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4  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Mungkin ini salah satu penyebab pasar bullish sekarang tidak sekuat dulu on: December 19, 2025, 06:30:06 PM

Sourch: Gemini.google.com
Kalau begini ceritanya memang tidak mengherankan gan saya pribadi merasa pasar spot kalah ramainya sama trading future. Bahkan jika kita melihat screenshoot yang dibagikan dimedia sosial seperti X, FB dan juga di Telegram hampir semuanya lebih banyak memamerkan profit di future. Yang artinya memang pasar future atau lebih tepatnya perpetual future memang lebih ramai.

Btw ternyata antara pasar future dan Perpetual keduanya adalah dua hal yang berbeda jika dilihat di saham atau dipasar lainnya selain kripto. tetapi di kripto sepertinya keduanya disatuin jadi pasar Futuer perpetual.


Namun soal populeritas pasar future memang sudah tidak diragukan lagi yang memang sudah ada sejak lama jauh sebelum kripto itu sendiri ada. karena Pasar future bahkan sudah ada sejak era tradisional sebelum era digital datang. Untuk lebih lengkapnya silahkan baca di banyak sumber yang artikelnya memang sudah banyak yang buat seperti salah satu ini. (Histori Of Future Trading) yang didalamnya juga menceritakan bahwa trading future memang sudah ada sejak sebelum ada penanggalan Masehi.

Luar biasa gan. Ini informasi super menurut saya. Soalnya selama ini saya menyangka bahwa pasar future pertama kali berasal dari jepang. Yaitu di abad ke 17 yaitu di pasar beras Dojima yang terletak di daerah Osaka Jepang.
Namun setelah membaca sumber yang agan cantumkan saya awalnya mengira bahwa agan jatiluhung mungkin keliru, tetapi setelah membaca saya pikir informasi tersebut memang cukup masuk akal juga. Dan saya juga mencoba menelusurinya lebih dalam lagi dan memang saat itu di Mesopotamia kurang lebih 3000-2000 SM telah ada cikal bikal future.
Sumber:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi
- https://www.quantifiedstrategies.com/history-of-derivatives-trading/


Lebih tepatnya di era Sumeria, Babilonia, dan Akkadia, kabarnya memang sudah ditemukan kontrak tertulis di tablet tanah liat y ang isinya adalah sebagai berikut:

1. Janji pengiriman barang di masa depan
2. Harga atau nilai disepakati diawal (Nah ini sudah memang kayak perdagangan future)
3. Jenis barang saat itu berupa Gandum, Jelai, Kurma, perak, Wol dan lainnya
4. Dan ada tanggal jatuh temponya juga,
5. Namun disana ada sangsi hukum jika ingkar ( ini mirip terlikuidasi atau engga ya) kayaknya tidak ya.

Dari keterangan tersebut jelas bahwa ini memang karakteristik pasar future yang mana ciri-cirinya adalah "Harga ditetapkan sekarang, Sedangjan penyerahan barangnya nanti".

Btw di kita di indonesia sepertinya juga cukup sering kita melihat praktik seperti ini antara para petani dan tengkulak padi. Sehingga bisa jadi di indonesia sendiri para petani sejak dulu sebenarnya mengenal perdagangan future.

Maaf jika jadi OOT. tetapi saya hanya sedikit terkejut saja ternyata perdagangan future cikal bakalnya sudah ada sejak lama sekali. Saya selama ini cuma tahu informasi yang dijepang itu saja.

Namun dalam perkembangan Modernnya sepertinya di Amerika serikat lebih dulu didirikan Chicago Board of trade yang ada perdagangan futurenya disana namun untuk kebutuhan pokok saja seperti jagung, gandum dll. Mirip era Sumeria berarti.  Grin
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6  Economy / Economics / Re: Shift your perspective on: December 10, 2025, 12:31:02 PM
When you see the bitcoin market declining it is natural to think about the money you are holding and it can be anxiety inducing to see it keep declining. But instead of worrying, I just say that I will just buy more so I will have more segments of bitcoin. I know bitcoin will eventually recover anyway. Basically if you do not like the numbers you are seeing on your screen, make it a goal to add more to it. Make use of this bearish movements and accumulate bitcoin.
Well, if we still have a special budget to accumulate bitcoin for the long term, then buying more when there is a decline is indeed a good move as an average down effort that can lower our average purchase value as we buy more bitcoin at a cheaper price than our previous purchases.

However, for those who do not have a special budget to accumulate bitcoin for the long term, it is better not to buy it again when there is a decline. Unless they intend to trade by taking advantage of the downturn and selling again when the price rises.

And in my opinion, don't get too caught up in the hype in the market. We can actually be patient and wait for the bear market to come if we want to accumulate more bitcoin for the long term. And why rush if our goal is long-term? We can also accumulate at a leisurely pace. And there's nothing wrong with waiting for the bear market to come.
7  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2025/26 Season on: December 10, 2025, 12:20:26 PM
With this level of play, Chelsea should be grateful they didn’t lose by a big margin. Luckily, Atalanta weren’t that great either.
Maresca tries a different rotation every match. Is this really the same team that dominated Barcelona and didn’t let Arsenal breathe? The Champions League is basically over for Chelsea this year.
Actually, this situation is also due to several Chelsea players being absent due to injury and other reasons. So Maresca has to rotate the available players, who happen to be quite numerous. However, I think Chelsea still has a great chance in the UCL. After all, Chelsea is currently ranked 11th based on the points earned from 6 matches. In the next match, Chelsea is unlikely to squander another opportunity to win. Since the next match will be against Pafos, I don't see any reason for Chelsea to lose to Pafos in the upcoming game. Therefore, Chelsea is still on a fairly good track in the UCL so far.
8  Economy / Economics / Re: Growing Up in an Inflation World: A Teenager’s Challenge on: December 10, 2025, 04:31:52 AM
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Thanks alot "bazzu" for helping me show them an image so they can see what we see, I appreciate a lot. Y'all keep encouraging me every day. I was currently thinking how I could explain more until I saw this, and I recommend others to view this to understand more and get where I'm coming from.

Now imagine an average teen probably in secondary School or primary still depending on their parents with their own needs in an inflation country as Nigerian
You're welcome. I'm just curious, and it seems that inflation there is quite high, just as you said. And struggling there will not be as easy as in countries with lower inflation rates, such as my country, Indonesia.

However, people who live in difficult situations usually become better and mentally stronger individuals. And they will know better how to appreciate life.


Here is a comparison of the data from the source I visited.

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Perhaps in 2025, the situation will improve slightly. However, I believe the number will still be quite high. I was surprised that at the end of 2024, the number was even above 30%.

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In 2024, Nigeria appears to be experiencing level 3 inflation, which is severe inflation (inflation above 30%) that will certainly harm the economy there. However, in 2025, it seems that the inflation rate there will drop to level 2, which is moderate inflation (inflation of 10-30%). Level 2 is actually still quite dangerous, even for those with a fixed income, and will be even worse for those with an irregular income. However, their inflation rate is now approaching 10%, although it is still at 16%. I think that given the month-on-month decline this year, Nigeria will soon recover and their economy will improve in the coming years.

Meanwhile, Indonesia remains at Level 1 (below 10%), indicating that our economy is relatively healthy. We should be grateful for that.
We should even learn from Nigeria. They managed to reduce their inflation rate quite quickly, from 30% to 16% in just one year. I think that's progress. Meanwhile, our country has actually experienced an increase in inflation, although not by a large amount.

But I agree that we should be more grateful that our country is not experiencing high inflation.

But here, the challenge for young people to achieve success is still not easy. In fact, the number of unemployed people is quite high. But here, the number of people starting businesses is also very high.
9  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2025/2026 on: December 09, 2025, 01:20:48 PM
I don't think it was the peak of Man United best performance, just because they won over Wolves today doesn't mean all the problems have been resolved, the EPL season is still long so don't be too complacent. But still, his performance must be appreciated, Amorim is also not the type of coach who will be satisfied quickly, as a coach of a giant team it is appropriate that Amorim must be more ambitious.   
That's right. Even though it was a victory with quite a few goals, it wasn't a big win. Beating the team at the bottom of the table is no big deal. It's actually quite normal and expected. In fact, it would have been more surprising if Man United hadn't won that match or had drawn.

Manchester United must prove they have turned a corner by defeating stronger opponents than Wolves. And I believe upcoming matches like those against Bournemouth and Aston Villa will serve as tests for Manchester United to determine whether they have improved or not.
10  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2025/26 Season on: December 09, 2025, 12:45:01 PM
Challenge for Liverpool defeating Inter Milan in this matchday round to secure position will qualify to knock out round after loss last matchday from PSV and current position of Liverpool not unfavorable. Arne Slot position not secure yet before winning the mqtch against Inter but I doubt The Kop will easy back to top performance. Slot leaved Mohamad Salah and not include him in the squad list against Inter Milan, will be problem for Liverpool playing without Salah?
Barcelona vs Frankfurt is revenge match in Champion League how Barcelona loss from Chelsea last matchday, if loss points again can't help Barcelona get spot position to next round with current 7 points after playing 5 matches.
Liverpool may struggle in their match against Inter Milan. Especially since Inter Milan will be hosting the match. Arne Slot even took a risk by not registering Salah for this UCL match. Internal problems within the Liverpool squad can usually have a negative impact on other players. So I'm actually worried that Liverpool will suffer a defeat. Liverpool should handle the players' complaints more calmly. Especially since Salah has made significant contributions to the team. So when Salah suddenly posts something like that, it should prompt the club to investigate and analyze what happened to make him act that way. There are rumors that Salah might leave mid-season. Whether it's true or not, it's not good at all.

Barcelona will win today's match. That's what I believe. However, the result might go against my wishes. But Barcelona is in a position where they can't afford to lose again.
11  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2025/2026 on: December 09, 2025, 12:12:15 PM
I am think that the Wolves will be able to save themselves from relegation as a team. The championship is still long and anything can still happen. This is football and it doesn't always go as it should. We are here and we are witnessing a beautiful championship, but we know that the most difficult phase is yet to come.
Wolves have always managed to stay in the Premier League, no matter the circumstances. However, they are not usually in their current position at the bottom of the table. They usually only hover around the relegation zone. However, the season is still long, and opportunities remain wide open as long as Wolves can quickly improve their team, start winning more matches, and consistently accumulate full points. Because if Wolves continue in their current state, they will only sink further, and the chances of escaping the relegation zone will begin to close tightly.
12  Economy / Economics / Re: Growing Up in an Inflation World: A Teenager’s Challenge on: December 09, 2025, 11:55:34 AM
Take phones as an example. The average teenager can barely afford a brand-new device in Nigeria today because of high inflation. Even older models that used to be cheap are now expensive.

Inflation may be something we can’t control, but learning skills early and understanding how the economy works can help teenagers adapt and survive.
From that one example alone, I was very surprised. I didn't know that Nigeria had a higher inflation rate than I had imagined. I am concerned about this. And I am beginning to understand how difficult it is for teenagers there to struggle with economic challenges, inflation, and possibly even recession.

I checked it out, and it turns out that what the OP said is true, Nigeria's inflation rate is indeed quite high compared to what is happening in my country, Indonesia.

Here is a comparison of the data from the source I visited.

Nigeria inflation 2025

(Sourch: https://id.tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/inflation-cpi)

Indonesia's Inflation in 2025

(Sourch: https://id.tradingeconomics.com/indonesia/inflation-cpi)

Perhaps in 2025, the situation will improve slightly. However, I believe the number will still be quite high. I was surprised that at the end of 2024, the number was even above 30%.

13  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2025/26 Season on: December 09, 2025, 11:30:17 AM
The title race is still wide open for several teams in the top half of the table, including Arsenal, who currently sit atop the table. But Arsenal must understand that their consistency in winning their upcoming matches must not diminish, as the second half of the season will be even more intense, both in the Champions League and in other competitions like the Premier League. Once you enter the knockout stages, every team is under even greater pressure to stay in the competition, as even a small mistake could have fatal consequences.
At this stage, one defeat may not even be a problem, but in the next stage, the round of 16, one defeat could knock a team out of the competition. Therefore, every team must be more consistent when entering the round of 16. Arsenal should also be able to get through the round of 16, as long as they don't face tough opponents right away. As the current top-ranked team in the Premier League, Arsenal also bears the heavy responsibility of not disgracing the Premier League. They must demonstrate their strength, which makes Arsenal worthy of being at the top of the Premier League and makes European football realize how strong Premier League teams are. Therefore, there can be no more mistakes, no matter how small. Arteta must be more ambitious. I hope he focuses more on winning all competitions this season, rather than prioritizing just one, which would cause Arsenal to miss out on opportunities in another competition.
14  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2025/2026 on: December 08, 2025, 02:30:37 PM
Man united don't have any excuse whatsoever to lose that match because they are not the same,even in Manchester United dream they should be able to win this match,the reason is because Manchester United might be annoying at times but not to the extent of losing against Wolves. Wolves have suffered a lot this season and have not been doing well.  But if Wolves win this match because anything can happen for real, then Manchester United should cover their face in shame honestly
If Manchester United loses against Wolves, they should be ashamed of the result. Losing to a team that is currently at the bottom of the table is terrible. So, Ruben Amorim must do whatever it takes to ensure that Man United wins this match. Wolves has not won in 14 games. Meanwhile, Manchester United has at least six wins from 14 matches. So, statistically, Manchester United is far superior. And when considering other factors like squad depth, Manchester United is heavily favored. Even a draw would be quite embarrassing for Manchester United in this match.
15  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: December 08, 2025, 02:00:18 PM
So, this will certainly be much better for Al Nasr, because they have the potential to win and also maintain their confidence. Therefore, Al Nasr this season will definitely be a very difficult team to beat in the Saudi Arabian League. Because we have seen their performance so far, and everyone should also conclude that Al Nasr currently has no gaps at all in their squad. Therefore, we should not doubt Al Nasr when their performance is as good as it is now. So, the point is, we'll just see next week whether what I said is true or not.
When it comes to Al-Nassr, we have seen them perform solidly in their last nine matches in the SPL this season. So, yes, we can trust this team to remain the favorites this season. Even in their next match against Al-Najma Saudi, there is no doubt that Al-Nassr will win. This is because Al-Najma Saudi does not seem strong enough to compete in the Saudi Pro League. Since being promoted to the Saudi Pro League this season, their first season, things have not gone well for them. It looks like they will be relegated in their first season back in the Saudi Pro League. So far, they have not won a single game out of the nine they have played this season. Al-Nassr will continue to maintain their top position, and I hope Al-Nassr will also set an unbeaten record this season.
16  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2025/26 Season on: December 08, 2025, 01:46:45 PM
The good thing for Chelsea is that Caicedo would be in the involved in the match since the red card he had in the Premier League won't stop him from playing in the Champions league and he'll be paired with either James or Enzo in the Midfield moreover Cole Palmer is back which means that there would be extra boost in the attack and Midfield. Anyways Chelsea's been in good form in the Champions League although they dropped points in their domestic league but I guess they've moved past that and would be really preparing to win their next fixture against Atalanta and maintain a good position in the Champions League.
That's really good news for the Chelsea squad. And with this, we don't need to worry too much about the depth of this squad. But Atalanta is not a team to be taken lightly. However, since Atalanta is no longer coached by Gasperini, I believe Chelsea will comfortably defeat them by at least a two-goal margin. Atalanta currently appears to be a team still searching for its identity, and they haven't returned to their best form since the coaching change. Meanwhile, Chelsea is currently in top form in the UCL. Previously, without us expecting it, Chelsea also managed to defeat one of the favorites in this season's UCL. And in my opinion, defeating Atalanta will not be too difficult for Chelsea. However, Maresca must not underestimate the opponent they will face.
17  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does prayers really work in gambling? on: December 08, 2025, 01:11:15 PM
I don't know if it will  work or not. But if it's just to feel optimistic, more confident, and so on, without regard to winning or losing, then I think it's quite effective.

I'm sure that those who bet on soccer matches sometimes unconsciously pray for their favorite team to win. And without realizing it, we also kind of pray for our bets to succeed in that match.

But don't just rely on prayers in this matter. There still needs to be effort or initiative taken. Make an analysis and only bet at the right moment.

Oh wait, sometimes I also pray for good luck in everything that matters, including my gambling activities.

Please answer honestly, everyone. Most of you do it unconsciously too, right? Hoping for good luck?  Grin
18  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: IN THE GAME OF SCORE NEVER UNDERESTIMATE ANY CLUB. on: December 08, 2025, 12:27:15 PM
In the game of score never underestimate any club no matter how good you might be in the seasons because if you eventually see your opposition as lesser team, that is your beginning of your don fall because the lesser team will putting in there best just to make sure that they play their best, and also every matches is important, which a coach should not rest a player just because you are meeting a lesser teams to play with, for example Leeds vs Chelsea in the match that was held middle of week was so surprising to Chelsea manager, players and fans, the coach couldn't see the lossing coming because he saw Leeds at the bottom of the premier League table and he think that the match is work over to them already, so i have come to conclusion that for any club to actually win a match, the seriousness must be considered and underestimating club should be erase from the coach and players till the 90+ is over.
It seems like you're pretty upset about some of the surprising results lately. And I understand how you feel. Because I think it's not just you or me here who have suffered losses due to the surprising results of several matches in recent weeks. But all of us here who bet on those surprising matches feel the same way.  Cool

This is where we sometimes need to manage our bet amounts so we don't overdo it on a single match that seems to have good odds. Sometimes strong teams make mistakes by underestimating weaker teams. But who could have predicted that Chelsea would lose in such a way in that match? However, it's not just about player rotations. Changing the team formation too frequently can also be a bad thing, as seen with Real Madrid yesterday.
19  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2025/2026 on: December 07, 2025, 08:53:02 PM
The goal that followed the passing in Fulham's match against Crystal Palace and Fulham was beautiful. Wilson also struck the ball well after the passing. I watched the passing and the goal again, it was that good. With three minutes left in regulation time, Crystal Palace took the lead with a corner, and Guehi scored. Crystal Palace won on their away trip. They're in fourth place in the league table and doing really well. They don't worry about away games, they just keep winning.
In that match, I think luck was definitely on Crystal Palace's side. Although they deserved to win, Fulham, as the home team, also created many chances. However, they were not good at capitalizing on them. They wasted most of them. Crystal Palace also had many chances, but they managed to convert two of them into two goals.

This result will undoubtedly have a positive impact on Crystal Palace's upcoming matches in the Europa Conference League. The team needs to secure victories there, as they have only managed two wins from their four Europa Conference League matches so far.
20  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 07, 2025, 08:39:22 PM
Napoli has gotten one early goal by Rasmus Hojlund. If they maintain this lead and eventually win this match, they will climb to the top of the table until AC Milan plays Torino tomorrow and the outcome will determine if they will remain at the top or take the second position. Serie A this season is becoming really tight and has not shown us who will lift the trophy because many teams have the opportunity to get it since the points are close.
Usually, as we approach the midpoint of the season, we start to see teams that dominate the season and manage to stay at the top with a significant point difference. However, this season and last season, this has not been the case in Serie A. Here, the competition has become more even, with no team that can be underestimated. Several matches today also serve as examples of how surprising the results can be. Lazio was held to a draw by Bologna, Verona surprisingly defeated Atalanta, and even highly favored Roma suffered a defeat today against Cagliari, a team that was not favored at all.

As for the ongoing match between Napoli and Juventus, I don't think the outcome will be considered surprising, as both teams are fairly evenly matched. However, if Napoli wins, they will temporarily take the top spot.
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