
Just so you know, I was the one that actually found the encryption flaw in 0.4.0.

Thumbs up!
657  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Union Square Ventures Leading Series B in Dwolla for About $10M. on: January 20, 2012, 06:34:44 PM
I am hoping Fred will ask Dwolla to integrate bitcoin into their services.
658  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Autonomous agents on: January 19, 2012, 10:31:19 PM
is this an academic/philosophical exercise or is there some profit to be gained from this that I am not understanding? Still very cool if it is the former, I just want to be sure I'm not missing something here.

Someone could program an agent that would try to make money, and profits could be split to the "father" of the agent.
659  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do you think Bitcoinica should switch to TradeHill? [Edited] on: January 19, 2012, 02:03:10 AM

Ok I'll bite.

Have you considered how difficult it would be for you to offer payment services?

Why would you enter the thread just to say something negative? As an adult, dont you find it inappropriate to just enter the thread to dispraise a 17 year old in his business venture... As a matter of fact, it seems like mr.Tong is the adult (for not calling you an asshole, which you clearly are) and you are the "kid".


hmmm, I did not interpret phantomcircuit's post like that at all

I thought he was just urging Z to build a portal out to the fiat economy, which we desperately need

That's precisely what I was saying, improved liquidity would benefit everybody, even those of us seemingly working at cross purposes.

However a hint of caution is necessary.

Accepting wire transfers, bitcoins, and mtgox codes is orders of magnitude simpler than other payment mechanisms.

Currently about 10% of the intersango code base is actually about exchanging bitcoins ... the rest is handling idiosyncrasies of various insane payment systems.


Intersango, Patrick, and Amir have a history of beef with Bitcoinica, even publicly saying "Bitcoinica is a way to separate fools from their money."  So, in my opinion there is indeed some negativity until there is some apology or proof.
660  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] BitSyncom Press Release NYC DEC 15th, 6PM on: January 18, 2012, 09:20:35 PM
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contracts#Example_7:_Rapidly_adjusted_.28micro.29payments_to_a_pre-determined_party

Example 7: Rapidly adjusted (micro)payments to a pre-determined party

Bitcoin transactions are very cheap relative to traditional payment systems, but still have a cost due to the need for it to be mined upon and stored. There are some cases in which you want to rapidly and cheaply adjust the amount of money sent to a particular recipient without incurring the cost of a broadcast transaction.

For example, consider an untrusted internet access point, like a WiFi hotspot in a cafe you never visited before. You'd like to pay per 10 kilobytes of usage for 0.001 BTC each, without opening an account with the cafe. A zero-trust solution means it could be fully automatic, so you could just pre-allocate a budget on your phones mobile wallet at the start of the month, and then your device automatically negotiates and pays for internet access on demand. The cafe also wants to allow anyone to pay them without the fear of being ripped off.

To do this, a protocol similar to one proposed by hashcoin can be used:

    Request a public key from the access point.
    Create but do not sign a transaction (T1) which sets up a payment of (for example) 10 BTC to an output requiring both the access points public key and one of your own to be used. The value to be used is chosen as an efficiency tradeoff.
    Create but do not sign another transaction (T2) which has two outputs, one to the access points key and another which goes back to you. The initial value is 0.001 BTC to the access point and the rest back to you. Use a sequence number of zero on the input and a lock time of some point in the future (eg, 1 day).
    Send both unsigned transactions to the access point. It sees that T1 and T2 are of the expected form and signs T2. It hands T2 back to you.
    Check T2 is signed correctly, sign T1 and T2. Send them to the access point which broadcasts them, thus locking in the agreement. Note that T2 won't get included into a block for at least one day, unless it's replaced by a newer transaction, as determined by the sequence numbers.
    Each time you want 10kb of data quota, sign a new version of T2 with a higher sequence number, the same lock time and adjust the outputs so more value is allocated to the access point and send it. The AP sees that the output sizes are correct, signs it and keeps it (does not broadcast).

This continues until the session ends or the 1 day period is getting close to expiry. The AP broadcasts the last transaction it saw, replacing the original that was pending. Once the lock time passes, the value transfer is committed. Alternatively if the session end is negotiated cleanly, the user can sign a transaction that's final (sequence number of UINT_MAX) which signals that no more data quota will be purchased, allowing instant commitment of the transaction.

The lock time and sequence numbers avoid an attack in which the AP provides connectivity, and then the user double spends the output back to themselves using the first version of TX2 thus preventing the cafe from claiming the bill. If the user does try this, the TX won't be included right away giving the access point a window of time in which it can observe the TX broadcast, and broadcast the last version it saw, overriding the users attempted double spend.
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