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1  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Poll] Should the minimum wage be raised? on: October 05, 2014, 02:19:40 AM
Do you think the government should force employers at the point of a gun to pay a wage that the federal government comes up with and spur the robot and automation industry to replace jobs or send jobs overseas?
Simply put, no, in my belief no one has a right to force you via coercion to do something, but I feel people should vote with their money more wisely, if you're on the West Coast find a local WinCo and shop there, at least your money stays local instead of going into some (Wall St.) shareholder's pocket. If you're on the East Coast well crowdsource something similar to WinCo.
2  Other / Politics & Society / Re: USA Ranks #32 in World Taxing Policy Index on: September 17, 2014, 04:14:52 AM
Here is the comparison between Russia and the United States:

Income tax: 13% in Russia & 39.6% in the United States
Corporate tax: 15.5% to 20% in Russia & 38% in the United States
Dividend tax: 9% in Russia & 28.6% in the US (State + Federal)
Short term capital gains tax: 13% in Russia & 39.6% in the United States
Long term capital gains tax: 0% in Russia & 20% in the United States

The socialist left has been trying to do everything they can to depress the United States into some stagnant and declining 2nd rate country for years now. NAFTA started the bon voyage of middle class jobs elsewhere and these tax rates are finishing off the rest of the productivity. Will Americans start to see/get the big picture here and make a move or just let the titanic go down?

All you have to do is look at California, which is hemorrhaging its middle class, but California doesn't care sadly. The only thing California cares about is more silicon valley startups...
3  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's the future of the marijuana industry? on: September 17, 2014, 04:03:08 AM
In case Marijuana becomes legal within the next 10 years, most of the drug cartels around the world will lose their main source of income.  Grin

Also, the national parks within the United States will no longer be cut down to plant hemp by the Mexican drug cartels. Also, the state and federal governments will benefit a lot, in terms of tax money.

If they legalized Marijuana and Cocaine, the cartels would be out of business.

Legalize cocaine? Yeah , I just want to see the country where this will become legal.
Pure curiosity , would you want to live there?
Ah but you see they have!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cocaine
They haven't gotten worse since they legalized them, Czech Republic is pretty nice Wink
4  Other / Politics & Society / Re: $250K-a-day for NSA PRISM refusal - Yahoo on: September 17, 2014, 03:56:14 AM
Better idea, boycott the american government by taking a low wage job and receiving welfare benefits thus draining national capital reserves, starve off the beast.
5  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Dawkins: Immoral Not To Abort Down’s Syndrome Child on: September 17, 2014, 03:53:14 AM
I'll say having children period is immoral, your bringing them into a world where they will feel pain, where their labor will be taxed away at every turn. Better not to have children at all, gives more wealth to the people already living.
6  Other / Politics & Society / Re: US claims it has rightful access to data stored on servers anywhere in the world on: September 05, 2014, 03:10:13 AM
It's simple to get around this. Have a server setup akin to Protonmail, server has a password to login you into your encrypted account, this password is stored on server, but once signed into your account you have to decrypt it with a password which the server doesn't store neither does the company. Which means if you forget/lose your password you have to open a new account but on the otherhand if your in the US you can plead the 5th if they are coming after it.
7  Other / Politics & Society / Re: SPAIN ORDERS CUSTODY FOR PARENTS OF ILL UK BOY on: September 01, 2014, 05:38:08 PM
Initially going by the headlines you'd think it was another one of those wackjob religious parents who put their son's life in "god's hands" but instead they did it to pursue the newest and most advanced treatment available for their kid.
I think the biggest lesson learned here is the problem with the state actively interfering in the medical field. But the job of the state in socialized medicine is to keep costs down by any means allocated... and unfortunately it seems like they were trying here by forcefully providing recently antiquated cancer treatment.
8  Economy / Economics / Re: Why we give respect to Rich and no-respect to poor? on: August 31, 2014, 07:29:09 AM
hi actually i m not a newbie but newbie in forum Smiley

people love rich and give all respect to them if rich wants they give them ther A** without any reason but the reason behind will be money..

the community only love rick why not poor ,,, poor deserve`s more respect ... poor have much more peace in them expect rich ...

if rich wants help everyone help them if poor wants no one help expect few people


please give me some predictions Smiley
Simple, the poor create a financial burden on the collective that all of us front the cost of, the rich although they themselves can be a burden are where we extract most of our tax revenue from.

Even in countries with Welfare states being poor(for extended periods of time) isn't really thought of highly, especially since they give so much support and tool for people to climb up the social/economic ladder.

But I have great respect for the poor immigrants that come and work hard and contribute to society.

Pretty much. Unfortunately it never dawns on most to consider why from generation to generation, the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich. Hard work? My ass. Private property allowed for rent, profit, usury. The rest is history.

And to be clear, the people I've known who would be considered "rich" by relative standards, have always been the laziest I've ever come across -- the type who couldn't be bothered to lift a finger for themselves.
Are these rich you speak of Old Money? If so, that's understandable. But if it's Nouveau Riche, then I'm curious as to where you live.
9  Other / Politics & Society / Re: California Passes First-Ever Bill to Define Sexual Consent on College Campuses on: August 31, 2014, 04:00:26 AM
So much for "government doesn't have a place in our bedrooms"...
10  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Burger King Dares Obama To Stop It From Fleeing to Canada on: August 30, 2014, 01:11:46 AM
No more whoppers for me.

Corporate citizens who flee this country should be ashamed of themselves.  And they get the benefits of being "citizens" from the Supreme Court.  At the very least, these "citizens" should not enjoy the rights of citizenship under Citizens United.

They make it  because of America and then they flip America the bird.  Now THIS is where shame should make its return, if anywhere.
Well corporations and people are voting with their feet, citizenship renunciations are up, and countries and people are pissed at FATCA which is a tool of US financial imperialism. Are you going to penalize them for that? And I'll politely argue that the "they make it because of America" is something that will fade in coming years, as countries build middle classes the monopsony America has on finished goods will fade, and it will be for the better of free market, the world, and America.

11  Economy / Economics / Re: How do no fee exchanges make money on: August 24, 2014, 02:19:15 AM
Maybe the exchange converts a certain portion of Bitcoin into Fiat, this way they can use it for investment purposes... heck, Coinapult's LOCKS system is based on a similar concept.

But the only way we can know is to start a run on the exchange, but who'd want to do that?
12  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Undocumented immigrants are civil, NOT CRIMINAL matters on: August 24, 2014, 02:05:26 AM
In this country, you're innocent until proven guilty fella. I've been accused of being several people since joining. Those accusations have been checked, and dispelled.

You need to become a free thinker, and stop following the ramblings of your fellow lunatics on here.
You've never shown any interest in actually discussing a subject in any detail.

If it makes you feel better I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. You're either a troll or incredibly insecure about the strength of your "convictions".
Actually I'm brilliant. I just find it a waste of my keystrokes trying to debate any subject with entrenched Liberals. You call that trolling. I call that genius.
Which Liberals are we talking about? Market Liberals, Social Liberals, Classical Liberals, or Neoliberals? BTW most people on this forum are at least 2 of those. Or are we talking about Social Democrats?
13  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Wired: How to Save the Net: Don’t Give In to Big ISPs on: August 21, 2014, 06:18:33 AM
Well, we the users of the internet ought to create an ISP cooperative to lower costs for consumers, pay better wages for employees, and cut out wall street(insulate ourselves from market forces). Such competition would force traditional ISPs to be more competitive and consumer friendly... and then the race to the bottom dollar will initiate. Grin
14  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem. on: August 21, 2014, 06:11:36 AM
I saw a video of some dude in China slashing random people with two meat cleavers.

Since they couldn't shoot him two guys had to run in and tackle him while he was distracted.

Insanity.

"It is morally superior to be butchered alive than successfully defend against that butcher with your firearm, in violation of criminal safety laws."
Sadly this is the truth  Cry

The funny thing is the proliferation of firearms is only going to increase in the coming years, thanks to the individualization of the means of production in the form of 3D Printers, CNC Mills, and Sintering Machines. Technology is on the side of the individual, technology only seeks to create a leverage effect to the labor of the individual, in the end true power(monopoly on force) will lay in the hands of individuals, not governments.
15  Economy / Economics / Re: People In Australia Have paid over $150k In Bills With Bitcoin on: August 21, 2014, 12:29:39 AM
Australian government are citizens oriented. Bitcoin for school fees soon.
Really? The only western nation without a bill of rights..., but I like their approach to bitcoin.
16  Other / Politics & Society / Re: American journalist James Foley reportedly beheaded by ISIS on: August 20, 2014, 05:28:05 AM
Remember, this is what true democracy looks like...
17  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Consequences of high minimum wages: Automated ordering kiosks on: August 20, 2014, 05:26:05 AM
What should be noted is if/when advanced A.I. are developed that surpass humans intellect, that will be the day the Earth stands still(for people). Even if each AI costs $1,000,000 a piece, they would automatically kick even the most intelligent out of their jobs such as doctors, engineers, as you don't have to pay an AI as it has no need for food, water, shelter, just power.
18  Other / Politics & Society / Re: California's Economic Collision Course: Immigration and Water on: August 20, 2014, 04:58:25 AM
Funny thing about this is that is that there have been talks to export Columbia River water from Washington and Oregon to California, by all accounts the Northwest should charge out the nose for it.
19  Economy / Economics / Re: Anybody looking for an Offshore Bank account? on: August 19, 2014, 06:36:47 AM
Is there anybody in these forums who is finding it difficult to setup an Offshore bank account for their Bitcoin related business?
or looking for a payment processing solution to accept online payments like Credit cards, ACH, check21 etc
May I ask the reason you want an offshore bank account? If you provide the reasons why I think I could assist you possibly.
20  Economy / Economics / Re: Solution to poverty - Socialism or Capitalism? on: August 19, 2014, 06:23:57 AM

At a restaurant you trade money against a good meal. Wealth just got created.
You valued your money less than the meal, and the cook valued the meal less than the money. The sum of the difference of valuation is wealth.


Not all trade is equal.  Most of the time there is a power relationship where the strong exploits the weak.

An example is sweatshops.  People who need jobs are willing to allow themselves to be exploited because they need money.  This was common in 19th/ early 20th century before existence of labor unions

how is a sweatshop exploiting anyone if they agree to work there out of their own free will, without the sweatshop they would be worse off.

Do you believe its ethical to exploit desperate people? Free will is just a red herring
They are not as desperate as you think. These people can try to get better work or collectively bargen for better wages or work environment.

My question was simple...is it ethical to exploit desperate people.  Even if these people voluntrarly amd free willungly accets the sweathop jobs.  Yes or no?
I wouldn't call it exploitation as they receive capital and jobs that could have been given to a person in the 1st world. But if that's what you call exploitation then sure, that's how the world works, you need a job to obtain wealth. Look at the Japanese, Koreans, and currently the Chinese, they once were "sweatshops" but the foreign capital that was spent on wages and infrastructure has risen salary and living standards for them. So exploitation? No, that would be like calling going to school "exploitation", going to school even if you hate it makes your chances of obtaining more income later in life higher.

But on regards to the original post, I really believe that the unholy hybrid of both Capitalism and Socialism in the form of Cooperatives will solve poverty issues.

So you deny that exploitation exist because you have an example where end justifies the mean  Roll Eyes
Exploitation in capitalism exists, it exists in socialism too(Via Cuban-Venezuelan Doctors for Oil trade).  But in capitalism it starts to subside when workers have sufficient capital amassed (from foreign investment) to Unionize and bargain for better conditions, etc. Remember you can't have unions without having jobs to unionize. Cheesy

The only way to solve this mess is redistribution of wealth, it doesnt take being a rocket scientist.
Well how do we redistribute wealth then? Progressive Taxes? Violent Revolution?
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