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1  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Community brainpan - please discuss and debate desirable features for a miner on: June 24, 2016, 04:41:32 PM
SDN technology is still in its infancy. In fact, Brocade has the capability built into their switches via VXLAN and OpenFlow and sells a few controller options, but actual enterprise solutions are few and far in-between. Their demonstrations are all based on Mininet in a virtual environment. HP, well, their switches might have OpenFlow capability, but the functionality is a joke. Cisco claims they are working on an SDN solution, but where is the firmware for their switches? SDN is not even designed as a replacement technology for VLANs. Anyway, VLANs have their place in major enterprise network where they are frequently used in conjunction with VRFs and MPLS to extend the enterprise over multiple campus networks.

All of that to say, I agree with you. VLANs would only serve to add complexity that is unnecessary.
It is good to have somebody knowledgeable post here about SDN. My comment to the above is that SDN is to the large extent a fancy packaging of the old-style GRE tunnels (Generic Routing Encapsulation), so the devices not explicitly supporting SDN can still be made to interoperate with them, because GRE was rolled out in late 1990-ies.

But I posted here to somehow constructively close this derail. The original problem was to have disjoint IPv4 subnets on a single LAN segment. If this LAN segment is under single administrative control it is best to support that using IPv4 aliasing. Windows fully supports it since NT4. Unix-like system supported IP aliasing even earlier, review the "man ifconfig". Depending on your actual configuration you may need to review and hand modify your routing table ("route" and "netstat -r"). Also be aware of possible ICMP redirect packets that could install temporary routes. With some careful configuration done you can even have more than one DHCP server running on the same LAN segment. Various DHCP exclusions/special identifiers will need to be set up to make that work correctly. Again, read the docs.

In the SOHO (Small Office Home Office) market segments using VLANs is really risky. The problems are:

0) previously mentioned botnet-hiding tricks in malware and various workarounds for those attacks in networking equipment/software sold in the SOHO segment.

1) lack of full hardware support for VLAN-tagged packets in many cheap network switches/routers. They tend to support VLANs through software exceptions that make them work much slower. The cheapest devices tend to have firmware/hardware cheats that not even fully work but pretend just enough to pass the "Compatible with Windows" tests administered by Microsoft.

2) color printers/copiers/scanners on the segment with VLAN tags are your worst enemy. Those devices always have secret police firmware to prevent printing/copying banknotes, not even the printer manufacturer has the source code and they cannot fix all the bugs.

In my experience helping various part-time small-network administrators IPv4 aliasing is a safer choice than VLAN tagging. If you insist on using VLANs then buy some old Cisco IOS router/switch just for the purpose of using it in debugging and troubleshooting, not in a normal production/operation. Cisco IOS is extremely complex but also there's lot of information for it available for free on the Internet. It is also extremely well debugged and has extremely good debugging/logging tools available.

2  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Community brainpan - please discuss and debate desirable features for a miner on: June 24, 2016, 05:53:27 AM
Agreed, I was just answering the question posed. I understand VLANs and such, but that's because I've been doing that stuff for a relatively long time, and without a CCIE even.  Wink
Understood, VLANs aren't really rocket science. But they are also nowadays a history. With the exception of the USA true IPv4 globally-routable addresses are in acute shortage. Modern ISPs rarely provide "the Internet" with plain IPv4 technologies. Nowadays it is a mixture of PPPoE (8-byte tags instead of 4-byte tags in VLAN), MPLS (variable tag sizes) or by tunneling IPv4 in IPv6. So adding 4-byte VLAN tags to the "Internet" side is really pointless. It is much better to understand what is the "native" transport layer on the "Internet" side and configure everything else accordingly.

The reality of 2016 is that VLANs are now mostly botnet-hiding trick. Most of the past users of VLANs moved on to the more general and flexible SDNs (Software-Defined Networks).

I think that these days advising someone to learn configuring VLANs is like advising necromancy.


3  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Community brainpan - please discuss and debate desirable features for a miner on: June 24, 2016, 03:35:58 AM
My one-employee business runs VLANs, but that's only because of the hosting subnet. A miner requring the customer to use VLANs very much violates the "simple" requirement.
I now have a standard answer to those "one-man company" arguments. It is a old poem by some Russian poet:

Quote
A lonely sail is flashing white
Amidst the blue mist of the sea!...
What does it seek in foreign lands?
What did it leave behind at home?..

Waves heave, wind whistles,
The mast, it bends and creaks...
Alas, it seeks not happiness
Nor happiness does it escape!

Below, a current azure bright,
Above, a golden ray of sun...
Rebellious, it seeks out a storm
As if in storms it could find peace!
Quote
Белеет парус одинокий
В тумане моря голубом!..
Что ищет он в стране далекой?
Что кинул он в краю родном?..
 
Играют волны - ветер свищет,
И мачта гнется и скрыпит...
Увы, - он счастия не ищет
И не от счастия бежит!

Под ним струя светлей лазури,
Над ним луч солнца золотой...
А он, мятежный, просит бури,
Как будто в бурях есть покой!
4  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Community brainpan - please discuss and debate desirable features for a miner on: June 24, 2016, 03:09:29 AM
You could do that with a controller that allowed sub-interfaces/virtual interfaces to be configured on a single ethernet port, and a switch that could handle standard VLANs and VLAN trunking. One VLAN with the miners, one VLAN with the controller and the connection to the internet. You would want the miners to use DHCP, and then configure the controller to act as a DHCP server on the miner VLAN.
Perish the thought!

VLANs aren't a consumer-level concept. I would argue that they even aren't business-level concept unless the business has several hundred employees or at least one CCIE (or equivalent) network administrators.

They are also emerging as a new way of hiding malware botnets, several better network security devices (both high-end and low-end) are flagging VLAN-tagged traffic as intrusions.

Also, VLAN-tagged frames have unfortunate property of causing crashes or malfunctions in otherwise quite reliably working network hardware. This includes Intel which was co-architecting the current VLAN standards! Some people more paranoid than myself even have an opinion that the malfunctions/crashes/malware flagging is the tactic to increase sales by "planned obsolescence". From my recent memory the business class Samsung printer/copiers/scanners have particularly nasty bugs cased by the presence of VLAN-tagged frames.
5  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Community Miner Design Discussion on: June 23, 2016, 02:08:06 PM
Now that I have come to this point let me to reveal my other secrets:

The way I understand semi-smart contracts and SADO's they are the ultimate answers to the canonical debate about the Bitcoin scalability and I deeply believe there will be no other long term solution for problems like micro payments and the headroom needed for high volume transaction processing.
Secrets?

Ultimate answer is "semi-smart contracts and SADOs"?

Wrong!

The Ultimate Answer is 42.
6  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Community brainpan - please discuss and debate desirable features for a miner on: June 23, 2016, 01:54:00 AM
Now these guys http://www.newson.be/doc.php?id=CUA-XXX-XY2-24V have a pure TCPIP mode for (galvo) controllers.
I haven't looked into details, but this device doesn't look like it would be suitable for coin mining. In this application the key functionality is asynchronous notification from the device to the controller that the golden nonce has been found or that the nonce range search has ended. It is non-trivial to do it fast, reliably and correctly. I have no experience with this particular interface, but I've tested many, many similar ones over the years. Few of them meet the the 3 requirements stated earlier. Most of them are barely working as event inputs and require tight polling loops. They are typically designed for output or for bulk streaming input.

Interestingly the various "trigger" devices used in music production work very well, I guess the musicians are particularly sensitive to have the computer really work on a cue from a human, not vice-versa.

Interestingly, bitfury who is an excellent engineer, proposed earlier an IP-based mining protocol that was susceptible to exactly this failure mode. I'll add a link once I find it.

Edit: I've found it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84791.0
7  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Community brainpan - please discuss and debate desirable features for a miner on: June 22, 2016, 10:46:26 PM
I'm reading this post as implicitly stating that you are going to have some people helping you with procurement, manufacture and distribution. So it won't be "sidehack"-alone project, but some other folks will be working closely with you.

In that case get one of those people interested in verifying how to apply regular bank financing in your project. The regular way for small businesses to manufacture made-to-order stuff is via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_credit . The buyers will not be able to gratuitously back out of orders and you will be able to order parts and components on the regular commercial net terms instead of prepaying for them.

The Wikipedia article I linked is not a good description of the concept. It is best to find somebody who isn't afraid to step into the branch and directly talk to somebody in merchant services. I presume that "GekkoScience" is an actual proper registered business entity and not just and expense code on sidehack's personal bank account. Also, the letters of credit require funding, which would fall onto hand of the group buy organizers, but it is much easier to set up than receiving and holding letters of credit.
8  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: IBM takes a leap to 7nm on: June 15, 2016, 02:10:40 AM
If it's a "legit" co-lo facility, security can be part of the package. How secure depends on the facility and how much you want to pay...
Paying for physical security and achieving a physical security always were (and are) two different things. I do remember working at one of those "secure colocation centers" which had armed guards and hand geometry scanners near the front door and a wide-open elephant door in the back where theft was going by the truckloads.

Co-location was and still is full of completely fraudulent security theater.

Since this thread has IBM in the title I also remember that IBM used to do "security ratings" for their partners. The suburban office with separate alarm circuit for the IBM-partner equipment room, no guards whatsoever and the receptionist and all employees mutually recognizing each other by sight would get higher rating than that "secure colocation center".

Edit: Found the link to those "secure" co-locators: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_Communications
 
9  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: IBM takes a leap to 7nm on: June 15, 2016, 01:13:49 AM
For us lowly 'small' miners best we can do is the recycle yard or pass-it-down resale.
I was under impression that many of the 'small' miners are actually hosting/co-locating their mining equipment at the 'moderately large' mining farms. That would be an equivalent of the olden mainframe days where many 'small' mainframe owners were actually co-locating them at reasonably large data centers and frequently renting/leasing peripheral devices (like large hardware RAM disks) only when needed.

Then the only remaining issue is the physical security: that the miners using experimental chips did not go missing in the night or the owner of premises for the mining farm repossesses/places a lien on the equipment for nonpayment of the rent or electricity bills.

Edit: I remember seeing the photographs of the DRAM banks for the aforementioned hardware RAM disks. The DRAM chips were all in DIP packages and all socketed. To avoid the theft the DRAM banks were then cemented to steel plates on top to prevent individual removal. One of the "thefts" to prevent was actually not theft (chips goes missing) but unauthorized replacement (experimental chip replaced with an off-the-shelf equivalent). Apparently in the DRAM business seeing and measuring un-binned chips would allow detailed reverse-engineering of the manufacturing process. This includes not only taking the actual possession of the experimental chip and de-capping it but also a temporary removal from the original socket to run a battery of post-manufacturing electrical tests and then putting the chip back in the original circuit.
10  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: IBM takes a leap to 7nm on: June 14, 2016, 11:31:09 PM
To put it in short form, ja miner ASICS could make very simple handy process targets to tinker with. The companies researching 10/7 are not about to make the process targets as for-saleable items.

The fact that IBM and friends have already done a functional mammoth count 7nm test chip says that they are way beyond needing simple targets and have to concentrate on the process and materials basics to make the process usable on a commercially viable scale.
The "for-sale" problem is usually solved by leasing the new chips with mandatory return to the manufacturer after the end of the useful life of the product. I've learned about this trick a while back: hardware RAM disk (mainframe device) manufacturers would lease large quantities of experimental and not-up-to-spec DRAM chips to assemble their "disk drives". IBM (and others) were happy to just lease those "RAM disks".

The general idea of leasing would actually mesh quite well with the Bitcoin mining business model.
11  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: IBM takes a leap to 7nm on: June 14, 2016, 07:51:24 AM
I suspect IBM will share the tech with their partners - eventually - but they have to get it working reliably first.
The last part of the above sentence is plainly wrong. IBM first shares the technology with the partners to debug it, then once it works reliably starts selling for money to the regular customers. This is why IBM is so picky when forming partnerships: they have to be reasonably assured that the partner relationship will provide them with truthful feedback required to achieve IBM's customers' expectations of quality.

You seem to have this partnership relationship backwards.
12  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: IBM takes a leap to 7nm on: June 14, 2016, 04:41:50 AM
Ja. Silly question perhaps but how many hashing cores/engines do Bitmains chips have (or Avalon's, BitFury's)? In the 1385 data sheet they always refer to things as 'core'. Singular, not plural or more.

I believe the Monarch had 256 cores/chip or something like that. I know Inno/Bitmine.ch's A1 had "27 highly optimized hashing engines based on custom ASIC cells up to 1.6M" (quote from the A1 spec sheet). IF what they refer to as cells are actually gates (or if each cell is actually 2 gates) then that raises the count but even w/256 nearly 10x more gates it's a long way from the near 2-billion in the latest (affordable) CPU/GPU/s.

2112 wanna pop in on this? Should be right up your alley.
I really don't have anything important to add to this thread.

1) As far as core counts: I wouldn't pay much attention to the marketing blurbs. Technical accuracy isn't an objective there. The words and sentences are mostly meaningless, whatever sounds most impressive wins. Only trust sidehack's calculations or equivalent methods. "Custom cell" may mean as little as "standard cell" with  JTAG/testing connections/circuitry removed/defeated.

2) As far as IBM sharing the access to the 7nm process with fabless boutique designers: I see no problem from the IBM side, IBM typically is quite good with sharing their technology with their long term partners. I see a problem from the coin mining entrepreneurs side: this niche doesn't attract trustworthy/stable people. IBM does thorough vetting of their prospective partners / developers / resellers. Even people much less skeezy that in the Bitcoin milieu fail to make an entry grade in the IBM Developer's Program. Even Spondoolies, the least weird company in the niche, found hiring full time hardware engineering staff impossible.
13  Other / Meta / SSL settings change 2016-06-13 19:55 UTC on: June 13, 2016, 08:03:00 PM
They are now too tight and this site cannot be read on older Macintoshes with older OSX Leopard. Can you loosen it back a little?

Edit: Sorry for double post. Things seem to be working fine now, 15 minutes later. It seems like strange temporary routing change inside Amazon, probably related to DDoS or anti-DDoS defenses, I can't fully trace it right now.
14  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Swallowing a whale which becomes a frog when swallowed on: June 11, 2016, 04:15:33 PM
Okeydokey, I hope that you finished your editing and I can reply.

Side note: This forum allows unlimited editing of own posts. This doesn't mean that you can keep ninja-editing without clearly marking your edits. If you can't finish for some reason leave a note at the end that you will continue and when. At minimum ninja-edits are impolite, oftentimes they are just a symptom of a liar or a scammer. End side note.

You should have started like this from the beginning. Your goal isn't "to fix Bitcoin". Your goal is "to fix the humanity, maybe with the help of Bitcoin". You would have found many more receptive and friendly souls on this forum if you were open and honest, both with yourself and with the readers.

While I have nothing against your manifesto, I think it will not be well received. The majority of the current Bitcoin users/investors/promoters are not afraid that a whale could turn to a frog. They joined the project not because they could get "more". They joined because the project guaranteed that the other will get "less". They will just happy with "a frog" provided that the other get smaller frogs or other smaller animals.

Anyway, I'm mentally filling your case under "Don Quixote of La Mancha" together with Bicknellski and his "Wasp Project Collective" (and some others). It will be the easiest to monitor your progress on the whole manifesto by focusing on item 6, "mastering the technology". Lets see if you actually have fortitude to get an FPGA development kit to test yourself and your ideas.
 
2112,
Regarding your latest question about my incentives for the 'propaganda'

Obviously I'm an Entrepreneur and activist with ideas about having my people and country involved in cryptocurrency business because I do believe it is a relief for both sides. Bitcoin needs balanced and distributed power and my country needs progress and development to avoid violence.

We ordinary people are like you: we make love, we cry we die. our children deserve better than we have right now, like yours. Bitcoin and cryptocurrency is an opportunity for all of us to make the world a better place.

I want to do this not by just milking my country's energy resources in the interest of myself or my friends. I have an idea and I have strong reasons that this idea works:

1- We have good resources of energy here and electricity is extremely  inexpensive.

2- One good news about SHA256 ASIC is its simplicity. with a moderate (but confident and aggressive) investment we can keep our business almost up to date and competitive when combined with cheap electricity.

3-All we need is know-how plus (about say 2-3 million dollars) investment plus good business partners in technology field.

4-We can keep such a business running in a very competitive state and profitable. We can use our hash power to keep bitcoin safe and strong.

5- We will use our business as a focal point for propagating science and technology in the region. We will make our business an example in the region , an icon of descent development and science ( a new, resurrected science, this time born to be democratic, humanitarian to be  a relief).

6- We should start by designing and mastering technology from the very beginning even with first few thousand bucks of investment. Every thing as always is about the start.

7- I am working hard on the theoretic aspects and attracting cooperations and sympathies about a DAO like institution to raise funds for my project.

8- We need crowd funding to have both sides' (my people and Bitcoin community) interests fulfilled, otherwise we have to go through endless negotiations with greedy dangerous people who want everything (the whale) just for themselves  to swallow.


15  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Swallowing a whale which becomes a frog when swallowed on: June 09, 2016, 09:27:49 PM
You are making every thing personal and it is off topic. but let's play your game:
I understand that it may look personal to you. The fact is that you aren't saying anything new, you are just another person who finally confronted his ideal of Bitcoin with reality of Bitcoin and it isn't happy with what he sees. You are however unique with your ability to quite clearly state objection and are doing the objecting with enchanting poetic slant that is new.

1- mining is not about efficiency! Who told you that? mining is just a mechanism to avoid inflation, it is all of the purpose behind 'proof of work' . The protocol  is designed to act against efficiency by adjusting difficulty, simple and basic. As I have mentioned above the whole ASIC thing is a crack a kind of cheating and bitcoin is struggling with it and the popularity of Etherium and Litecoin and others, the main argument they have, is about their supposed immunity against this crack (being more memory bound and computation intensive to be economically feasible enough to be ruined by ASIC manufacturers, comparing to simple double SHA256 algorithm)
Baloney. Proof-of-work is just an approximation of "fair" initial distribution of bitcoins, for some definition of "fair" acceptable to some people. Your use of "crack" is just your anger showing up, nobody is trying to crack any ciphers in any of the PoW crypto coins. It is just a way to run a decentralized lottery, they more you hash the more tickets you buy in the lottery that distributes the coins.


2- Satoshi's white paper or Bitcoin source code are good stuff to understand something but not enough at all. See? you come here, claiming to be an expert but you do not understand the core idea behind the most basic concept of bitcoin: proof of work, and your reference is the White Paper and the Source Code. And why I am going so far? Look at you! You are here to argue with me against another most basic concept: decentralized nature of Bitcoin, denying (and/or totally not understanding) the only accountable  threat to decentralization: ASIC monopolies.
There aren't any ASIC monopolies. There is some sort of oligopoly built by those who actually understand the logic design and semiconductor manufacturing. They fair and square outcompeted the much less efficient and more idealistic competitors who were against borrowing/financing or did it less efficiently. The nearest to the monopoly in the Bitcoin milieu is the Core Development team but it is slowly crumbling.  
 

3- MW refers to Megawatts = 1000000 Watts and mW refers to milliwatts = 0.001 Watts and in the Middle East we learn stuff like this in junior high school.
Well, I give you A grade for this, you already have advantage over many fellow miners who are completely befuddled by that Systeme International d'unites.


2- I didn't make any claim about a degree in some science or tech field. It is my privacy and have not to argue about, but in the Middle East we have a lot of well educated brilliant engineers and scientists. It is 2016 and education is not an obstacle. Actually , because of social and political conflicts, here we have much more incentives to be armed with advanced technology (as a human being living in the danger zone), engineers here have nothing other than their expertise and they take care about it much more than what one may expect.
Yeah, I don't want to violate your privacy. But can you speak in some more general ways that would still convey your predicament? You claim that there are many native engineers and scientists in your region. How came you didn't avail yourself of their advice? I mean no official contract, but something informal like discussion over lunch or breakfast? There must be some acceptable Middle-Eastern way to get informal advice. In Europe, where I had most of my education, such door-opening and lips-loosening helper would be a bottle of decent alcoholic beverage (for better or for worse).

So, how come you ended up with falling deeply for the propaganda? And doing that despite your education? Can you describe that in some non-specific (maybe even poetic) way, without doxing yourself or your school?

Edit: Pasting the ninja-edit for posterity:
You are making every thing personal and it is off topic. but let's play your game:

1- Mining is not about efficiency! Who told you that? Mining is just a mechanism to avoid inflation by limiting the supply of bitcoin. It is very important to understand that the whole mining thing is an artificial, unnecessary waste of computing power, do you believe it? from a pure programming point of view you don't need more than a few hash calculations to keep blockchain working exactly the same it is working now just you (theoretically) can have tens of blocks per second and a inflammatory coin issuance situation. It is all of the purpose behind 'proof of work' . The protocol  is designed to act against efficiency by adjusting difficulty, simple and basic!
As I have mentioned above the whole ASIC thing is a crack a kind of cheating and bitcoin is struggling with it. The popularity of Etherium and Litecoin and others, the main argument they have, is about their supposed immunity against this crack (their proof of work being more memory bound and computation intensive to be economically feasible enough to be ruined by ASIC designers and manufacturers, comparing to simple double SHA256 algorithm).

And it is ruining not only the Bitcoin but the environment as well, you love numbers? check these:
We got some 4.55 XHS total hashing power at the time of this writing. Let's estimate the average power consumption of miners to be  0.5 W/GH (very optimistic)
using my high school level knowledge: 4.55*10^18 * 0.5 / 10^9 = 2.28 * 10^9 W = 2280 MW
with current technology you need 378 kg coal to be consumed (producing CO2 and releasing it to the atmosphere) for each MW/h of electricity. It means we burn 862 tons of coal each hour for what? absolutely nothing! The dramatic increase in the difficulty and the hash rate, means nothing other than an invasion against the nature and wasting valuable resources. ASIC does not make it more efficient, it just escalates it.

Satoshi's white paper or Bitcoin source code are good stuff but not enough ... See? you come here, claiming to be an expert but you do not understand the core idea behind the most basic concept of bitcoin: proof of work, and your reference is the White Paper and the Source Code. Look at you! You are arguing with me against another most basic concept: decentralized nature of Bitcoin, denying (and/or totally not understanding) the only accountable  threat to decentralization: ASIC monopolies.
 

2- I didn't make any claim about a degree in some science or tech field. It is my privacy and have rights not to disclose my education level, but in the Middle East we have a lot of well educated brilliant engineers and scientists. It is 2016 and education is not an obstacle. Actually , because of social and political conflicts, here we have much more incentives to be armed with advanced technology (as a human being living in the danger zone), engineers here have nothing other than their expertise and they take care about it much more than what one may expect.
16  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Swallowing a whale which becomes a frog when swallowed on: June 09, 2016, 06:41:13 PM
God! again? another legendary?! Shocked

First of all as a 'legendary' you shouldn't post off-topic!

Bitcoin is not about 'reality', it is about 'change', it is a 'paradigm shift', and yes it is sort of a religion, and I'm not anti-Chinese I just have not enough trust to their communist party not 'socializing' mining firms and monopolizing some 2/3 of total hash power of the network, ruining up to 8 billion dollars of people's assets and a promising future for humanity.

About economics: come on! Have you ever been studying an economic paper just for 1 continuous hour? Most of the people are used to messing with economics and other branches of science by their media-driven common sense .
Thanks for responding. This is 100% on-topic because everyone here is interested in who would invest in mining and what is their motivation.

So I gather that the feel on the Middle-East is that Chinese are monopolizing mining. My take is that Chinese were amongst the few who really understood that mining is about efficiency and real technical advantage gained by investing in efficient semiconductor implementations.

No need to read any economic papers: to understand Bitcoin concepts and mining it is sufficient to read Satoshi's paper and browse the source code. Everything else is just a commentary or propaganda. Proof-of-work is a technical equivalent of might-makes-right. What else is to say? Blame yourself for signing into a project that you didn't understand.

I guess I overestimated your educational background. It seems to be purely words-based, no sign of understanding numbers. Do you even understand the difference between MW and mW? I still wish I could somehow learn what kind of school one has to graduate from to have such superficial (but nicely-worded) outlook on Bitcoin as you've exhibited in your posts. From the very little I know about Middle-Eastern technical schools the most students there are purchasing grades either directly or by hiring tutors and consultants.
17  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Swallowing a whale which becomes a frog when swallowed on: June 08, 2016, 08:39:27 PM
All right, I'm so fascinated about this poster that I can't pass this opportunity.

It is clearly somebody reasonably well educated but also somebody completely dissociated from reality. Is it drugs? Is it education in some closed private school? What could that be? I see more than a smidgen of anti-Chinese sentiment. Is it some sort of religious fervor?

The wikipedia reference points to somebody with extensive humanities education but without comprehending mostly basic numeracy and economy one would expect from a bazaar trader.

God bless this topic, I enjoyed a lot. I am from and live in a Middle Eastern country. We have good electricity fees here for industrial sector. But industry is f*d up, business is f*d up , politics is corrupted, government is ruined totally, .... the worst corner of the hell, the Middle Hell.
I think btc is (or can be) a relief and mining is a door, the right one for us to begin entering to the btc world. We (millions of educated people here)  need bitcoin community's help and you need ours as well:
We can and must take part in the decentralization agenda of the bitcoin community, by our energy, by our money, by our knowledge and human resources.
We can beat Chinese or participate in beating them, they subsidize electricity? We own the source of their electricity.
We should start and for this we need help. We can't pay 2K$  to buy an already retired off-the-shelf Chinese miner hardware and wait for the halving , the difficulty to raise or some btc price drop to set us up. I can't convince people here to invest in the darkness, they won't. We need a certain minimum level of mastering and enough options and space to maneuver. We have to customize, to have the ability and the option to customize the technology.
For the moment I am deeply interested in this 'sidehack project'.  Unfortunately I couldn't be able to put together a good conclusive answer to my following questions (a lot of slang has been used, not a good practice for an international forum, though):
1- How can we define the ultimate, big picture target of the project today, after all discussions and improvements?
2- In what specific stage are we at the moment?
3- How can one contribute (financially, technically, ... )?

I am deeply familiar with Blockchain and bitcoin/altcoin technology and terminology but It would be highly appreciated if somebody please give me brief answers (from a technical/philosophical/social/economical/... perspective ) to the above questions using a formal plain language and literature. I need to know about this project's potentials to be hired as a platform for my plan to start a campaign for coordinating people's knowledge and financial resources here to take a role in the btc movement.
ASIC has ruined everything and decentralized philosophy of bitcoin, struggles to survive. ASIC mining hardware manufacturers are crawling to top while (at least some of them) showing  fake sympathies about decentralization.
Recently I have been involved in a negotiation with Bitmain for having access to their bare hashing board samples for an immersed liquid cooling project of mine, witnessing how their official policy of giving their products out to public is fake. Making a technology  public domain is not just about selling off the shelf products with enough delay to take all of the advantages of being the first. People have rights to be more involved in details and have access to the chips, the pcbs, etc ....
Bitmain is the worst player because of cheating and being a hypocrite but no other ASIC mining hardware producer is honorable. They are all the same fools who do not understand the paradoxical nature of their strategy (swallowing a whale which becomes a frog when swallowed).
The main, generic problem with this dirty hardware industry is its  'money intensive'  characteristic. If it was about Google or Microsoft trying to monopolize software, no problem at all and an opportunity for devs to have fun. But it is, this hardware shit, all about the money.
I am thinking of a DAO like institution to raise millions of dollars with a pure nonprofit philosophy to back community oriented hardware development projects. Is it feasible? Have you any alternative plan?
By the way: I'm looking for bare hashing boards (at least 10 pieces) for my immerse liquid cooling project. I prefer the boards to be of the most recent technologies, any help available? Any recommendations?
I have to apologize too. I overreacted. But really, guys here do not pay a shit to newcommers. Bad attitude!
But it is about mining and I am in the right forum. I have plans to make money but my plans are fair and transparent and are green in terms of enhancing the decentralized nature of bitcoin. But I am under attack by bullies and I'm not alone: every single miner is aware of the threat, ASIC is basically a crack it is historically known to be a crack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custom_hardware_attack We have to do something and it can't be a patch to the algorithm it should be done in an organized way supported by the Blockchain technology itself. You people (being legendary, or elder fellows or so) have to lead us, encourage us. Bitcoin is beautiful. We need it to make life better for ourselves and our children. We have to do more about this ASIC shit.
For the moment I am proposing a streamlined public investment for making this technology public domain in a much higher level than what it really is. Meanwhile we should not be fooled by companies like Bitmain, people, ordinary people like you and me, have not access to this shit. This is not access to the technology at all, their "directly available to public' thing is just a sales discourse and a sophisticated shield they have devised to protect themselves against decentralization incentives among the community. They want to co-exist with their host until foolishly accomplishing their mission: destroying it. Got it? Destroying their host! Capitalism is self-destructive, not my innovative discovery but ... think about it ... making a machine to crack a business to take over that business ... fuck!
18  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: What a far more efficient "smart contract" system might look like... on: May 29, 2016, 04:17:28 PM
IMHO not at all an improvement. It is just a translator layer (namely assembler) and it generates just native instructions of CPUs with already existing hardware implementations. Thus it completely lacks execution layer (presumes native hardware execution) and the associated tools like linker & debugger. Good smart contract platform would also have some sort of static analysis tool capable of verifying certain properties of the code to be executed without actually executing it.

I still think that the future optimized Turing-complete cryptographic platform will have special cryptographic instructions and data types. It would be an extension from ALU (Arithmetic-Logic Unit) and FPU (Floating-Point Unit) to perhaps something like CGU (CryptoGraphic Unit). My bet is on something similar to IBM's AS/400, which although introduced in 1988 already had 128-bit addressing. Just narrowly thinking about Bitcoin such a cryptographic platform would have 256-bit registers and addresses with direct support for secp256k1 arithmetic.

19  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Mining operations in venezuela on: May 23, 2016, 04:22:52 PM
That would make sense IF they interacted with the venezuelan community, but they are strangers to most of us... and i'm mod/admin on some of the venezuelan groups.
This is actually a good sign when the various factions of the underground movement don't know about each other. It is crucial to their resiliency against subversion.
20  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Email from Avalon on: May 14, 2016, 01:18:17 PM
You make money from the sale of chips; with the exception of providing technical information to a very few technically competent people there is no customer service required on your part.
He can't do this because it is too risky for him. It is possible that your design would be better than his. That would mean a "loss of face" or loss of respect (and self-respect) for him. That's why he can't and wont risk doing what you propose.
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