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1  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: MtGox Trader Desktop Application on: July 14, 2011, 10:09:41 AM
Looks interesting - I'm guessing this will be a closed source release though?
2  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Nation States game. on: July 14, 2011, 09:46:56 AM
This game is old as dirt - I first played it when I was in middle school some 9 odd years ago. First learned about any kind of coding/formatting using it, with basic html for my region header.  Grin
3  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What's the Best Trading Exchange for you: Mt Gox, TH, or CampBX? on: July 13, 2011, 08:13:14 AM
You know, for me it's not so much that I dislike one exchange or the other - it's that it's hard to try to play the game at all of the major sites due to the time it takes to move fiat money around between them. If there's a major movement at Gox, I don't have four hours to move stuff back, and it really isn't efficient at all to spread it around given the very low volume on the other exchanges. If someone could devise some scheme (or perhaps clear me of any ignorance I may have in this area), I would use the other exchanges just as I would Gox. As it stands at the moment this just isn't practical.
4  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why do people buy computers, with possible trojans pre-installed? on: July 12, 2011, 10:00:46 PM
I agree, this whole thread reeks of FUD, but I think he's just a little overzealous in his championing of Open Source.
FUT - Fear, uncertainty and truth
FUD - Fear, uncertainty and doubt

there is no doubt in my posts, only truth.
the only doubt there is if microsoft has or has not put malware in windows computers, which i don't know, but i don't think they would.
oh. see now im protectin microsoft! it is based on logic, it would be very very stupid of them to put malware on computers, bad bad PR.

but still, they can do it if they like, there is nothing to stop them.

Exactly my point - so you have nothing to worry about. Anyway, I like linux systems, I just don't use them because it's not practical for me to do so. Perhaps as computing advances open source solutions will become more popular.  Smiley
5  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why do people buy computers, with possible trojans pre-installed? on: July 12, 2011, 07:51:50 PM
His issue is not with the autoupdate, but with the closed source nature of everything it downloads. Antivirus programs have numerous times caught and considered actual system files as virii. With no way of looking into the source for those binaries, there's no way to be sure that the program wasn't right. (note, this is just my tin hat speaking, I hate windows for completely different reasons)

Open source is inherently safer, due to the fact that you can examine the source, and see what it's actually doing.

I agree it is - my qualm is not with open source (as I've said I have released my own small open source software before), but with the way in which he is presenting it. His insinuations are dishonest at best and self-serving at worst.

and people know this, and are scared of it. look at facebook, people are crying and screaming about privacy issues.
but they don't know what microsoft or apple can do with their computers. people are just ignoring/unknowing the fact that they can have access to their computers.

on this forum some people are paranoid that the governements or corporations are gonna rape them in the ass, but they still use windows or mac, not knowing what they can do if they like.

open source are not suspicious, you can read the source, and verify that it is not malicious. you can't do that with closed source.

You've probably read my reply to myrkul - it also applies to this post. It is illegal to install malicious software on a machine or otherwise gain unnecessary access without the owner's consent - this is usually through a EULA or some other terms of use agreement. As a result, you can, under the protection of law (at least in the US) feel reasonably comfortable that any corporation is going to think twice...or three or four times before abusing their trust. Moreover, even without the laws protecting you, the backlash against the company would be enormous and would hurt them financially. It should go without saying that it would be a very poor business decision if the abuse were ever to come to light.
6  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why do people buy computers, with possible trojans pre-installed? on: July 12, 2011, 07:09:40 PM
any closed source autoupdater can by default be malicious. do you disagree?

Any software in general can be malicious - but the fact that something includes an updater does not make it any more malware than it makes me a criminal for running tor. It can be used for good or bad purposes - I have yet to see any evidence from your camp that would even remotely persuade me that Microsoft intends to use this tool for illegal or malicious purposes.

none! but they can do it. please see what words i use. i do not say that they do, only that they can.

Lots of things can happen through all kinds of mediums - Apple could decide to collect and redistribute personal information on iPhone users through an implicit agreement, Sun could, effective immediately, charge royalty for all Java programs produced henceforth, and the operators of Deepbit could decide to capitalize on their pool monopoly by doubling their use fee. Furthermore, the world could end tomorrow.

However...there is no evidence to suggest any of these hypothetical situations will actually occur. To insinuate that they will with no evidence for my stance would be alarmist and irrational.

i did not write any false information, please read my posts again.

You can hide behind the banner of "that's not what I said" all you like - but anybody reading your posts knows you are trying to persuade people through fear to switch systems, based on an unfounded and implicit claim that Microsoft would have some strange reason to completely destroy their own business. You are a propagandist - and a very poor representation of the linux community.
7  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would killing the minimum wage help? on: July 12, 2011, 05:40:48 PM
I understand, I really do. But imagine what would happen if you (or if not you, the one or more of your coworkers) went from $7.50/hr to $0.00/hr?

That's what happens every time the minimum wage goes up.

From what I've seen you post, I have no doubt that you have nothing but the best of intentions in mind and that you (are?) would be a fair employer in this kind of situation. However, I would be more inclined to agree with your point of view if there were some sort of way to prevent the aforementioned problem - if we eliminated minimum wage, what would there be to stop huge corporations like supergreedymegacorp inc. from treating people like dirt and hoarding every last penny for the capitalist class?

That's where collective bargaining comes in. supergreedymegacorp inc only has the massive bargaining power because of its size. with collective bargaining, you take away that size advantage. Without the distortions placed on the market by state regulations, the two groups could come to an amicable arrangement, that benefited both parties.

I can agree with that - although I have a feeling a lot of other people are going to disagree with your stance on the place of unions. Tongue
8  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why do people buy computers, with possible trojans pre-installed? on: July 12, 2011, 05:35:55 PM
Unless you're saying that the operating systems themselves are infected (I think someone would have noticed by this point), I always ended up reinstalling the system on the machines I purchased anyway, due the amount of bloatware many have on them. As a result, even if I were to suspect that, it wouldn't be a factor in the end.

But if you do find some sort of malware on a pre-assembled machine - I'm sure you'll have quite a few lawyers willing to take up the case for nothing, as you'll have quite a check waiting for you by the end of the proceedings!
windows is not infected, it is the possible malware!
microsoft can gain access to any networked windows system, via the preinstalled trojan downloading system called windows update.
and you would have no knowledge of it.

let my simplify the question, why are people using closed source?

So anything that has an autoupdater is by default malicious? What evidence do you have that Microsoft is installing spyware, viruses, or other forms of malware on customer operating systems that you so strongly insinuate?

I use closed source operating systems because it's hardly any different from using other closed source software - or do you not use any of that either? Open source is nice, but I'm not going to expect everybody to follow through with that standard (I have published my own open source software on sourceforge, if that helps to back up my own credentials on discussing this topic). You certainly have the right to despise any operating system you choose - but that isn't a justification for spreading hearsay or other false information.
9  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would killing the minimum wage help? on: July 12, 2011, 05:19:26 PM
I understand, I really do. But imagine what would happen if you (or if not you, the one or more of your coworkers) went from $7.50/hr to $0.00/hr?

That's what happens every time the minimum wage goes up.

From what I've seen you post, I have no doubt that you have nothing but the best of intentions in mind and that you (are?) would be a fair employer in this kind of situation. However, I would be more inclined to agree with your point of view if there were some sort of way to prevent the aforementioned problem - if we eliminated minimum wage, what would there be to stop huge corporations like supergreedymegacorp inc. from treating people like dirt and hoarding every last penny for the capitalist class?

Would you prefer going to $0.00 an hour with no chance of getting another job?

If wages were to sink so far that I would have to work most of every day to pay for the essentials, I would probably look for a new form of money-making activity. If starting my own business were obviously not viable (in this scenario we're discussing a dirt poor economy where this whole wage-cutting situation is necessary), I honestly can't say that relatively profitable criminal activity would be out of the question - and I guarantee you that I wouldn't be the only one with it on my mind. Perhaps that makes me a bad or immoral person - but life isn't worth living if you're miserable going through it every day and have no time for your family or for 'self' things. From my point of view, though, it's just the nature of man.
10  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why do people buy computers, with possible trojans pre-installed? on: July 12, 2011, 07:29:44 AM
Unless you're saying that the operating systems themselves are infected (I think someone would have noticed by this point), I always ended up reinstalling the system on the machines I purchased anyway, due the amount of bloatware many have on them. As a result, even if I were to suspect that, it wouldn't be a factor in the end.

But if you do find some sort of malware on a pre-assembled machine - I'm sure you'll have quite a few lawyers willing to take up the case for nothing, as you'll have quite a check waiting for you by the end of the proceedings!
11  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would killing the minimum wage help? on: July 12, 2011, 07:23:11 AM
I don't have a complex, model backed reply, but I can say that going from $7.50 an hour to something less would really screw me over as far as finances go. Stuff is expensive these days - I don't mean luxuries, but the essentials. Gasoline & car expenses, food, living maintenance, health care (many Americans have NO insurance), and that's not even looking into the fiat currency inflation eating up people's retirement savings. And while I see a lot of the points being made here, and they may indeed work in a perfect world, I also believe that many (employers) would end up taking advantage of it not to hire new employees at a lower price, but to fatten their own bottom lines by slashing wages under the banner "like it or leave it". There has to be some system to look out for the little guy, or you end up with a system like in China where you see people working for a pittance. Just my two cents...
12  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Moral relativism and libertarianism compatible? on: July 12, 2011, 07:17:40 AM
I'm very open minded as to what people want to consider 'moral' - as long as it doesn't hurt me or someone else I'm willing to live and let live. I don't consider myself a moral relativist, though, as common use these days tends to imply one would accept something as backwards as Sharia under the banner of being 'relativist' and 'tolerant'.
13  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Whitelist Requests (Want out of here?) on: July 12, 2011, 06:33:33 AM
I've been reading the forum for a while now, but registered earlier today so that I could reply to a topic I wanted to post in. Now that I have the required time and posts like other users to get out of the newbie section, I request that a moderator please change my account so that I can throw my two cents into a couple of topics I'm dying to post in.  Grin
14  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What would you buy with bitcoins? on: July 12, 2011, 06:31:25 AM
Probably computer parts. Fitting, I think.  Grin
15  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How can I become a non-Newbie? on: July 11, 2011, 03:42:05 PM
I don't see the problem. 5 posts, 4 hours online. Most boards require you to have at least 50 posts - the policy here is lenient (and almost futile, my personal opinion).
16  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newegg's got a few 5830's left @ $130 - Great for Mining! on: July 11, 2011, 03:40:35 PM
Newegg's got a few 5830's left @ $130 - Great for Mining!

 Dont these make about 0.18 BTC (@ 300 mhz) per 24 hours now - at just todays difficulty level? (without factoring electricity)
 Isnt it a false economy buying hardware these days for mining?
 Would be grateful of some ROI calculations Smiley

Each card will pay for half itself(at $0.20/kwh) within 30 days. If the bitcoin market fails within that 30 days, you can get a refund and still keep your $60 profit.

Sounds like fraud to me. Keep your business honest people, retailers have to make a living too.
17  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin Price Predictions on: July 11, 2011, 01:18:28 PM
Short term I can see prices down to around $14...very shallow market at the moment, and the reason I'm not buying in yet. Sold at $15 today.  Grin
18  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: July 11, 2011, 01:16:38 PM
Hi, I'm a speculator. I ate my hat last month in the crash - still hanging on though.  Grin Despite what a lot of people think, though, we do care about bitcoin as a currency itself - I play the game mostly to increase the number of coins I have, given I never had the equipment to even think about mining.
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