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1  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | децентрализованное ПО & Sidechain платформа on: October 05, 2016, 09:50:24 PM
Из всех мегатонн шлака, что тут перелистал, Lisk выглядит в принципе очень даже неплохо. Наверное куплю немного ради интереса, но чуть позже. Понравилась прозрачность, есть все отчеты о проделанной работе, даже можно посмотреть какие изменения в коде сделали разработчики, какие новые ошибки нашли и в какой день все это было сделано. Заявка на серьезность, как будто финансовую отчетность на предприятии проверяешь и оцениваешь. Это реально круто. Cool

Просто в комьюнити засело слишком много людей которых интересует только цена чтобы все побыстрее слить и забыть, крупным китам явно такое не нравится и потенциальным инвесторам тоже. Вот всех и высаживают, кстати правильно делают, что дампят и всех стригут.
Сообщество должно состоять из таких людей как вот этот энтузиаст https://github.com/fix который помогает разработчикам дорабатывать платформу и сам работает над клиентом. Вот когда в сообществе будут преобладать приблизительно такие люди как он, делающие что-то полезное для лиска(в разных направлениях), вот тогда и будет рост.  



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Конечно не скоро. Если посмотреть правде в глаза, то еще даже не смогли запустить функционал предшественика - крипти. Выходит, что на данный момент форк крипти (лиск) не имеет функционала родоначальника сети. Пока все печально.
А что мешает перекопировать код crypti в код Lisk'a и запустить форджинг? Ничего!
Либо разработчики все давным-давно сделали и специально тянут резину, либо код крипти был дырявый и уязвимый, ну а поскольку над кодом похоже работали только Оливер с Максом, то им было гораздо проще уйти от разработчиков крипти(сейчас они зпнимаются wings dao) и создать свой собственный проект, потому что девы крипти бездельники и тунеядцы.   Wink

ну ты вообще сейчас яйца ниже колен опустил Grin то есть wings  Wink




Если посмотреть на статистику, то нет:

https://github.com/borispovod/crypti/graphs/contributors

Все работали вместе, и до сих пор поддерживают связь. Причина разделения была некоторая другая
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XCR] Crypti | Dapps | Sidechains | Dapp Store | OPEN SOURCE | 100% own code | DPoS on: May 30, 2016, 01:47:37 PM
As Lisk holds 80% of Crypti, all the Crypti nodes, and basically continues Crypti in the form of Lisk, these questions should be directed to them. I'm currently 100% focused on my new project Wings.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WINGS - Where DAO Unicorns Are Born on: May 19, 2016, 07:55:37 PM
Silly question......

The DAO acts over ETH    so  WINGS acts over what?  LISK?

Wings will have its own augmentation layer network but will support any popular network which has a running EVM (currently we are targeting Ethereum and Rootstock).



Let me little correct you. Wings are going to support ANY popular network, and we prefer a EVM, but in our plans support Lisk too. We in contact with Max and he knows our plans here.  Smiley
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WINGS - Where DAO Unicorns Are Born on: May 19, 2016, 07:10:49 PM
Two questions guys.

Do you have a github?

What capacity were you helping/developing for Lisk/Crypti/Other projects?

I await your answers. Thanks.

I am interested to add this to http://icocountdown.com

If you want to contact me: alex@icocountdown.com
Skype: icocountdown
Twitter: https://twitter.com/ICOcountdown

I'm co-founder of Crypti and Lisk technical advisor.

I was lead dev of Crypti, my github is here.

Other guys from our team worked on known projects too, include GetGems, Crypti, Omni.
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WINGS - Where DAO Unicorns Are Born on: May 18, 2016, 07:16:53 PM
So, one of the creators of Crypti/LISK is running another ICO after a few weeks? How are you planning to manage your time, is this your main project or LISK?

We are indeed ex-Crypti however we are not part of Lisk team Smiley


Boris Povod Co-Founder "Also acts as a technical advisor for Lisk"

Not sure how that's "not part of Lisk team".

I'm not co-founder of Lisk, i'm not a developer of Lisk.

I'm only technical adviser, and help them when i have time and they need help.

So you are not under any contract and you can not be forced to spend your time / work on LISK?

Just asking to clear some things up, since it was kind of strange to run another ICO for DAO just right after working for a DAPPS ICO start-up.


I serve as an advisor to LISK and not as a developer. To clarify, i am not under any contract with LISK and i do not receive any sort of compensation from LISK.

Thanks for clearing it up, the concept seems interesting btw, specially the: setting up and managing a DAO with no coding knowledge

You are welcome! Smiley
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WINGS - Where DAO Unicorns Are Born on: May 18, 2016, 07:12:20 PM
So, one of the creators of Crypti/LISK is running another ICO after a few weeks? How are you planning to manage your time, is this your main project or LISK?

We are indeed ex-Crypti however we are not part of Lisk team Smiley


Boris Povod Co-Founder "Also acts as a technical advisor for Lisk"

Not sure how that's "not part of Lisk team".

I'm not co-founder of Lisk, i'm not a developer of Lisk.

I'm only technical adviser, and help them when i have time and they need help.

So you are not under any contract and you can not be forced to spend your time / work on LISK?

Just asking to clear some things up, since it was kind of strange to run another ICO for DAO just right after working for a DAPPS ICO start-up.


I serve as an advisor to LISK and not as a developer. To clarify, i am not under any contract with LISK and i do not receive any sort of compensation from LISK.
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WINGS - Where DAO Unicorns Are Born on: May 18, 2016, 07:06:02 PM
So, one of the creators of Crypti/LISK is running another ICO after a few weeks? How are you planning to manage your time, is this your main project or LISK?

We are indeed ex-Crypti however we are not part of Lisk team Smiley


Boris Povod Co-Founder "Also acts as a technical advisor for Lisk"

Not sure how that's "not part of Lisk team".

I'm not co-founder of Lisk, i'm not a developer of Lisk.

I'm only technical adviser, and help them when i have time and they need help.
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WINGS - Where DAO Unicorns Are Born on: May 18, 2016, 07:01:23 PM
So, one of the creators of Crypti/LISK is running another ICO after a few weeks? How are you planning to manage your time, is this your main project or LISK?

We are indeed ex-Crypti however we are not part of Lisk team Smiley
9  Local / Обменники / Re: Купим коды BTC-E. Qiwi, Alfa. Бонус вам! KONVERT.IM on: May 01, 2016, 11:00:30 AM
Менял BTC-e коды, все прошло оперативно. Буду еще менять.
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XCR] Crypti | Dapps | Sidechains | Dapp Store | OPEN SOURCE | 100% own code | DPoS on: April 13, 2016, 05:17:08 AM
As i've already mentioned i'm only advisor at Lisk. I don't work for Lisk, just advice them sometimes when i have time and questions from them.

I'm working on my own project right now, i'm going to make announce soon.

Regarding new blockchain for Crypti, i'm not sure it's fair.
11  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | децентрализованное ПО & Sidechain платформа on: March 25, 2016, 08:46:34 PM
По поводу делегатов: если объединиться в группу, где каждый проголосует друг за друга, это поможет стать делегатом?
Допустим есть 10 человек, у каждого 0.1% от всех монет, если они голосуют друг за друга, то все получат 1% голосов?

нет,так же у 10 человек будет по 0.1% голосов.

Например у меня 10000 монет я проголосовал за тебя это равно 10000 голосов* для тебя,и если я голосую ещё за одного человека то уже вы получаете по 5000 голосов от моих 10000 монет и т.д если за третьего то по 3333

на английском Delegates & Forging https://lisk.io/documentation?i=lisk-handbooks/DelegateHandbook

Ещё один немаловажный момент,это например после голосования за тебя,я решил продать монеты или просто перевёл на другой счёт,то все голоса типа сгорают

Если я попадаю в топ делегаты то ровно 10% от ковки буду переводить на краны или на что-то полезное.(голосуйте) Wink


*Один голос равен 0.00000001 ЛИСКа

голоса не делятся, и голосует баланс целиком, иными словами имев 1000 монет на адресе, и проголосовав 4 раза(33+33+33+2), можно раздать101 делегату по 1000 монет в эквиваленте голосов

можете голосовать за меня, ник у делегата будет такой же

также сделал обновленную подпись лиска

раньше была ссылка другая про голосование за делегатов,на примере Crypti вроде,было как я писал(если найду выложу)
как должно быть.имея 1000 монет и проголосовав за 101 делегата в 4 захода(33+33+33+2),ценность голоса будет равна около 10

если по твоему то может получится что кит имея 1,000,000 монет арендовал 101 сервер и проголосовал за 101,все делегаты его что-ли? и какая тут децентрализация

собственно что пишут,с английского

3. Каковы делегат голосует и где я могу проголосовать за делегатов?

Для того, чтобы определить делегат звание должность, Лиск имеет децентрализованный механизм голосования построен прямо на клиенте. Пользователи могут голосовать за любые делегатов, зарегистрированных в сети. Один голос равен 0.00000001 ЛИСКУ, и пользователь может проголосовать только со всей своей ЛИСК баланс. Один голос обходится пользователю 1 ЛИСК и он может проголосовать за 33 делегатов на одном дыхании. Он может проголосовать за 101 делегатов в общей сложности, за это он должен инициировать 4 голосов (33+33+33+2 = 101). Невозможно голосовать за тот же делегат дважды.

Число голосов, представлены в качестве “одобрения” в клиент, и отображается в процентах. Утверждение 1% равен 1% всех ЛИСКУ в сети. На момент запуска это будет 1000000 ЛИСК (спустя более, из-за инфляции) или 100,000,000,000,000 голосов.


На примере Crypti, как раз таки можно голосовать всем своим балансом за всех выбранных делегатов, и если я правильно прочитал, ничего не изменилось в Lisk. А децентрализация тут в том, что все владельцы монет должны участвовать в голосовании, в таком случае вероятность атаки снижается.

Пример который указан с "33+33+33+2" лишь указывает, что пользователь может проголосовать в одной транзакции голосования максимум за 33 делегата.
12  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | децентрализованное ПО & Sidechain платформа on: March 25, 2016, 12:51:16 PM
Что за делегаты?
Это DPOS система. Там нет майнинга. Есть 101 делегат, которые проводят все транзакции через себя и за это получают денюжку)
А как же децентрализация
101 делегат и выполняет функцию децентрализации)
А делегатов выбирают люди, и там вроде 101 это не макс

101 делегат выбирается путем голосования участников своими монетами, всего выбирается 101 делегат из всех, общее количество ничем не ограничено, но лишь 101 делегат генерирует блоки

кто будет тратить свои монеты на делегатов?

Никто не тратит монеты на делегатов Smiley

Во время голосования пользователь просто подтверждает свой голос количеством монет. Например у меня 1000 момент, когда я проголосовал за кого-либо, к его голосам добавляется число эквивалентное моим монетам. Он получает лишь голоса, а не сами монеты.

После чего каждый раунд происходит сортировка по количеству голосов и выбирается 101 делегат в топ. Один раунд это 101 блок.
13  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | децентрализованное ПО & Sidechain платформа on: March 25, 2016, 12:44:05 PM
Что за делегаты?
Это DPOS система. Там нет майнинга. Есть 101 делегат, которые проводят все транзакции через себя и за это получают денюжку)
А как же децентрализация
101 делегат и выполняет функцию децентрализации)
А делегатов выбирают люди, и там вроде 101 это не макс

101 делегат выбирается путем голосования участников своими монетами, всего выбирается 101 делегат из всех, общее количество ничем не ограничено, но лишь 101 делегат генерирует блоки
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XCR] Crypti | Dapps | Sidechains | Dapp Store | OPEN SOURCE | 100% own code | DPoS on: March 24, 2016, 12:18:40 PM
Response to Bter.com

https://blog.crypti.me/response-to-bter-claims/
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 24, 2016, 12:13:41 PM
Response to Bter.com

https://blog.crypti.me/response-to-bter-claims/
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 16, 2016, 07:05:33 AM
Let's start from the beginning.

Before Lisk there was/is Crypti. Crypti stayed at a marketcap of 500k and even lower for years, because nobody gave a shit about it. All of a sudden two guys from Crypti announced that they will stop developing for it and, unhappy with the way it was advancing, forked out Crypti and renamed their project to Lisk.

For a few days both parties were unhappy about it and the main developer Boris (who's still not responding much) swore that he would stay and continue the development for Crypti, telling us that Lisk has nothing to do with it.

Anyways, just like i suspected a few weeks ago, the scammer Boris and his crew kept this confusion going for a long time (avoiding answers), while they were buying Lisk like crazy, even though they were dismissing it at the beginning. The temptation of gaining fast bitcoins through a second ICO (lol) was too big for our friend Boris and, after he lost all his morals, he made the announcement that he will stop developing for Crypti and switch to Lisk.

What you see now in Lisk is in fact the same TEAM from Crypti ROFL, just that somehow they've managed to fool enough idiots so that the project could rise 6x in a few weeks, taking Crypti from 500k to now 3M for Lisk.

These guys never added anything on top of the fork. It is exactly the same project. Only promises and that's about it. Who knows what other shady things these guys did. They've probably even faked the ICO numbers on their website just to create more hype.

Good luck

I'm only an advisor at Lisk and do not work there, but I wish the team good luck.

I'm focusing on my own blockchain 2.0 project, which we will announce soon Smiley
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 08, 2016, 11:44:50 AM
btw .. The only thing I know about this project is that it is Ethereum with a twist (javascript instead of solidity).
I hope the devs do understand that that would not really be enough .... ..
Ethereum can easily add a javascript compiler into the bytecode

From a previous post a few pages back

LISK HOLDS THE FOLLOWING ADVANTAGES OVER ETHERIUM:

Javascript language simplicity vs Solidity language complexity
Like I said ... easy to write a Javascript compiler to Ethereum bytecode  

100,000+ JavaScript programmers vs. few Solidity programmers
The above argument eliminates this so called advantage of lisk

Single hash generated  vs. trillions of valid but discarded hashes generated to secure blockchain in one blocktime
Makes no sense at all

Cooperative, efficient blockchain generation vs. competitive, wasteful blockchain generation
looks like the same as above

Stable roundtable clockwork forging vs. unsustainable, exponentially growing free-for-all mining
Forging is no different than mining ... just different ways to make the currency

Dapps on individual sidechains vs. dapps on bloated mainchain
Ethereum dapps are also sidechains .. lol .. you seem to be uninformed

Min of 2-4 to max of 101 cheap $35 Pi2 / $9 CHIP microcomputers needed for each sidechain backbone vs. large, unlimited numbers of expensive GPU systems needed for mainchain backbone
The GPU rings will not be used once POS for eth sets in

Sidechain dapps permanently free vs. mainchain perpetual "gas" payments required
Ah ... What can possibly be the use of the beloved LISK then ...


It's why I asked the guys what direction they going to take the current Crypti VM in order to be able to compete. Solidity pretty much eliminated the only advantage Crypti had over Eth.

As mentioned, Crypti needs other advantages over Eth to be interesting for developers.

I noticed your username is "Crypti"... Are you the guy who started Crypti ?

Yep, it's me.

To prevent misunderstandings, i meant that there is still need more work on VM, and if do all right, it can be sucessful.
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 08, 2016, 07:54:43 AM
btw .. The only thing I know about this project is that it is Ethereum with a twist (javascript instead of solidity).
I hope the devs do understand that that would not really be enough .... ..
Ethereum can easily add a javascript compiler into the bytecode

From a previous post a few pages back

LISK HOLDS THE FOLLOWING ADVANTAGES OVER ETHERIUM:

Javascript language simplicity vs Solidity language complexity
Like I said ... easy to write a Javascript compiler to Ethereum bytecode  

100,000+ JavaScript programmers vs. few Solidity programmers
The above argument eliminates this so called advantage of lisk

Single hash generated  vs. trillions of valid but discarded hashes generated to secure blockchain in one blocktime
Makes no sense at all

Cooperative, efficient blockchain generation vs. competitive, wasteful blockchain generation
looks like the same as above

Stable roundtable clockwork forging vs. unsustainable, exponentially growing free-for-all mining
Forging is no different than mining ... just different ways to make the currency

Dapps on individual sidechains vs. dapps on bloated mainchain
Ethereum dapps are also sidechains .. lol .. you seem to be uninformed

Min of 2-4 to max of 101 cheap $35 Pi2 / $9 CHIP microcomputers needed for each sidechain backbone vs. large, unlimited numbers of expensive GPU systems needed for mainchain backbone
The GPU rings will not be used once POS for eth sets in

Sidechain dapps permanently free vs. mainchain perpetual "gas" payments required
Ah ... What can possibly be the use of the beloved LISK then ...


It's why I asked the guys what direction they going to take the current Crypti VM in order to be able to compete. Solidity pretty much eliminated the only advantage Crypti had over Eth.

As mentioned, Crypti needs other advantages over Eth to be interesting for developers.
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XCR] Crypti | Dapps | Sidechains | Dapp Store | OPEN SOURCE | 100% own code | DPoS on: February 06, 2016, 09:39:51 AM
Just a heads up, the Crypti Dapp docs on GitHub are outdated, or simply aren't correct. I tried to set up an environment on Linux (Ubuntu 15.04) following this tutorial to the tee : https://github.com/crypti/crypti-dapps-docs/blob/master/EnvironmentSetup.md, but was unable to. The Testnet Client simply doesn't install properly, with the current instructions.

Currently there are 0 DApps submitted by the community,  0. I'm trying to fiddle around with creating one, but nobody seems to care about this. Max and Olivier were the only people that used to respond to these questions, and it seems like once they've left nobody else wants to answer them.

Thanks, we had problem with our obfuscation (now source code is opened and this is not required now) in the start of this year, because build in this documentation was broken.

I fixed docs, i still need to upload macos VM (linux VM already uploaded), but i will do it very soon.

If you are interesting, there is a lot of examples of dapps in our github - https://github.com/ . You can look.

There is token dapp and part of bitcoin integration in DApp Toolkit.

Hey Boris

I've given it another go, and I managed to get the environment setup and the Testnet client running, but the problem, this time, is that if I try to access: http://localhost:7040, it just times out, despite the client running perfectly.

Are you keep 'node app.js' command working? And are you sure you launch it on local machine?
If yes, send me logs, i will look, but i already tried it yesterday and it worked.

Yeah, the node app.js command was run, I've sent you a PM with the logs.

Looks like you missed this step - https://github.com/crypti/crypti-dapps-docs/blob/master/EnvironmentSetup.md#install-vm
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XCR] Crypti | Dapps | Sidechains | Dapp Store | OPEN SOURCE | 100% own code | DPoS on: February 04, 2016, 04:12:05 AM
Just a heads up, the Crypti Dapp docs on GitHub are outdated, or simply aren't correct. I tried to set up an environment on Linux (Ubuntu 15.04) following this tutorial to the tee : https://github.com/crypti/crypti-dapps-docs/blob/master/EnvironmentSetup.md, but was unable to. The Testnet Client simply doesn't install properly, with the current instructions.

Currently there are 0 DApps submitted by the community,  0. I'm trying to fiddle around with creating one, but nobody seems to care about this. Max and Olivier were the only people that used to respond to these questions, and it seems like once they've left nobody else wants to answer them.

Thanks, we had problem with our obfuscation (now source code is opened and this is not required now) in the start of this year, because build in this documentation was broken.

I fixed docs, i still need to upload macos VM (linux VM already uploaded), but i will do it very soon.

If you are interesting, there is a lot of examples of dapps in our github - https://github.com/ . You can look.

There is token dapp and part of bitcoin integration in DApp Toolkit.

Hey Boris

I've given it another go, and I managed to get the environment setup and the Testnet client running, but the problem, this time, is that if I try to access: http://localhost:7040, it just times out, despite the client running perfectly.

Are you keep 'node app.js' command working? And are you sure you launch it on local machine?
If yes, send me logs, i will look, but i already tried it yesterday and it worked.
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