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641  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoind Pooled Mining Association on: January 29, 2011, 08:06:00 PM
Sure, you are playing it cautious. But I see a risk of analysis paralysis setting in: trying to tie up all the loose ends while the difficulty rises and the window of opportunity starts to close...

Anyway I think a collaborative venture is a great thing to do. But it's going to have to be nimble to be successful.

Actually, while you may consider that the 'window' is starting to close, that is only based on the current value of Bitcoin in relation to the expenses to establish hardware dedicated to mining Bitcoin.

If you consider that regardless of the expenses for mining Bitcoins, that there will still be Bitcoin miners since there are ~140 years remaining to establish all the Bitcoins.

I think a better comparison is for individuals to depict the costs of mining using their own hardware and electricity compared to costs for investing in Bitcoind Pooled Mining Association.  In this case, for users that want to contribute towards mining Bitcoins, they would still have an opportunity to do using either of the two methods suggested above depending on which is lesser expensive for them.

I believe it is still useful to establish a mining association that offers best performance at best value regardless of how difficult it is to generate a block or the cost to operate*.

* Unless the cost to operate is comparably more expensive than users establishing their own individual hardware setups to mine.
642  Other / Off-topic / Re: 'Spanking Your Liver-Spotted Ass' - Tiger Mother Parenting Part 2 on: January 29, 2011, 02:11:44 PM
So the difference I see in your two scenarios is that in the first you are telling someone that they can't do something to your property, and in the second you are telling someone that they cannot satisfy their own need even independently of you.

Mm, I do agree that food is an established want|need to satisfy the preserved health and continued existence of the individual asking for food.
However, this may be comparable to the established want|need to satisfy the preserved and continued effort of the individual asking for burglarization.

Food and burglarization are different things and in our minds and understandings we recognize these things as different and therefore apply different expectations or responses.

In the case with the request for food, the food potentially fed to the daughter may be the property of the Father's.
In the case with the request for burglarization, the home potentially burglarized may be the property of the Father's.

btw, I do not mean to blatantly troll, as I do not necessarily agree myself with the direction of my posts, but I am curious about the ideas.
643  Other / Off-topic / Re: 'Spanking Your Liver-Spotted Ass' - Tiger Mother Parenting Part 2 on: January 29, 2011, 02:05:41 PM
Hmm, that's a good question FreeMoney.  I don't mean to agree or disagree by the following response, but I thought of the following when reading and thought I'd share.

Let's say you are a Father or Mother and have a newborn child.  If you are uncertain what level of obligation is required if any at all, then it may be possible for an individual to establish birth of a newborn human species existence and due to lack of sense of obligation or desire for relation with the creature (*grin*), you simply allow it to establish itself in its new environment, providing it freedom to 'be the best it can be' without any positive, negative or neutral influence from yourselves, perhaps acceptably considered creators.  In this instance, I can understand that many human species existences will indicate that this is wrong, unacceptable or whatever, but for various species, this concept exists or occurs.  Why should humans be subject to not allowing for such opportunities?  Anyhow, humans have established sense of societally accepted obligations differing slightly or greatly throughout various [cult]ures (similarly to the differences spanning across various species).

Nice wording: Instead of examining these long-winded platonic derivatives, look at what happens in practice.
644  Other / Off-topic / Re: 'Spanking Your Liver-Spotted Ass' - Tiger Mother Parenting Part 2 on: January 29, 2011, 12:30:29 PM
Instead you want to quietly and firmly assert yourself.

It is my understanding that assertion != use of force.

I wonder how 'broken record' is considered: Is it assertion even if one were to repeat themselves hundreds of times?

e.g. consider these two scenarios:

scenario one, repeat infinitely:
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burglar: May I burglarize your home?
homeowner: (assertively)no.

scenario two, repeat infinitely:
Quote
daughter: Daddy, may I eat now?  I'm hungry.
father: (assertively)no.
645  Other / Off-topic / Re: You reap what you sow on: January 29, 2011, 12:27:56 PM
I received response from Stefan Molyneux:
Quote from: Stefan Molyneux
Thanks for the prompt, I will check it out some more…
646  Other / Off-topic / Re: You reap what you sow on: January 28, 2011, 02:36:09 PM
One email should be enough.  Why should we make so much efforts in order to give money to someone ?

See http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=804.0 where there was quite a bit of effort
647  Other / Off-topic / Re: You reap what you sow on: January 28, 2011, 01:38:39 PM
I emailed him link and summary of few comments from this thread to Stefan for him to consider.  However, since he is not bitcoin-inclined, I think it may be useful for someone bitcoin-inclined to assist him with using bitcoins since he may be too busy to establish acceptance of bitcoin on his own efforts.  However, it may be necessary for someone that is friend or family of his to introduce it to him before he shows such acceptance or willingness.
648  Economy / Marketplace / Re: witcoin on: January 28, 2011, 01:28:36 PM
This is the basic functionality for the site:

There are categories.  Categories are associated with a single user (for now).  At this time I have not prepared implementation allowing users to establish their own categories and I have not worked out 'ownership' or 'rentorship' in relation to categories.  This is something I must further think about.  For now, categories are owned by a single user entity.  At the time of this posting there are three categories witticisms (http://witticisms.witcoin.com/), faq (http://faq.witcoin.com/) and bitcoind (http://bitcoind.witcoin.com/).  There will be more later.  I will explain this further in another post or elsewhere.

There are posts.  Posts are contained within a single category.

There are replies.  Replies are contained within a single post.

There are upvotes.  Upvotes are applied to either a single post or a single reply and therefore contained within the post or reply.

As a user posts content into a category, the cost of the post will be distributed equally to the site and to the category owner.  e.g. if posting costs 0.01 witcoins, which it does at the time of this forum posting, then the site will receive 0.005 witcoins and the category owner (this word is used loosely and may be changed in the future as consideration of 'rentorship' of categories is further considered) of the category will receive 0.005 witcoins.

As a user replies to a post, the cost of the post will be distributed equally to the site and to the category owner.  e.g. if replying costs 0.01 witcoins, which it does at the time of this forum posting, then the site will receive 0.005 witcoins and the category owner (this word is used loosely and may be changed in the future as consideration of 'rentorship' of categories is further considered) of the category will receive 0.005 witcoins.  Note that although the reply is contained within a post that the poster is not included in the profiting from the creation of the reply.  This will be explained or understood more thoroughly later, but in the example case of a poster asking a question and a replier answering, it is strange to distribute a portion of the funds from the cost of posting the answer to the user posting the question.

So, recap:
posting cost is distributed equally to site and to category owner
replying cost is distributed equally to site and to category owner

Next is upvoting: Both posts and replies can be upvoted.  The cost of upvoting is distributed as well.
Upon the first upvote, the cost of upvoting is distributed equally: 33.333% to site, 33.333% to category owner, 33.333% to poster|replier
Upon the second upvote, the cost of upvoting is distributed equally: 25% to site, 25% to category owner, 25% to poster|replier, 25% to first upvoter
Upon the third upvote, the cost of upvoting is distributed equally: 20% to site, 20% to category owner, 20% to poster|replier, 20% to first upvoter, 20% to second upvoter
etc.

You may observe rather noticeably that there is no downvoting.  I haven't fully established understanding as to whether or not downvoting is necessary since if downvoting exists, there will be a cost associated with it similarly to cost of upvoting.  I haven't developed an understanding on how to distribute the cost of downvoting.  I think that if downvoting has a cost that it may discourage downvoting.
649  Economy / Marketplace / Re: witcoin on: January 28, 2011, 01:03:59 PM
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<a> so if bitcoin goes to parity, I gotta pay $1 USD to post a witticism, .. and a $1 to reply?
<a> and then if bitcoin goes to $5,  I gotta pay $5 USD to post a witticism, and a $5 to reply?
<b> I assume rates can be adjusted to the current economic situation
<b> atm its 0.01 witcoin/bitcoin to post, upvote, comment
<a> Oh .., I saw the "1 witcoin = 1 bitcoin" and thought it was 1.0 per post.  ok, ...,maybe some message that says "Post for only 0.01 BTC!"
<a> so those new to the site realize that.
<b> yeah

One bitcoin will always equal one witcoin.  The costs in witcoins will fluctuate.  This allows for previously experienced users who have a witcoin balance to preserve their witcoins without noticing or recognizing a loss of value (because one bitcoin will always equal one witcoin).  Also it should prevent the idea of feeling panicked, discomforted or otherwise alarmed that the value in relation to bitcoins of their existing witcoin balance has changed (because one bitcoin will always equal one witcoin).

Since the value of witcoin will always be at parity with bitcoin, then only the costs of each action will change in relation to supply and demand similarly to the cost of everything made available for bitcoins changes value in relation to supply and demand.

o/ I encourage users to assist with this (and other) questions and answers at http://faq.witcoin.com/ so that better written answers and questions can be prepared by whomever and each author of the question and answer can profit or lose accordingly based on the submitted content (e.g. question or answer).

Similarly to my explaining here, you're welcome to ask here or in the IRC channel #witcoin on FreeNode, but it may be useful to prepare the information on the site as well.  Instead of preparing the fa questions on the site myself, I look forward to users frequently asking the questions themselves and maybe also answering as well, but I too will provide answers to questions that are relative to the site that other uses may not be able to answer such as if my answers here or elsewhere are not enough information for them.

My reason for allowing other users to answer instead of myself is because I recognize that I am not as skilled or talented at communicating/explaining things as others, and instead of asking others to assist me with explaining better than I can or did, and then submitting the answer as my own, I allow for individuals to answer for themselves and establish their own profitability or lossability instead of my profitability or lossability.
650  Other / Off-topic / Re: You reap what you sow on: January 28, 2011, 02:20:40 AM
Stefen Molyneux expressed a lack of interest in accepting Bitcoin donations in favor of PayPal donations.  If you consider it, it's quite conflicting considering his agenda.
651  Other / Off-topic / Re: You reap what you sow on: January 27, 2011, 08:07:49 PM
If Molyneux could take a cue from Harry Browne's optimistic writing in "How I found freedom in an unfree world", his slice of the voluntarist movement would be much more fun.

You should email that to him.  He is human and reads his emails.  He's replied to mine a couple of times.

host@freedomainradio.com
652  Economy / Marketplace / Re: witcoin on: January 27, 2011, 07:29:17 PM
witcoin has been redesigned.  let me know what you think.
653  Other / Off-topic / Re: slavery and food on: January 27, 2011, 07:55:40 AM
It would be interesting to see action of a 'broken record' in the sense that for example, similar to Keene getting arrested for wearing a hat, and then later an additional friend getting arrested, it may be interesting to see after certain duration that yet another individuals pursues a kind of behavior that while recognizably acceptable to society may seem liek yet another volunteer to be enslaved and therefore also arrested.  It would be AMAZING if this continued dozens, hundreds, even thousands, maybe ten thousands and more of times all in the same incident.

Eventually the currently engaged police officers would recognize the pattern and perhaps call in additional 'force.'  In that expected situation, it would be interesting/amazing for even more citizens to contribute towards this stream of activity resulting in even more arrests and enslavements.

I highly doubt that the civilians in the entire locality can be arrested, but if citizens of the entire locality organized with each other to pursue such experiences, it would be very interesting to see the outcome.

Or take the idea of getting arrested for recording the police.  It would be interesting if one person caught recording teh police were being arrested, and then another individual showed up who also contributed towards another recording and then was also arrested, and then yet another individual was found nearby noticeably and actively recording and then was also arrested ...... 100 more arrests ... and then YET ANOTHER individual was found to be recording and also arrested...   ........ what are we at so far?   10,000 people arrested in the same incident!  Woo profits!

Chill out, man.

Other than inaction and ignorance is there reason to be 'chill?'
654  Other / Off-topic / slavery and food on: January 27, 2011, 06:57:59 AM
I thought of some things while seeping.  Here's the brevity:

slavery

The policing and imprisonment system through the united states and I believe similarly well-established throughout the word is handled very similarly to slavery in that it may be a kind of evolved form of slavery, especially considering the established behaviorisms of related personnel in which they do not 'serve and protect' the public but instead 'server and protect' the continuously incoming profits from their actions of imprisoning and enslaving as many as possible or as much as they are permitted by society.  Each individual or group of individuals that experience these types of abuses in relation to their friends and family being enslaved may feel as if they cannot do anything about it even as they try almost desperately as they are only one or a few distinct individuals in support of a single or few additionally established slaves (for varying durations of time).  Recently watching videos at http://freekeene.com helped to reinforce or establish the ideas that made me to consider this concept.

matrix / food / coupons

The mass produced food in which we consume may be made available to consumers in a way that is contributory towards enslavement and control of the minds of individuals that consume such foods.  e.g. you are what you eat.  Although it may not be accurate depiction for all food suppliers offering coupons, coupons for particular products may be made available to undercut prices for competitive products allowing for the particular product related to the coupon having more recognition for having the cheapest monetary price at time of sale.  This may allow for established monopolistic food entities to provide food offerings that may be detrimental or contributory to one's health perhaps in the form of GMOs designed to aid in such deteriorations or even to offer opportunity for consumers to feel a need for further reliance on medicinal remedies made available by health industry to cure or remedy common symptoms such as cold, upset stomach, flu, digestion issues, etc.  These issues seem very related to the food we eat, that if we choose healthy foods, then our bodies may recognize that they are healthy and not become weakened or damaged due to unhealthy foods, especially ones specifically designed to be unhealthy.  The matrix reference is in relation to scene of babies feeding the system.
655  Other / Off-topic / 'Spanking Your Liver-Spotted Ass' - Tiger Mother Parenting Part 2 on: January 26, 2011, 01:53:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVrCSAMnf6I

Quote from: Stefen Molyneux
I get this question a lot, which is why children, you can't reason with children so you have to use some kind of force to control them, to restrain them, they don't know what's best for them, they basically have cognitive deficiencies which necessitate the use of parental aggression in order to keep them safe and happy and on the right path and so on.  And to my mind that is not a reasonable or good argument.  And the way to best understand that is to understand that the principal is not parent to child.  The principle is more cognitively efficient to less cognitively efficient.  In other words, if it's just parent to child then it's bigger and strong and the key ingredient there is bigger and stronger not cognitive deficiency.  But if we accept that parents have good brains and children have relatively not so good brains, then it is the good brains to not so good brains that really counts. In other words, if you can think better or more clearly or more efficiently than somebody else, then you can use force or bullying or aggression or abuse in order to help them to think better.  Now, of course, the science clearly shows that stress inhibits the development of brain cells and impairs cognitive efficiency.  Just try doing a quadratic equation while you're running away from a bear and see how well that goes.  But, the reality is that if this is a universal principal like better better brain can bully worse brain in order to make worse brain better then it's a universal principal.  It has nothing to do with parent child.
656  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoind Pooled Mining Investment Club on: January 24, 2011, 01:45:36 PM
Maybe http://www.ossec.net/ ? #ossec on freenode
657  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoind Pooled Mining Investment Club on: January 24, 2011, 12:30:36 PM
I've completed a draft version of some potential bylaws for this organization...

Why not post it to http://bitcoind.org/wiki or http://bitcoind.org/mediawiki ?
658  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoind Pooled Mining Investment Club on: January 22, 2011, 02:16:08 PM
This club could benefit from further assistance with preparing a website to outline/detail the ideas and efforts of this community.  Would anyone like to volunteer?
659  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoind Pooled Mining Investment Club on: January 22, 2011, 02:31:09 AM
There is nothing stopping us renting out the cluster for uses other than bitcoin mining. Corporations and Scientific projects etc need hashing power and are willing to pay for it. In between those contracts bitcoin mining would take place. Think Big!    Smiley

Perhaps the payment could be handled in bitcoins.
660  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Yet Another Misunderstanding of Bitcoin on: January 21, 2011, 06:01:12 AM
I contacted my Uncle again regarding the latest headline from EFF https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/01/bitcoin-step-toward-censorship-resistant and he replied suggesting:

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EFF is a great org.
 
I think odds are not in favor of any anonymous exchange medium.  if governments cannot control & track it, they cannot tax it.  Therefore, there is lots of barriers to overcome.  The master keys of the key technologies are always held by government entities, for many sensible reasons, chief among them is fraud and crime.
 
if the above can be overcome, liquidity is still a barrier.  Liquidity refers to sufficiently large markets and volumes, so the medium can be valued for trade.
 
several years ago 2002, I wanted to do a similar thing in a smaller scale - just one country -Denmark.  In discussion with a Danish bank team, we finally concluded that the concept does not have a technical barrier.  the para-technology barriers cannot be under-estimated.
 
please do not post / publish my comments /emails without prior authorization.  I value my privacy greatly.
 
My email communications are always communications of one to one. Not one to many.  Not even when you might think it is anonymous, because it is not.

It is a bit disappointing that based on his initial statement his concern seems to be focused on 'governments.'  While I recognize that majority of people have established the idea that the world revolves around government control and without that control (from governments) then the idea may be replied to in a kind of oppositional manner, it isn't so exciting that people pursue that ideaology.  However, the initial statement merely suggests that he 'thinks the odds are not in favor.'  Perhaps even though he had communicated merely that he 'thinks' the odds are not in favor, that his actions (or inactions) based on his thoughts (or communicating such thoughts) will be representative of the very statement that 'he thought,' particularly that of not being in favor of any anonymous exchange medium.  Therefore because he 'thinks' the 'odds' are not in favor, he also will therefore not be in favor of any anonymous exchange medium.  I, on the other, have no concern what 'the odds' (what odds? or rather, if this concept has odds, then everything has odds) are and also have no concern for any similarities to that of gambling, but am enthusiastically in favor of the Bitcoin exchange medium, much more favorably than that of the us dollar exchange medium.  By the way, I had also linked to my Uncle the thirty minute cartoon entitled The American Dream which explains the us dollar, federal reserve, current system of 'exchange medium,' however I did not receive any response from him in relation to that video and am uncertain if he watched it or any portion of it and also if he does or does not agree with any or some of the content expressed within the video.

Continuing past the second opening sentence of his, after his first, suggesting that the EFF is great org., "The master keys of the key technologies are always held by government entities, for many sensible reasons, chief among them is fraud and crime."

Quote from: my Uncle
The master keys of the key technologies are 'always' held by government entities

Now I clearly recognize that he did not watch the video and that he also is not aware that ~100 years ago there was no government entity and therefore of any 'key technologies' that existed during such times, that there was also no 'master key.'  Other than that, due to lack of consideration or realization of such realities of history, I have no further statements.

Anyone else care to respond to the insights brought on by my Uncle?

Actually, I just noticed before even reading his response fully, that my Uncle had declared not to publish his comments.  It is too late, and even so, information wants to be free.  I imagine that in my posting his response (which may be similar to many other individuals and can probably be reproduced or the same ideas can be established from other publicly accessible resources).

Considering my Uncle's stature in society I imagine that if there is any violation of law involved in my posting his message written to me and also based on our not so well established closeness in regards to Family or acceptance of one another as individuals that there may be 'legal' concerns established with assistance from brutal us government, law, policing, control, power, manipulation, money, greed system that is established throughout the world (as has been seen relative to Julian Assange requested to be extradited even though not us citizen) directed towards this particular forum post.
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