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281  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: thepiratebay.org banned bitcoinmarkets account due to "bitcoin is ponzi scheme" on: October 04, 2011, 12:58:51 AM
I think he was referring to Bitcoin Markets, or w/e torrents you had up, being the pyramid scheme and not Bitcoins.

As you said, they have left other Bitcoin related material alone.

Bitcoin Markets is an open source project similar to the closed source/proprietary http://bitcoincharts.com/ project that collects market data from all bitcoin exchanges and prepares the data for view on the web (website still in development), but also #bitcoin-markets (not to be confused with #bitcoin-market (with no s)) shows almost real-time trade data.  I don't see how that project is in any way a ponzi scheme, similarly as to bitcoin charts not being a ponzi scheme.
282  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: thepiratebay.org banned bitcoinmarkets account due to "bitcoin is ponzi scheme" on: October 04, 2011, 12:30:20 AM
An article by Rick Falkvinge: http://falkvinge.net/2011/09/29/anonymous-from-b-in-joke-to-sociopolitical-philosophy/

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For a while, Id been noticing a trend in the way people who call themselves Anonymous seemed to think and act. Several days ago, this post on Pastebin summed it up quite nicely for me:

Anonymous is not a group. Many of us form groups, but Anonymous is not about groups.
Anonymous is not a hacker collective. Many of us hack, but Anonymous is not about hacking.
Anonymous does not live on the Internet. Many of us meet and communicate online, but Anonymous is not just about the Internet.

Anonymous is a movement. An idea. A meme. Over years and years, it has grown and matured: beginning like an immature child, pulling pranks and causing chaos with no rhyme or reason; then becoming a formidable activist movement, devoted to the freedom of information and anti-censorship.

...

"... devoted to the freedom of information and anti-censorship."
283  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: thepiratebay.org banned bitcoinmarkets account due to "bitcoin is ponzi scheme" on: October 04, 2011, 12:14:06 AM
Also, Rick Falkvinge will be speaking at the European Bitcoin Conference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40272.0
284  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: EUROPEAN BITCOIN CONFERENCE 2011, PRAGUE NOV 25-27 on: October 04, 2011, 12:11:40 AM
This is offtopic, but I wanted to reference it here because Rick Falkvinge (affiliated with The Pirate Bay in some fashion) will be attending, and I recently experienced a bit of obnoxious bannage from The Pirate Bay crew both at http://thepiratebay.org/ and in their irc channel in relation to uploading bitcoin-related content to http://thepiratebay.org.  However, noticeably there still exists other bitcoin-related content at http://thepiratebay.org/ with the 'bitcoin' tag and therefore I am not entirely confident of their reasoning of banning my account because bitcoin is "ponzi scheme" (also disregarding that bitcoin isn't a ponzi scheme) to be accurate since the other bitcoin-related torrents have not been removed or affiliated accounts banned.

I do not intend to hijack this thread, so instead direct all responses to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46751
285  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: thepiratebay.org banned bitcoinmarkets account due to "bitcoin is ponzi scheme" on: October 04, 2011, 12:05:22 AM
OP is trolling.

sorry for the one liner but it had to be said.

You can easily verify that I am not trolling by joining #thepiratebay.org on EFNet, type /bans and see the ip address listed above as being banned.  Also, you can verify that that IP address is location in Milwaukee, WI, where I live in united states.  If you need verification that I live in Milwaukee, WI, see http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5398 or come on IRC and verify my IRC presence with this forum account and check my IP address.
286  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / thepiratebay.org banned bitcoinmarkets account due to "bitcoin is ponzi scheme" on: October 03, 2011, 11:52:15 PM
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* Now talking on #thepiratebay.org
* Topic for #thepiratebay.org is: The Pirate Bay is up but network problems are preventing many people from reaching it.
* Topic for #thepiratebay.org set by Adapa!adapa@B0FH.net at Sun Oct  2 23:11:32 2011
<mizerydea> My thepiratebay.org account was deleted and only a single torrent was affiliated with it, added yesterday or the day before.
<mizerydea> The torrent was in relation to bitcoin and not illegal in any way.
<Agricola> what is user name ?
<mizerydea> bitcoinm
<J0lle> [WTC-SWE] =)
<[WTC-SWE]> bitcoinmarkets !!!
<mizerydea> yep
<Agricola> yeah banned
<mizerydea> why?
<K`Tetch> ponzi scheme
<mizerydea> uhh, what?
<[WTC-SWE]> So you honestly thought i left you unabnned with you damn pyramid games
* [WTC-SWE] sets ban on *!*@cpe-65-30-35-48.wi.res.rr.com
* You have been kicked from #thepiratebay.org by Jallers (Banned)
 No channel joined. Try /join #<channel>

Related: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45969.msg554559#msg554559

Gah, it really fucking sucks when people in charge of or responsible for organizations, corporations, etc are incompetent. =/
I'm quite fuckingly disappointed in The Pirate Bay for this.  

The only tag I applied to the torrent was 'bitcoin.'

I see at http://thepiratebay.org/tag/bitcoin that there are still other torrents with the 'bitcoin' tag and therefore reference of bitcoin being ponzi scheme to justify banning of my account seems to be not quite accurate.
287  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: EUROPEAN BITCOIN CONFERENCE 2011, PRAGUE NOV 25-27 on: October 03, 2011, 11:24:24 PM
Just some nice pictures of confirmed speakers are not enough...

Good point.  Comparably at http://acen.org/ (anime convention) the main page shows a link to Panel Request Form (must be logged in) and Panel Request Policy.

Also, at the registration page, for the "I am a" field, I suggest changing "Miner" to "Miner/Validator."  I'm sure Amir Taaki would agree (or instead prefer "Validator" only). ^_^
288  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [BOUNTY] 1000 BTC for getting a major business to accept Bitcoin on: October 03, 2011, 11:02:35 PM
From Linode's Lee Matos:

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I do not know of our plans to accept bitcoins as payment. I think that it is safe to say that we will not be accepting bitcoins until they widely used across the public sector. I hope this helps!

I presume this type of hesitation to accept bitcoins until bitcoins are 'widely used across the public sector' is prevalent excuse across many businesses, and without any of them taking initiation and instead preserving hesitation, then there will never be an established 'wide use across the public sector.'
289  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: EUROPEAN BITCOIN CONFERENCE 2011, PRAGUE NOV 25-27 on: October 03, 2011, 09:56:38 PM
Update the website with pictures of the confirmed speakers?

I updated http://bitcoin.witcoin.com/p/1951/The-European-Bitcoin-Conference

moved this line to end of thread to spread more awareness.
290  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin on: October 03, 2011, 09:35:52 PM
This is the risk you assumed, and which you were paid for assuming, when you opened an exchange.

We're not dealing with create-out-of-thin-air-fiat-currency-to-cover-losses-in-guise-of-insurance exchanges/banks.

In the case of mtgox losing money (several hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of bitcoins, maybe a million or more, as of yet still kept secret/private by mtgox), mtgox was able to continue because of their transaction fees that generate us$20,000-us$100,000 profit in bitcoins per month and using those profits to cover their losses (which technically if everyone withdrew their money from mtgox, it would be clearly obvious mtgox had insufficient funds, but this didn't happen and mtgox has had (and still has) opportunity to account for losses in this way.

bitomat was unable to endure similar experiences since the exchange had free transactions.

bitparking seemingly has similar opportunity as mtgox has had (and continues to have) in which continued profit from transaction fees could be used to compensate users for their losses, however, in this particular case, the technological p2p cryptocurrency implementations are still vulnerable to provide a safe, reliable exchange market, whereas in case of mtgox, bitcoin did not noticeably suffer from such vulnerabilities as of yet.  Therefore, this added issue resulting in bitparking to continue offering services in the exact same exchange markets may prevent its opportunity to compensate users for their losses by using funding generated from continued transaction fees and instead would rely on using funding from other sources.

Right now all it would take to effectively kill Bitcoin would be for the US Government or any rouge agency to simply invest a few million in hardware and kiss Bitcoin goodbye. It really is that simple.  Bitcoin's huge hash rate is its security.

And then when that happens, all bitcoin exchanges will probably endure similar experiences, but more devastatingly in relation to fiat currency investments.
291  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: attn:bitcoin exchanges - request for json api trades by timestamp/tradeid on: October 03, 2011, 08:22:00 PM
Originally only suggested or mentioned by Keyur of campbx, but now also agreed upon by Virtex, providing a json api implementation offering results by last trade id or last trade timestamp opens up a kind of cost or risk.

Here's discussion with cavirtex.com:

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me: Is it possible to query trade history by last trade id or last trade date?  See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44674.0

cavirtex: No, not currently. It would be possible, but as keyur suggested on the
forum, there is a cost/risk associated with making that available.
Also at this stage, standing up a mirror and implementing exceptions
for the cached data wouldn't likely be worth the cost savings in
bandwidth, unless you had some other argument for creating such an
API?

Currently, we do cache our data and allowing someone to choose the
range would make caching more difficult. Right now, the current
solution of fixed history seems to be within bandwidth limits and is
easily cached (making it easy to process). Compressing it would be an
easier step in your direction. That data would likely compress very
well and if cached, would only need to be done once in a while.

To comment on the post a bit. A proof by anecdote (ie. mtgox and
intersango do it) does not make a solid arguement for it's
implemenation because of counter arguments such as "perhaps they are
not being abused yet?" and the fact that they operate in different
enviroments (as keyur suggested).

Perhaps this issue/concern can be discussed a bit to establish a consensually agreed upon idea on how to best implement a secure, stable method of allowing querying by last trade id or last trade timestamp; one that is not susceptible to abuse?
292  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Developers on: October 03, 2011, 01:35:47 AM
Is the idea of listing other bitcoin developers on the bitcoin.org home page undesirable or unacceptable?
293  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Feedback desired - Bitcoin Markets (agpl) on: October 02, 2011, 07:25:46 PM
Here is the October 2011 sql database dump compatible with Bitcoin Markets project:

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6716850 The Pirate Bay claimed the sql db dump was a ponzi scheme and banned the account (now resolved, but torrent not reuploaded)
http://bitcoinmarkets.com/bitcoinmarkets-2011-10.sql.bz2.torrent

It contains data for bitcoin exchanges, markets and trade history.  It's approximately 2gb uncompressed.
294  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin on: October 02, 2011, 01:57:29 PM
Additionally with a working implementation to provide double spending abilities, it (the software) shall improve over time and be easily compatible with all p2p blockchains, including potentially even bitcoin blockchain if one or more individuals behind the implementation are able to accumulate enough processing power.
295  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: libbitcoin on: October 02, 2011, 12:20:38 PM
The Zen sounds pretty much like Python's.

Code:
The Zen of Python                                                      The Zen of libbitcoin

Beautiful is better than ugly.                                         Readability over speed.
Explicit is better than implicit.                                      Beauty over convenience.
Simple is better than complex.                                         Simplicity over complexity.
Complex is better than complicated.                                    Architected, not hacked.
Flat is better than nested.                                            Flat, not nested.
Sparse is better than dense.                                           Explicit, not implicit.
Readability counts.                                                    Errors should be loud.
Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.                Never is better than right now.
Although practicality beats purity.                                    Now is better than never.
Errors should never pass silently.                                     Be flexible and configurable.
Unless explicitly silenced.                                            Build houses from bricks, software from modules.
In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.              Stability is god.
There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
Now is better than never.
Although never is often better than *right* now.
If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!


Yeah, that's why I said "pretty much".

I'm just providing immediate access to both to compare them more easily...
296  Other / Off-topic / Re: Will need guidance in New York from JFK airport to EWR airport Fri, Sep 30 on: September 29, 2011, 09:21:48 PM
Can someone confirm if this seems reasonable?

http://privatepaste.com/63f147108f

I will have really heavy and bulky wheelless luggage which may make it a bit difficult for me =/
297  Other / Off-topic / Will need guidance in New York from JFK airport to EWR airport Fri, Sep 30 on: September 29, 2011, 08:16:04 PM
Is there anyone that lives in New York near JFK or is available to visit JFK airport tomorrow morning to help guide me to Newark airport asap after I arrive at JFK?

I arrive Friday at 4pm at terminal 4 in JFK airport and must arrive at EWR airport, terminal A in time for a flight that leaves at 8pm.

I will have luggage to pick up and transport between airports also.
298  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Feedback desired - Bitcoin Markets (agpl) on: September 28, 2011, 03:39:14 PM
Also who is tactm?

tcatm is listed on front page of bitcoin.org: Nils Schneider - nils.schneider@gmail.com (PGP) and is responsible for bitcoincharts.com and bitcoinwatch.com
299  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Feedback desired - Bitcoin Markets (agpl) on: September 28, 2011, 01:55:34 PM
people are mad at me because of the content of this post...  secrecy... what's that?
300  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Feedback desired - Bitcoin Markets (agpl) on: September 28, 2011, 01:42:02 PM
humm, when asking if it is okay to list #bitcoin-markets on front page of http://bitcoin.org/ like #bitcoin-market channel is, there was a bit of competitive effort by tcatm ("or I could just speed up my API") pushing for a denial of such request. =/

I suppose the proprietary closed source bitcoincharts.com data feed for #bitcoin-market channel is the defacto/primary/official source for real-time trade data for the open source bitcoin community as much as http://bitcoin.org/ is the defacto/primary/official home page for the open source bitcoin community.

tcatm did suggest idea of 'a "community" page on bitcoin.org listing all information related to the community and a more complete list of IRC channels might be one category of that page.'

Something similar to https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/IRC_channels perhaps.

I, for one, look forward to a more open community effort into spreading awareness of bitcoin-related developments instead of closed elitist control over what informations are publicated through officialized mediums such as bitcoin.org website.
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