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Why is satoshi a hero member in the picture posted on OP?
Maybe the founder tag haven't been assigned by the time the capture was taken. Special thanks to Crypto Library for bringing this piece of history back. Not so many people take the time to know Bitcoin's history. I find this original logo to be very eloquent: It is a gold coin as in digital gold, as in digital store of value. |
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Do not think it is good idea to talk about payment method as an art. It have to be serious financial thing
Bitcoin is the most serious financial solution: The most valuable transactional network in the world. The most robust supranational public infrastructure. Bitcoin is many things, among them, Bitcoin is also a beautiful work of art. Art is serious, and Bitcoin's solemnity is secured by inmutable code. |
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Whether something is art or isn't is subject to many debates. Some believe art should express universal values, others value originality, uniqueness. Some think art is purely subjective, but many believe that it can roughly be judged objectively (which is how the value and recognition of some work over other is possible).
Bitcoin isn't subjective to me. In fact, it's all about verifiable things and consensus. There can be different purposes for Bitcoin, but they aren't limitless and largely fall into gambling, trading, hodling, using it as money.
As a person who teaches logic, I also can't help but point out a logical mistake in the last three sentences (if we take them together, as two premises and a conclusion). Even if Bitcoin is freedom and art is also freedom, that doesn't mean that Bitcoin is art. Simple example: apples are fruit, oranges are fruit, but apples aren't oranges.
Code = Speech Speech = subjective expression Art = subjective freedom Bitcoin = Code for freedom (financial freedom) Bitcoin = Speech for freedom speech for freedom = subjective expression for freedom subjetive expression for freedom = subjective freedom Bitcoin = Art NoFull-RBF |
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Hey! You don't get any closer to Bitcoin by using the adjective art, and even less if you use it to make it rhyme like a poet. And it is the metaphorical point of the conjunction, it is just that. In fact, you don't get OT if you use the premises of Bitcoin and put the word art before it. The point is that we fall into a melancholic, platonic situation where perhaps the least there is Bitcoin discussion.  So, Ok! : Bitcoin is Art". You are missing the key points of this thread: 1. #NoFullRBF 2. Bitcoin genesis block hidden messages. 3. Bitcoin is at the core of the new deflationary economic system, yet to be named. 4. Bitcoin is a work of art. 5. Bitcoin opens the door for a new aesthetic thinking. I'll love to further discuss these 5 key points. You are all wrong in our opinion.
Art is merely expression.
We all use bitcoin to express ourselves in a multitude of different ways.
That must mean bitcoin = art?
Or are we missing something?
The thing about being disruptive, is that everyone thinks you are wrong at first. Just as many renowned economists think Bitcoin is wrong even today. Art is not merely expression. Art can be a comfortable building, or a very efficient bridge too. Just taking architecture into consideration. |
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It is one thing to say or use an analogy to express ideas associated with a concept, a fact, etc. and another very different thing is to assume that such a thing is so or to convert the comparative or the analogy into equality. Art mainly uses tangible elements, as a form of expression to recreate feelings, emotions or what each person may well feel when seeing or observing a creation that has such an end. Among the categories of art that exist, it does not fit into any, it is an invention and the inventions that have been developed throughout humanity have served to create art or enjoy, the music, for example, the phonograph continues to be a great invention. Now recreating a phonograph, in a painting, a craft, is or could be a work of art. Perhaps if someone thinks of writing a book telling the history of bitcoin, it will become a literary work of art based on one of the greatest technological inventions of the 21st century. Now! if you understand that, anyone can say, Bitcoin is "art" but don't forget inverted commas "". without the inverted commas and in capital letters because it is at the core of an aesthetical revolution. Bitcoin is not only at the core of the new deflationary economic system, it goes well beyond those practical purposes. Bitcoin is The digital store of value, but first it redefined value. Bitcoin is Art because it will redefine Art. A new economic system comes together with a new aesthetic thinking. So what is Art in the days of Bitcoin ? Art must have all Bitcoin's characteristics in order to be Art in the days of Bitcoin: Disruptive Scarce True Authorship secure (even in anonymity) Decentralized Publicly available Unstoppable Coherent with the continuation of the species. (Art in favour of life) #NoFullRBF |
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Wut? FullRBF is disabled by default and you have to go out of your way to manually enable it via a config switch or command line option.
If you don't like the feature, just fork Bitcoin again. There is nothing any of us can do to reverse course. This is the decentralized consensus after all.
As other users have commented, A Fork is not a proper solution for this attack. Consensus was broken when Core devs decided to go against Bitcoin´s White Paper: For our purposes, the earliest transaction is the one that counts, so we don't care about later attempts to double-spend. Each Attack is an opportunity for Bitcoin and bitcoiners to gain self awareness, this is a perfect example as self awareness is the only posible solution. We need better Bitcoin education.First I'll post my arguments against Full-RBF and then I'll propose a solution: Full-RBF was deliberately included on Core V24.0 without reaching consensus. It opens a door to centralization under Blockstream: Bitcoin is not Lightning. Lighting is a L2 solution for scalability of micropayments. Bitcoin L1 is the truly secure, high value layer. Full-RBF solves NO problem: RBF already existed, there was no reason for Full-RBF to be deployed. Full-RBF enables ANY transaction to be double spendable, any honest transaction could be replaced by a malicious higher fee one. This could result in censorship, seizure of funds by an state actor or theft. For understanding this last argument I´ll explain one of Bitcoins limitations which should be publicly known if we believe in self custody: Because of how Bitcoin's cryptography works, You'll not find substantial attack worthy unspent UTXO. This is because whales know that any pvt key gets easier to extract through brute force if you already use it to sign a transaction. Any system has its limitations and Bitcoin is not the exception. However Bitcoin has been doing great so far with its own. Any transaction awaiting in the mempool is vulnerable due to this same reason. This is why the first seen rule was included on Bitcoin's white paper. If a state agent is able to extract a PVT key from a transacción on the mempool in less than 10 minutes on 2022, or in X years from now is not an argument. Full-RBF is opening the back door towards censorship and seizure of Bitcoin's transactions. Now I'll share with you my suggested solution for this attack. It's a multi layer solution and strong community support is required. But bitcoiners are strong, and Bitcoin will came out stronger than ever: Social Layer:Any Bitcoiner that cares for Bitcoin to remain being Bitcoin, and to continue its path towards the wolrd's store of value, must share their disagreement with Core's breach of consensus. I suggest the hashtag #NoFullRBF on every Bitcoin related publication. A campaign for the quick removal of all links to the V24.0 and V24.0.1 Core versions from this and all other sites. A strong educational campaign and continuing program on UTXOs, PVT and Public key's limitations and inner mechanics. Best practices for self custody, unexpended transactions vulnerabilities, etc. Core Dev Layer:Core must work in a Non Full-RBF V25 client to be released as soon as posible. Bitcoin Core must remove all links to their malicious Full-RBF code as soon as possible. Any Dev incapable of summarize, or being concise and clear on their argumentation for Full-RBF must be ignored. It´s a common attack tactic on social layers, to write long speeches with unintelligible language for others to feel dumb. Don't you fall for this tactic. Also personal attacks must be contained from these discussions. I'll take part if it is necessary. Full-RBF Nodes Monitor TeamWe need a new Dev team in charge of creating the tools for Bitcoin's community to be able to follow the number of nodes running Full-RBF in real time. A team Operational for the rest of Bitcoin's History. (Thanks Peter Todd) As the number of Full-RBF Attacker Nodes must never go over 10% of the total node count. Protocol LayerIn case we are unable to contain attacker nodes under 10% we will need to adapt the Timechain. I propose a 5 minute block time with all the necessary adjustments for the monetary policy to remain unchanged. This has profound ramifications in terms of orphan Blocks because of networks latency, propagation and reaction times which needs to be studied further. This is a scenario I prefer to avoid. #NoFullRBFDo not download Bitcoin Core V24 If your are running V24 Uninstall immediately! Security must not be compromised in favor of UX, Scalability, or any other reason unrelated to Bitcoin's value itself. |
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Do not download Bitcoin Core V24.0.1
It contains the malicious Full-RBF code.
#NoFullRBF
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yes! Satoshi is back! Fear not, just Another whale. World's first and biggest hodler.
Where is he?🤔 is you he?🤣 Bitcoin is under attack. The worst attack in its entire history. I'm trying to bring consciusness around Full-RBF disadvantages. So why I'm here is a more pertinent question. Do not download Bitcoin Core V24.0Do not download Bitcoin Core V24.0.1If you're running these, uninstall immediately! |
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Visa and Mastercard networks, are not as secure as Bitcoin.
They're just private centralized transactional networks. They're not a store of value, they are not the core of a new economic system and definitely not works of art.
Unfortunately though, After the Full-RBF option was included into Bitcoin Core V24, Bitcoin is now closer to being just another Visa or Mastercard, and farther away from being the store of value the Blockchain industry needs Bitcoin to be.
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An actress on a theater's stage applies untangible "elements, as a form of expression to recreate feelings, emotions or what each person may well feel when seeing or observing a creation that has such an end." "Among the categories of art that exist, it does not fit into any" I agree, Bitcoin creates its own categories. Bitcoin is at the core of the new deflationary economic system, a new economic system that is yet to be named by us. "Now! if you understand that, anyone can say, Bitcoin is "art" but don't forget inverted commas "". " I don't agree with the separation of Arts and crafts, as it's mostly founded on ethnocentrism, and assumed from a naive misinterpretation of the other. I prefer the Bauhaus approach. I'm sorry if i might've ofended someone with my interpretation of Bitcoin. It was not my intention. Bitcoin Please pay attention I can even stop defending my idea if you understand this meme: 
Don't turn Bitcoin into another meme coin please! We already have enough of those.
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Do not download Bitcoin Core V24. If you did, uninstall it immediately
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Bitcoin and art are two different things,bitcoin is a digital currency that is based on decentralized system which is used to pay for goods and services,it has a major benefit than art. Though, they are both creativity but have different concept. Art has been there for a very long time and has something to do with gift and talent.
Many people see bitcion as a valuable asset and they tend to call it so many names due to the way they understand from their reasoning. If you are calling bitcoin a separate name apart for its name,then you should keep it to yourself and not trying to convince people to accept your own perspective about bitcoin. You can not call
You're underestimating art. Bitcoin being Art is not a bad thing. Bitcoin is many things. Not just a decentralized digital currency. |
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Is there a prize for keeping this forum without UI updates? Because that prize is mine and not theymos'. Stop bothering him with that topic.
Bitcoin has always been a cooperative group work with many people contributions crucial, specially in those early days. You should seek for them, ask them about FULL-RBF, and first seen rule. Hear those early addresses holders for advise.
12 years gone fast.
I'm not a threat for Bitcoin. FULL-RBF is.
What about my prize? |
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yes! Satoshi is back! Fear not, just Another whale. World's first and biggest hodler.
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bitcoin is not art, you write art is freedom, and bitcoin is freedom.
it is true that there is freedom in bitcoin, but still freedom in bitcoin and art are different.
bitcoin has its own rules, and art also has its own rules.
the meaning of bitcoin and art is different,
- ART
Art is the skill of making quality works, such as dance, painting, carving. Art includes many human activities in creating visual, audio, or performance works that express the imagination, ideas, or technical skills of the maker, to be appreciated for their beauty or emotional strength.
Wikipedia source
- BITCOINS
Bitcoin is a decentralized digital currency that can be bought, sold and exchanged directly, without intermediaries such as banks.
meaning and understanding are also different,
bitcoin is not art, bitcoin is digital money.
Bitcoin could be compared to a collective performance work "that express the imagination, ideas, or technical skills of the maker" and of the decentralized collective. Only rules that apply for art are those self contained by a particular art piece. Just as the only rules that apply for Bitcoin are those within Bitcoin's code. |
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Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer electronic currency, just like Satoshi said. When people start calling it something else, like "a swarm of digital hornets", "digital gold", "art", "revolution" and so on, it suggests that it isn't doing well as currency, because otherwise people wouldn't need to create new narratives of what Bitcoin is.
When a small percentage of people use strange and unrelated definitions to describe Bitcoin, it shows their mentality not what Bitcoin really is or how it's performing. For example from early days there has been some people who call bitcoin a "Ponzi scheme" but that is not a comment on Bitcoin but on their understanding of Bitcoin (or rather lack of understanding). Bitcoin is performing very well against every other asset on a monthly chart. Bitcoin is a digital currency. Bitcoin is a store of value. Bitcoin is the world's most secure transactional network. Bitcoin is public infrastructure. Bitcoin is at the core of the new and deflationary economic system. Bitcoin is code, and Bitcoin is artArt is not a strange unrelated definition, but the broadest.
It's up to you to present bitcoin in any way possible based on your background, bitcoin is still bitcoin. The way you use it is art, the way you store PK in various forms of media is art, and the way scammers steal people's bitcoins is also art. But the only real and logical explanation is that it was created by an artist.
Satoshi isn't an artist. You don't have one single argument to prove your assumption. Review Bitcoin's original logo design. Graphic design is art.
Bitcoin can be considered a form of art. The process of understanding it, as you described, is subjective and can be seen as a journey of self-discovery and self-reflection. As with any art, the beauty of Bitcoin can be appreciated more deeply as one understands it better. The decentralized nature of Bitcoin allows for a more inclusive and democratic form of artistic expression, with the potential to inspire critical thinking and questioning of societal norms.
Additionally, the way that Bitcoin has been able to evolve and adapt to address various challenges, such as economic crises and climate change, can be seen as a form of artistic creativity and innovation. The anonymous creator(s) of Bitcoin, often referred to as Satoshi Nakamoto, can be seen as an artist who has left a powerful and lasting mark on the world through their creation. Overall, the idea that Bitcoin is a form of art is an interesting and thought-provoking one.
Thank you. You understand Bitcoin. But there's no single evidence pointing on the direction of a group of people behind the pseudonym. [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged] |
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Bitcoin can be art if you want it to be, it can also be a currency, or an asset, or a ticket to freedom or another explanation you make of it. Your Bitcoin is yours to define and yours to use.
I prefer holding bitcoins and spending the only when necessary, many would argue that that's bad practice and you should use it as a currency wherever it's accepted for a product you need. We both have different definitions of it based on our locations and needs.
The only way you shouldn't use Bitcoin is installing a third party, which it was created to eliminate.
There is nothing more private and personal than your own aesthetic experience. |
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Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer electronic currency, just like Satoshi said. When people start calling it something else, like "a swarm of digital hornets", "digital gold", "art", "revolution" and so on, it suggests that it isn't doing well as currency, because otherwise people wouldn't need to create new narratives of what Bitcoin is. As for art, wikipedia defines it as: Art is a diverse range of human activity, and resulting product, that involves creative or imaginative talent expressive of technical proficiency, beauty, emotional power, or conceptual ideas. And Bitcoin is neither of those things, it's simply a tool for storing and transferring value online. Bitcoin is a peer to peer electronic cash system that works perfectly as a currency. No Narratives needed for it to be a currency nor an art piece. Although this definition runs short as what art is: "creative or imaginative talent expressive of technical proficiency, beauty, emotional power, or conceptual ideas." Bitcoin is a minimalist code which is speech. A Creative speech. a technically proficient code. A beautiful code for a currency. A code So powerfully filled with conceptual ideas, that evokes all sort of emotions. Bitcoin is Art because some perceive it just as a digital currency. Some others as a store of value. Bitcoin is art because those who are against it because of their own fears, subjectively perceive it as a ponzi, and when their paranoia exceeds rationality, they even feel Bitcoin as a weapon. This is why Bitcoin is art. |
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